Autobild: Mercedes-Benz S450 vs Lexus LS460 (PART II)

The comparison we've all been waiting for: Lexus LS460 vs Mercedes-Benz S450, PART II

In this comparison, the following criteria were tested: CHASSIS, COSTS and DRIVING DYNAMICS. Below are the highlights.


If you recall, the Lexus narrowly beat the S-Class in the first comparsion because of the collission avoidance system it had. Here, the Mercedes S-Class exploited the poor braking of the LS and the wobbly handling to secure the win. Both cars were pretty equally matched though.

So, Autobild starts out by saying that the S-Class makes a great start here with the braking distance. The S-Class stops a full 2 meters earlier than the LS from 100-0 km/h. They also said that the S450 was more relaxing to drive. The S450 has the better engine response, handles much better and is more agile than the somewhat heavy-feeling Lexus LS460. More important, the steering of the S-Class was cited as being direct and responsive, the LS steering on the other hand was vague with almost no feedback.

Suspension wise, both cars offer class-leading technology and comfort, but the S-Class is much better. Autobild stated that when riding in the S-Class, you don't feel a thing. The same applies to the Lexus, but the S-Class has the added benefit of a slightly sportier suspension setup that still manages to better the purely comfort-biased suspension setup of the Lexus. What's more amazing, the S-Class has better comfort despite having 19" rims compared to the LS's 18" rims. However, when you select COMFORT MODE on the LS's air suspension, it becomes a much softer ride and very quiet too (but handling worsens).

The S-Class is more of a driver's car while the LS is clearly a chauffeur-oriented machine. Both cars offer impressive rear passenger space, with the Mercedes offering slightly more. Autobild also criticized the LS's rear saying that despite the massive measurements of the car, the LS offers at most space for two adults at the rear - a third one will make things tight. The reason for this are the rear doors, which are thick and minimize the amount of space at the back.

The S-Class offers the bigger luggage compartment too. 550 liters compared to the LS's 505 liter luggage compartment. Putting heavy suitcases into the trunk is also easier in the S-Class than the LS. Also, the LS460 weighs 2,155 kg and this means it can only take on board a pathetic 340 kg of extra weight (including passengers). As Autobild put it: "When four adult males use an LS to go to the airport, they need to rent a taxi to transport their luggage. Embarassing." The Mercedes S450 weighs 2,020 kg and can take onboard a hefty 525 kg of extra weight. A big bonus for the S-Class.

The LS interior is a nice place to be. The quality of materials and workmanship is top notch. Autobild found the materials of the center console to be on the cheap side, which sort of ruined the atmosphere as a whole. On the Mercedes, leather, navigation and DVD systems have to be ordered extra, but the interior is much better built than the Lexus, and so are the quality of materials used. Older drivers might need some time to adjut to the new COMAND operating methods on the Mercedes though. Still, it is much easier to use and operate than BMW's i-Drive. Despite this, using the cockpit of the Mercedes properly takes time. Lexus on the other hand relies on old fashioned push-buttons. Getting what you want is easier and quicker in the Lexus, but the vast amounts of buttons (over 100!) equally take time to figure out, especially their location.

Both the Mercedes and Lexus have impressive V8 engines. The LS460's 4.6-l V8 engine sounds a little more awake and aggressive than the 4.7-l V8 of the Mercedes, probably due to the extra 40-horsepower but also because of the 8-speed transmission, which always finds the correct gear. The LS transmission also works smoothly: can't be heard or felt. The promised fuel economy however was never obtained, no matter how much Autobild tried.

The 340-horsepower of the S-Class are also topfit. The S450 trails the LS460 from 0-200 km/h, but it is close. Despite the power disadvantage, the S450 feels almost as fast as the bigger S550, thanks in part to the equally excellent 7Gtronic 7-speed automatic transmission.

At 79,254 Euros, the S450 is actually cheaper than the LS460 (82,000 Euro). However, once you equip the S450 with some useful options, it'll be 8,000 Euros more expensive than the Lexus. On the other hand, the Lexus guarantee against rust is only 12 years while Mercedes is 30 years. The Mercedes is slightly more fuel efficient and has a longer range.

