001's new GS450 Hybrid deflating ego's of E-Class and 5-Series owners?

The core philosophy at AutoSpies.com from day one has been to tell our audience our true opinions about the manufacturers and their products, no matter how bad or how good.

Because of that attitude we suffered in the beginning trying to get what we needed from them because they knew they could not control us, like they do with the other traditional media outlets.

And TRUST us, they DO.

But because of AutoSpies.com hyper traffic growth and influence over the last year, plus the decline of printed media impact and readership, things are really changing with our relationships with the auto manufacturers and in the business in general.

In other words, your support has been ENORMOUS and we’re appreciative because we know we could not have done this without YOU! Thank you!

A week does not go by anymore when some PR person is calling us asking if we would like a short or long term review car from their stable or to attend a press launch of a car.

That’s good for us and it’s good for you because you can be assured it will help us do an even better job of giving you the inside scoop in the future.

We’re now in the position to CHOOSE the cars we want and pass on the ones we don’t.

So when I decided to make my choice for my daily driver (mid-size premium sedan) I decided to call our contacts at Lexus and request a long term loaner of the new GS450h.

Why did I choose the GS450h over cars like the 5-series, E-class, M-Series or others?

A number of reasons which I will list here for you:

1. It’s the best looking design…sexy, decadent, athletic, modern, youthful and elegant all rolled into one. The 5-series design has never worked for me and the E-Class is very nice (my second choice design-wise) but too taxi-ish looking for my taste and the interior looks too Chrysler-like.

2. The GS450h is so $#%@#$ fast you just can’t believe it! 0-60 is amazing but 30-80 is as good as my old M5. The best description of the feeling is like a silent Carrera S with less drama. An S500 tried to pass me this morning and when I looked in my rear view mirror two seconds later, not only was the guy looking outside his door to see if he was standing still, I could just see in his facial expression that his ego has been crushed and deflated for life. I think he’s still driving around San Diego in a fog wondering what happened.

3. The car looks more expensive than the E and 5. ESPECIALLY on the inside.

4. If I was driving a 550 and I was driving it hard, I would be getting around 14-15MPG. I’m absolutely KILLING this thing (Lexus, you did not hear this) with hard starts, full throttle passes, etc. and I’m still getting 24MPG!!!! If I baby it, I can get 29MPG! With NO compromises. It doesn’t look like a hybrid and it is as fast or faster than the regular gasoline competitors.

5. But living in California, the biggest bonus is being able to blow by everyone in the car pool lane LEGALLY because it’s a hybrid! Trust me, you don’t know how under-rated that feature is!

6. The electronics (Bluetooth, etc.) and sound system blow everything else out of the water.

7. The Lexus dealership experience (I get to enjoy the brand new Newport Lexus facility…more on that in another article soon).

8. I’m doing the right thing for the environment with NO sacrifice on my end.

So there you have it.

But how will it run long term?

I will be driving it as my daily driver, so I will be reporting back to you if I run into any service issues during the next few months.

Things are changing my friends…For the good for me an you.

It’s a great time be a car lover!

001

Bill - 12/16/2006 2:25:02 PM

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Sorry Agent001,

I disagree with you in many points.

1. It’s the best looking design…sexy, decadent, athletic, modern, youthful and elegant all rolled into one. The 5-series design has never worked for me and the E-Class is very nice (my second choice design-wise) but too taxi-ish looking for my taste and the interior looks too Chrysler-like.

Design is subjective. How does the E Class look "taxi-ish"? Sounds like BS to me. Also, comparing the E Class interior to a Chrysler is stupid. The E Class interior, especially now with the refresh, is a high quality interior that blows anything from Chrysler out of the water. Are you perhaps, BIASED now?

3. The car looks more expensive than the E and 5. ESPECIALLY on the inside.

You're insulting the 5er and E Class with your comments about them looking cheap on the outside and inside. Ok, maybe the BMW doesn't have the best interior, but both the BMW and Benz look pretty "premium" on the outside. Also, I've been in both the GS and E Class sedans lately and if you ask me, both interiors are on par with each other in terms of quality. They both look and feel expensive. The Audi A6 cockpit owns them both.

Also, this:

8. I’m doing the right thing for the environment with NO sacrifice on my end.

Creating a hybrid car still damages the environment. The machines that create the materials used to build this engine consume energy and release pollution (as with standard cars as well). Also, what do you think happens to your batteries once your hybrid becomes old? NASA doesn't send them into space, just so you know.

And why did you ban BMW530i / CL550? Most people here liked him and his posts, including me. Sure, he lost his temper easily but he was usually objective with most topics and I caught his sarcasm instantly (and many people didn't). Did you ban him because he drives a nicer car than you? I'm just teasing if you don't catch it.

-Bill

Bill - 12/16/2006 2:25:31 PM

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I disagree with you in many points.

...in... should be "on"...

Bill - 12/16/2006 2:37:20 PM

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Hello Fabian,

Thanks for the support and little information.

Agent001, I just wanted to say your post will be troll material for the Lexus fanboys on this site. "Well done..."

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 3:08:05 PM

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I did not say the 5 loks like a taxi...I said the E looks 'Taxi-ish'. What that means is to conservative and plain vs. the sexiness of the GS or for that matter the CLS. The next E-Class has to have more CLS in it in my opinion. Look a the HVAC control on the E and tell me it does not have dodge intrepid written all over it. That doesn't mean i don't LIKE the E, I do. I just choose the GS over the E because looks are important to me. Sexy and seductive gets me everytime.

001

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 3:10:23 PM

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And when you drive it compared to the others...the speed will blow all your pre-conceived notions away.

001

Bill - 12/16/2006 3:20:09 PM

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Please explain to me how the E Class looks plain compared to the GS? The GS looks like a carbon copy of the E Class in many regards.

Originally, I liked the style of the Lexus GS. But lately, the more I saw of it, the less I liked it. I personally don't find it an exciting or sexy design. The design of the mirrors for instance annoys me for some reason. The E Class is conservative, I agree, but it has a type of European elegance the GS lacks. Both cars looks dynamic to me in their own way.

And why did you ban BMW530i? Especially when posted under his new name of CL550. He took time to respond to people's questions and you deleted his posts and booted him off again. Nicely done.

Sarcasm intended...

S4cabriofoxone - 12/16/2006 5:13:55 PM

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I disagree on many points, also.

It's nice, but the interior only matches the E-Class and isn't up to par with the A6. To say the E-Class's interior looks cheap is laughable- it looked pretty substantial in the E350 4Matic we drove, even after driving an A8 the night before. Obviously she wasn't as impressed with the E-Class as she was with the A8 (different classes), but you get it.

Looks are oh-so-sujbective. I think the GS with the standard rims is among the ugliest cars in this class. It's down there with the nondescript S80 and retro S-Type. I think the wheels on the hybrid make the car- but the body is nothing special. The E-Class with the Sport Package is nothing short of stunning. It looks like a gentleman in a tuxedo, in black, of course.

Acceleration? That doesn't drum up to much. Fast does not = performance. The old RS6 was mind-blowingly fast but it handled like an A8L. No control over the body's reflexes.

Bill, I completely agree! The GS was stunning whent it came out- but it got so old, so fast! The E-Class is timeless.

001, this article is just too subjective.

And yes, WHY DID YOU BAN CL550? His car was beautiful... maybe a little too beautiful? Did you want his car and ended up jealous of him or something? He was a very intelligent guy.

mstangpny07 - 12/16/2006 6:08:45 PM

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Just a note, (NOT AN OPINION) but last year I saw a 2005 BMW 530i taxi in the Barabdos. A real taxi. I'm sure they're all over europe, but this is the only BMW taxi I have ever seen. If I were to drive any taxi, this would be it.

