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Obama's Tire Tariff Backfires As China Considers High Tarriff On US Automobiles

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President Barack Obama's decision to impose heavy tariffs on Chinese-made tires may prompt China to retaliate against U.

S. auto and poultry exports.

China took its case to the World Trade Organization Monday, after Obama ordered additional U.S. tariffs on Chinese tires for three years, including 35 percent in the first year. The increases come on top of the current 4 percent tariff.

Besides challenging the tire tariffs before the WTO, the Chinese government said it would investigate on its own to determine whether the United States is improperly selling auto parts and poultry in China at unfairly low prices and with unfair government subsidies -- a process that could trigger Chinese tariffs on these products.

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why is every little thing about Obama on here? is this site run by the lunatic crazies that watch faux news all day long?

China already has all our manufacturing jobs and we import all of their crap. They should thank us. Without us they'd still be in the dark ages.
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 4:36:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

DinamoR -

You should try watching Fox News instead of MSNBC, CNN, Air America, HLN, Huffington Post, Michael Moore, George Soros and Moveon.org.

Obama, what a goof!
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:11:37 PM | | Votes: -16

EL34 does watch Faux (FOX) news. That's why he thinks Obama is a terrosit shi'ite muslim from Afghanistan born Iraq. Get your facts straight there EL34, you're living in the dark ages with Communist China, the one's whose tires you seem to support that come in last place in almost every comparison test. You pay for quality, and the chinese tires are cheap, just like your remarks on the president and everything else you post here. Go watch more FOX news so Rush Limbaugh can preach about how Bush was america's savior and Label Obama the antichrist some more.
— freshseth83 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:15:58 PM | | Votes: 6

They should thank us? We should thank them for buying all our debt and keeping this sinking ship going for a little longer. Looks like you need a lesson in global economics (like Obama does).
— SpicyMikey (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:37:27 PM | | Votes: 0

"China already has all our manufacturing jobs and we import all of their crap. They should thank us. Without us they'd still be in the dark ages."

A history lesson would be very enlightening to some people here on Autospies.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:44:19 PM | | Votes: 2

Because certain people (009) cannot handle a president of Mixed Race.
— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 6:49:08 PM | | Votes: 8

I'm mixed and I think Obama is a joke. What is the point? Can't have an opinion is you are other than black? That defeat the purpose of a free democracy doesn't it? On this point, I'm behind Obama 100%, but not on all things.
— inspirion7 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 9:37:58 PM | | Votes: -3

LOL the faux noise propaganda would make Stalin jelous on how they manage to manipulate dumb ignorant people and rile them up just to keep a few A-holes in power who only care about robbing the country blind.

where were you idiots when repubs gave tax cuts to the rich and lied us into a trillion dollar war? Nice way to pay for a war: with tax cuts.

IDIOTS

We inherit the biggest economic disaster since the great depression (which was cause by another republican anti-government doofus btw) and we inherit the biggest deficits in history from the retarded Bush administration you drooled over for 8 years, and now it's our fault?

the crap my dog took on the lawn this morning has more credibility than faux news, rush limbaugh and the whole crazy fanatical GOP base put together
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 9:54:11 PM | | Votes: 4

Whenever these racists get accuse of being a racist, they always use the same tactics by claiming they're mixed or have black friends. Scum bags.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:21:48 AM | | Votes: -1

I say let's heavy tax everything from CHINA to correct the deficit, and watch US middle class sink, so I can afford a reasonably priced house.

So far even a Porsche is more reasonably priced than a CA house.
— dlin (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 1:37:03 AM | | Votes: 1

Things is:

1. Only Chinese is buying American car, out of the reason they don't like Jap, not quality issue.
2. Car is certainly way more valuable and higher profit margin than tires.

That's why there's no point of tariff on stupid tires! Do we want to be tire factory for the whole world? Not a good idea!
— dlin (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 1:47:39 AM | | Votes: 0

"1. Only Chinese is buying American car, out of the reason they don't like Jap, not quality issue."

WRONG!!! they buy American cars becuase they build them, themselves in China! Its American owned yes, but chinese built.
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 5:27:22 AM | | Votes: -1

— DinamoR

What the matter little crybaby. You don't like it when Obama is exposed for what he really is! And thanks for admitting that Fox News is the only media outlet with the balls to actually report the news. It is disgusting how all the other media outlets bow and blindly worship that LIAR!

— Enforcement (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:31:49 AM | | Votes: 1

Lexsux- That comment was out of line. I could care less about race, if you even look back I have been even more critical of Bush. The problem is the simple fact that EVERYTHING is interrelated, you can't impose a questionable sanction without expecting retaliation on the other side.
— Agent009 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 8:18:31 AM | | Votes: 4

Why is anyone even bother responding to EL34?

After one sentence, it's clear he's utterly delusional. He's probably posting in between games of Uno at his mental hospital. Just wait for the warden to revoke his internet privileges.
— henbmw (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 1:17:31 PM | | Votes: 4

Who cares!! Good job Barack. If I want a high quality Asian product, I will get it from Japan.
— PerformanceGuy (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 4:38:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10

This ain't even Obama's tariff, but this is autospies, so it is Obamas.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:33:39 AM | | Votes: 0

If it is passed by your administration, then you own it bubba.
— Agent009 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 8:19:54 AM | | Votes: 3

Fixing someone elses problem doesn't mean he owns it. Notice that the Union wanted somewhere over 55% and Obama wouldn't go for it? If he burns the Union by not passing something, they'll burn him back and the GOP will just laugh. If he burns China by listening to the Unions, china will retaliate big time and the GOP may have a chance of winning the presidentcy with Palin/Cheney on the ticket in 2012. Obama ain't dumb, the compramise he made is good for both sides and both know it. China whining to the WTO is just hollow threats to save face similar to how the US says they condemn Israil for over bombing the hell out of palestine and killing tons of innocent bystanders.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 9/17/2009 2:49:21 AM | | Votes: 0

The tariff was never a good idea. American Tire Manufacturers (who's tires aren't built in the USA btw) pressured Obama to tax the chinese bacause thier tires are cheaper. Something about an unfair advantage. The problem with the Obama administration is that they buckle under any pressure.
— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 4:40:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

If Obama had any balls he would tax ALL of China's imported goods sky high.
— theman440 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 4:42:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

Obama is an idiot and he will be a one termer.

To hell with all of Obama's UAW friends.
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 4:43:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -13

One termer? I bet you also said that he wouldn't get elected at all? Or are you one of those folks who believe that ACORN won the election for Obama? lol!
— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:16:35 PM | | Votes: 4

I don't know if you know this Charlie Brown, but I work in real estate.

We are heading for a major commercial real estate meltdown. I'm not talking about GM closing down dealers either.

