Next Generation BMW 5 Series to get the twin-turbo V8 engine (400HP)

wow. that will be a beastly car.

— sholemon (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 11:21:05 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

BMW M3

4.0l NA V8... 414hp. But the torque is weak, and its high revving.

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:05:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

The M3's V8 hasn't got weak torque figures, it's only a 4 litre, what would you excpect.

— Heyhuub (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:54:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

I know but its relatively weak for a luxury sedan (5 series).

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 2:06:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

A TT V8 for their non M edition 5 series. I wonder why they went this direction. That will be one hell of an expensive engine to make enmasse. Of course I assume this is to replace the 550i not the lesser engined 5 series.

My thought is that those savings will not be passed onto the customer. So we should all get ready to see a non M class 5 series cost as much as a 7 series.

Also...why are they doing this right after the CAFE standards in the US have been raised. And engine like this would probably get only 19mpg highway and penalize BMW greatly.

Not that I wouldn't buy one at the drop of a hat.

— Spectator (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 12:02:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

390, not 400..

— fuzion (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 12:27:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

But a question on this none the less.. The M5 V10 makes 500hp; the M3 V8 makes 414..

Why not just stick the M3 engine into it; why bother developing another engine w/ TTs ?? Unless they're going to drop the displacement and attempt to boost the mileage out of it..

— fuzion (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 12:30:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

why don't they put the M3 V8 into the non-M 5-Series? Seriously? Maybe because one is an M and the other isn't? BMW doesn't put M engines into non-M cars.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 12:40:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Pardon me sir, but that's just a little f!@#ing retarded.

If it's the same horsepower [roughly] what the hell does it matter which cars get that engine? Why spend the money on the R&D to make a 400HP TT V8 when they have a 414HP NA V8...

— fuzion (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:02:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -10   

Because the M3's engine is high revving, meaning its not going to be as comfortable to use daily as a 4.4l tt V8. It's specially designed to be sporty. Oh btw they already developed the engine and it's in the X6.

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:07:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8   

fuzion- The M-V8 doesn't have alot of torque its a high revving performance engine.Its engine characteristics wouldn't match the driving characteristics of a luxury car such as a five or seven series where torque is more important. A tt-V8 isn't as peaky and has loads of torque (450 vs 295 in the M).

— mclaren428 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:15:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7   

M53R & Mclaren - thank you for the responses; you actually provided useful information that would explain their decisions rather than clicking the red down arrow like 95% of the idiots that use this site.

I swear most of the people on this site are idiots.. "OMG! WHAT? WHY USE AN M ENGINE IN A 5 SERIES? BECAUSE NO.. BECAUSE NO ITS AN M ENGINE AND THAT CANNOT HAPPEN.. I MUST CLICK THE DOWN BOOST BUTTONZ NOWOMGLOLAWLAW"

To the people that actually know things - thank you - the rest - go sit on a stop sign.

— fuzion (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:54:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

Since protecting the image and value of the "M" nameplate apparently isn't a good enough reason for you to not stick M engines into non-M cars (even though I'm sure it is for BMW, just as it is for MB and AMG), the M3 4.0L V8 was more expensive to develop and is more expensive to produce than the twin turbo 4.4L V8, which is based on an engine they've had since 2001 and stopped using in 2006. Is that better for you?

So there's that, PLUS you don't put M engines into non-M cars. If BMW won't build an X5 M or an M7 because they don't fit the philosophy of "M", even though they could make huge money doing so (as MB does with the ML AMG and S AMG's and Audi does with the S8), then they're not going to stick M engines into non-M cars. The 5-Series HAS an M model, they're not going to put the M3 engine into one and create the "M5 Lite". They'll have their regular complement of 5-Series models, including the V8 TT, and an M5 (which by then will be more powerful than it is now and may even have twin turbos itself). Keep in mind the 550i has to go toe to toe with the E550, and the high strung 4.0L M3 engine would give the car a character totally out of sync with buyers who would cross shop the torquey 5.5L E550 with the BMW. The twin turbo V8 however would match up quite nicely, and allow BMW to simply retune the car any time a competitor came out with something more powerful.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 9:29:33 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

If the BMW owner decides to race the redneck and loses (which isn't guaranteed) the BMW owner would be a bit embarassed. But then he would go home and forget all about it. Kick his feet up, drink some wine, go out and have a prime cut steak, etc. Then he'd go out the next day and buy an M, AMG, RS, Porsche, etc.