For all of those who say 001 made the wrong choice, well then when YOU are in the market don't buy the GS! Who cares what somebody else bought? As long as he is happy with it and it fits his needs, then why does it matter? (and it was offered at no charge)

AUDBMLEXMRC - 12/16/2006 2:49:09 PM

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I've once tried theGS450h during hours. 2 points which i still remeber clearly are : It was imressively stable in high speed and also the seuritiy feeling inside.
Far of me to be a LEXUS fan nither MB or BMW or AUDI. I'm FERRARI fan. But beleive me this GS is absolutely impressiveat higg speed.

Willis - 12/16/2006 2:56:35 PM

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The GS is an impressive vehicle, but to me, it lacks the credentials to be a class leader. The design is classy, but it lacks the "soft elegance" of the E-Class or the "dynamism" of the Audi A6. I personally don't like the BMW 5-Series styling, but this car and the Infiniti M are the best performance cars in this class from a "driving" perspective. Also, I checked out the Lexus GS for fun, and was surprised at how small and cramped the interior was - front and rear. The transmission tunnel is very wide and takes up precious leg space. The drive compared to the Germans lacks the precision feel and handling. The brakes are weaks (confirmed by many sources). Also, the hybrid version has a small trunk, almost a joke. Seeing as you're probably single, you're not missing anything anyway.

The GS is a good car though. Great value, reliability and comfortable, but not "best in class", sorry.

Agent001, I also agree with Bill and Fabian that your negative comments about the 5-Series and E-Class design (taxi-ish) and interior aspects will help this thread easily turn into a flame war.

Anyways, congratulations on the purchase.

Willis - 12/16/2006 3:15:04 PM

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Excuse me? Me a liar? You Autospies Toyota fanboys are really getting on my nerves with your frankyl stupid excuses for a criticized Toyota product.

My post was honest and down to Earth. You want me to get grumpy on you? Ok, I will. Listen to this. Check the facts. The Lexus GS is small, tight and cramped on the inside. Who are they targeting with this car? Oompa Loompas? Go sit in an E-Class or an A6, then you know what a "spacious interior" is all about. Oh my, did I just insult the Lexus GS? Of course I did, I praised the Germans! Quick, call me something!

This is another thing about you wackos I'll never get. The moment someone praises a German car on Autospies, they're labelled as "German lover / fanboy" and "Japanese hater". Keep it up. And for your information, I like cars from all countries, even Fiji, so cut the trash talk.

This is why Autospies is so terrible. Biased fanboys and their lame excuses and accusations. I usually just scroll through posts on this board and read them to get a laugh out of the stupidity of some of the people here. Guess what? Me just posting here is a waste of time and drags me down to YOUR level. I'm above you, hence, I'm out of here. Don't expect a reply from me to your response.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 1:40:36 AM

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For all those of you who are going to say that Lexus doesn't have heritage, let me say this: Toyota was around before Porsche, and they put Toyota built engines in Lexus. So, Lexus has more heritage than Porsche.

Bill - 12/17/2006 4:29:23 PM

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Mr Lexus IS350,

That is such an idiotic post, seriously. I'm going to tell you the bad news right now: Porsche has more prestige than Toyota. First off, you're full of BS when you claim Toyota has been around longer than Porsche. Toyota was founded in 1933; Porsche in 1931. Do the math. Second, Porsche has built better, more sophisticated engines than Toyota has ever built before Lexus came along. Want more? Porsche has more motorsport and rally success than Toyota. Porsche has been more innovative from an engineering point of view than Toyota. I'll stop here. I don't want to hurt your feelings.

Your bias is incredible. Open your eyes for a change. The world doesn't revolve around Toyota / Lexus.

Willis - 12/17/2006 6:50:45 PM

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SLD and LexusIS350, you guys just got owned. Shut up already.

lexusis350 - 12/18/2006 11:43:40 PM

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Oh, big whoop, two years on Toyota. But FYI, Porsche is in a different class from Toyota. Toyotas aren't meant to have prestige. But Lexus has more prestige than Porsche. Porsche is looked at as a sports car company, not a luxury company. And give me proof that Porsche builds better engines than Toyota. Toyotas are sure as heck more dependable and durable. I know this from fact. My neighbor has a 1991 Porsche and it has spent the last three years in the shop due to engine problems. I'll stop there, I don't want to hurt your feelings by proving you wrong. And, answer me this. What do you have against Toyota Motor Co.? Is it because they are more successful than the German brands or what? You can't say they are over-rated because they aren't. So, why do you hate them? Why must you try to convince all of us that Toyota Motor Co. has so many problems when it is every bit as good as German cars. They're better in fact.

lexusis350 - 12/18/2006 11:47:16 PM

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This was supposed to go to Bill's comment, four places above.

six50i - 12/16/2006 3:10:01 PM

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maybe your going a little too far and saying how great this car..i'd like to see it try to blow me away in my M6?....this car aint even that fast, a 650i can tear it apart..I will never consider Lexus a competitor to BMW and Mercedes, due to the fact that it still is a Luxury Toyota, i'd rather pay for a full luxury car than a half assed car.

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 3:13:18 PM

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The m6 is 100 g's dude (it should be great!)...gs450 65...and I said performance reminded me of the LAST M5(2003) that i owned.

001

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 3:14:21 PM

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Plus the 550 and E550's with the same equipment are at least 5-7k more than the GS450h

001

EL34 - 12/16/2006 3:19:13 PM

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"5. But living in California, the biggest bonus is being able to blow by everyone in the car pool lane LEGALLY because it’s a hybrid! Trust me, you don’t know how under-rated that feature is!"

That's it, I'm buying a GS Hybrid.

WooooooooooooooooHooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

EL34 - 12/16/2006 4:55:02 PM

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If I could drive the GS on the toll roads for free then that would be the final deciding factor.

masamson - 12/20/2006 12:00:10 AM

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You can drive in the carpool lane in this car only if you have a PASSENGER. This car is NOT eligible for the HOV/Caltrans sticker!

EL34 - 12/16/2006 3:30:16 PM

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"7. The Lexus dealership experience (I get to enjoy the brand new Newport Lexus facility…more on that in another article soon)."

Fletcher Jones Motor Cars Mercedes-Benz right near there in Newport Beach is a damn nice dealership ;)

EL34 - 12/16/2006 3:38:20 PM

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lol

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 4:34:41 PM

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I didn't say they were crap boxes. They are all awesome vehicles that are separated by a hairline.

You couldn't go wrong owning any one of them.

I just prefer the GS450h for the reasons I listed.

001

EL34 - 12/16/2006 4:54:06 PM

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SexyLexusDude, if you think all Germans are fat and probally because they make the best beer in the world, then you need to check out the countries that have won the most Olympic medals and you will note Germany are way up there.

Rupert - 12/16/2006 5:31:29 PM

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fat germans?
isn't america the FATTEST NATION ON EARTH?

S4cabriofoxone - 12/16/2006 7:26:22 PM

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No, Greece is.

But I hate him too.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 1:45:45 AM

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Rupert-
It depends on what you mean by fattest nation on earth; because, isn't England the home of the fat-heads (that's means you, Rupert.)

Flight152 - 12/16/2006 3:31:08 PM

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The GS450h is so $#%@#$ fast you just can’t believe it! 0-60 is amazing but 30-80 is as good as my old M5.

The GS is not faster then either the 550i or E550.

8. I’m doing the right thing for the environment with NO sacrifice on my end.

Give me a break, getting 25 mpg is hardly doing "The right thing" for the enviroment.

The Lexus dealership experience

No better then BMW or Mercedes dealerships. Plus, you don't get the free maintnance you get with BMW.

The electronics (Bluetooth, etc.) and sound system blow everything else out of the water.

The Lexus doesn't offer anything you can't get with the competition.

Bill - 12/16/2006 3:40:40 PM

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I think Agent001 got confused with the "initial feel" phenomenon.