Did you here the news today Blockbuster video will soon be closing 900 stores?

There will be many other businesses closing down as well.

Obama will not be re-elected.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 8:37:55 PM | | Votes: -5

EL34, if you worked in real estate and you're in california, you tanked the economy. No wonder you're so anti-Obama, he's going to clean up the loop holes so idiots like you and your bosses won't be able to do shalf the public again. I wish more people foreclosed so banks can get what's coming to them.

BlockBuster is run by greedy idiots too, it deserves to tank. They thought they could hold us hostages with $4-5 rentals, 2 credit card requirements, super high late fees(even when people turn them on time), they getting what they deserve now. RED BOX taking over, it's about time the public got some fairness and no intimidation just to rent a freakin movie.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:19:55 AM | | Votes: 1

True badgewhore.
Obama can't stand private industry and profits being made by individuals. Obama wants to close all those loopholes so only HE gets the profits. GM, now owned by Obama. Obama admitted in an interview his goal is to get rid of all heath care insurance companies and transfer control of all the healthcare industry to HIM.
— Enforcement (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:37:06 AM | | Votes: 5

"True badgewhore.
Obama can't stand private industry and profits being made by individuals. Obama wants to close all those loopholes so only HE gets the profits. GM, now owned by Obama. Obama admitted in an interview his goal is to get rid of all heath care insurance companies and transfer control of all the healthcare industry to HIM."

Yes Obama wants to make money from GM to line his own pockets and yes he wants to get rid of insurance companies and personally take over Health care. ALso Enforcement wants to take all health care away from our Troops and give it to poor in Russia. Enforcement also wants to have all schools teach the Koran and send all children to do work 30 hours per week after the age of 5........

This making stuff up is so fun. I can see why you do it Enforcement.
— 800over (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:32:44 PM | | Votes: 1

Obama is the smartest president USA has had in 50 years. He just needs to stop with this bipartisan crap and keep conceding to the lunatic right wingers. Let them ride their crazy train into the sunset.

I'll be voting for him again in 2012, no doubt:-)
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:10:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

You're right, Obama is really smart.

He just said Kanye West is a jackass.

Let's face it, Obama is good at running a pep rally, but he's not very good at being President.

His main job is to defend the nation and not run commie healthcare program down our throat.

Hey Obama, get them illegal aliens out my country or else the unemployed won't vote for you next time!

Get'em out NOW!!!
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:15:08 PM | | Votes: -7

"Hey Obama, get them illegal aliens out my country or else the unemployed won't vote for you next time!"

I wonder what the first Americans would say about a comment like that (i.e. Native Americans).
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:47:13 PM | | Votes: 3

He will get re-elected without any problems. The Patheticans are dead.
— PerformanceGuy (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:58:38 PM | | Votes: 1

DiamondR If you think Obamas the smartest President, that dosent say much about you. This guys ratings have dropped faster than a prom dress. Keep up the great work Obama, these are really great times.
— bfghemicuda (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 6:16:45 PM | | Votes: -2

"Obama is the smartest president USA has had in 50 years."

The president with the highest I.Q. of the past 50 years (indeed the highest of any who have actually taken an I.Q. test or one with which I.Q. is highly correlated) was:

Richard Nixon with an I.Q. of 143. Technically on the Stanford-Binet scale he was a genius.

... and he was still a fool- if that gives you any indication of the majority of the rest of them.

Obama is not stupid, but he really isn't all that intelligent either.
— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 6:23:34 PM | | Votes: -1

43LE,

The native Americans were not from this land. They crossed borders and moved in. They had as much rights to the land as Europeans did.

Please.....please
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 8:39:59 PM | | Votes: -11

+100
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 9:57:59 PM | | Votes: -3

LMAO I swear these republican morons like EL are the dumbest people on planet earth. My 5 year old nephew is smarter.

Commie health care system?

LMAO
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 9:58:05 PM | | Votes: 4

Wow there are some weird right wing "lunatic fringe" comments from EL34. While everybody has a right to their political beliefs, I do believe that paying attention to facts not just "fox facts" is imperative before criticizing the President. -izfuney

Bro, the Kool-aid is poisoned so you better watch it. Obama did get a jack up economy, true that, but you don't pour gasoline onto a bonfire. Finance 101, can't spend what you don't have. Second, its HIS presidency now. A man is a man and doesn't blame, children do. Adult do what ever it takes to make it right. Play with the big dogs or take your dumb ass home. He can't pretend. He can do this job, But if he can't then he can not continue to say, I tried it but it's all George's fault.

A number of things are going to hit us very soon. Despite Obama making a promise of the unemployment rate not going beyond 9%, inflation is just around the corner. That will stagnant the tiny growth going on right now. Our loan buddy China doesn't want to play with us any more because they feel we can't pay back future loans. We want to not repair but create a completely new healthcare cluster screw and can't even get back the money given to the auto companies by some stupid mistake that was made recently by some oversight. Besides, where will the TRILLIONS of dollars come from to finance the biggest public screwing of the American public in history? And last, banks are still going under along with businesses that aren't coming back. Who is going to pay the IRS all the money needed to run the U.S. with massive job losses. 1/3 of this countries revenue is gone. Period. So, please get a reality check and stop playing pretending like all is okie dokie.
— inspirion7 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:02:54 PM | | Votes: 5

an IQ test? that's how you messure the intellect of a president?

— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:08:56 PM | | Votes: -1

they have alot of passion for issues that they don't even take seriously. all they can come up with is "smaller government". well, we're not a small country, so how the hell will we have a small government? want a small government? move to Antarctica.

it takes a large government to service a large population. government isn't the solution to everything, but it sure is the solution to some of the issues our country is facing right now.

if we had universal healthcare and a stiff gas tax since the mid 90's, this housing crisis would be far less harmful. gm wouldn't have put all their eggs in the suv basket.

what we have come up against is a failure in several of our under regulated systems: housing, health care, and energy. oh yeah, and we decided to invest trillions in a sandbox in the mideast.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:18:34 PM | | Votes: -4

Finance 101 says that you don't cut spending during an economic disaster. Herbert Hoover and the republicans did that back in 1929: the result was 25% unemployment, people living in cardboard boxes and eating garbage.

but keep drinking your kool-aid. You're right though, it is poisoned.
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:58:05 PM | | Votes: 0

There's a big difference between the native indians and the europeans EL34, the indians blended with the land, the euro came to kill, steal and destroyed. But of course you knew that...
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:27:57 AM | | Votes: 2

Your comment below about commie health care, lest hope he doesn't use Canada as a template, emanate success, Denmark is no1# your health care sucks, I have heard many horror stories about people with coverage in USA, the health insurance are working 24-7 to feed you propaganda, you have to see that unless you work for one of those companies, and I would never buy tires from China!
— truckman (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 3:56:09 AM | | Votes: 0

DimonR, have you ever watched Obama attempt a speech without a teleprompter. He can't string three words together with out uttering. ummmmmm ahhhhhhhh
— Enforcement (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:38:54 AM | | Votes: 1

EL34 said,

"The native Americans were not from this land. They crossed borders and moved in. They had as much rights to the land as Europeans did.

