Who Is Faster? The Legends Of The 60's Or Todays Grocery Getters?

Who Is Faster?  The Legends Of The 60's Or Todays Grocery Getters?
What was the Heyday of automotive performance

What was the Heyday of automotive performance? The longtime enthusiasts will have you believe the 1960’s with big block 427 Chevys or the awesome Shelby Mustangs.

 

But a quick look at 0-60 times of over 1800 entries in the 0-60 database from the 60’s to today show us, that we are living in that heyday right now. To further add insult to injury we are doing it with smaller engines pushing more horsepower than the big guns of the 60’s!

 

To give a better perspective below is a general summary of 0-60 times broken down by decades for reference:

 

 

 

Avg

Era

Samples

0-60

1960's

46

8.75

1970's

218

11.39

1980's

468

10.03

1990's

780

7.69

2000's

288

6.17

 

While the 60’s only 46 samples to go by, many of these entries are the faster muscle cars indicative of the performance era. As the 70’s emissions controls took effect we saw a massive degradation on both 0-60 times, but by the 90’s the industry had come full circle and overall performance had surpassed the muscle car era. The trend also continues into this decade with cars that are overall the fastest we have historically seen.

 

Through the peak and valleys of the decades, the fastest back then still can stand the test of time, and by even today’s standards are pretty respectable.

 

Era

Fastest 0 to 60

1960's

4.60

1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C

1970's

5.00

1979 Porsche 930 Turbo

1980's

4.70

1987 Buick Regal GNX

1990's

3.40

1999 Porsche 911 GT1

2000's

3.10

2002 Mosler MT900 Photon

 

 

Even looking at these figures really doesn’t tell the whole picture. Here are few indicators of how far the industry has actually progressed and put thing in perspective:

 

Did you know that the legendary that 1970 Corvette 427 can easily be dispatched by a modern 2003 Dodge Neon SRT-4 in a 0-60 match by half a second?

How about a 1988 Ferrari Mondial getting spanked in a 0-60 match by a garden variety Ford Mustang GT V6 driven by a cheerleader?

Think a 1973 Dodge Charger with the huge 440 might fare better? Well a Lexus 2006 IS250 can match it in quite a bit more comfort.

 

Sometimes memories are fonder than reality.


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rg12345rg12345 - 3/7/2007 4:43:43 PM
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That's valid in any comparison on earth. What ever is about in cars or computers or life in general. Everything today is faster and better (with more features) than 50 years ago. Think about the regular light bulb, improved maybe by 50 times than 100 years ago. That progress .. humanity will keep progressing until something will stop us.


NeverfollowNeverfollow - 3/7/2007 5:13:17 PM
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You are correct in almost every area except aircraft. Some of the records set by such legendary aircraft as the X9, SR71 Blackbird, and even the Concorde have never been broken and probably never will be. No one is even trying to do so.

Sure, there have been massive developments in making fighter aircraft cruise more efficiently at Mach speeds, manuverability, stealth, and smart weapons but they really don't go much faster than they did back in the 60's.

In the area of Commercial aircraft, we've seen improvements in range, capacity and efficiency but again, not speed. Since the retirement of the Concorde, we've actually gone backwards on that front.

Satellites have more or less replaced spy aircraft such as the SR71 so there isn't much need for highflying, superfast spyplanes any more. Besides, when or if we really need one, we can just go down to Tucson AZ or Columbus OH and fire one back up. They are still around if we ever need one.


Autoegr525Autoegr525 - 3/7/2007 5:37:41 PM
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Those averages are BS. In order to claim average accelerations you need to take into account how many of each model are on the road. I.E. a camry would need to be weighted more than a Corvette. Then you would have an accurate picture of how fast the average car is. Whoever crunched all those numbers waisted a lot of their time to come up with some useless garbage.


Agent009Agent009 - 3/7/2007 11:51:37 PM
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The figures hold up pretty well. I did some checking against Motor Trend, Car and Driver and Road and Track and the figures are pretty much spot on.

You said we should average all of the cars on the road at that time? How do you even know what is on the road at given time even today? This is probably a fairly accurate example of what was available then and how it stacks up.