When I testdrove the E320 CDI, it felt quicker than the E350: in reality, the E350 is still the faster car.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 1:47:31 AM

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"Give me a break, getting 25 mpg is hardly doing "The right thing" for the enviroment."

It burns cleaner, does it not?

1970toyotamarc - 12/17/2006 2:14:57 AM

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it has mpg unheard of in its class, with a SULEV emissions rating and insane speed. More perfection from Lexus

Lexluther - 12/21/2006 9:40:36 PM

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Flight 152

The Lexus dealership experience

No better then BMW or Mercedes dealerships. Plus, you don't get the free maintnance you get with BMW.

1. BMW doesn't offer free maintnance anymore.
At least in PA.

2. I don't know about your state but, where I live in PA my local BMW and MB dealerships customer service sucks. You have to go inside and get a salesmen for them to come out and talk to you. They make you feel like they are doing you a favor.Verses the Lexus salesmen that almost greet you as you park your car.

Autoegr525 - 12/16/2006 3:49:19 PM

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If I had a free Lexus I'd talk pretty highly of it too. Would I ever buy one? F no. Is it selling well? Of course. Lexus knows how to appeal to certain people. You can't please everyone, you have to commend Lexus for noticing this and taking advantage of it. Nice car, but for 65k give me a V8 all the way.

GS450h - 12/16/2006 4:13:21 PM

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I used to have a BMW 740i with Sport Package and switched to Lexus after seeing how cheap the new Bangle BMWs felt compared with the old E38 and E39. My new GS450h is way smoother running that the BMW V8 ever was.

I am getting on average 10+ more MPG than in the E38 with better performance (Best recorded average trip MPG so far is 32.8!). Also the new GS is every bit as much a driver's car as a BMW and is a huge improvement over the previous generation.

If you are in the market for a car of this caliber do yourself a favor and take a test drive in a GS450h. Your perception of what makes a true luxury sport sedan will be changed forever. Also I have no qualms keeping this car once it's out of warranty unlike the BMW which I had to dump soon after the warranty expired.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/16/2006 7:20:22 PM

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"Also the new GS is every bit as much a driver's car as a BMW and is a huge improvement over the previous generation."

I agree somewhat with the rest of your post, but this is where your bias shows through.

Not one publication, NOT A SINGLE ONE, has said the GS is a good driver's car. The reason? It isn't!

theman - 12/16/2006 4:31:51 PM

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This Lexus is nice, but so is the E and 5 series..Your personal opinion does not make this car better, it is just your opinion...Lexus is a solid brand, but is miles behind in image, which with all honesty, in this day of materilasm means everything..The next time I see one of those on a rap video, I will notify you..Sadly I doubt this will happen soon

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 4:42:33 PM

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Unfortunately, the majority of people commenting on this have never driven the new GS450h.

Drive it and you will become a believer.

For my money, I'd save the 5-7K over a loaded (including radar cruise) 550 or e550 and buy the GS Hybrid.

001

001

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 4:51:56 PM

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Not bashing anyone...just stating my opinion.

How many times must I say it?

The 550i and E550 are wonderful cars.

But I would choose the GS450h over the other two for the reasons I listed.

001

mstangpny07 - 12/16/2006 4:53:29 PM

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Congrats on your purchase. I have been in a GS450h, and it's pretty good. I agree with you on the styling.

528i - 12/16/2006 5:14:34 PM

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why wouldn't you get an RS4 with that money??

JRobUSC - 12/16/2006 5:16:13 PM

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I agree the GS is a nice car. Fit and finish is excellent, and it's not going to offend anyone with it's appearance. However:

1) the GS450h isn't all that quick. It's anywhere from .3-.9 seconds slower than a 550i or E550 depending on what test you believe. It may be slightly quicker than the old E500, but it's not as quick as the current V8's.

2) it doesn't handle like those two either, partly because you can't defeat the stability control, but mainly because Lexus doesn't tune the suspension the way BMW or Mercedes do since their buyers tend to favor a softer, less sporty ride. The only car in the class the Lexus can outhandle is the Jaguar S-Type.

3) it is a LOT smaller, both in rear seat space and in trunk space. This is also a complaint people have with the IS, which sacrifices rear seat room for throne-like front seat room. The trunk in the GS450h is actually smaller than a 3-series because of the batteries.

4) for the same $65k you could have gotten a loaded 550i, E550, or even an Infiniti M45 (and on that one you could have also saved about $10k).

5) the gas savings aren't as big a deal as people think. Assuming the car gets you an average of 5 mpg better over a 12k mile/yr driving cycle versus the other cars, that's saving you maybe $200 a year. Also, most publications, including the Automotive Leasing Guide, Edmunds, and KBB, predict that resale on hybrids will be lower than gasoline-only counterparts. There goes whatever meager savings you had on gas.

It's definitely a nice car, congrats on the purchase. You don't have to justify it by comparing it with the other cars in the class, though, especially if you're going to compare using things it doesn't do as well. Personally I'd have gotten either an Infiniti M45 (best value in the class), BMW 550i (best drive), or E550 (most stately and classy), but then we don't have carpool lanes here.

EL34 - 12/16/2006 10:24:08 PM

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Here in Orange County California on our freeways we have carpool lanes because of the amount of traffic and California have the strongest freeways in the world because the earthquake standards.

Like one side of the freeway will have 4 lanes and 1 or 2 for the carpool lanes and sometimes more.

In fact I was reading the paper and they will be adding 4 more lanes on the 91 freeway, 2 will be carpool lanes and 2 will be E-Z Pass so you don't need to stop at toll booths.

But, a carpool lane was originally for 2 or more people and motorcycles only, but now with super clean engines that get great gas miliage they can use it when they're the only one in the car.

EL34 - 12/16/2006 10:28:32 PM

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Here is a picture of a freeway and carpool lane and I live just about a couple miles from this offramp in Irvine.

BTW, if a car crosses that double yellow line and a cop sees them the fine is like $500 bucks!!

You may only get out when there are broken white lines.

http://www.westcoastroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_095_02.jpg

EL34 - 12/16/2006 10:32:07 PM

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Here's another photo of a freeway where I live.

It's called the El Toro Y, because it splits into the 5 and 405 freeways.

Not to far from Irvine BMW, lol

http://www.westcoastroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_094a_01.jpg

EL34 - 12/16/2006 10:42:45 PM

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Here's an offramp I use all the time on the 5 frwy, Culver Drive and just down a 3 miles from my house.

http://www.westcoastroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_099_01.jpg

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 12:49:44 AM

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Aparently, the average person spends 70-something hours in traffic a year, but Californians spend 163 hours (I think).

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 12:50:15 AM

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*Apparently.

1970toyotamarc - 12/17/2006 2:25:04 AM

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1. Quote yur sources, please.
2. VDIM can be switched off in 07 Lexuses
3. The trunk is smaller, but rear seat room is comparable.
4. The 450h is less expensive than the other 2, thats just a fact.
5. Gas savings are not just about $ saved, but about barrels of fossil fuels saved, plus dont forget lowered emissions

JRobUSC - 12/17/2006 9:38:51 AM

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1970toyotamarc,

1) Sources that say the Lexus is slower include Edmunds Inside Line, Car & Driver, Road & Track, Motor Trend, and every other source I've seen the cars reviewed.

2) Glad you can turn off traction control now, but the car still isn't going to handle the same as the sports cars of the class because Lexus just doesn't tune their cars for that. Again, for reference see sources above.

3) trunk is a lot smaller (7.5 cu ft vs 16), occupants have anywhere from 1 in to 3 in less room in every dimension (and that's for every seat, not just the back seats).

4) the Lexus is NOT cheaper than the others. Agent001 has a photo of the MSRP sticker above. $65k. That's a loaded 550i, loaded E550, or even a loaded M45 plus $10k back to you.

