Ultimate Aero hoping to break Bugatti’s top speed record of 253 mph

I hope the aero can do it and cost a lot less,bugatti is way over priced and ugly

I just don't know how to respond.

This Veyron is a masterpiece of all things automotive.

I don't see how anyone would see this as more appealing than the Veyron.

"The Veyron"

I don't either.

The bugatti (VW) is a technical marvel but it is ugly and overpriced,cost=+-1million euro Koenigsegg ccx =+-half 1mill

The Koenig is a nice car, but it is no Engineering Marvel, that is exactly what the Bugatti is, an Engineering Marvel, with 4 Turbos and loads of other things, it was the first what I consider super "super-car" to be released. The car costed loads in R&D (Research & Development) and they are selling it for a loss I am sure to the public.

I see it as art. This new Ultimate Aero, probably wont be cheap either, maybe not as much as the Bugatti, because they are working off of the original platform, but the Bugatti was something that was developed from scratched to accomplish what it has.

bmfan
this would be a modified version and not the production
how much will the "motified" version cost

The Ultimate Aero when I first saw it basically reminded me of a Lambo Diablo, just with some new lights. Its the exact same exterior, compare them, and you will see not much has changed.

Excluding design i give the motor no excuse,it's easy to take a big motor and bolt on 4 turbo's to get power,just look at hennesey 1000bhp from 8litres. Jun in japan had to work hard to get a 1000bhp from 3,2 litres(supra) or a company in the uk that got +700bhp from 2,0litres(subaru)+(mitsu evo7).

Yea but to tune it to make it the fastest is another thing.

"In a speed race, if the McLaren F1 were allowed to reach 120 mph before the Bugatti started, the Bugatti would still be the first to reach 200 mph" - Jeremy Clarkson

And to make it completely usable everyday, in traffic, and to make it to the same tolerances as a Bentley engine, is amazing. I doubt you could take this car round town or even for a long journey without breaking something.

Do you know how much VW spent developing the Veyron project?

Hundreds of millions, possibly even billions, of dollars.

I'd eat my words if I were you. The Veyron is a marvel of engineering.

It's not "easy to take a big motor and bolt on 4 turbo's to get power."

You sound like a dipshit.

Yeah, any stupid engine can produce 1000 hp .. for a couple minutes. It's harder to make that in an every day car, driven on a regular basis. Without doing a service every 2 days. I have friends with toyotas or hondas producing over 600 hp, but they only take them to drive a few days / year. And they still break from time to time.

Glad that I am not alone on this.

Saw that aswell,McLaren is over a decade old,but still my favourite supercar.i know it looks like diablo,i wouldn't want one. Bristol in the uk is working on a 1000bhp fighter T that cost +-350000pounds should do 270+,use's viper V10,many people are trying to beat the veyron and coming close,it took ten years to beat the McLaren.

The aero looks like a diablo not the McLaren.

It's a VW engine,two V8's joined to make 1.

VW say the bugatti is sold at a loss,then how are they going to save bugatti,if they make no profit,that's just stupid business.

Porsche wants to kill Bugatti.

But do you know the history of the brand? Used to be one of the best sports car makers ever-- of course, they're at the top again. VW is a master with high-end brands; I wonder why they themselves can't achieve success in some markets?

After thinking about what I have read before, and realizing that technology scaling does not impress me, I am not so sure I can list an innovation of the Bugatti. Perhaps someone here will be able to provide a true technological uniqueness about the car. I would imagine that the biggest problem is cooling the engine. What does the Bugatti have again, 10 radiators? That is not innovation.
This reminds me of something which my professor, the one with the Star-Wars class laser, asked in class a few years ago: “Are you contributing or just adding complexity?”

As far as the Ultimate Aero’s design: a lot of supercars look similar in a way: the Diablo[sort of], the Jaguar Xj220 [sort of] , McLaren F1 [They are actually very similar, and in addition the doors open exactly the same way as the Ultimate Aero]. The Bugatti is sufficiently different: ugly, but different.

If the Veyron is viewed as not having innovation, then what is?

Fast. That however is not predicated upon innovation. All I want is a specific innovation: the application of new technology to solve a problem. That is what innovation is. Innovation is not the scaling of existing technologies; it is not wrought through results, although usually it affects them.

If scaling is what you want, all it takes is a call to Rolls Royce Group plc [not motorcars] and they will pretty much build you the biggest damned internal combustion or jet engine you want.

I mean, I'm an engineer, and as a result I am one nitpicky bastard in many ways. All I want is a list. Prove it to me, show me.... don't tell me what it is, I'm too smart for that.