Please.....please"

Today's Europeans were not originally from Europe either. They migrated from Africa, so then by your twisted logic, they have as much rights to being in Europe and any other immigrant. By your logic, the only people that have rights to any land are Africans in Africa, since the first modern humans were in Africa and people migrated to all other parts of the world.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 9:21:32 AM | | Votes: 0

"an IQ test? that's how you messure the intellect of a president?"

An I.Q. (Intelligence Quotient) test is a good general indication of intelligence in a qualitative sense. A few I.Q. points is essentially minutia, however if you compare almost any politician (or almost anyone for that matter) to someone like Marilyn Vos Savant or Christopher Langan, then there is no comparison.

If you don't believe me on the Nixon I.Q. number you don't have to take my word for it you can look it up. The truth is a far more interesting thing than someone's preconceptions. Obama is smart and educated and fairly erudite, but for me to use the word "intelligent" you have to be quite a bit more than just smart- you have to be a genius. Obama is far from being one.

As far as your analysis (if that is what you can call it) of Hoover: I would recommend that you get your economics from economists and not civics professors. Hoover was hardly a free-marketer and ran budget deficits that were about 4% of GDP.

I don't know if you are familiar with this but the Keynesian (I would like to point out that Keynes wasn't a Kenynesian in the end BTW) idea of government deficits is fundamentally an argument derived from the desire for full employment. Hoover did run deficits, but the unemployment of which you speak was the result of something else Hoover supported: wage freezes. Which I would hope you recognize as problematic when economies start to collapse. The following article is about scholarly research that appeared in the Journal of Economic Theory:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-08/uoc--hps081909.php

I would hope that the above comment about "Republicans" does not include me. I am not a Republican, and I do not agree with them on a fair number of things (gay marriage for example), just like I don't agree with the Democrats on a fair number of things.
— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 9:45:49 AM | | Votes: 4

"the indians blended with the land..."

That is a cute thing to think, but there is a fair amount of evidence that is really just isn't true. The Native Americans learned to manipulate the land, particularly south of the equator. This change in human perceptions of nature was the impetus for the agricultural revolution. It wasn't limited to the south, many North American tribes actually intentionally set fire to the landscape.
— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 9:55:22 AM | | Votes: 3

Before Europeans arrived in North America, people could drink water directly from all of the rivers. I challenge anyone to do that today.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 10:34:38 AM | | Votes: 2

"all of the rivers..."

ALL the rivers? Surely you don't really mean that. Of course you can drink from them, although I am not sure you would want to. There is such a thing as natural contamination with things such as arsenic, radon etc.
— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:03:04 AM | | Votes: -1

_43le, are you telling us that when Europeans set foot on USA soil, our rivers and streams became polluted?
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:38:26 AM | | Votes: 2

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0802_040802_yukon.html

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/06/24/water_ceremonies/

http://books.google.ca/books?id=qyqrhEqSAkkC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=native+americans+clean+rivers&source=bl&ots=NYC5H0rQGe&sig=3k3UogEfdZ0S5yX6ADdy6dhtWW4&hl=en&ei=-y6xSt-ZOsGw8QbxqcSKDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=native%20americans%20clean%20rivers&f=false

— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:40:21 PM | | Votes: 1

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LOL, you googled and found three links using native Americans and pollution.

All three of those articles are about pollution due to population growth, mining, etc.
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:49:09 PM | | Votes: 2

Yes, uncontrolled industrial growth, without forethought.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:57:22 PM | | Votes: 2

Let me guess, you personally don't produce any sewage, you grow all your own food without the use of pesticides or fertilizers. You ride a horse and live in a tent on a reservation!

But wait, you need electricity and a computer to bitch about industrialization on a website.

Odd! Seems like a double standard!

— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 3:26:45 PM | | Votes: 2

To hell with all of EL34's comments, he'll get deboosted always
— freshseth83 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:12:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

To hell with the UAW and when they get laid off they can get a job at Wal-Mart if they want to feed their families.
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 5:16:07 PM | | Votes: -7

Hey el34 i AM WORKING and you are on here demonstrating why no one will buy a house from you or hire you!
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 5:33:58 AM | | Votes: -2

I'm selling plenty of houses.
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:16:15 AM | | Votes: 0

I bet i sell more than you this month!
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 6:22:37 PM | | Votes: -2

To clarify, Obama has many many campaign promises he made to the unions. This is just another of many to come where Obama will appease the Unions. One was handing over control and ownership of GM to the UAW. This act was to appease the Steel Workers union.

Sadly, this tax only on imported tires from China will only piss off China as all the other countries that export to the USA will pick up the slack. Steelworkers will still be waiting on jobs returning from China.

— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 6:04:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

We dodnt need a darn thing from China. The only business staying open are dollar stores and wal-mart. Foreign goods equels lost jobs for America it is that simple.
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:01:33 PM | | Votes: -6

-1UAW, you are presenting a double standard.

Time and time again, you have argued that as long as profits go to the executives in Detroit, you don't care if all the cars are designed in Korea by Daewoo, built in Mexico, and imported.....As long as executives in Detroit keep getting paid, you don't care where products are built.

Why all of a sudden a change in your stance?
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:52:01 PM | | Votes: 2

nice way to try to twist my words.
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 6:19:09 PM | | Votes: -1

Excellent, a trade war is exactly what N.America needs right now, I can only wish though.

Tire tariffs don't amount to much but you have to look at the big picture. Its mostly for show, as you'll notice Obama doesn't have the guts to label China a currency manipulator (Bush didn't because his corporate buddies benefitted from it and he didn't try to hide from this).

Now, if there really were a trade war.
No trade = no money for the Chinese gov't (sure as hell isn't going to the people).
No trade = no profits for CEO's who make 50x the cost of their slave labour goods.
If US companies keep cutting jobs, they'll eventually go bankrupt as there will be no customers. Perfect time for new companies to take their places.
Of the $250 billion deficit that the US has with China, I'm sure they could spare a little to prop up the big 2.5 during this game of chicken. People need to eat, they don't need to have a car. The US always has too much food, the same can't be said about China.
The US also controls atleast 2/3 of the world's oil, China doesn't so the US can really put the screws on China in a trade war. The US Navy also controls the sea lanes. Oil prices will go up, people will hurt, but unlike the US, China subsidizes their oil prices and doesn't rely on providing cheap jobs to tame domestic strife. How long do you figure $1.6 trillion will last if they have to subsidize oil at $200/barrel and approx 100 million jobs?
Lastly, unlike the US, China doesn't have any wealthy friends. Japan will always be there to pick up the slack if China dumped the greenback. What's Iran going to do to help China? Give away free natural gas and destroy their economy even further? Hugo going to invade the US or try to ship oil to China? Me thinks neither because there happens to be an ocean an ocean in the way.