I could elaborate on what the redneck would do but that would be mean.

— vman1013 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 10:16:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Rednecks love BMW! Its their primary buyer demographic, who else would be seen in such an ugly vehicle? But it suuure go em dam fast ere boy!

What a stupid brand

— MadibaP (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 6:26:48 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Remember the good old days when BMW fans used to taunt us MB fans by saying "BMW doesnt need FI like MB to make power"? Oh how the world changes on us.

I actually really like all the turbo cars I've driven, including the Audi 2.0T and BMW 335. I'm glad BMW is taking this rout to make its power. It seems MB has been laying off the FI en lieu of larger displacement like they were so famous for those many years ago. It's a whole new world out there isnt it?

I'm anxious to see this motor in a 5 series. Should be fun!

— Threepoint1415926 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:36:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8   

With direct injection, TT's and some other tricks the TT V8 will get better mileage, lower emissions and more ass kicking horsepower. Like I have said I am not a fan of BMW's but I really appreciate their engine tech. Maybe Ford should buy their engines from BMW.

— NItePhire (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:38:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7   

Guess I am the only one here who likes high rev NA.
BMW better not throw a turbo into their M cars, I don't want to limit my opion to Honda/nissan.

— ghosthunter (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 1:58:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

And it will be Found On Road Dead.

— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 2:35:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Your Google abilities amaze me oh mighty person of the internet.

Rather than acting like a douche.. twice now.. but, rather than acting like a douche, you could have said what the others said above - just state what reasons they would have to NOT do it.. saying because it's an M engine makes you look like a complete jackass.

I welcome your response, princess.

— fuzion (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 2:56:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Wow.. sooo many things wrong there

First, we're typing [not speaking] to each other.

Second, I think you mean "is not", instead of "aint".

Third, it's the sharpest tool in the shed - not the brightest. The brightest version of that saying is "not the brightest bulb in the chandelier".

..But in words you might understand:
Yes, I is the brightest tool in the shed.

ggiwin

— fuzion (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 6:57:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Fusion

Generally no intelligence is needed to buy a BMW, the average purchaser simply looks at the badge and hand over their lottery winnings.

Also you must understand that most people who live in a trailer won't have a shed. So there will be a lack of understanding of the saying amongst most potential BMW owners, since they have no reference from which to draw the necessary pictures in the mind, in order to put the correct words together.

So have patients my brother and be kind.

— MadibaP (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 7:47:32 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Have "patients?"

After writing a post about how dumb BMW owners are?

You must be joking.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 9:41:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Even animals deserve kindness, so why not patients for BMW fans? Have a heart fella!

— MadibaP (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 10:02:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Madiba learn how to spell patience.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 11:56:54 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Since not enough information in the article was given as to the why there is a need for BMW to offer a TT V8 in a non-M 5 series vehicle when a NA V8 is already available to be modified, I have to say that I agree that there really isn't a need. A TT V8 in an M car, yes please.

But more importantly, THIS ISN'T WORTH ARGUING OVER RIGHT NOW!

— Bored (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 6:54:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

TT V8 is the same engine used in the X6 50i. It is no surprise that they would use it in the next generation 5 series.

— FitzLA (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 7:32:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Wow. That would be an awesome car.