5) Gas savings are about money saved, don't be silly. They're also about people deluding themselves into thinking that they're doing the planet a favor by using 80 gallons less gas a year. You really want to help the world? Donate your $65k to charity. Don't pretend that driving a car covered with the skin of slaughtered cows and cut down trees is saving anything just because it uses a little less gas. They just make people THINK they're accomplishing something while Lexus rolls in the cash. That makes Lexus smart, and it shows how sheeplike consumers can be.

Rupert - 12/16/2006 5:29:36 PM

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oh we know the reason he got it.
a. it was free
b. free carpool lane
that's it.
if i was getting places faster for less money, i'd take the lexus. free congestion charge in london, which would be 8 pounds a day.
1 thing.
the gs is UGLY. i'm sorry, i like other lexus designs, but this has a huge arse (yet small boot)and a beaky nose.

chewy - 12/16/2006 6:25:08 PM

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Scratch b.

The Lexus doesn't qualify for that.

chewy - 12/16/2006 5:44:59 PM

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Retarded that you can drive in the car pool lane but only get 28 MPG. What is next, 20 MPG SUV in the car pool lane. I find this really silly as many gasoline powered cars have the same exact (lack of) emmisions as the Lexus hybrid.

chewy - 12/16/2006 6:28:18 PM

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Never mind, the state of California isn't that stupid. 45 MPG is required.

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 6:08:42 PM

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We could have had any of them as a review car. I made the choice of the GS450h.

001

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 6:07:36 PM

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the pic is in the gallery

http://www.autospies.com/news/photo.aspx?photoId=13988&galleryId=677

EL34 - 12/16/2006 10:15:14 PM

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I don't know if I could get my real estate signs in there and the trunk will have to be able to hold 20 signs with the stands.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 12:51:56 AM

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Then go for that S-Class- the trunk is huge.

Plus, it's gorgeous, inside AND out.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 1:55:27 AM

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S4, you are a hippocrite. You were criticizing 001 for being biased toward Lexus by comparing it to German cars. Hmmmm, I believe your comment was biased toward Mercedes.

(By the way, the word "gorgeous" is a little femmy. A lot femmy actually. Just some words of advice to protect your image.)

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:19:14 AM

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Sorry, I hit reply on the wrong comment. They should have an edit or a delete or something.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:20:53 AM

-2 Boost

GOSH! I did it again. My first comment was right. Ignore the one above.

chewy - 12/16/2006 6:09:43 PM

+3 Boost

BTW, it looks like you CAN't Drive in the car pool lane/HOV with the GS450 as it doesn't get 45 MPG. So please don't.

You can't with the Camry hybrid as well.

chewy - 12/16/2006 6:11:55 PM

+1 Boost

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/carpool/carpool.htm

Again, the Lexus GS 450h doesn't get 45 mpg so it can't drive in the car pool lane/HOV with just one person.

BTW, the VW that I drove today has the exact same PZEV (Partial Zero Emmision Vehicle) emmision rating as the hybrid.

I felt so happy saving the environment in my PZEV VW that I drove today. I am such a great person. Mother nature will thank me.

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 6:32:14 PM

+3 Boost

I stand corrected...thank you.

Thought all hybrids qualified :(

001

EL34 - 12/16/2006 10:12:13 PM

+2 Boost

Well then forget it if I can't drive the GS in the carpool lane.

BTW, I'm gettin' an S-Class, daggumit.

In fact, I was out showing property over by the John Wayne Airport here in OC today and just on the way over I encountered half a dozen S550's.

SupraNeverBack - 12/16/2006 6:50:56 PM

0 Boost

Anyone in doubt about hybrid technique should give GS450h a try. You may be surprised about its seamless power switching, super quietness and strong acceleration... for a v6.

Agent004 - 12/16/2006 7:48:22 PM

+4 Boost

DIBS!

watisthat - 12/16/2006 7:25:01 PM

0 Boost

Agent 001 you should try for a TV host job about cars, something like Top Gear. Let your friend chewy be the side kick(Hamster). LOL

All the cars are great i do like the 5-Series, and the E-Class too.

chewy - 12/17/2006 2:33:31 AM

-2 Boost

I like your thinking.

answer - 12/16/2006 8:39:39 PM

+3 Boost

Holy crap!

Why is it every article that is even remotely positive about Lexus has to become some anti-Toyota/Lexus bash fest?

I still can't believe there are so many people who live in some prescribed culture world that says that only the Germans create truly good cars.

This Lexus is not going to be the dream car for everyone. Lexus knows this. Agent 001 knows this. Let it go. If you live in a mindset where the mere thought of a BMW or Mercedes is cause for a wet dream than fine. You must realize that Lexus makes good cars and there are people that like them however.

Liking any Lexus does not mean you don't like or own other makes including German (I'm fricking living proof of that!).

To those that say Lexus fans are too vocal here I must remind you that Lexus is the most bashed brand here. Defending Lexus in these posts is seen as a negative, while defending the German brands is seen as totally acceptable. Why the hell is that? If Lexus is truly so beneath the others, why do you people feel threatened enough to discredit every single sentence of a positive Lexus article.

Willis - 12/16/2006 9:11:10 PM

-2 Boost

Nobody is bashing Lexus here. People were annoyed with Agent001's comments regarding the 5-Series and E-Class.

answer - 12/16/2006 9:15:36 PM

-4 Boost

Um, yeah they are.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 1:59:07 AM

+2 Boost

They were his opinions. When he looks at a 5-Series, he sees something that looks taxi-ish. That may not be the same case for everyone.

Agent001 - 12/16/2006 9:47:50 PM

+8 Boost

repeated foul language, intolerance and mean-spritedness towards others

no-no's

001

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 12:55:45 AM

+1 Boost

Uhh, there's plenty of people on this website like that, and most of them are, how can I put this, worthless and have worthless posts.

BMW530i, on the other hand, was very informed and enthusiastic. Although he was 100% biased (LIKE ALL OF US ARE), he could back up the cars he loved with REASONS why he was biased!

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:00:58 AM

+4 Boost

Yes, BMW530i was a sharp tack, but nonetheless, he was rude.

mostafa - 12/17/2006 6:15:31 AM

+1 Boost

001,

I think upholding a strict demeanor towards vulgarity is an intrical part of mainting compusure on this site. However, I must agree, BMW530i was a very knowledgable member and was an asset to this site.

From my point of view, very few people on this site actually sit tight and represent their brand image quite well: BMW530i did it for BMW's, S4cabriofox does it for Audi, Will does it for lexus. To ban any of them would be more of a loss than most other people here. They are all, by far, at the top tier of the most knowledgable members of this board.

Please reconsider.

Agent004 - 12/17/2006 11:21:38 AM

+1 Boost

Done.

Bill - 12/17/2006 4:35:39 PM

+2 Boost

Thank you for the explanation, Agent001.

BMW530i was a very informed member, and I thought he represented his brand quite well. He loved BMW, but he was also their sharpest critic and wasn't afraid to mention their weaknesses and all that. Sure, he could get emotional real quickly, but to me, that was a sign of a real car enthusiast.

Please allow him to come back.

BMW530i / CL550, if you're reading this, keep watching Autospies and hopefully you can come back.

-Bill

Willis - 12/17/2006 6:57:05 PM

+2 Boost

He just answered us! LOL

BMW530i was a great poster in my opinion. Very smart and also objective most of the time.

I think his biggest problem was his emotional control. He got ticked off pretty quickly (especially with fanboys and lies) and couldn't control himself. Frankly, I don't blame him. There are a lot of people on this site that even annoy me, yet I control myself and tell myself that it is just a forum and that some people like to believe their own lies or the lies of their fellow fanboys etc.