SpiceyMikey,
China has no choice but to buy American debt if they want their export economy to thrive. No debt = no customers. They also can't make good on dropping the greenback. If the US dollar tanks, so does the US economy, so does the Chinese economy, so does the Communist party.

Sadly though, China will call upon their honourary citizens the Waltons to force Obama to blink first. Its too bad Americans are generally stupid to this fact.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 6:43:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

Well Bugger me Sideways.

I had no idea you could be so articulate.
— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 7:21:51 PM | | Votes: 0

China should have focused on high quality jobs that create real domestic consumption, not low-end jobs that provide little.

Although, China's ace in the hole is that American youth idolizes stupidity. A few more generations of crack-heads kids talking about busting caps in one another's asses (and always expecting everything for nothign) will pretty much make N.America a nation of retards except for the 5% or so who weren't raised in broken homes (the ones who actually know who their daddy is).
Case in point, President Jesus. Recovery is on the way (even faster than my 18 month prediction) so he pretty blew burned money for nothing.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 8:01:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

why would china want to focus on higher quality jobs? america is generally willing to export only lower quality jobs.
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 9:41:46 PM | | Votes: -3

Wow there are some weird right wing "lunatic fringe" comments from EL34. While everybody has a right to their political beliefs, I do believe that paying attention to facts not just "fox facts" is imperative before criticizing the President.
Obama has done an absolutely stand up job in the past 8 months giving the mess he inherited from W .
In the case of the Tire standoff, Obama has made a correct move to ensure that the market is given space and protection to absorb the reality of a large scale import of Chinese Tires. China itself does that for a range of products that its deems as affecting crucial industries. Look no further then their attempt to brow beat Rio Tinto and the Australian Govt into locking in an extra 30% discount for Iron Ore.
While China is an important partner in the Global economy for the US, they are still a command economy that is primarily setup to ensure the survival of the Communist Party . This dichotomy is what needs to be negotiated carefully by the US and EU.
Their moves in Asia be it Aksai Chin, repression in Tibet and Xinjiang or strategic threats towards Taiwan are but a harbringer to their ambitions at Empire. Yet this has to be balanced with the view that China is also changing rapidly and the growing market is already by some accounts out of control of state planners .
The optimistic view is that rising incomes and education levels will result in a China that is far less adventurous and far more ingrained in the global fabric to seek to distort it.
— izfuney (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 8:19:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

people like EL are f***ed in the head. A bag of carrots is smarter.

one of them just was president for 8 years. explains why we're in this mess
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:00:46 PM | | Votes: 1

DinamoR,, I find you to be dumber than a bag of rocks. You are like the spoiled kid in the checkout like of the grocery store pitching a fit because your mommy want GIVE you that candy bar.
— Enforcement (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:44:49 AM | | Votes: 2

Do you realy want to put China against the wall? Demmand from them Freedom for their employees and better salaries...then you can talk....Any asian company can do better than the americans cause they labor pay for they employees is not far, in fact is against the human rights, If I were American I would trade only with democratic countries.
— Yonder7 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 8:24:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

where the hell would you get oil or any raw metals?

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 9:33:13 PM | | Votes: -1

+10
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 9:57:25 PM | | Votes: -1

Do you wanna know what Obama is good at?

He's good at reading speeches during pep rallies.
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 8:41:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6

I really think people like you don't have a brain. I'm not kidding.

you will destroy this country if we let you. you already almost did during the past 8 years.
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 9:58:43 PM | | Votes: 1

DinamoR, you are the polar opposite of EL34 an extreme liberal. You are just as dangerous. Why don't you and EL get together and work things out, you know like Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr.
— inspirion7 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:09:16 PM | | Votes: 3

i'm not a liberal. I don't support any specific ideology. I think we should take a little of everything- some right some left, some socialist some capitalist policies. it's the only system that works, and it's what Obama is offering.

People like EL are mentally unstable.
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:20:57 PM | | Votes: 5

DinamoR -

What do you want to bet interest rates in less than 2 years to buy a home will be 12% and the same for a car?

With the way Obama has spent money in the past 8 months and printed money the US dollar won't be worth anything.

We can thank China for helping us out.

Again tell me what did Bush have to do with what people like Bernie Madoff did? And when a person buying a home with stated income what did Bush have to do with it when that person lied on their Loan application about their income?

You see, you don't know what you're talking about.

BTW, when is Obama going to end the police actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, Pakistan and Somilia?
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:58:53 PM | | Votes: -2

LOL you can thank Bush, faux news and yourself for the dollar not being worth much.

My dog has a bigger brain than you.

I loved voting for Obama in 2008 and I will love doing it again in 2012

:-)
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:03:16 AM | | Votes: 1

Bush had nothing to do with anything. He was only president for 8 years, and his policies have nothing to do with what happened to USA.

Yet somehow Obama has screwed it all up in 8 months (Damn! And everything was so awesome!)

LMAO keep drinking the kool aid you braindead drone
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:07:16 AM | | Votes: 6

Poindexter -

You just remember the Aston Martins are off limits to you.

You have to follow Al Gore and drive the 4 cylinder to save the planet from global warming.

If you're not gettin' 25mpg then your not doin' enough.

Sat hello to Kanye and Serena for me and I'm sure they're going to be out campaigning for your boy.
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 1:20:21 AM | | Votes: -3

people like you make Kanye and Serena look normal. Nice desperate attempt at an insult though:-)

Aston Martin? They'll make an electric car pretty soon. Watch. Everyone who wants to be in the car business a decade from now will.

GM should have listened to Al Gore not those RETARDS on Faux News who said that because of the Iraq war oil will cost $20 a barrell for the next 20 years.

Maybe, just maybe, they would not have gone bankrupt.

Everyone who listens to the republicans ends up destroying themselves. Including the Patheticans themselves.
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:33:20 AM | | Votes: 1

DinamoR -

Not sure if you heard the news, but so far in Afghanistan in 2009 it's been the deadliest year for US troops so far.

I thought Obama boy was a natural born Army General?

BTW, Just remember when you buy a car you can't get it with leather because PETA would not be happy with you!

Also remember your car shouldn't have tires any larger than 14 inches. It's all about you saving oil and saving the planet.