— bmwfan1513 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 9:11:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Are you Blind? I am MB fan but is very easy to understand why smart engineers as BMW people will use V8 Twin turbo. less weight and more torque and is very likely that the turbos will have variable geometry to provide better boost at low rpm. But I can´t think how the BMW engines are so heavy even if they are small. As an example M3 V8 is 3 Kg heavier that the 6.2 AMG http://www.worldcarfans.com/9071221.015/mercedes-c-63-amg-test-drive . BMW also needs more experience with turbos, hopefuly they will create a good engine becase with this move they recognize that the torque on M3 is just for ladies and if you put that engine in an M5 with current standars, it will be a pig. Is very likely the 4.0 v8 with turbos will have a torque near to the 6.2 Engine, but very likely will be heavier but it won´t have to scream to push the car as M3 does and tha´s a good thing if you buy a car that should have Sport Power/Driving with Limousine quite engine.

— Yonder7 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/21/2008 11:03:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I love it! ;-)

— EI34 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 12:23:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

BMW might just become my "main brand" if they continue to innovate while Audi is stuck in neutral.

Audio says they're not putting DSG in the A4 or Q5 because the new six-speed ZF auto is "good enough." Meanwhile, BMW just got DSG into the M3 and it's going to spread to the rest of the lineup very quickly.

BMW even has a more advanced AWD system in the X6, which I assume most of their vehicles will gain. The only thing that I don't love about our X5 is the iDrive.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 9:32:43 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Well but we are talking about engines. I did not check the size of the V8TT for the M5, but for sure BMW is trying losse weight as always which is good for us. However, high revving is no all in that segment. People that buy a M5 is looking for sport maners, but beside that they are lookig for sofistication (a quiet car that can be a beast or a beauty, whatever is needed) and again, low torque as the M3 will be too weak for an M5 and thats final. M3 engine is not enough good even for the M3. Put the 6.2 AMG on your bimmer and it will be 3 kg lighter and 0-60 will be like 3.3-3.5 and every time that you need power you won´t need to step to floor as in the current M3. Hey, you have to accept that: M3 engine is too weak for current levels. V8 4.4 TT could save the day.

— Yonder7 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 10:06:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

"Now, we hope that the new 5 Series will have an interior design that will give us something fresh, different."

I agree, looking forward to a classy yet edgy look - although we may not see that until the CS design becomes production.

— corelink (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 10:30:07 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Well is easy to see tha you are and BMW fan, and I respect that. But I disagree with you in some points: firs you need torque for a Berline as the M5 not for high speed but for low end of RPM, why becase most of you time you will be on the trafic, unless you work far away from home and you need to use highways daily. Second M3 engine is so weak that they won´t use it on M5 for that reason. And M3 engine is a engineering art but to say that the AMG is just a big engine with a lot of torque is to despise the fact that is lighter than the M3 engine (even if it is bigger), tha means high tech materials, not just high RPMs. And forgiveme if this bothers you, but M3 is great but with AMG engine it could be unbeatable. And in the same way that I have my choices, there is a lot of people that is looking for M5 due they feel that M3 is to small and uncomfortable for the family (if you don´t have, get the M3). Finaly I love cars what I say about Mercedes is just a fact. In the same way I can be honest and tell you that I love M3 for it´s maners and the wonderful music comming from the engine. Regarding Interiors. I know most of people love Audi , thats Ok , but for me M5 and M3 have well executed interiors because I prefer functionality over Form. Just get rid of the IDRIVE.

— Yonder7 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 3:50:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Keep it coming BMW. This engine will be in the new 5, X6 (you guys know this), top-of-the-range X5, and should make it in the 6 Series as well. And the up coming 9 Series (CS Concept).

The engine is to be slotted below the M cars as they have moved up in power. They know there is a hole in power between the standard cars and M.

— 1BadMan (View Profile)

Posted on 4/22/2008 6:08:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The next vehicle after the X6 5.0 to get the new TT V8, will be the new 7 Series.

— DJsE60 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/29/2008 1:49:53 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1