Threepoint1415926Threepoint1415926 - 3/8/2007 2:41:40 PM
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I think what he's saying is that if there are 100 Camrys for every corvette on the road, then the mean acceleration time of todays cars is closer to the Camrys than the corvettes. To that point, I agree. The same then would be said for different decades. The further back in time you go, the harder it is to acquire accurate estimates on this affect. Further, this idea does not take into account diversity limits. If there are 100 niche supercar makers each with one car on the road, are they simply averaged with the rest of the vehicles?


Que45Que45 - 3/7/2007 5:42:53 PM
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Engines have more technology to make them efficent. However I think increased track times have just as much to do with using lighter materials to make the car and chassis


drew630drew630 - 3/7/2007 5:47:40 PM
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Yeah, and cars of today are half the size and half the weight, but nowhere near has fun!!


EL34EL34 - 3/7/2007 7:07:07 PM
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WWII American fighters were incredible fast machines, but they couldn't hold a candle to todays jets.

Same with cars.

BTW, during 1973 was the oil embargo and the American manufactures began lowering the HP because of rising gas prices.

During the 60's gas rose like 10 cents the entire decade and you could fill your car up for less than 3 bucks.


stonestone - 3/7/2007 7:43:38 PM
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I would attribute a great deal to the technological advances we have made in tires. We have been able to make big horsepower for a long time although we continually make gains in efficiency. Putting power to the ground effectively has been and to a certain extent is still a major factor in automotive performance as opposed to say aircraft...

Stone


Agent009Agent009 - 3/7/2007 11:52:37 PM
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Exactly...


no1fleetguyno1fleetguy - 3/7/2007 10:39:09 PM
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pin a 'longtime enthusiast' to the wall and he'll probably admit that looking back on the 'good times' of the muscle car 60's is like remembering high school. we tend to only remember the good points, not the days in detention and fights in the parking lot. theres a romance to those cars thats beyond the actual numbers, yes todays cars are more effiecient ie powerfull, safer, last longer and require less upkeep, but i didnt get ma first piece 'o tail in the back of an accord! my ole cougar kept me busy wrenching it, it had wind noise like a tornado, rattled itself apart and there was a hole in the floor, but it was bitchen!!


no1fleetguyno1fleetguy - 3/7/2007 10:44:44 PM
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take a good look at an old 60's era firestone redline tire and think of how many young rodders were doing just stupid speeds on those, then remember that just inside of those of so unsafe looking tires were some drum brakes! hard bench seats with sometimes no seat belts at all, and a 2 foot steering wheel! its amazing that there are any longtime enthusiasts still around when you really think about it! sure cars today have raised the bar, but going to costco in my accord aint nuthin like it was going to alpha-beta market in my ole cougar!


germeezy2germeezy2 - 3/8/2007 1:07:27 AM
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I think alot of it comes down to gearing and available traction. Hell the 69 ZL-1 Vette ran 10.80's bone stock other than the M & H slicks


XYZZXYZZ - 3/8/2007 3:26:14 AM
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i actually LIVED thru the '60s, '70s, etc.

give me a modern car anytime! (i'll also enjoy driving a classic, but just for cruising, NOT speed!)


XYZZXYZZ - 3/8/2007 5:14:41 AM
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with today's traffic densities, 0 - 60 times aren't that big a deal anyway! i much prefer HANDLING to absolute accelerative ability.

how much time does one actually SPEND accelerating? how much time cruising at steady speeds?

the other day, i zapped a line of about 8 - 10 cars, and i never exceeded 35 mph! (my forte is timing and positioning to synch with synchronized signals. i often "blow off peoples' doors" at speeds as low as 10 mph-- they're at 0 waiting for a green i anticipated 40 yards back!)


rg12345rg12345 - 3/8/2007 3:46:49 PM
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You can't do that all the time. Usually the both lanes have allready one car each, how do you do then? We can't jump/fly with our cars, not yet.


2JZSoarer2JZSoarer - 3/9/2007 12:32:15 AM
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I think that a Lancer EVO would kill any muscle car in a road track!!


XYZZXYZZ - 3/18/2007 4:42:35 AM
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"We can't jump/fly with our cars, not yet."

actually, one of my previous cars enjoyed the nickname, "The Flying Frog!" ;)



XYZZXYZZ - 3/18/2007 5:02:42 AM
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actually, i do this QUITE OFTEN.

possible due to the unique location: 3-lane one way, with most traffic going straight or turning right. small percentage turn left. road narrows to 2, then 1 lane, so most people always favor the #1 lane.


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