Have fun being a Lib, and here's a few more station for you to watch. ABC, CBS and CBS.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:21:56 AM | | Votes: 0

009 - I love the way you pick and choose your word to try and steer people's thinking your way. When you say "backfires" people will think that the decision was poorly thought out. Do you honestly think that ANY gov't that prepares to implement a tariff does not expect some sort of reaction from the other country? I think the US gov't, be it a Democrat admin or a Republican admin, was expecting some sort of retaliatory action from China. Just recall Bush's action against Europe.
— nguyenvuminh (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 10:11:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

This website is truly ridiculous with its Politically-motivated stories. Its no longer (and hasn't been in a very long time!) an automotive website... SAD
— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/15/2009 11:15:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

That's the reality. You have the dictator Obama taking over control of GM, that kinda totally ties Politics and the auto industry. Now we have Obama selectively slapping the wrist on only China and only taxing their imported tires, all in an attempt to appease his boss. The unions.
— Enforcement (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:49:07 AM | | Votes: 1

right, I'm not questioning the political story. I'm questioning the website (autospies.com) and why it continues to post political stories.

Look at other sites like worldcarfans, emgtech, etc. They rarely post "political" articles. Its not a political debate, its an automotive debate. Autospies can continue to have debates without the political stories. Thats my point.
— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 1:41:21 PM | | Votes: -1

How did this backfire on Jesus? If you slap a tarriff on something, expect one in return. Western countries are the only ones dim enough to allow one way trade all for the sake of slave labour.

Doesn't making fewer cars means smaller losses? Trade wars might not be so bad.

1995,
India doesn't have problems attracting higher skilled jobs (callcentres, cutrate programmers). Again, Western corporations are the only ones who welcome this to avoid labour and evn't laws.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:13:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

WE dont care about tarrifs from China what do they export that we really need? Only person hurting is wally from wal-mart.
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 5:37:07 AM | | Votes: -2

I know that some Chinese eat dogs, but I don't think cats or rats. Nonetheless, we eat beef, which is completely unacceptable by some Indians, so who are we to judge?
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 9:16:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

Exactly, so then why do you even care about what the Chinese eat? So that you can be judgmental like you usually are? You're just a racist little person that hides behind the anonymity of the internet because you'd be too ashamed to voice your opinion in public.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 10:30:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8

So shempy, you have made a list of animals that Chinese eat. Do Canadians not eat animals?
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:35:26 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

Funny, Shempy assumes that I'm French just because I can speak it. I'm sure that Shempy is from Toronto, a city filled with cold and boring people. That's why he's so bitter.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:29:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

So Shempy, I gather from your eloquent presentation of the facts, that, for instance, Canadians would never eat fish, or chicken because your neighbors might have one as a pet!
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:57:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

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Posted on 9/16/2009 9:03:52 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

DinamoB you moron, if you haven't gotten it by now, I am black and native American. I didn't make that statement for the reason you said. Liberals like you are very dangerous because you think you are doing minorities a favor by ham stringing their independence by keeping them in need. The liberals can't do anything without capitalism because they need the money to do the damage they do. Whenever a person becomes financially independent, their eyes are opened and the need for liberalism vanishes. Most in this country are very giving, the most giving in the world and this is done without being liberal.
— inspirion7 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 9:32:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8

Said but true DinamoB. Also, I wish people would stop using the word "racist" so freely whenever someone opposes the views of someone who HAPPENS to also be a minority. It's cop out and meant to just shut down the conversation and shun the person with the "mark of the beast". Stupid and ignorant. Make a real argument instead of just accusing people of being "racist". I'm white italian american. I'm a blue dog democrat. I was proud as an American when we were able to elect someone of mixed race rather than another WASP. But a lot of people think President Obama is wrong on a lot of things. That doesn't make all them racist.
— SpicyMikey (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:42:58 AM | | Votes: 5

inspirion,

yes, liberals need markets to raise money. but yes, money needs to be invested in infrastructure to create new markets.

just think of how things would work without the internet, interstates, postal service, the federal aviation administration, fda, etc.

strong government and strong markets go mix like chocolate and peanut butter. i think you'll find that most of the nations that the heritage foundation (a very right wing think tank) rate as having a high index of market freedom also have universal health care. each of the top 10 nations except for the united states have universal care.

here's another mind boggler: the heritage foundation ranks denmark as having comparable market freedom to the united states. denmark is also known for having the highest income tax rate in the world: 60%!!! there are ways to maintain strong markets while providing for the people, we just have to look beyond 1950's cold war america.

universal health care and free markets are not mutually exclusive. why does nobody see this FACT? its not a left wing Utopian pipe dream, its a FACT.
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 8:50:23 PM | | Votes: -2

Not to get into the debate of whether Obama is good or bad - people will cast that vote next time around.......

But this tariff by itself is not that big a deal. While I think it is a step in the right direction it is just a shot across their bow - a pinch in the cheek if you will.

If we really wanted to balance the scales, we would be going far beyond tires to every other auto part, every other electronic device we play with, toys, clothes, tools, appliances, building materials,.........virtually every thing we buy at WalMart, Sears, Home Depot, Staples, PetSmart, Best Buy and the like.

Putting a tariff on just the tires is frankly just "boob bait for the bubbas". It really does not accomplish much more than placate the unions, shoring up the administration's battered image a bit in their eyes. It was an inexpensive way to give some political payback to an interest group feeling the pinch, to keep them in line.

Will it mean more tires made in America? No. We will still get most of them from Thailand, Malaysia, Romania, Venezuela, Vietnam, Korea, and the Czech Republic.
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:11:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

Ugh, I mis-typed the whole first sentence in my response above. Should have read; "Sad but true inspiron7"

Someone at Autospies please add editing capabilities to this forum. Us impulse responders could really use it.
— SpicyMikey (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 12:25:45 PM | | Votes: 3

One great thing about a Democracy and free speech. You have every right to speak up...and demonstrate how ignorant, uneducated, and racist you really are...and you can go home and throw darts at the black man hanging in your basement with your kids.

And no one will arrest you...isn't America great.
— Need4Speed (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 1:33:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

And when your side is losing the intellectual debate of content and ideas you can cowardly cry racism to mask the fact.
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 1:41:01 PM | | Votes: 0

what intellectual debate? an intellectual debate doesn't include mention of death panels and pictures of hitler mustaches drawn on obama. the fact is, there is really no debate to be had. all citizens need health care, and only one party is offering a solution.

i guess we could debate whether we want our system to be modeled after italy's or france's. but beyond that, the debate is whether to join every other industrialized nation in providing health care, or to continue to let the lower and middle class deal just deal with it
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:28:51 PM | | Votes: 0

Exactly, 1995e34, the rest of the industrialized world scratches their heads and wonders why it is not universal in the USA.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 2:55:13 PM | | Votes: -2

If you want to live in a country where the government controls most of your life and what's available to you, you are free to move there.