BMW530i, if you're reading this, I do miss your presence here! If you can register again, do try to control your emotions!

mostafa - 12/18/2006 5:15:02 PM

+2 Boost

thank you, agent 004.

you rock.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/19/2006 12:17:07 AM

+1 Boost

" think his biggest problem was his emotional control. He got ticked off pretty quickly (especially with fanboys and lies) and couldn't control himself. Frankly, I don't blame him. There are a lot of people on this site that even annoy me, yet I control myself and tell myself that it is just a forum and that some people like to believe their own lies or the lies of their fellow fanboys etc.

BMW530i, if you're reading this, I do miss your presence here! If you can register again, do try to control your emotions!"

Yes, I agree completely. I wish I had a little more self-control- the best way to do it is simply to ignore them. They know they look foolish in the end.

lexusis350 - 12/19/2006 12:53:56 AM

+1 Boost

"very few people on this site actually sit tight and represent their brand image quite well: BMW530i did it for BMW's, S4cabriofox does it for Audi, Will does it for lexus."

That is true. Will is great at defending Lexus. Most of the things he says are very intelligent. He comes up with things that I would never have been able to come up with on my own. And, they're all 100% true.

And BMW530i, sorry you got banned. I was really surprised to hear that. I thought you were on vacation or something until I read these posts.

EL34 - 12/16/2006 10:07:23 PM

+4 Boost

You know who makes a good taxi and they don't cost an arm and a leg?...it's the Dodge Caravan.

Because it can be jam packed with people and luggage and the doors slide open which is good for safety, but if 001 thinks the E-Class is a taxi then so be it, but he may be right if it was in Las Vegas for high rollers.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:06:35 AM

+2 Boost

I've had the misfortune of seeing a Dodge Caravan Taxi. It looks horrid in yellow. I seriously got nauseous when I saw one of those. The Ford Freestar isn't that attractive either. Neither was that Lexus RXh that was posted a while back. Maybe they should stop making taxis yellow. It's a very unflattering color.

mstangpny07 - 12/17/2006 9:29:23 AM

+5 Boost

yet when most of us see a Crown Victoria in any other color besides yellow (or black&white for that matter) we think it looks strange.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 4:19:28 PM

+2 Boost

No, not really.

markusck - 12/16/2006 10:43:20 PM

+3 Boost

"...they knew they could not control us, like they do with the other traditional media outlets.

And TRUST us, they DO."

So Autospies is sill immune huh? Certainly a new change in tune it seems...I just wonder....

SSP350 - 12/16/2006 11:05:33 PM

+5 Boost

So many haters on this particular blog just because 001 chose a GS450H and he blew away any preconceive notions of it.
Give him a F**king break. Most of you guys who are posting commments have never even test drove the car yourself, believing all these stupid reviews by German bias magazines. Correct me if I"m wrong but didn't CNET.com gave the LS460L a 10 based on daily driving...hello key words "daily driving". In other words..they didn't need to take a corner doing 80MPH and because they couldn't find any fault with the car. The GS450H, honestly, the interiors looks generations better than a E or a 5Series. And before you respond to that, why don't you go and sit in one and don't just stare at the pictures and base it on that. BTW--I drive a LS460L and I love it. It drives just as well as a 7Series (I test drove both, thank you, including the S550 so that makes 3).
So before you start criticizing 001 for choosing the GS450H..why don't you do yourself a favor and go test drive one. Most of you guys would probably lie about it anyway and bash Lexus...typical German fans.
All my credentials goes to owning a 2001 Audi A6, 1998 7Series, 1995 SClass, which BTW, all gave me problems until I started driving a lexus. I'm sure there some out there without any problems, unfortunately for me I saw the shops frequently.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 12:57:45 AM

-1 Boost

They gave the LS460L a 10 because it has great technology, and... drum roll... CNET is... a TECHNOLOGY WEBSITE. If that's all you care about, by all means, take their reviews seriously- but they don't know jack about cars.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 12:59:08 AM

0 Boost

Well, actually, I'll take that back.

It's not ONLY about technology.

They gave the S4 a 9.6 or something and said they didn't love the technology! I was very pleased. I don't really care about Bluetooth, anyway- and my car doesn't have it.

They also gave the S550 a 9.8. So, neck-and-neck.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:09:07 AM

+1 Boost

YOUR CAR DOESN'T HAVE IT? The 1997 Lexus SC has it. Wow, Audi is behind the times.

1970toyotamarc - 12/17/2006 2:30:49 AM

+3 Boost

S4 I'm glad u checked urself before u wrecked urself. CNET has become quite a good source of car reviews, as their unbiased reviews of german and asian cars proves.

kart1 - 12/17/2006 2:44:39 PM

+5 Boost

Yes CNET is heavily biased on technology. However their reviews show that they aren't that dumb when it comes to cars.

EL34 - 12/16/2006 11:08:58 PM

-2 Boost

Anyone else here sorta think the Lexus GS is a chick car or am I flat out wrong?

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:09:58 AM

+2 Boost

Your flat out wrong.

kart1 - 12/17/2006 2:46:09 PM

+4 Boost

You are wrong. The VW EOS is a complete chick car.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 3:36:33 PM

0 Boost

All VW's are chick cars. Have you ever seen a guy in a Beetle or a Jetta? It's hilarious.

Willis - 12/17/2006 7:01:58 PM

+1 Boost

All VW's are chick cars. Have you ever seen a guy in a Beetle or a Jetta? It's hilarious.

Another worthless post from LexusIS350. Well done. Keep it up.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 9:36:15 PM

+2 Boost

What's worthless about that? It's true. Volkswagens are for girls. They look femmy. It's an opinion but a very common opinion. The majority of VW buyers are girls.

Bill - 12/18/2006 5:50:03 AM

-1 Boost

If VW's are girls, Mr LexusIS350, then Lexus must be for homosexuals. Right?

Bill - 12/18/2006 5:50:18 AM

-1 Boost

If VW's are for girls, Mr LexusIS350, then Lexus must be for homosexuals. Right?

lexusis350 - 12/18/2006 11:34:56 PM

0 Boost

Why do you call me "Mr. LexusIS350?" It's creepy. And no. More homosexuals drive German cars because they're more girly. And because a lot of homosexuals live in California where all the rage is to own a BMW or Mercedes.

farhank420 - 12/16/2006 11:17:22 PM

-9 Boost

GS450h is nice, though the horesepower could be better.....its total output is only 340bhp
it should be atleast 400, maybe gs500 will

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:10:59 AM

+2 Boost

You have to give it some credit. It is a hybrid after all. The Toyota Prius has under 100 horsepower.

2JZSoarer - 12/16/2006 11:45:07 PM

+1 Boost

Hey Agent 001,I think you made a great choice in buying the GS450h!!
You Germanfan boys are intitled to your own opinion,but you can't force anyone in liking the car brands that you like by bashing another,like Bill he calls everyone that doesn't like a Mercedes "Biased",when in reality he is the Biased one,I could just imagine how arrogant Bill must be driving his Mercedes(when ever it's not in the shop for repairs),Since Mercedes owner are so concerned with how much they paid for their vehicles ,I think they should just drive around with a big price tag!!!

EL34 - 12/17/2006 12:10:28 AM

+3 Boost

Hey, I think the Lexus GS450h is a great car, But I want a Q7 and an R8 with paddle shifters.

Agent001 - 12/17/2006 12:22:09 AM

+7 Boost

I did not buy it.

Lexus has loaned it to us for a long term review.

001

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 1:00:41 AM

-3 Boost

OHMYGOD STOP WITH THE RELIABILITY CRAP!!!!!!!! DOES IT NEVER END???

The S550, like the S500 before it, is the best sedan in the world- and everybody on this website knows that and respects it!

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:13:47 AM

+3 Boost

It will end when your snide comments end.

(And by "your", I didn't mean you, S4, I meant all of the Lexus bashers, which does include you. And the S-Class isn't the best car in the world. That is merely an opinion.)