FAZIT: The Lexus is a worthy competitor and Mercedes should stay alert. The Lexus isn't perfect though, the poor brakes, short maintenance intervals (every 15,000 km) and poor onboard carryable weight are serious handicaps. The Mercedes S-Class remains the benchmark in this class. Excellent comfort, a lot of space, fine build quality and materials and a responsive engine: no weaknesses.


FINAL SCORE

1st Place: Mercedes S450 498/600 points
2nd Place: Lexus LS460 484/600 points


THE SCANS

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What surprised me the most was that the 340-hp S450 was able to keep up with the 380-hp LS460 so well. I know the S550 is the true competitor to the LS460, but I assume Autobild selected the S450 based on price. Take a look at the acceleration figures and see how close it was. In terms of comfort, both cars again were top notch, with the S-Class marginally taking the crown.


ACCELERATION

Lexus LS460: 0-100 km/h = 6.4 seconds, 0-200 km/h = 23 seconds

Mercedes S450: 0-100 km/h = 6.5 seconds, 0-200 km/h = 25.2 seconds


BRAKING

Lexus LS460: 100-0 km/h COLD = 39.4 m
100-0 km/h WARM = 38.5 m
200-0 km/h = 159.3 m

Mercedes S450: 100-0 km/h COLD = 37.6 m
100-0 km/h WARM = 36.5 m
200-0 km/h = 152.3 m




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M53RM53R - 2/15/2007 9:14:09 AM
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ah ha ha ha he ha ha ...... lexus, striving to be german ;)

Btw this is part 2 of the comparison you lexus fan boys were bragging about.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/15/2007 9:47:32 AM
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What happened to my comment?!!!! It was so good!


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/15/2007 10:39:57 AM
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These are all things that I've been saying!

"Autobild stated that when riding in the S-Class, you don't feel a thing. The same applies to the Lexus, but the S-Class has the added benefit of a slightly sportier suspension setup that still manages to better the purely comfort-biased suspension setup of the Lexus. What's more amazing, the S-Class has better comfort despite having 19" rims compared to the LS's 18" rims."

That means that they both have comfort- and in most cases, the S has even better comfort. But it also has great handling!




S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 2/15/2007 10:41:15 AM
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I was also going to say...

"The LS interior is a nice place to be. The quality of materials and workmanship is top notch. Autobild found the materials of the center console to be on the cheap side, which sort of ruined the atmosphere as a whole. On the Mercedes, leather, navigation and DVD systems have to be ordered extra, but the interior is much better built than the Lexus, and so are the quality of materials used."

Yes. I've been right all along.

And the fact that the 335hp S450 is only 0.1 second slower than the 380hp LS460 says something.


silverarrow2silverarrow2 - 2/15/2007 10:48:53 AM
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I will buy the Benz any day..The look, reputation, the name etc.

I will only take the Lexus if I'm on a very tight budjet, but have to drive a luxury car.




RupertRupert - 2/15/2007 11:40:05 AM
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service every 15000 km? that's pathetically short.
and it can only carry 340kg? that's quite low, can't take 5 people at all, and only 20 kgs (one large-ish suitcase) of luggage with 4 80 kg people (80 Kg is 176 pounds, or 12 stone 7 pounds).


BillBill - 2/15/2007 11:55:23 AM
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I was wondering about that aspect as well. Basically, four to five adults can be transported, but without their luggage because of the limited load capacity. Now that is EMBARASSING.


EL34EL34 - 2/15/2007 12:26:57 PM
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It's a complete victory for the Mercedes S-Class.

I truly believe.


Autoegr525Autoegr525 - 2/15/2007 7:32:31 PM
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wow your life must really suck


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 2/17/2007 9:05:59 PM
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it's a lexus vs. mercedes comparison. and the mercedes won despite all the constant claims from lexus fans about how much superior the lexus is. once again, these cars don't really compare. people buy lexus for quality, quietness and value. they buy mercedes for design, comfort/handling balance and, yes, quality. not to mention that the LS buyers is 10 years older than the typical S buyer.


answeranswer - 2/15/2007 12:53:18 PM
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So the LS won round 1 and the S class narrowly takes round two.

