Lexus LS460

Lexus LS460
Having recently been named Japanese Car of the Year, the new LS comes into this test with strong credentials. But does the Lexus badge yet have the kudos necessary to rival the best Euro­pean brands on home ground? We’re not so sure.

Then there’s the styling. Mercedes’ latest S-Class caused controversy when it was launched at the start of this year, and it was a similar story with the BMW 7-Series before it. But the LS didn’t turn one head during the course of a week’s testing with us. It’s instantly recognisable as a Lexus, yet isn’t even as challenging as the other models in the brand’s range – the GS has greater aggression and the IS looks more daring.

The designers have attempted to give it some individuality with chrome exhausts and rear light clusters which wrap around the wing. Yet overall, this is a very conservative new car that is certain to sell well in the Japanese and US markets, but doesn’t stand out enough for British buyers.

Similar criticism can be levelled at the interior. While there’s no doubt about the stunning fit and finish or the quality of the materials, the cabin simply doesn’t provide the same sense of occasion as the S-Class. It’s pleasant inside, but far from memorable. Comfort is where the LS excels, however. Rear passengers are particularly well catered for, with electrically adjustable, heated seats. Fold down the centre armrest and you’ll reveal a control panel for the climate and stereo systems in the back, plus the housing for the DVD remote. This standard feature has a crystal-sharp screen and is one of the best in-car set-ups we have used.

As it’s filled with so much technology, it’s no surprise that the centre console is a little button-heavy. We would like to have seen a more sleek design, and one which distinguishes the LS from the rest of the Lexus range. The central touch-screen is easy to use and it doesn’t take long to familiarise yourself with all the controls, but the set-up lacks the Mercedes system’s imagination and attention to detail. As a car to be chauffeured in, though, the Lexus is excellent – it’s utterly quiet and silky smooth, leaving passengers to relax and enjoy the soft seats and space.

While it deals with undulations beautifully, the LS’s air-suspension struggles to contain sharp bumps. And although handling isn’t as important as comfort or refinement to buyers in this class, the driving experience isn’t especially tempting. With no steering feedback and plenty of wallow in corners, the Lexus lacks its rival’s sharpness.
Still, the 4.6-litre powerplant is superbly engineered. It’s nearly as potent as the S500’s 5.4-litre motor, and there’s no trace of vibration. Our test car had covered fewer than 1,000 miles, though, so at 6.5 seconds the Lexus was well short of the maker’s claimed 5.7-second 0-60mph time.

With less torque that peaks higher up than its rival’s, plus a 115kg weight penalty, the LS simply doesn’t have the S500’s turn of pace. And while its shifts are seamless, the eight-speed transmission appears little more than a gimmick.

There are enough gadgets to satisfy even the most hardcore technophiles, such as Lane Keep Assist, the Driver Monitoring System, Intelli­gent Park Assist and an Advanced Obstacle Detec­tion System. Indeed, the Lexus has far more stan­dard kit than the Mercedes. But equipment alone is not enough to decide the outcome of this test.

"There are enough gadgets to satisfy even the most hardcore technophiles"
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AUDBMLEXMRCAUDBMLEXMRC - 1/3/2007 4:22:42 PM
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Again another Racist test. I would like to tell again, i've tested this car with MB and honestly when you test it yourseldf you can see that this test above is aboslutly exagerated on negative points. If we decide to focus on negative poinnts of MB s classe it's believe me a long list! Again i tell loudly i'm not a LEXUS fan but when i read the lies as this i've to say that is not true Just look at this:

''this is a very conservative new car that is certain to sell well in the Japanese and US markets, but doesn’t stand out enough for British buyers.''
My goodness. What snob and racist review!! As a german when i hear this i just want to tell to this guy SHUT UP!

Again if this car had a MB badge everybody would praise it!





1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 1/3/2007 4:31:48 PM
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we can add imagination to magic feel, soul, charisma and personality. The have to keep coming up with clever words to describe the Euro cars since with every new Lexus, they pale more and more by real objective comparisons.


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 1/3/2007 4:32:44 PM
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oops, replied to the wrong comment, tho the sentiments are still valid here.


GS450hGS450h - 1/3/2007 4:25:56 PM
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Will,

I couldn't agree more on how biased the magazines have gotten. When they review these German luxury cars they can't show enough hatred towards the Command system and I-Drive user interfaces. But when they are compared to the the easy-to-use Lexus all of a sudden the German cars have more "Imagination". I call it Bullsh**.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 1/3/2007 5:55:04 PM
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Is it just me, or does this article compromise itself? First, the writer says how boring the LS is. Then he tells all about the exciting features it has. Something doesn't sound right here. Once again, a biased review.


answeranswer - 1/3/2007 6:09:18 PM
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Imagination?

When it comes to telematics, shouldn't a car be offering facts and not imaginary concepts?