Bill - 12/17/2006 4:42:24 PM

-2 Boost

2JZSoarer,

Wow, you're such an immature little kid. I'm getting sick of these "German / Mercedes etc." accusations. They're so immature and frankly, bordering on racism if you ask me.

And for your information, I've owned my S550 for 8 months now and I've not had a single issue with it. I love this car and after recently trying out the LS460, I love my Benz even more.

Oh, 2JZSoarer, if I could describe you with one word, this is it: B I A S

Yes, you're incredibly Toyota/Lexus biased and can't keep an open head. So before you call me bias, check yourself. Moron.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 9:14:23 PM

+3 Boost

Oooooh, eight months. Mercedes must be outstanding for lasting that long. Give me a break. Hyundai's will go eight months with no problems. Tell us when it gets to be several years old with no problems. Then maybe we can gain some respect for Mercedes.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 1:02:32 AM

-1 Boost

"First, I like the statement, "true opinions". Is there really anything that can be called a true opinion? Or maybe that's a little too deep for some."

LOL!

Your posts truly are deep. Love the rest.

I'm sick of egomaniacs. I mean, sometimes it's fun to make BMW drivers look bad, but honestly, I don't care.

Matthew1 - 12/17/2006 12:34:56 AM

0 Boost

Let's get one thing straight.

001 didn't buy this car. It is a 'long-term loaner'.

Is it just me, (a real car enthusiast, so sorry if I offend some of you mere consumers -being a car consumer doesn't mean you are an enthusiast) or does knowing that this 'performance' comes from a silent, piston-less electric motor seem somewhat un-car like?

Performance is good, I agree. But in my experience of cars with powerful engines but 'cruising' dynamics (GS450H), you soon get used to the shove in the back of your seat, but yearn for more communicative steering and tidier handling.

Strangely enough, having direct, communicative steering (not overly light and slow) makes a car better to drive in ANY situation, whether it be tackling a mountain road or driving around town.

I think that saying the GS is better than any of its rivals shows a lack of appreciation for a 'balanced' car. One that ticks all the boxes.

I can see that the E-Class's engineers have struck the right balance in terms of comfort and impressive handling, something a car enthusiast appreciates, because we enthusiasts like comfort too!

Sadly, I happen to find the GS ugly. The belt line is so high that the car looks bulkier than it should, and the plump rump and fussy, cheap-looking slat grille is at odds with the understated philosophy.

I understand that many Americans have different automotive priorities, stuck in traffic jams for most of the day obviously numbs the senses which would otherwise compel you to purchase an exciting car.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/17/2006 1:06:52 AM

+1 Boost

"I can see that the E-Class's engineers have struck the right balance in terms of comfort and impressive handling, something a car enthusiast appreciates, because we enthusiasts like comfort too!

Sadly, I happen to find the GS ugly. The belt line is so high that the car looks bulkier than it should, and the plump rump and fussy, cheap-looking slat grille is at odds with the understated philosophy."

I so agree. The E-Class is too good not to be considered. I've been saying this time and time again- it truly is the perfect balance between comfort/luxury, style/elegance and handling/performance. It may not have Lexus reliability, but it being in the shop once a year is a fair price to pay for a car that's one of the most perfect cars on this Earth.

Before, it was the 5 Series- but they've changed it to the extent that the interior is unattractive and it doesn't relax you like the E, GS or A6.

I also agree about the GS's styling. The previous generation, while an even more blatant rip-off of the E-Class, was very well-executed and didn't look old in its last year. I truly admired its design and thought most Lexi should look like that- GS400 was a cool sedan. But, they basically pumped the car with hot air and added Camry-esque rear lamps and called it a radical redesign. The car looks old already.

1970toyotamarc - 12/17/2006 2:33:24 AM

+2 Boost

from your post, it doesnt actually sound like you've driven the car.

rocker - 12/17/2006 12:39:58 AM

+4 Boost

Beautiful car. I really like both the GS and Infiniti M lines.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 1:16:31 AM

+2 Boost

Who wrote this article? Finally, someone with a positive attitude toward Lexus.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 1:17:59 AM

+2 Boost

Willis - 12/17/2006 6:49:12 PM

-2 Boost

LOL! I know the feeling, one of the many reasons I love Lexus. In fact, I just traded my LS 430 in on a brand new LS 460 L! I went into the dealership to look and ended up buying.

No you didn't.

Your low quality and biased posts (looks like I learned something from Bill) on this site have clearly revealed you to be an underage poser who's father most likely drives the LS430 (and perhaps bought the new LS460), not you, for sure.

And if you did, let's see some decent high quality pictures. I want to see one of YOU next to the car with a piece of paper that says "I am LexusIS350 on Autospies". You can blur out your face for all I care, I just want to see you next to the car holding this piece of paper. Host the pictures on www.imageshack.us and prove to us that you're not full of BS.

Before registering with Autospies, I read these boards from time to time. You are one of the most biased and frankly "worthless" posters on this site. You never contribute anything meaningful and intelligent. It's always "Lexus rocks, _______ sucks" coming from your mouth, mostly.

Looking forward to seeing "your new Lexus LS460".

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 7:24:36 PM

+5 Boost

You know what Willis, you're just as biased as anyone else on this site. I did buy a new LS 460 L. Well, I ordered it, I don't have it...yet. But I will in a few weeks.

Willis - 12/17/2006 7:49:06 PM

-3 Boost

LexusIS350,

We are all BIASED in our way. But some people give credit where credit is due and don't overinflate their favorite brand. You and your Lexus friends do this all the time. In fact, you guys are the worst fanboys on this site from what I've seen.

Once your Lexus arrives, I REALLY want to SEE that picture. Otherwise, you're full of lies.

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 9:11:51 PM

+2 Boost

Fine, here's some credit to Mercedes. Congratulations on developing that system that will drive itself at low speeds. BMW, congratulations on having sporty sedans. There, happy? I do like other brands, I just like some over the other.

Matthew1 - 12/17/2006 1:46:46 AM

+2 Boost

"An S500 tried to pass me this morning and when I looked in my rear view mirror two seconds later, not only was the guy looking outside his door to see if he was standing still, I could just see in his facial expression that his ego has been crushed and deflated for life. I think he’s still driving around San Diego in a fog wondering what happened"

I bet he was thinking, wow the back of that Lexus is fat.

oh what fun it is to have highway drag races -a real test of any cars performance credibility. Sure....

I bet if the same scenario was set against some mountain roads, the GS would would be left for dead against the S500. The S500 has agility which belies its weight, wheras the GS would be scrubbing into understeer, front tyres squealing for mercy.

"wonderful piece of engineering" Is that right?

I just don't see it. A large car, average amount of interior space, a powerful engine stuffed into a chassis that can't deploy it, and poor brakes.

Gee Wizz, I bet NASA is dismantling one as we speak!

lexusis350 - 12/17/2006 2:16:56 AM

+1 Boost

"I bet he was thinking, wow the back of that Lexus is fat."

So, are you a girl, because only girls are obsessed with calling things (in this case the GSh) fat.

1970toyotamarc - 12/17/2006 2:36:27 AM

+2 Boost

please quote a source for your "poor brakes" comment

1970toyotamarc - 12/17/2006 2:44:32 AM

+1 Boost

actually, i'll post a source for you. edmunds 60-0 in 123 ft. pretty damn good
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/lexus/gs450h/100700963/specs.html?mktcat=style+specs+page&kw=2007+lexus+gs450h+100700963+style+specs+page&mktid=ik344169

chewy - 12/17/2006 2:41:10 AM

+1 Boost

But you can't, as it doesn't get 45 MPG. In fact, the VW Jetta/Rabbit gets the exact same (lack of) pollution while getting higher highway milage for about 1/3 the price.

