Motor Trend says Infiniti G37 beats the BMW 335. Does their opinion REALLY matter?

Since we are discussing it (2nd thread already!) then YES it matters!

— SVXXX (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 12:13:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

For me

******************* N O ***********************

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 12:18:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

formula1 - Funny thing is that the majority of BMW owners are the same nonenthusiast that you're talking about.

— r_driver04 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 4:38:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

BMW's are such Yuppie cars. Every car in that class, is a great car, you cannot go wrong with any of them. BMW's rely just as much on marketing as Lexus does.

BTW, Motor Trend's opinion does matter, because if it didn't, the BMW would never been the king of anything.

— no1listensanyway (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 5:28:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Hey bulldogz Pick me up 1 (or 2) why don't you. I'll pay you an extra grand for the work.

— maikoazu (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 2:11:44 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Maybe they don't need close minded readers like you!

— SVXXX (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 12:47:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

let's just see how this translates into SALES.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 1:08:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Hey the whores are screaming bloody murder b/c MT picked a jap car over BMW. Agent001's comment about MT said it all.

— BMWsuk (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 3:37:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

This is ridiculous

— r_driver04 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 4:41:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

7.1 million people who dont know how to drive.

— candywhite (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 7:18:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

engineering and performance-wise? NO

price-wise? YES

and I personally don't care, I would take 335 over G any given day.

— MrGunFun (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 12:50:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

To us in Europe it doesn't matter one bit... We don't have Infiniti's anyway! At least we don't in the UK

— matt635 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 12:52:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Who cares about stupid silly automatics? My god If I were to buy a sportscar like that I would DEFINITELY get a proper manual to squeeze every single horsepower out of those engines! And to be honest, the VQ V6 never really worked well with automatics.

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 6:36:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

The chassis good, in fact it's very good. But it is definitely not 'better' than the BMW.

Mind your Xerokool, this is without the M-sport package or Sport Automatic. (that last one will be available to Europeans in 2008)

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 9:57:16 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Obviously it does.

The average person has much more exposure to car magazines then car websites.

Plus, now Infiniti has some nice quotes to provide their marketing department with.

I really can't believe all the BMW guys are getting so pissed about this. If you are so in love with the 3, what does anyone's opinion matter to you?

The whole BMW vs. Mercedes vs. Lexus is just as stupid and pointless as the Xbox vs. Wii vs. Playstation 3 debates.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 1:01:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I want to see a manual vs. manual comparison instead of this automatic girly crap.

— kdawg (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 1:03:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

what matters are the purchase decisions of the people buying these cars.

over 120.000 3-series sold every year in the US alone. G sales will definitely increase with this model, but won't come close to 3-series.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 1:05:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Agent 001 you are right, in a sense the only opinion that matters is the one that belongs to the paying customer. However there is one more thing at play here. Let us look at two different comparisons that were recently held by Motor Trend. First the one that is doubted by many BMW lovers. Motor Trend came up with the conclusion that there is very small difference between the performance of these two machines and that by being the cheaper of the two the G is the better choice for the consumer. What does this do, exactly? Well it may do nothing since people who want to buy a BMW will want buy one. It may, however, now attract people who were considering to get rid of their BMW or people who want to drive something like a BMW but not a BMW. You see a BMW fan can put down the IS, A4, C-class because it is superior in performance, but it cannot do the same to the G because they are very similar. What this comparison provides is a dignified alternative to the BMW 3 series, once again. Again I want to say is that in this comparison neither car won, but that is the thing they comparison was a draw but the G cost $8000 less.

Now the second comparison, Veracruz vs RX 350. The RX 350 is the better car and has a luxury nameplate which will get better resale values when it is finally traded or leased. Yet this one hurts a lot to the Lexus, yes people who want a Lexus and can afford a Lexus will get a Lexus, but this comparison provides the buyer with less money to spend with an alternative. A lot of buyers will buy the Hyundai because it is cheaper, and the magazine readers will start to view Hyundai in a different light. Magazine readers are enthusiasts and it is a pretty good chance that they are not going to be considering a Hyundai unless they really have to. Now they may start to see them as a company that can produce good cars and not just cheap ones. This comparison also builds the companies reputation.

In the end it is all about putting the car in people's mind as an alternative to what people want. Yes the guys at Motor Trend and Car and Driver may not have as much influence as years ago, but they still have many readers.

— kart1 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 1:11:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

bimmermike - Dude your subscription is only for another 20 years to those "ignorant mass" magazines. Relax.

— r_driver04 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 4:51:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Bimmermike you make me sad to own BMW's.
By the way if you really want a sports coupe buy/lease a Cayman S or 911 cs. Neither car (3or G) is a true sports car.
Money always matters to U.S. mags most of the people their can't afford a new Honda let alone most of what the test.

Take it for what it is the BMW is the better car on and off track and you pay more for it, stereotypes , bad service and all . The G is a great car and is the closest to a BMW. I respect the G but it still has along way to go.

