2008 Jetta Sedan Will Be First To Bring Bluetec To The Masses

No, Bluetec means it is for sale in all 50 states. But the new Jetta TDI is likely to be very fuel efficient as well. Excellent news that it is a 2008 MY, it might come earlier than expected.

it is a very clean diesel engine

Bluetec is the name given to the system(s) used to clean the exhaust/emissions produced from the diesel engines. Like the article states, VW smaller engines, 4cyl. don't need Bluetec, but apparently the 6 through 12 cyl. do and as such those will be using Bluetec Treatments. Seems as though they just want to get the Bluetec name and VW out in the open

Well, the new Common Rail Jetta Diesel should be super fuel efficient. I think that the 2008 Volkswagen Jetta TDI will have fuel economy ratings not far/matching/if not better than the 2008 Toyota Prius. Adjusted for equal content (True Delta) as the TDI comes equipped better, the TDI is about 1,500 more currently. So, at most the Bluetec would be about 2,500 extra, something its much superior fuel economy would make up pretty quickly.

Actually, diesels are better for long distance traveling than hybrids. Hybrids are better for in town driving because of the stop and go driving. The braking recharges the batteries and the gas motor is not used as much.

sorry misread your post.

I would definitely get one if VW had a better reliability record.

Once (if) they shut down their Mexico plant, they will have a better reliability record.

I didn't know VW was having problems with the redesigned Golf, Jettas, or Passats could you give some insight. The SUV had issues in the beginning, don't know or haven't heard that they still are. I would realy like some information about them as well. The reliability surveys for them won't be out for another 3 or 4 years.

Yep, the latest generation, MKV and B6 cars haven't had significant reliability problems.

There is a potential for loss of break boost, kinda like old cars. Sure nothing good about it. BUT nothing compared to Toyota having to recall more than 1/2 million vehicles because of worn ball joints that have led to get this, ACCIDENTS AND INJURIES.

huu76 back to the topic above please

So is this better or worse than the redisigned 2007 Camry transmission failures http://blogs.edmunds.com/karl/Comments/198 http://www.lemonlawclaims.com/toyota_camry_surge_problem.htm

So, now it's ok to justify the first batch of Camry's, so that makes it ok. What consitutes a batch in the first place and for that matter I guess it can be said that since the Golf, Jetta, and Passat are new, any problems they may have is ok as well.

ok, I am talking about the newest models of VW cars, I want to know if they've been as problematic as the older ones. That's what I am asking. Now, I see why Toyota and other Japanese car makers get this percieved image of reliability, because people refuse to see that times change, other carmakers that may or have been unreliable can start making reliable cars. As seen by Toyota's latest recalls, or whatever problems they are having, you can't stay at the top forever.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Daily_Auto_News/Toyota_in_Massive_Recall.S173.A11775.html

And what is wrong with VW as a company, since you state it's not just the cars?

Toyota isn't too hot either, they don't have one product with a wow, that's hot factor, nothing that stands out.

So you still did not answer my question. Can toyota put out unreliable cars..and now you're telling me that even though Toyota has recalls, that does not make them unreliable. Wow...are you serious? So Subaru and Maserati are the reliability kings, not Toyota, hmm...Oh my Ferrari, Kia, Mazda, I guess toyota reliability has gone down then..I have my answer after all, thank you...

Oh and the camry is not hot..nobody says, ooh, I have to get one of those..it's nothing to look at, it doesn't handle, ad it's just basic, cheap, reliable transportation, pure and simple....toyota does not have a hot vehicle in their lineup, and that includes scion and lexus..

ok champ, you provided the link about recalls, I pointed out to you the same line you played me with, only with other manufacturers..so it still stands that toyota makes some lemons, regardless of how many, they are still lemons and toyota still has recalls, like everyone else. the problem is, your type of thinking is why certain manufacturers have this hyped up reliabilty score...you fail to acknowledge they make lemons..

and the other champ, a recall is a recall, shall we talk about avalons, es300's 350's....they were unreliable..face it, toyota's throne is coming down and other car manufacturers are starting to make cars just as reliable...

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/396700 japantoday has too many articles to list about toyota and it's recalls..it's horrid that people continue to be blinded by reality, toyota's reliablilty is starting to falter...others are gaining up, vw included...recall after fires after recalls, toyota refusing to accept responsibility for its shady engineering..should I list information on that as well?

now I am retarded, please do not call me names, respect my opinion just like I respect yours, we just agree to disagree...thank you champ, talk about the cars please.

a fool would be believing that a manufacturer can do no wrong and not being open the facts that other manufacturers can improve their products.

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Just a few issues from real owners

Somone stated that the VW, and many of the smaller new, clean diesels do not need BlueTec to meet fifty-state compliance.

This is completely false. Many people confuse BlueTec with urea-injection. Urea-injection is one advanced, BlueTec system to reduce NOx that will be used in larger displacement engines. Another BlueTec system only works well for smaller displacement and does not require the use of urea-injection, but does require the use of advanced, expensive, oxidative catlyst systems to reduce NOx. In fact, the system used in the new E320 BlueTec--which is not urea-injection--and thus, does not meet fifty-state compliance; and the system that will be applied to the new VW Jetta TDI--which will meet compliance for fifty states since it will be employed in smaller displacement; are more expensive devices than the urea-injection systems.

To restate the last post, BlueTec is not one system design to reduce NOx (i.e. urea-injection); it is actually a couple of different systems developed by Bosch and Daimler Chrysler. DCs competitors may use the actual technologies developed by them and Bosch, or they can use their own. In either case, DC, VW, and Audi have agreed to share the name for the cleanest of diesel vehicles which will be approved in all fifty states.

The mess up was that DC thought the MB E320 BlueTec (not urea-injection) would meet fifty state compliance, when, in fact, it came up just short; not being able to reduce NOx--90% in just one year. Only 85%, NOx reduction with PM reduced 90%. I would say that was a pretty tall achievement for diesel technology, though most folks still--unknowingly--regard these new diesels as dirty, even as they outperform comparable, gas engines in most emission categories.

Someone said they should bite the bullet and build a hybrid.

Well some of us don't want gas-electric hybrids, unless they are DHEVs. I can't run biodiesel in a hybrid; only 10% ethanol at a 2% fuel economy loss.

Yes ULSD loses 2% BTUs, but it is still higher than gasoline, and biodiesel is 1 1/2 times that of ethanol, and my engine doesn't have to be a special design or require modification to run any blend I want of alternative fuel.

I think that people who chose ultra-clean diesels with higher energy fuel than that of spark-ignition fuels and use blends of biodiesel to further displace petroleum and improve air quality; have nothing to answer to folks who chose hybrid technologies.

Hybrid fanatics need to argue against sports car enthusiasts and monster truck drivers, and not worry about clean-diesel enthusiasts who will achieve similar, petroleum-reducing results as themselves.

I use electric and some use gas to heat their homes. I guess we should all bite the bullet and use electric, since that is what I use.

I've been running ULSD, combined with 20% biodiesel for two months in my 2006 New Jetta TDI. Still get 44 mpg, 70% highway driving. No change. So much for the worse fuel economy theory with ULSD. Diesels still rule, in the real world that we are all forced to drive in. In the EPA world, hybrids rule. Sure wish we could live in the EPA world; I'd get a hybrid.

I've noticed Toyota is advertising that highly-elusive fuel economy rating of 60 mpg in the Prius, even as they had previously conceded that was overrated.