MunichRob - 12/17/2006 5:44:17 AM

+2 Boost

"We’re now in the position to CHOOSE the cars we want and pass on the ones we don’t."

Agent 001 you get graced with this great task, & you go and screw it up by choosing the GS over the E-Class?

I tend to get bored of cars quick...Thus the reason I've never even bothered to consider a Lexus over the 3 marque German brans, or even Infininti for that matter.

Toyota fans might jump on me for this one, but just let me say...Anyone who KNOWS ANY & EVERYTHING about cars, would never say Lexus is my favourite car company. I'm talking like automotive industry legends, race car drivers, or even more modern car buffs like Jay Leno or Funkmaster Flex would NEVER NEVER NEVER...Consider Lexus the best!

Why? These are all people who love cars that embody the things that Lexus does not...Character, prestige, expressiveness, & above all fun.

GS450h - 12/18/2006 10:53:49 PM

0 Boost

The people that really now how the auto industry works and how cars are built admire Toyota and Lexus. Entertainers don't know much about cars. They mostly care about flash but little about the guts of the car and how well they are built.

Danton - 12/17/2006 7:45:01 AM

+3 Boost

Is this article a very late April Fools joke?

JUGNU - 12/17/2006 7:47:44 AM

-2 Boost

Autospies.
First of all congrestulations.This is definately one of the best car in the Whole World.Design and technology especially.

Perfect choice AutoSpies.
I am sure u will love it more and more everytime behind the wheel.

It's my favourite Lexus(Design wise).It's so very beautiful.

JUGNU

mstangpny07 - 12/17/2006 9:35:59 AM

-3 Boost

were you drunk when you wrote this, Jugnu?

congrestulations...lol

"I am sure u will love it more and more everytime behind the wheel." ?????????

Whole World? is that a proper noun? :) :)

markusck - 12/17/2006 10:02:23 AM

+3 Boost

You know, its not that 001 is praising the car, after all it is a great car, no doubt, but its the extremes he goes to mimimalize the competition in a very juvenile way for the purpose of creating hype and a flame war. Specifically comparing the competition to a taxi in terms of design then to play the boy racer with another driver by "crushing his ego for life" What pure drivel.

Didnt 001 just get back from Beijing and the E-Class drive from Paris? What happened to all the praises and well crafted articles? It just seems a completely different person wrote this...I expect a more mature approach and let the fanboys comments ignite the wars.

Agent004 - 12/17/2006 11:23:05 AM

+1 Boost

MDalle, did you reply to the wrong comment or am I missing something here??

Agent004 - 12/17/2006 11:25:55 AM

+7 Boost

markusck, I loved the E-Class when I drove it out in Napa this summer. It's been a long time since I was suprised by a car, and it's sportiness really overwhelmed me. I've always considered the Mercedes the Luxury-Sport company and BMW the Sport-Luxury, but after driving the E with the sport package, it's really opened my eyes. I need to setup a time when I can drive both 550's back to back, the MB E550 and the BMW 550i. It would be a great comparison.

Agent001 - 12/17/2006 11:52:05 AM

+1 Boost

Please, for the love of GOD understand my description of the E-Class design as Taxi-ish does NOT mean I think its as ugly as a taxi. It means that the exterior design is is more conservative looking than I would like it to be and is too utitilitarian looking sometimes in my eyes vs. the pure sex look of a CLS.

The GS has more seduction in its exterior design in my opinion.

It doesn't mean I don't like the E-Class. The E-Class is an awesome car as well but the exterior design doesn't capture me as much as the new GS.

Mercedes knows this, that's why I can guarantee you the next E-Class will have many CLS queues...

001

markusck - 12/17/2006 12:22:39 PM

+1 Boost

I know what you were trying to convey 001; opinions are fine, but add the taxi comment to the Chrysler interior comment and the over the top praise for a car you have had for a few days...what did you expect people to just let that go? It was purely done as fuel to ignite the fire...I have no problem with opinions on design but come now, Chrysler interior..that even got me to laugh...

Agent001 - 12/17/2006 12:33:46 PM

0 Boost

What I meant to say said was the HVAC controls/center stack on the E look Chrysler-like...not that whole interior was Chrysler-like

001

Agent001 - 12/17/2006 12:37:02 PM

0 Boost

p.s. The E-class would be my close second choice after the GS if the choice was based on exterior design.

I don't think and did not say the GS design BLOWS the E away, it's just nicer in my opinion.

001

Willis - 12/17/2006 6:42:09 PM

+3 Boost

markusck,

Interesting point about Agent001's E Class Beijing experience.

Personally, I have zero issues which car Agent001 picks as his, but his comments on the BMW and Benz were in my opinion uncalled for and as expected have created flame war number 1,024,033 on Autospies.

jaeggar - 12/17/2006 12:04:36 PM

0 Boost

thumps up 001.sensible choice of car.it's even toll-free in London.Also i support your banning of people with foul mouth.Always tidy up the site.

SSP350 - 12/17/2006 12:20:45 PM

-3 Boost

001,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the new 5 Series considered hideous when it first came out, same goes for the new 3 series, because of the new Bangle design. Yet again, most German fans praise at BMW to, per se, "RISK" their designs, and now most German fans think it looks beautiful.
Wouldn't one be a hypocrite if they said the same about the GS???? Hmmmmmm....

SSP350 - 12/17/2006 6:52:32 PM

-4 Boost

Honestly, I don't get what you're trying to say. I don't see any relevance or a response to what I posted. Maybe you're just too angry, now go away.

EL34 - 12/17/2006 1:28:19 PM

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The new E-Class does not look taxi-ish, the car has a Rolls-Royce Phantom look.

The GS is kind of round lookin', like a jelly bean.

M53R - 12/17/2006 1:37:22 PM

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001.

Dont compare cars to boats plz coz some ppl believe it.

No seriously, the GS, was good looking the 1st time i saw it, 2nd time, it was just another german wannabe. The interior, looks like a 5 year old mercedes, but the quality is high. The performance, the other 2 will leave u in the dust, it just saves some cash.

CONCLUSION: Lexus tried as hard as they can to beat the germans, but still failed due to the reason that this car is just a rebadged camry hybrid. Even the interior looks like the new camry!

EL34 - 12/17/2006 2:24:43 PM

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I think all the Lexus cars are very good and reliable, but I'm not thrilled with the interior and exterior styling.

They're all just all sort of round.

kart1 - 12/17/2006 2:59:23 PM

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Wow great comment.

"It just saves some cash"???

65k - how much cash are you really saving there. "Lexus tried as hard as they can to beat the germans, but still failed due to the reason that this car is just a rebadged camry hybrid"

Rebadged - yeah good work there. your comment is really helpful in pointing out the entire scenario. Wow 001, didn't you know that you got a Toyota Camry hybrid??

Maulvader - 12/17/2006 3:57:57 PM

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Could someone please explain to me what the definition of a luxury car is? I can never understand the argument that Lexus is not a luxury car because it is really a Toyota. I looked up the definition of the word "luxury" and found words like:

-Refinement (Lexus generally accepted as tops)

-Elegance (The old Lexi not so much but I believe the new designs are. BMW definitely does not meet this criteria)

-Indulgence (I guess it means excess. I think you can't get more excessive than self-parking)

-Comfort (a common complaint of Lexus that they are not sporty enough but too quite and soft, and therefore comfortable)

Other descriptions talk of technology and finer material, like the leather as measures of luxury. I think Lexus delivers there as well.

I'm not biased towards Lexus (I'd be very happy if I had a Lexus or BMW or Merc or Audi or Jagetc, etc, etc.) but the argument that Lexus can't really compete with Merc and BMW because its really a Toyota seems ridiculous to me. Somehow if a Fiat could make a car that delivered the comfort, convenience and technology of a MB, I think thats a luxury car.