Oh I just registered one word in there that changes the meaning. What is innovative? The Automotive industry is generally not: they borrow their technologies. A lot of innovation occurs in the Aerospace industry. The Petroleum industry we innovate a lot.

For a more specific example; tiltmeters that was an innovation. The problem when we fracture subsurface formations usually by causing localized hydraulic pressure in excess of the net pressure [i.e. the minimum horizontal stress plus the pore pressure] to actually knowing what is going on subsurface. When this condition is met a fracture propagates orthogonal to sigma 3, [parallel to sigma 2]. Now a tiltmeter is a device that uses some internal electronics and some very very sensitive equipment to sense the heave of the earth. simple right. They are so sensitive that they can measure the direction of the fracture created 10,000 ft subsurface on only .25 inches across. The earths surface heaves in a certain geometry [a mass balance thing] which allows the direction to be determined.

As an aside the equipment is so sensitive that it has to be left on site for usually a few days to weeks before the fracture is done in order to account for Earth tides. Yes, there are earth tides just as there are tides in the ocean.

"I mean, I'm an engineer, and as a result I am one nitpicky bastard in many ways. All I want is a list. Prove it to me, show me.... don't tell me what it is, I'm too smart for that."

cdoke- get off your high horse you jack@ss, if your so smart figure it out for your self! That might be the biggest jack@ss comment i have ever seen on this site!

cdoke, we understand your an engineer. I am currently studying to be an engineer. But there is no reason for you to be smug, "I am too smart for that", that comment alone shows me you have no respect for your peers, and probably don't act as a Professional Engineer should. Second of all, your first comment on innovation was enough, you do not have to roll into your thesis on tilt meters to get your point across, after all this is an automotive website.

As an aside, being smug is marked by excessive complacency or self-satisfaction; "cdoke was being smug about his knowledge, and it was sickening his lack of respect."

Its all sales pitch ,for the price of a veyron i would rather have a Zonda F,M5,M3,a exige for trackdays and have lots of change. Veyron overpriced

yeah overpriced for you, but a person who buys one probaly will have those same cars you listed also. I hate when people say supercars are overpriced, they are not made for the average person, they are made for the rich and for them they are not overpriced!

Had I the disposable income, I probably wouldn't buy a Veyron, either, but that doesn't mean I don't respect it. It's bewildering to me that you don't appreciate the vehicle for what it is.

No, it's not "overpriced." In fact, as you stated, VW sells it at a loss- it's underpriced. I'd say having the most-engineered vehicle of the twentieth (and probably twenty-first) century is worth the extra cash.

Why pay £3952 per a mph when you could pay £1400. You are paying for the name,i have nothing wrong with early bugattis,pre 110b. VW own all their companys to make money not lose money.i know it's not as simple as bolting on 4 turbos. Too many people are buying in to their sales pitch,it's an ugly car,i might not like the 110B but at least it looks better.

It not the most engineered engine,VW learnt how to join two motors when they built a w12 for bentley and themselves.

Between this and the Bugatti Veyron, the Veyron handdown, no if or but. I think the Veyron look so much better than the car above. And this is coming fron a "Lexus" fan.

lol, truly rare, when you see the amount of Lexus fans touting how Lexus can be compared to Ferrari.

if it can out run one of the highway patrol planes.... I'll take one

Horsepower/aerodynamics/right gearing give you the higher top speed,awd will give it superior accelaration(Veyron)-xj220 had very good aerodynamics and right gearing for it's top speed,any longer gearing and it would need more power-McLaren same as jag for the standerd F1(add 400bhp and retest top speed)it has the right gearing to crack 250mph just not the power(no insult).

Where are the track times of a veyron,i want to know cornering speeds and proper accelaration runs ,all i hear is top speed.

Exactly.

The Koenigsegg CCR did "the Ring" in 7:34 and the bugatti in 7:40, which isnt bad since the veyron out weighs the CCR by over 1300LBS.

You guys can't compare a CCX or this Aero to a Veyron . Why? It's Bugatti. Have you seen the car in person yet? It's a masterpiece. As best a car can possibly get in this day and age. It will take a lot to beat this Veyron in passion and engineering. It's precision in the finishing is superb! Like no other. It's not over priced. You know why? How many people own one. People pay the price to be exclusive and that's what you get. It's not the reaction you get when you see a Ferrari or a Lamborghini. When you see a Veyron it will be embedded in your mind forever. A Ferrari or Lambo would be in your mind for a few minutes then it drifts away. A Veyron you will remember.