— adoptgreyhounds (View Profile)

Posted on 6/29/2007 10:35:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Every Media ie newspapers, Newsprograms, internet, magazines we read DOES have effect on our judgment whether you are an bias clowns or not. The truth is when bMW who was known to be the leader of performance sedan category and suddenly gets dirt kicked in the face in so many comparos done by car enthusiasts..Yeah it matters. BMW makes great high performance engines, I do know that. However, when during a comparo test..the engine overheats and blows up and the test driver runs out screaming for mama..then you have problem with facts of occurance during the testing. NOT OPINION. Eitherway, every review in ever media on every subjects does have a great impact on the society.

— Homer008 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 2:01:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The 3-serie's has no history compared to the skyline, the skyline is in its 12th generation and has been in production sins 1957.

And for the people that dont know, the G37 is the JDM 12th generation skyline coupe.

— STJ88 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 2:07:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

it does matter because most mags and testers were/are BMW whores. Who the f*ck care if BMW cars have better handling? Normal/average buyers buy BMW because of the BMW badge aka the bragging right

But testers always screamed handling and all that jazz because they were/are whores.

Will buyers buy the Nissan GTR even if it is better than Porsche? Of courss, it is all about the badge.

— BMWsuk (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 2:30:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Nobody's opinion REALLY matters, but they are experienced reviewers. If you are to base your decision off of another person's experience, you would want to go with someone like them. But it all boils down to which car you like the best.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 2:39:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

I dont think it really matters which one the reviews say is better. I think what matters is that they are both very good cars and both would be a good choice. When i am shopping i would compare the competition reviews and if they are all good the test drive would decide. No magazine is going to decide where i spend my money.

— BMW_DRVR (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 2:47:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Hwany, yes it matter only to buddy because I guess you own one of Veracruz;) Don't even compare the quality of Hyundai to the like of Lexus yet. Maybe in the future but not now.

The last time I remember reading J.D Power Associate, even Hyundai better quality than some German brand. So it was not a surprise that Infiniti G37 win the comparison.

When you compare the beauty of the Infiniti G37 to BMW 335i, it like comparing the G37 to a Hyudai Accent or Kia sonata or something like that.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 2:53:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

G37 reminds me of an Altima Coupe. The G37 also screams NISSAN!! Which isn't a good trait IMO.

I think that the 335 is a better looking car on the outside, but I like the g37's interior better than the 335's interior.

Given a choice between the two, I’ll take the car that’s faster, better handling, lighter, more fuel efficient, and has better weight distribution. So it’s the 335i for me. But at $8k less than the 335, the G37 is worth a look. But you’ll get what you pay for and spending less money doesn’t equate to getting the better product.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 3:38:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Oh and about the price... does infiniti have free mantainance like BMW? If no then the price is very similar.... which also makes BMW the winner again.

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 3:49:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

I don't care which car you buy(if you can even do so). The question is, when we roll up to a light, can you drive it like it was meant to be drivin? Can you show me why you paid more w/o me haven't to slow down for you or wait for your ass at the next light?
Chances are there's not one person here who could, when givin the keys to either car, show me why I should spend more/less money on a Spinning Propeller or the car that comes with chopsticks. It's a preference. But make sure you don't get rocked at the next light.

— r_driver04 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 4:45:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

It's sad Lexus can't share this coupe market. I think Infiniti G is more of a competitor to BMW than Lexucks (sorry can't spell whatever the name is).

— MrGunFun (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 4:51:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

So true.

Take formula1diot for example. He's too busy posting garbage here while his klan master is wondering why the hell is he always late for klan meetings.

— flozel1 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 7:52:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Does Motor Trend opinion REALLY matter? In my opinion comparison test are more for bragging rights. A smart consumer will do their homework and purchase the car that fits there needs and budget. This may not be the tread for this but it's a shame that the 335i lost because of the over-heating issue. Because it appears it had won in every other category. The G37 is no slouch it's indeed a great car for the money. But at the end of the day when BMW factors in their free maintenance program the cost for the G37 and 335i are about the same. For me what makes the 335i a really great car is when chipped it will produce upwards of 400hp/385ft-lbs torque for about $1,300. So, no these comparison test does not matter to me.

— BM3W (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 5:12:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

not that im discrediting the G37 (because I like that car about as much as I like the 335i COUPE (sedan is butt fugly), but Motortrend always awards the "newest styled" vehicle the winner. ALWAYS. Every time a car is redesigned it wins COTY regardless. Ford F150 (how big of a piece of crap was that vehicle...u barely even see that on the road), new Chevy, new everything. New design wins. Basically, the Motortrend of the year award can be won by anyone so long as you redesign your car.

— WickedRabbit (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 6:29:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

when the A5 from Audi comes out they'll say that's the winner. Just watch.

— WickedRabbit (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 6:29:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Why, because an M3 is 15K more.