Big deal.

Both are nice cars. I'm sorry if some people don't understand that.


WillisWillis - 2/15/2007 12:56:15 PM
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Well said.

Both the LS and S class are class leaders. You want a little sport and excitement and an emotional aspect, get the S class. You want value, reliability and comfort, get the LS.

Me persnally, I'm loving the Audi A8.


RupertRupert - 2/15/2007 3:30:50 PM
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well if you want to carry 4 people and luggage, you can't get the LS.


autoproautopro - 2/15/2007 3:36:49 PM
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Its like saying the bears are better than the colts, just look at the scoreboard. Remimber opinions are like a-holes everybody has one.


trd1trd1 - 2/15/2007 5:41:59 PM
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why are you guys now all saying oh the s-class is way better then the ls460. when ls460 won first time around you guys were like oh its BS. you guys always think whatever you think is right.


RupertRupert - 2/15/2007 5:55:03 PM
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the s class is best...the day a new s class isn't best is the day the world stops turning.


WorldHondaWorldHonda - 2/16/2007 1:03:24 AM
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Did they weigh the L.S? according to specs either on their original site http://www.lexus.com/models/LS/detailed_specifications.html or Carfolio: http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=148445&Lexus-specifications

it does not pass 2000kg curb/kerb weight but Big Benz does(i am not saying its bad): http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=146861&Mercedes-Benz-specifications

who can you trust?..servicing and maintenance depends on your driving style, so to say 15,000km is short intervals does, that really mean its short?(actually recommended is 10,000miles(roughly 16,000km) or year) according to Mercedes "Every vehicle requires regular servicing - your Mercedes-Benz passenger car is no exception."
http://www.mercedes-benz.ie/content/ireland/mpc/mpc_ireland_website/en/mpc_splashpage/home/home/services/car_services/passenger_cars/mobilolife/requirements.html

explanation of warranty is not very clear.
There are basic warranty and ones you can "renew"
http://www.lexus.com/models/LS/warranty/index.html
lexus basic warranty is =or+ to mercedes, go compare yourself....
S class is class leading Luxury car but people who can afford it don't know much about it and you have the people who can't afford it which yaps all about it, give yourself a break, Lexus isn't dominant yet in the luxo world but its grabbing much peoples attention that there is an alternative affordable luxury car that is near on par with the leader, with many standards that don't cost you grands, i really do recommend the LS to whoever can afford one here, if there's any but me?:)


2JZSoarer2JZSoarer - 2/16/2007 1:44:36 AM
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I'll take an LS460 anyday over an S450.
What a rip off on the S-class,you pretty much have to pay extra money for every feature,because if you don't you will end up with a car with less features than a Dodge Neon!!


BillBill - 2/16/2007 5:09:38 AM
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S-Class a rip off?

Pretty embarassing how an S450 can keep up with the LS460. Pretty weak on the LS's part that it can transport four to five average sized males WITHOUT their luggage. From my standpoint, it looks like the LS is the RIP OFF.


M53RM53R - 2/16/2007 11:01:52 AM
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Id love to see a comparison between a lexus ls460 and a bmw 318i then.....


RupertRupert - 2/16/2007 6:51:45 PM
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goldsmith that is such an ignorant and offensive post.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 2/17/2007 9:09:26 PM
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this is a discussion about cars. NOT political history. please keep your inappropriate and viscious comments to yourself. or just get off the site.


loveu63loveu63 - 2/18/2007 12:24:50 PM
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this is wrong information about the acceleration the mercedes 0-100 in 5.9 seconds not 6.5 and the lexus is 5.8 not 6.4 altough the numbers are really close so the mercedes is the better choice and the lexus is 40 horse pwer more than the mercedes and it was close what about the s550 engine, what will it do with the ls460???????? can anyone answer me from lexus fans???


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/7/2007 5:33:01 PM
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It's 0-62.


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