Maulvader - 12/18/2006 11:17:02 AM

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It would be nice SexyLexusDude if you actually READ my post before declaring me a Lexus hater. As MDalle correctly pointed out, I was actually trying to defend Lexus.

Maulvader - 12/17/2006 3:58:28 PM

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Could someone please explain to me what the definition of a luxury car is? I can never understand the argument that Lexus is not a luxury car because it is really a Toyota. I looked up the definition of the word "luxury" and found words like:

-Refinement (Lexus generally accepted as tops)

-Elegance (The old Lexi not so much but I believe the new designs are elegant. BMW definitely does not meet this criteria)

-Indulgence (I guess it means excess. I think you can't get more excessive than self-parking)

-Comfort (a common complaint of Lexus that they are not sporty enough but too quite and soft, and therefore comfortable)

Other descriptions talk of technology and finer material, like the leather as measures of luxury. I think Lexus delivers there as well.

I'm not biased towards Lexus (I'd be very happy if I had a Lexus or BMW or Merc or Audi or Jagetc, etc, etc.) but the argument that Lexus can't really compete with Merc and BMW because its really a Toyota seems ridiculous to me. Somehow if a Fiat could make a car that delivered the comfort, convenience and technology of a MB, I think thats a luxury car.

Maulvader - 12/17/2006 4:00:23 PM

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Sorry about the triple post! I was having some technical problems.

Rupert - 12/17/2006 4:50:04 PM

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it's weird, i don't understand why people like the GS's looks. i think it's the worst looking lexus out there, it's not edgy nor traditional, it's just...weird and fat. really that's the only problem i have with the car, but the looks put me off. i like the rx, ls, is and even sometimes the sc designs, but the gs needs a redesign IMO.

Willis - 12/17/2006 6:38:18 PM

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I think the GS looks just fine overall, but it doesn't have that European elegance that the E-Class has.

I think the LS460 was a good step in terms of design. It appears somewhat European but can still be made out to be a Japanese car.

EL34 - 12/17/2006 7:14:47 PM

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One must remember Lexus is entering in a game the Europeans have been involved with for the past 100 years.

Give Lexus some time and I'm sure they will design cars that look right.

IMHO.

cynic - 12/17/2006 10:18:32 PM

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Ah...Toyota has been around for about 70 years (making cars that is). They had started making luxury cars quite a long time ago as well but did not export them to many countries.

AmazingBimmer - 12/17/2006 10:20:01 PM

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the gs does nto compete witht MB and 5er.. it is a little more downmarket.. prbably a good comparo with the a6 or Infiniti M or Passat.

AmazingBimmer - 12/17/2006 10:21:23 PM

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the gs does not compete witht MB and 5er.. it is a little more downmarket.. probably a good comparo with the a6 or Infiniti M or Passat.

MunkyTooL - 12/17/2006 10:43:07 PM

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I test drove the G450H at the recent "Taste of Lexus" event down in Irvine. Aesthetics aside I found the biggest flaw to be the CVT transmission. Great acceleration but NO top end. No matter how many times I drove it I couldn't get used to not having any gears. Even with the tiptronic controls you still don't get the response you would get from a BMW 5 speed auto transmission with the same power.

MunichRob - 12/17/2006 10:57:06 PM

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"AmazingBimmer" your so clueless it's sad.

Lexus - 12/18/2006 3:01:34 AM

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If you think the Lexus GS450H is fast and in way is better than MB and 5er; wait for the GS 460. Rumor has it that Lexus will released the GS460 for 2008 model with even more horse power than the current GS430. I sure hope the up and coming Lexus GS460 has at least 350-380 hp. And I also hope the performance version of the GS460, which is the GS-F, hopefully it going to have at least 440 hp.

Lexus

chewy - 12/18/2006 2:51:46 PM

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The GS 460 should be nice. It will probably get better fuel economy than the hyrbird as well, because it has a more efficient ICE.

Lexus - 12/18/2006 3:01:56 AM

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Lexus - 12/18/2006 3:04:21 AM

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Opp! :) sorry for the repost LOL :)

Lexus

weaponX - 12/18/2006 9:22:35 AM

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Great ad for Lexus!

Maybe deserving, maybe not.

I guess if all the roads you drive in are straight and you feel as if you're helping to reverse global warming with the 3 mpg difference (from the 5 & E) then the GS450H is alright.

But, if Car and Driver likens the dynamics of the GS to a Lincoln Town Car, I think I’ll pass and still put up with the 5-series styling.

GS450h - 12/18/2006 11:01:02 PM

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That article was so ridiculus I cancelled my subscription to C&D. I have driven a Town Car and I have a GS450h which I bought after the article came out. All I can say is that they were smoking crack when they tested the GS because it doesn't drive anything like a Town Car

AmazingBimmer - 12/18/2006 11:17:04 AM

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munichrob... how so?. because this POS handles like a boat?.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/19/2006 12:24:40 AM

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Oh, dear...

Can't you just go away?

Ever?

Nobody thinks your posts add any quality information to these forums. The diehard BMW fans hate you, the Lexus fans hate you, and most importantly, the Audi fans hate you.

001, if you kicked off BMW530i but not this guy, I question your morals.

EL34 - 12/18/2006 11:28:39 AM

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I have a question about the name Lexus.

Is Lexus a Japanese word?

sracekili - 12/18/2006 2:25:42 PM

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as far as I know, Lexus is not a Japanese word.

Rupert - 12/18/2006 4:35:48 PM

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luxury export united states, surely?

EL34 - 12/19/2006 2:04:30 AM

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MDalle, thanks for the hat, it's getting cold around here with the Lexus people.

So the word Lexus is just a buzz word a NYC public relations firm came up with!

EL34 - 12/18/2006 12:38:10 PM

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Will, what kind of Luxury taxi's might I find in Tokyo?

07mcs - 12/18/2006 12:26:52 PM

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Very nice car, I am convincing one of my friends to take the GS350, but one thing that is not working for the Lexus is trunk space. It seems too small for him.

07mcs - 12/18/2006 1:38:30 PM

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I just looked at the interior photos of the GS450H, and my E500 looks more high quality that the Lexus. It is a nice car for the money, but if you can afford it and do yourself a favor and get the E550. Mine has the sport package and it handles really well. Like others said, it handles very well, for a brand that is more luxury oriented than sport oriented.

EL34 - 12/18/2006 2:41:23 PM

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I agree 100%.

GS450h - 12/18/2006 10:54:46 PM

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07mcs - 12/18/2006 6:50:53 PM

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for your information smart A$$ my Car is a 2004 and the CLS was not out yet. Also, I was referring to the GS class in general. They seem nice cars for the money. But if they cost the same as the E550 (talking about the GS450h) then I would choose the E550 hands down. More beautiful looking inside and out. And Yes, I can afford it.

GS450h - 12/18/2006 10:56:00 PM

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jt716 - 12/18/2006 7:00:30 PM

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They have E-class and 5-series taxis even some lexus taxis in singapore its part of the Luxury taxi division not the normal one n they charge 5 times more even. But they get the base models mostly

MunichRob - 12/18/2006 11:08:11 PM

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"AmazingBimmer" don't get me wrong, I don't like Lexus & I don't like you.

S4cabriofoxone - 12/19/2006 12:20:53 AM

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Oh, I take back what I said.

I like the GS450h a lot- although I think the E is more elegant, the GS's interior is equal to it (and in some areas, better; in some the E is better), and it has effortless acceleration with good (not great, but good- better than most) gas mileage.

Although it's not exactly a fuel miser, it gets the job done, with how it's faster than both the 350 and 430 and gets better mileage than both.

One thing I don't understand is the relationship between the 350 and the 430. I know it'll become the GS460, but for now, how does Lexus plan on selling any last-minute GS430s if the GS350 is faster and less expensive?