I see no reason to suddenly CHANGE the USA.
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 3:00:22 PM | | Votes: 6

1995e34 the problem is many are giving suggestion about what to do about healthcare but just because someone says jump out the window, the only suggestion, doesn't mean do it. I've seen other suggestions but the Dems refuse to floor them, like they have an agenda and don't want anything but their plan. People are not ignorant today and know they are being handed a crazy scheme.

No one questions the need for healthcare, but when you call people that don't agree with YOUR method to solve it "un-american" or whatever else, something is wrong and we need to call them out. We are willing to change and fix the system, not turn it over to a government that just gave AIG and BofA the ability to give billions of our money in bonuses without calling them out. Dude, you are smarter than that. If you can question the last administrations intentions, why not this one.

Don't let the color of this President stop you from solid reasoning. I've always want a black President, but not at the expense that it overlooks the values of its people. Something it terribly wrong and many are seeing it in the polls. We should have check this guy out before this, now its too late.
— inspirion7 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 3:55:47 PM | | Votes: 6

invisible,

the usa has been changing for centuries. we've been progressing. in 50 years, folks will view the current state of health care like we view slavery and child labor; "how could people allow that?!" i don't think it means the government is running my life by offering health care to everyone.

and as i have stated before, you are also free to move to a nation that is free from progression. i'm sure nobody would stop you from moving to the Congo.

inspirion,

i could care less about the presidents skin color. its nice to have a change in ethnicity, but i liked kucinich better in the first place (scrawny, ugly, white guy).

the dems are so headstrong because they see great healthcare systems operating all around them. and while they have various methods of funding them, they have a few things thing in common: the federal government is paying around 75% of costs (as opposed to our current 50%), cost per patient is about half of american costs, and 100% of citizens are covered. copy and paste. problem solved.

why try and get cute when the rest of the developed world has done the trials for us? we have hundreds of successful templates to copy.
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 4:53:22 PM | | Votes: -3

"why try and get cute when the rest of the developed world has done the trials for us? we have hundreds of successful templates to copy."

And virtually ALL OF THEM have proven to us that they dont work, cost more then they ever thought, and it becomes the dominant political issue for those nations. Then there is the rationing and the problems. You put government in control of your health care, they are in control of YOU. I am shocked that liberals dont see that considering they are so geeked about government intrusion of the Patriot Act. Give them the reigns of your health and well being, your conversations and emails getting looked at by Dick Cheney will be like wallpaper in the nursery.
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 6:31:21 PM | | Votes: 2

which systems have proven to be failures. i know some countries are allowing for SOME privatization, but i don't know of any that are looking to remodel their system with ours as the template.

rationing is ALREADY happening. only its health insurance executives doing so to maintain obscene profits.
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:33:36 PM | | Votes: -3

the government controls public schools, roads, military, has their hands in all sorts of industries already. i don't view myself as being controlled by the government, but simply as living in an organized society. why would big brother all of the sudden run my life if it provided health insurance?

the government provides major funding for medical research, why do you not claim that the government is controlling you when a loved one receives cancer treatment?
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:40:34 PM | | Votes: -3

Currently, states still have control of a lot of items. Roads and infrastructures, schools....but Obama and crowd will try and wrangle total control of those too. Take for instance my comment about moving to another country if they offer what you want. The same is true for states. California is taxing corporations out of existance, California is bankrupt. So companies are moving to states with more favorable taxes and willing and flexible local governments. Checks and balances.
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 8:24:02 PM | | Votes: 3

in my statement i was not discriminating between state and federal government.
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 8:27:49 PM | | Votes: -3

I thought the conversation was about tailpipe emissions ;)
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 3:14:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

No wait......it was about tariffs :)
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 3:17:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

This may be the most quintessential example of "thread drift". It's all good. People need to vent sometimes.
— SpicyMikey (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 6:32:11 PM | | Votes: 4

Not sure where Socialist Health Care and the need for the losers in society to get free bread and circus from the producers came from. Seems to be a sore subject with the Oboamaphiles lately.

Oh well. Life is tough. Get used to it, not about to change any day soon.
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 3:19:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2

because the producers need HEALTHY losers to work for them.
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 4:55:17 PM | | Votes: -3

Not if they cant afford to pay them
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 6:26:45 PM | | Votes: 2

who cares about the tariffs, does anyone here buy chinese tires? If you do pity. If you don't what's it matter? Ok, so maybe he might tariff other chinese products. Does anyone buy things that are made from China? Like what? Unless were really retarded the only reason he did this is because of the unfair prices. You can't just expect to come and sell your tires here for super cheap because you made it that way. That's like getting you Nike Air Max's for 25 bucks. They're made in china. Lots of components in each one of our computers are made in china. There's a big difference in being made in china, and being sold by china. That's what the tariff is for. The cheap knock offs that everyone talks about, really aren't so much of a knock off when you think about it. Why? Because the original thing they are copying, came from china.
— freshseth83 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 4:57:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

Actually most brands of tires we have here in the States are made in China. Check yours....

http://www.harriger.com/tire1.htm
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 6:28:03 PM | | Votes: 2

i must say, i'm glad to see as much discourse about politics and contemporary issues on an automotive web site. if only we could get these conversations started amongst the mtv and monday night football crowd (not that i don't watch football. go cowboys.).
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 5:12:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Obama is not Mixed hes a Black man with a White Momma. Its fact that the White Community doesnt accept Black Kids from White parents.

I bet most White Cops in America would love to arrest Obama, they would love to find something on him so that they can arrest him. Or even proceed on a traffic stop on the President, and when they do they will be rough, and when they are rough stomping on his back, they will scream at him "YOUR BLACK ASS GOT DOPE DONT YA, YOUR BLACK ASS GOT DOPE DONT YA, HUH, HUH, HUH, NIG-ER, HUH!!!!"

Then the other officer there is screaming "OFFICER DOWN, OFFICER DOWN!!!!" So they can get more cops to rush over there. Then when the cops come they have Psychotic Smiles Laughing at the President and pointing at him, like he's some Zoo Monkey.

Hey, just being real here. Deboost me, say what you want, but its the truth. It happened to me and it happens to a lot of Black men, and until people stop hiding under the White Liberal veil of "Oh America has changed", or the White Conservative Veil of "Well his Black Ass must have done somethign to deserve it." Then it will continue to keep happening.
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:42:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

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Posted on 9/16/2009 8:19:02 PM | | Votes: 2

What does race have to do with anything?
— SteedPub (View Profile)

Posted on 9/17/2009 2:23:03 PM | | Votes: 3

A Shame that I will be called a Black Racist and a Race Baiter for only telling the truth, what a travesty this country has come to!!!!
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 7:45:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

"this country" You live in Canada if I remember correctly. Are all of you such huge racist?
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 8:19:57 PM | | Votes: 1

Insivible, Im right I deal with the real world everyday. Do you?