This Aero reminds me a Diablo

How can a koenigsegg not be a marvel,a small lowish budgett factory producing a 250mph supercar to a multi million£ car maker producing a 250mph supercar at over double the price.(i am not a koenigsegg fan although they did build their own motor for the CCX)

So wait, the Koenigsegg is an engineering marvel, but the Bugatti Veyron is not. I think I can just end the argument here by saying your a bloody fool if you consider the koenig a marvel, and a Veyron not.

The main marketing ploy of VW is the top speed with the name next and then quaility,koenig+maybe the aero prove you do not have to spend so much to do 250,i read evo (a uk mag) which say's and in a comparision between a McLaren and a veyron and i quote-(compared to the McLaren the end result is almost passionless)-(It really is as easy as driving a DSG-equipped Golf GTI).

stop with your bullsh!t, if you had 50 mil in the bank i am 100% positive that you and every one on this site would try to buy one.

The Koenigsegg CCR did "the Ring" in 7:34 and the bugatti in 7:40, which isnt bad since the veyron out weighs the CCR by over 1300LBS.

It's nice to see VW's pr men are on this site defending their huge loss.

If i was going to spend a £1million on a bugatti it would be a royale not a volkswagen W12(concept)rebaged bugatti

If i was going to spend a £1million on a bugatti it would be a royale not a volkswagen W12(concept)rebaged bugatti

If it almost flipped, that means its aerodyanamics were good, but too good, but not having enough downforce. There are Le Mans cars out there, namely porsches and Mercedes that HAVE flipped in the GT1 circuit.

And I am pretty sure they took it through the windtunnel in the beginning, to get it streamlined, and to lower its drag coefficients. You pulling crap out of the air, how they didnt take it to the wind tunnel is just that, crap, on a car that is meant to be the fastest not putting it through wind stream tests would be murder.

If you consider it an engineering flop, I have nothing more to say to you.

Here are some "engineering flops"

BMW V12 LMR - year 2000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdPeROysr5k
Porsche 911 GT1 - year 1998
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM4guvo6Ifo&NR
Mercedes CLK GTR - year 1999
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srYDvV680gk

Now go ahead and insult these top manufacturers for making an engineering flop. These cars were all aerodynamic, and all flipped, however were on top through the years of Le-mans.

Your claim on how the Bugatti Veyron flipped is still just a claim.

I think you should fall somewhere.
Preferably off a high cliff or bridge.

I never said veyron was not a marvel,it's easier for a high budget manufacturer than a low budget one.

Veyron had better traction out of corners than ccx,make it rwd then lets see the difference.

Even if i had a unlimited budget i wouldn't buy a bugatti except maybe a royale,i do not like it,i have always thought it was ugly.

ugly or not you would still buy it if you were a true car enthusiast

Engineering Marvel? HA! You guys believe everything you read. If the Veyron is such a marvel then it would have track times along with the top speed record. VW spent millions and millions of dollars for something that amateurs accomplish on the Salt Flats in Utah. The VW bug is more of an Engineering Marvel then the Veyron.

I'm a hater.

The salt flats are awesome ,that's where Jun(japan) took the 1000bhp supra to do it's run's.

A red and black Veyron is very nice looking, but I still prefer the design of the EB110.

Veyron is a rolling example of innovation. Driving one would be awesome and scary(in a good way).

The acceleration would feel awesome when you can put your foot down,then the rest of the time you are driving a DSG Golf.

Only on this site would someone accost you for asking for clarification.

"if your so smart figure it out for yourself!" Your comment incidentally, presupposes the end. That is just the point as an incidental, I have attempted to find out all I could about it, and innovative. Sure it pushes the current technology envelope: simply because you would have to find places to 10 or so radiators. Innovation is making one radiator act like 10.

I challenge anyone to look "innovation " up.

If you call it innovative, yet cannot provide a list of innovations, I also challege you to rethink your nomenclature.

VinnyP, do not lecture me on engineering ethics. I don't know the last time you actually read the general engineering code of ethics or, in my specific instance, the SPE code of ethics as well, but inside of them you will find that engineers ought provide the general with a better understanding of engineering [Yes, condescending? if you think so] in addition that any analysis be conducted using best judgment and facts, along with an acknowledgement of the shortcomings.

That is all ancillary though in this instance; my comment about being an engineer was meant at an indication of my personality and reverence for the truth.