Both cars are great, but for the reviewer to knock the Lexus because the touch screen isn't telling him a bed-time story is stupid.


chewychewy - 1/3/2007 7:05:53 PM
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Saw one today, pretty sleek but not much road presense.

BTW, the Lexus IS-F will have 400+ hp, it is on the Auto Spies front page, in an ad.


answeranswer - 1/3/2007 7:30:58 PM
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I can't click on the ad.

Damn it!


chewychewy - 1/3/2007 8:26:01 PM
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Yep, the ad for the Lexus IS-F (on the Auto Spies front page, it was a blue IS said it had 400+ hp)brought you to a screen that said Lexus can't find the page, it has now dissapeared. The Lexus site has nothing. So it appears that Auto Spies readers saw the IS-F before any official announcement, in an ad. But it surely doesn't have 500 hp as it only said 400+, for the IS350 they said 300+ and it turned out to be 306. It didn't look far from the regular IS.


2JZSoarer2JZSoarer - 1/3/2007 9:25:59 PM
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The official Lexus website:

http://www.lexus.com/autoshow/?s_ocid=30110

Lexus will stage the world premier of the IS-F on 1/8/2007 at 11:25 AM (eastern time)



chewychewy - 1/3/2007 10:18:56 PM
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2JZSoarer

The ad on the front page showed the actual IS-F and said it will have 400+ hp. It led to a blank page. It was quickly pulled. I have seen the IS-F, it is blue and looks a lot like the IS. It will have 400+ hp (Lexus said the IS 350 would have 300+ in ads --> 306)


answeranswer - 1/3/2007 11:01:13 PM
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The only thing I was able to see befor it got yanked was some kind of side "scoop".




chewychewy - 1/3/2007 11:51:22 PM
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answer, I guess you and me were the only ones to see it. But now we know it won't have anything even close to 500 hp most likely.


2JZSoarer2JZSoarer - 1/3/2007 9:17:09 PM
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This article is "BS",no matter what Lexus does,according to these guys it will never be as good as a Mercedes,truely a bias article!!!


RupertRupert - 1/4/2007 9:02:56 PM
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will, fabian has a good point "why should the lexus have won". what advantages does it have over the s class?
and the reviewer has every right to not like it, it doesn't cater for him or for the european market. if they had a good diesel, the LS would fly off the shelves.
and the european market is VERY different to the american ones, we're used to cheaper models of more expensive brands, and the value thing that lexus offers doesn't tempt us. we'd prefer a cheaper S320cdi or A8 3.0 tdi over an LS460 at the same price level. it's not that the LS is a bad car, just it isn't designed for our market and we don't respect lexus as much as the americans.


chewychewy - 1/4/2007 2:13:34 AM
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Here you go Lexus fans.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Lexus-IS-F-Revealed-Before-January-8th-11305

This one should have (must) have some personality.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 1/4/2007 2:41:49 AM
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Wow. What a boring picture of the Lexus.

It really doesn't look good in pictures. My friend's silver SWB is nice-looking, but nothing I'd stare at.

I wish they knew how to design. That's step #1 in Lexus's pursuit of respect in the German car community.


HeyhuubHeyhuub - 1/4/2007 12:08:46 PM
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These Lexus fans are really something else huh?


dicardicar - 1/4/2007 1:17:23 PM
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Mr. "GO MERCEDES BENZ!!!" evaluates Lexus.
it's fair review.


DieterDieter - 1/4/2007 3:00:44 PM
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It doesn't give you any joy when driving


EL34EL34 - 1/4/2007 3:22:49 PM
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Will,test drive the LS600, but don't buy one, unless you need the badge!!


EL34EL34 - 1/4/2007 7:07:02 PM
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You should get the LS460L and be happy with the speed.


EL34EL34 - 1/4/2007 9:31:24 PM
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The LS460 is a great car, there's no denying that.


2JZSoarer2JZSoarer - 1/4/2007 10:04:01 PM
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Fanatic are you crazy,Lexus has designs that appeal the younger buyers,I'm 24 years old and my friends and I all agree that Lexus have some of the best design lines around!I would have to say that Mercedes has a design on all their cars that appeal more to the old folks,not that it's a bad thing,I mean old folks need to drive too !!


EL34EL34 - 1/4/2007 10:13:49 PM
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I don't agree with you on Lexus designing cars for younger drivers. In fact, I think it would be a mistake to design cars for the whims of younger people.


answeranswer - 1/4/2007 10:04:26 PM
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I keep wondering when Infiniti will bring out the next Q.

It would be nice to break from the usual routine of "S Class sucks" and "LS" sucks with a little "Q sucks" from time to time.

We seem to be stuck in a rut here.


EL34EL34 - 1/4/2007 10:16:14 PM
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I've talked to quite a few people at Christmas parties about the self-parking feature of the LS460 and everyone thinks it's a faddish gimmick.