Actually I live in the Southern Portion of a Midwestern State thats Culturally Southern becuase of its location. I just hang with Canadians, becuase unlike my fellow countrymen blinded by lies propaganda, and Prima Fascia Partriottism, they can see the truth.

America has changed for some, but for those in the Inner City and Rural White Areas its gotten MUCH MUCH WORSE!!!!! Its just JIM CROW WITH A HUMAN FACE!!!! Kind of like the Period in Hugarian History where they played with the Idea of Communism with a Human face.

The Real Truth:

When an inner city Black Man who didnt grow up like some Kansas White Boy, and living a life of Priviledge better than most Kansas White Boys in the first place (Mamma was a Professor and Grand Mamma was a Bank CEO) becomes President, and actually caters his Presidency towards helping inner city Black and Brown Minorities or other poor peoples, whether they are Red on a Reseravtion, Asian in and cant make it in this nation, or White in West Virginia, Id be happy to say "Hey America is Changing."

- As opposed to the Presidency we have now where he governs like a Conservative who caters to the likes of Haters and Race Baiters like Glenn Beck and Joe Willson, White Suburbanites who gives a rats ass becuase they want to pay lower taxes, becuase they want to keep their confortable standard of living and not face the inevitable pain of wealth redistribution in a Country that is 40.6% Minorities (Counting Hispanic Whites) and not getting any whiter unless there was some mass exodus out of Central Asia or Russia to America. Despite being elected by a substantial mandate by Young Whites and an overwhelming majority of Minorities, this guy still acts as a corporate puppet, in which that was my biggest fears, forget socialism. Socialism is a walk in the park to 8 more years (And yes he will get another term if he doesnt get killed) Milquetoast programs and coporate politically correct politics.
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 10:14:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

He Governs like a Republican, maybe he should change his affiliation in office.
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 10:16:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

I hate saying this but its the truth. I cant believe the guy who controls the worlds most powerful military (Barely) is scared of a bunch of Confederate Flag Rednecks, White Suburban Conservatives, AARP Spokespersons, Conservative Pundits, and a minority of Democrats (Bluedogs) who shouldnt have been Democrats in the first place.

Blue Dog Democrat= Neo Jim Crow Era Dixiecrat.

Obama is really pissing me off with his pro Tea Party poltiical actions. Man are Liberals Puss-es, YOU THINK BUSH GAVE A RATS ASS about what Liberals had to say when we railied, HELL NO!!!!

Why give a damm about people who hate you becuase you are Black, and will make up any reason why they hate you becuase you are Black, to cover up the fact that they hate you BECUASE YOU ARE BLACK!!!!???

TAKE CARE OF YOUR CONSITITUENCIES FIRST, DAMM IT!!!!
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 10:30:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

Obama is a Leo, WHERE'S THE LION AT DAMM IT??!!!!
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 10:33:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

Hyundaismoke,
Sort of like Professor what's his face in Boston? Screaming racism because the police were doing their jobs?

As for health care. The rest of the industrialized world has universal healthcare because they're not saddled with the bill to defend themselves and the rest of the planet like the US is.
Ontario spends approx 42% of its budget on healthcare ($40 billion). About 15% of US expenditures is spent on medicaid (442 billion). Ontario spends 10% of what America does but our population is only 3% of the US'. You really think the US can afford to spend 1.2 trillion on universal healthcare (not health insurance)? They could if you eliminate defense spending by about 50% and jack up taxes, Ontarians pay about 40+% in taxes overall (yeah, healthcare isn't free).
Opposing the Russian, securing oil is accessible to the useless Europeans are two things that prevent the US from seriously providing healthcare to its citizens. Whats funny is that people believe 'health insurance' is the same thing as 'universal healthcare', not even close. Even Hillary said during the primaries that a large % of the 50 million Americans who don't have insurance choose not to buy it, not because they can't afford it.

Hyundaismoke,
Bubba Clinton was more black than Obama ever will be.

As for the Canadians you hang out with who like to brag that they're smarter, they're probably Liberals (just wannabe Eurotrash) who are too good to live in Canada but come back every few months so they don't lose their universal healthcare.

Like I said before the election, Obama is Dubya Bush's 3rd term. It was just cool to vote for Obama. I bet those retard students are surprised that their tuitions didn't magically disappear.

I think what bothers "suburbanites" is watching the slow downward spiral of their country because certain groups disproportionality shit disturb, then yell racism. You catch that video of the 10 on 1 beating of the kid on that bus? Guy was pretty tuff, true gangsta material.
America should have not problems leading the 21st century with badasses like that roaming the country.

shempy is just a product of Western MTV highschools. All talk, no brains.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 10:50:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

Hey HUU76,
Yes I saw that disturbing display of the racially motivated beating on that school bus last night.

Where are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in their outrage over this?
— Invisible (View Profile)

Posted on 9/17/2009 9:12:18 AM | | Votes: 2

About 5 years ago, Ontario added a "health premium" to income tax which knocks between $360-900 off a year on people earning over $20,000.
Not a lot of money but our healtcare hasn't gotten any better. Can Americans live with periodic tax grabs (on top of higher rates) for no return? I doubt it.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 10:56:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

Race:

Humm huu, my Yellow Brother. Think about this for a Sec, lets put this in your shoes. Imagine if a Group of Asian Kids did that to some White Kid.

Now, I feel bad for the White Kid, yes I do, but considering the Asian Kids come from a background of oppression, ignorance, apathy, etc.... Considering the fact that, Hey those Asian Kids have been denied for so long, and then America gets its first Asian President and those kids can see a taste, can see an opening, an opportunity to be heard. Those Asian Kids will lash out. To them its justifiable considiering the way the Police treats young Asian people. To Them they are getting back at the White people.

huu, my point. This Generation of Young American Blacks under 40 are very aggressive and will strike first. We have little tollerance for Whites being slow to change or Racism. We have finally made it, we finally have the attitude where change can make dreams happen. We have made it to the "Jewish Mental Promised land." Never Again, Never Again!!!!

-Even if we have to attack first, Never Again.
-Even if we have to do what it takes to make money and not be stuck in the economic doldrums, Never Again.
-Even if we have to do or say things that will make us seem Racist, hateful, and hurtful to others, Never again.
-Even if we have to force whites to make peace, Never Again.
-Even if we have to lie and join up with nefarious types to get our agenda across, never Again

No more coddiling White People, No more making excuses for their ignorance and apathy to Endemic Problems, No more having to do what it takes to be successful in America even if you sold your soul to Whites, NEVER AGAIN!!!