To say that I don't respect the people on here is laughable. I suggest you go back and think about the intrinsic parts of my message. You don't ask people whom you do not respect to provide you with information regarding assertions: You ignore them because you do not have respect enough for them to provide you with appropriate information. Think about it. I have given the benefit of the doubt and am willing to be swayed with the appropriate information. In addition a corollary to that is that I acknowledge that I do not have all encompassing knowledge on the subject. I am open to someone sharing their knowledge in the matter.

That is quite the antithesis of a lack of respect, my dear.

Well, just explain to me why you had to say "I am to smart for that", to me it just seems like an asshole thing to say.

"Well, just explain to me why you had to say "I am to smart for that", to me it just seems like an asshole thing to say."

This is what i am talking about too, not the whole innovation point, there is no need to say shit like that you really look like an @sshole. We are here to talk about cars not how smart people are.

"To say that I don't respect the people on here is laughable. I suggest you go back and think about the intrinsic parts of my message. You don't ask people whom you do not respect to provide you with information regarding assertions: You ignore them because you do not have respect enough for them to provide you with appropriate information. "

This is fine if your asking for more info to help you with yor decision, but it was that last comment about being to smart for that thta just gets under peoples skin. Saying things like that or "I am to good for that" really makes you look bad.

Read this for your answer, after reading it myself, it sounds like this car a very special.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

look what Gordon Murray, designer of the McLaren F1 said before driving it, then retracting everything he said after driving one

This is what I meant by "I am too smart for that.":

I am too smart, as it were, to be told something and not wonder why I was told that specific thing. There are quite a few adjectives being used which need the question "Why do you say that?". They are being used sloppily [this is one of the nitpicky aspects of my character] with little appreciation of what the word really means, and says about the device. Second guessing the usage of certain adjectives does mean that I respect the people who made the assertion, it is the fundamental self-corrective mechanism through which people perform an analysis. Sometimes, I am not saying this is the exact thing that was going on here, things are hidden on purpose by being vague for whatever reason- reinforcement, beneit et cetera. I don't have an appreciation of that: it is tacit deception.

I will the first to say the car is high-tech and has some very intersting things about it which make it entirely unique in the automotive world. That, however, does not make it innovative. Innovation is the is the description, the act, of fundamental technological invention.

"What is innovative? The Automotive industry is generally not: they borrow their technologies." To the auto industry, this car is innovative, by who it "borrowed their technologies from other automobile manufacturers and made one of the fastest road vehicles that can be an everyday driver. There maybe some other true technological invention under the Veyron's skin, but it is the fact they engineered a vehicle that has broken barriers is what makes it so defining to us.

No one is saying the aero will be better,i am just saying there's to much about a really REALLY expensive VW.

It maybe owned by VW, but I am sure the engineers and some of the designers who made the original Bugatti EB110 were on the team who built this vehicle. Although VDub did put one of theirs as "Bugatti's engineering head", It still retains the name.

Lamborghini is owned by Vdub, and now the Audi R8 is being released, that has only been getting stellar reviews. Volkswagen is the "economy" portion of their company, where Audi takes the luxury segment, and Lambo and Bugatti take the super car.

Its like the Jaguar XJ220 you mention, it was built when it was under ford, but no one recognizes it as a ford, it is a Jag, and purely that.

No i would not buy it, I DO NOT LIKE IT,i love supercars gut i wouldn't buy something i thought was ugly(i like what like,you like what you like,its that simple)

I wouldn't buy it if I had the money either, but it is still a milestone for automotive industry.

If I had all the money at my dispense:

Ferrari F430
Audi R8
Porsche 911 Turbo
Koenigsegg CCX

And most definitely a

Tesla Roadster

I read that article,still doesn't make it look any better.

I don't like the jag (not a V12) & the gallardo is to Audi,i want a last of the line 01' Diablo,i just wish audi would not use engines & parts from the gallardo for it's own models.

Bugatti Veyron @ 253 mph. Even a caveman can do it. (Even captain slow from Top Gear can do it)

253 mph in anything else. You are playing wtih death.

Here is proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V27CgobKJHw

Plus, the Veyron has easily achieved its acceleration goals. The difference between the Veyron and any other super car is its luxury level. Plus it has airbags and all that stuff. If you strip the Veyron of all its luxury, pump up the engine so it will die in a couple of hours (like the other competitors) and give it some tires it will do more. But the fact is that it is perfect for going 253 mph.

playing with death.

No,neither have i seen a zonda ,but i still want one.I know you need to see a car in the metal,but besides not liking the design(based on photo's),i HATE that VW built it and that it's overpriced,just like the merc CLK-GTR.

9ff will beat the record with six cylinders and 3/4 the hp!