I mean how hard is it to turn the wheel yourself??


TheGeniusTheGenius - 1/4/2007 11:51:37 PM
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It is true that it is a gimmick, but Lexus doesn't care. It generates "some buzz": free marketing which gets people to look at the car. I think that's excellent marketing that BMW, Audi and Benz can learn from. Have any of you actually witnessed a real-life demo (not some of the funny videos floating around or Lexus's official video which not surprisingly makes it look useful)? If you haven't, please do so and determine for yourself. There's a mode for parallel parking and another for just entering an open (non-parallel) spot. The latter is completely useless as it takes too long to setup for a spot you just literally need to drive into. Conceptually, the parallel mode makes sense, but the real problem is the 6+ feet of space you need to get the parallel park to work which is almost pointless. In real-life situations, I would guess that under 2 feet is where most drivers are likely to need assistance not 6+ feet of space. In addition, the car can't do the back and forth required to sort out the really tight spots. In places like New York City where empty parking spots are hotely contested, a spot with an extra 6 feet of space will be taken by someone driving in head-first while you're fiddling around with the feature.. However, if Lexus can get it to work in what appears to be challenging parking situations for most people, cut park setup time to 2 or 3 secs (and I believe they can get there), it may not be very useful for surburbanites, but will be for people that hang around places like NYC. VW got around these challenges when they demo'd self-parking in NYC Central park a decade and half ago by having all 4 tyres turn when parking. I'm a bit surprised Lexus didn't copy that!!

Video:
http://www.hr-online.de/website/specials/iaa/zukunft_gesucht12888.jsp?rubrik=12888&key=standard_kolumne_9247936&mediakey=allgemein/20050820_iaa89_zukunft&type=v






S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 1/5/2007 1:08:55 AM
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Will, please, stop kidding yourself.


BillBill - 1/5/2007 7:20:48 AM
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I hate to break this to you, Will, but you're the one driving a rebadged Toyota.


answeranswer - 1/5/2007 12:09:34 PM
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Inferring that "the rich" would not drive a Lexus is silly.

Bill Gates = Lexus LS owner.

Case closed.



BuzzBuzz - 1/5/2007 6:20:41 PM
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The reality is that there is a huge market out there for wealthy people who just don't love cars. They like luxury, and silence, and reliability, and refinement but do not car about handling, acceleration or flash. They do not want to drive the car of a plutocrat, or show off their wealth. For these people, the Lexus is perfect and is the reason why the manufacturer is so successful. Not everybody wants to be sideways round a corner at 120mph, or cruise the boulevards in a car that costs the same as most people's houses. Some wear the label on the outside of their jacket, others on the inside.


RupertRupert - 1/5/2007 9:51:56 PM
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Lexus is for people who aren't as self-centered and egotistic.

will, thats you being influenced by popular idea. you've been drawn in by marketing. you never know, lexus drivers could be just as arrogant as bmws supposedly are, and bmw drivers could all be saints. and will, people prefer prestige badges on everything? ever heard the phrase "Life's a catwalk"? would your wife prefer a prada bag or a walmart bag? holiday in miami or australia? lexus or toyota? ikea or hand made in italy? and yes, prestige badges do make people feel go about themselves! a car is one of the most expensive purchases you will make, you want it to show off you personality and wealth!


BuzzBuzz - 1/5/2007 9:10:31 PM
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The highest standard of driving in the world is in Germany, I've found - it's harder to get a driver's license there, and I suppose if you're travelling at 250kmh on an autobahn, you'd need a fair level of competence. Still, the average car in Germany is substantially newer and better built than the average Australian one, so maybe it all levels out in the end. Why do you guys feel the need to harrass each other over your preferences?


BuzzBuzz - 1/7/2007 4:50:04 PM
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Lexus is not just successful in America - it's doing very well in Australia (up nearly 20% for 2006), and the sales of LS460 in Japan are unprecendented. Lexus just doesn't have the history yet to become established in Europe, but it will happen. Money talks, and Lexus has plenty of that.


BuzzBuzz - 1/8/2007 2:03:27 AM
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Yes, actually they do - Australia is one of the most mature auto markets in the world, with a very broad representation of manufacturers from around the world, high per capita income, relatively cheap fuel, and developed infrastructure. Australian design and manufacturing is exported around the world too.


BuzzBuzz - 1/8/2007 6:08:27 PM
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Of course I'm serious. Many manufacturers are now using Australia as a test case to determine whether new models will be successful globally - the last one I heard about was Fiat, with their plans to become a genuine competitor to VW around the world. If an automaker can be successful in Australia, they have a good chance elsewhere as our market is highly competitive. We do know about cars - we manufacture them, we race them, we buy them. Thanks for your constructive response...


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