— BM3W (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 6:29:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

So much for "Ultimate Driving Machine", got outhandled by a 200lbs heavier & ~$10k cheaper G37.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 6:41:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

If BMW would have won, I think a lot of immature "german" car fans would have celebrated and rubbed it in the face of Japanese Car fans.

But my opinion is that it doesnt matter which way the verdict goes. Its one magazine and it means nothing.

BMW is still great, Infiniti has built a good car, and each will still sell.

BMW will still sell 90k+ per MONTH, so it doesnt matter.

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 7:06:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Bulldogz - I agree that most BMW owner have no idea what "Ultimate Drving Machine" really means - but I must dispute about the M3 - in NY they are all over the place.
As far as the article people - be willing to take the good with the bad. If a magazine votes down a car you like then don't point it out when they do it to one of their competitors. Keep it even.

— truecarlover (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 9:09:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

deboost me if you want, but this will become, no wait, already another bitchfight like the similar articles posted. do you really want magazines to decide whats best for you? well thts what theyre here for but then again, it is your decision.

— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 10:16:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I think to a couple people, for the most part people buy both cars b/c they are luxury brands. People buy Infiniti for value, people buy BMW b/c they think its the better car.

I just don't see this test swaying many people, especially since the 3 outperformed the G37.

The price difference is huge but everyone already knows that.

— titsmagee (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 11:05:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

This article is nothing short of crap, eaten up by uninformed morons.
Nissan builds Cheap mass produced cars to get you from A to B, they occasionally add leather and wood and call them Infiniti.
Get out of the habit of comparing BMW with cheap mass built cars like Nissan and Lexus, there is no comparison.

— xj13 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 11:42:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Didn't they say this before when the G35 came out? Hmm...don't see many of those on road though.

— Auto_expert (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 1:24:37 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

It gets your attention especially if they’re testing the car you’re interested in.

But, it’s not even close to being the main factor in my buying decision.

In the end it’s just one publication’s opinion out of hundreds of other possible sources….whether print, TV or Internet, agree with it or not…..file it away or soak it up.

For me at least Motor Trend's credibility is severely downgraded. They sensationalized the cover, and made it appear as if Infiniti scored a “decisive” victory on the 335i. That’s just laughable.

— weaponX (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 9:33:23 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Since I own both an Infiniti and a BMW. I wouldn't doubt it. I love both of my cars. My Infiniti's older but it runs like a champ and has plenty of power. As for 335 vs G37..from what I know from owning the two of them...I'd really take both...I do like to look at resale value though..the Bimmer would be better. I don't normally keep cars forever, but my 99 Q45t is a keeper...how long will I keep my 645ci? I'll give it another year.

— snatchandgrab (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 11:42:19 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The people on this site are like little kids. Why do you take it so personally. I don't care if you like my cars or not. I like all of my cars..hell, I own an Infiniti, Bmw, Mercedes and a Chrysler (shoot me). You folks need to grow up. Stop bitching everytime someone says something negative about your favorite car. Waa waa waa!!

— snatchandgrab (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 11:47:08 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

All american car mags are garbage.
cuz nobody knows how to drive in north america.
seriously.
you can tell by the simple fact that everybody here drives automatics, upon a few years ago no car in europe even had automatic.
MT & CD & WR are all nonsense mags seriously.
they are all tools and biased by whoever gives them money.
I wouldnt buy a car because an american mag said its good, thats for sure.

— candywhite (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 7:18:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

big picture says that for any product, reviews sway the opinions of those interested in buying. if you dont take MT seriously, then you shouldnt really take anything on autospies seriously. of course, autospies wishes they had a paper publication with a big following.

as for this particular article, the fact that these rabid bmw fans are crying fowl shows how effective bmw marketing is to some people. yuppies? posers? actual track fans? yes yes and no. consider this, people who drive porsches dont really sneer at bmw owners, especially since we all know porsches are better than any bmw in every respect. bmw fans just trying to prove something....not sure what it is though...

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 7:27:08 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

This thread amazes me. All of a sudden all the BMW lovers have come out in full force to protect their precious 3 series car. I am a Nissan lover through and through so take this for what it is worth. Nissan has come back from the brink of extinction to build a car that competes and beats the best from BMW. The Bimmer folks can't stand the thought that their precious 30 year old tradition. Well, it happened. The G35 and G37 beat the 3 series at it's own game and did it after only <10 years of development. Deal with it, the G is a very comparable car to the 3 series and in some cases it is better. Face the fact that BMW is no longer king and that they will have to stop charging a premium for a car that is just as good as cars from Lexus and Infiniti. All you people buying BMW's just remember, your spending up to $8000 for that badge.

— montyz81 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/29/2007 8:57:02 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

No sane person with a sizeable bank account would EVER buy an Infiniti over anything!

That beign said, they are fine cars and I am happy to see the competition.

— supermoto (View Profile)

Posted on 6/29/2007 2:12:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Lexus is Rubbish, full stop

— xj13 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/30/2007 12:59:30 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0