By the way, most of the Prophets, Cayce, Nostradamus, Bible Code, Native American Prophets, etc.. say that America will have 2 Race wars, one in the 1960s and one at a later date that will be worse than the 1960s, but the ferocity of it can be lessensed the less time the war is put off. Im sorry to say, but I think a very Fierce one is coming, considering America is a Generation and a half removed from the last battle and still have not fought the next one yet!!! Oh, and by the way they Predict that Blacks will win, and not just for Black people but for all minorities; especially Native Americans. Dont fu-king try us, yo!!! God Sent 100 men to destroy an Army of 100,000, its not like he cant do it again.

Healthcare:

Huu, sometimes with healthcare high taxes come with the deal. Just let it be man. If you dont like paying high taxes for healthcare move to America, where you pay ever higher healthcare costs for even worse service man? I used to live in Ontario, I studied up there for a year. I know about your system. Not the best, but it can be a lot worse, just look at your American Brothers.

Did you know what America pays for healthcare is greater than Canada's entire GDP? It Counts for 16% of our GDP. Canada's Entire GDP is only 12% of America's GDP.

Thi
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:34:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

Think about that, huu.
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:37:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

It will spread to Canada as well. Its not like Asians are treated like gods in Canada either. It will be paat of a Global Race movement. Look at France, look at the Race Riots Last week in Birminghan, England. Everything starts in Europe First, then moves to Canada, then America. Its only a matter of time, huu.

Are you game, are you ready to team up with your Native Canadian Brothers up there? Im quite sure American Asians will be smart enough to be on my team.

All of the Race stuff they are just starting to talk about on TV in America now, they've been doing that in up Canada for 10 years now. Soon the Riots are coming, trust me huu. Between the Discriminated Asians in BC, the Discriminated Natives and Blacks in Canadian Housing Projects, the tensions your government farms foament bettwen Black and Hispanic Laborers. (Yes guys, the Mexicans are crossing the Canaidan border in droves too, go to any city on the US/Canadian Border, and there is not a day anymore where you dont see a car full of Mexicans.)

(Yes, guys Canada has Housing Projects, called Social Housing where the predominant dwellers are Native Canadians and an increasing amount of Blacks-Especially in Ontario, Alberta, and Quebec. The Living Conditions are deterioating, almost to American or French standards.- Yes France has some rough ass PJs too, Black and Arab over there.)
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/16/2009 11:55:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

HyundaiSmoke:

You are a loser, thank you for the entertainment. To say that Asians are disadvantaged or taken advantaged of in America is a joke. They arguably the most successful single race in America today. Look at any of the US Census Per Capita income demographic studies and you will see the Asian Population as the highest earners, followed by White, Hispanic, Black. Look at any of the Tier-1 Universities in America, it will be almost impossible to bump into an Asian.

Disadvantaged? Go Spew your $hit somewhere else, any Asian should be embarrassed by your comments.

Oh and your comment about the Police, riiiiighttt because Asians are so profiled and assumed to be criminals, give me a break! The only time I see a cop breaking an Asians balls is if they drive those illegal rice-rockets 95mph down the freeway and good for them.
This isn't France.

P.S. Oh yeah, Asians,as a percentage of the population, are minority populous in the US CJ system, but of course if they were so mis-treated by the police, this would be so.

— kablaam (View Profile)

Posted on 9/17/2009 1:14:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

Kablaam, I wasnt talking about Asians. I was putting Black peoples situation into huu76s shoes. What if the Situation was a group of Asian kids beating up on a White Kid as opposed to Blacks?

How would He Feel I Wonder?

That's my point.
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/17/2009 2:59:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

You said :"Are you game, are you ready to team up with your Native Canadian Brothers up there? Im quite sure American Asians will be smart enough to be on my team."

American Asians are smart enough to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to them in America, which they have and hopefully will continue to do so in the future. There is no reason to dissent because they are NOT being taken advantage of, presumably like you said in Canada and France, but are rewarded for their hard-work and value minded family structure.

That is why America is so great! Now go have fun with your 1/2 @ssed health-care system and idiotic tax rate, we don't want any part of it.
— kablaam (View Profile)

Posted on 9/19/2009 1:08:35 AM | | Votes: 1

Hyundaismoke,
Our GDP is only 12% of yours because our population is only 1/10th. Wow, big shocker. The math works out.

As for your always comparing Asians to African-Americans. We don't lash out, we adjust because we're motivated to do better. Failure isn't an option in the minds of Asians.
If an Asian kid started a bus brawl like that, I say fry'em. My brand of justice knows no colour, just right or wrong.
I think they're just emboldened because they have one of their own in the Office and the race card as insurance.

Rioting is for people with nothing to lose or people to young (read dumb) to know any better.

You know what, I've gotten 2 speeding tickets and both times I was doing 25+ over. Do you think they pulled me over because of my skin colour? There are bad cops out there like there are crooked anything else. I just don't automatically decides its discriminatory when it happens to me. I'm even smart enough to shut up and just take the ticket. My first ticket the cop even had to ask if I understood what he was saying and what the ticket was for because I was so quiet.
As for your "brothers" being profiled, maybe the majority of them should stop dressing, talking and mimick acting like criminals.

shempy,
You must be so pissed that Asians have left you in the dust.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/17/2009 11:08:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2

But why are those few Criminals, huu? Come to the inner cities where I work and grew up in before you make such a blanket Borderline-Racist statement.
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/19/2009 1:53:52 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

OH please. Do you think Church going blacks get pulled over a lot? They most likely dress properly (not in gang colours) and they have better things to do at night than hangout/drivearound outside on their 22s. The only time you hear about black Church goers is when they're an innocent bystander of drive by violence. You probably didn't even know CNN profiled (oops, hope that didn't offend you) one of the black contestants (and his family) in the national spelling bee as a positive mainstream example when they could've picked anybody.

You and foez are way too sensitive, must realize what I say is true. 1UAW is probalby a big hick and he doesn't take it personally when I criticize whites.

For the last time, I'm a bigot, not a racist. I hate people for what they do, not for what they are.
— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/19/2009 12:39:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Umm yeah, Church going Blacks get pulled over. It usually Blacks with beat up cars that get pulled over a lot around here.

That gives some Blacks around here the incentive to go get 22s, Chrome, etc....
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/21/2009 12:44:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

The more your car is beat up the more fines the cop can tack on for: Cracked Windsheild, Broken License plate lights, loud tires, loud exhaust, etc.....
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/21/2009 12:46:15 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

They dont stop them White Boys for wearing no helmets and riding around in those loud ass Harleys, but let my Black ass get a cracked windshield out this bastard. See what will happen.
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/21/2009 12:47:38 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Nor do they stop those White boys with those loud ass pickups either.

FU-C THE POLICE!!!!

Maybe if there was a few white cop hangings around here they might get the Fu-king message not to mess with us Black guys.
— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 9/21/2009 12:50:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

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