Lexus LS460 and LS600hl Video test drive by motor trend (incase the other one didnt work, glitch)

GRRRR the adverstisement blocked on the links so here they are again

ls460:http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/1122_0703_2007_lexus_ls460_road_test/

ls600hl: http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/112_0703_2007_lexus_ls_600_hl_road_test/

Somehow, that LS 600h L looks better than the LS 460 L. I think it's the headlights.

I would be surprised if it didn't. I would want my $100K Lexus to look better tham my neighbor's $70K Lexus!

headlights are the only exterior difference other than badging.

Isn't it great that I was de-boosted ridiculously by the Lexus fans, even though I think the LS600hL is a superb vehicle? It does what it's supposed to do quite well.

Hey, I was deboosted there for a while, too. It doesn't matter if you're for, against, or neutral on an opinion, it's always wrong.

i love when i get deboosted for stating FACTS not opinions.

Especially since you only quoted what the video said.. nearly directly.

It's ridiculous, isn't it?

It's not just the headlights, the LS 600h has better looking wheels. Lexus should make the optional 5-spoke wheel the standard set for LS 460 and LS 460L. Should offer more wheel option across the entire lineup.

I am a big Lexus fan. I would get an LS (a dark blue 460 L with 600h wheels) over a 7 series, IS over 3 series any day. BUT, BMW aside from making better handling* cars than Lexus, BMW also makes/offers better ... best looking standard and optional wheels in the auto industry.

*not overall better cars, just better handling.

$120,000 for a "decked out" LS600hL? Lexus has finally reached the status that allows them to charge that much for their vehicles; they've earned the respect. Note that "prestige pricing" most likely is not included.

The A8L W12 and 760Li both START at $120,000.

I really like the new LS, but I just had to point that out.

Thank you, for you enhanced my point as well.

Minus the badge price, do you really think the BMW 760Li should price more than the technique master piece, LS600hL?

If you want performance, go for the 440hp 760Li.

If you want speed and luxury (perfect exec. sedan), go for the 430hp LS600hL.

So, in a word, yes.

And don't forget the A8L W12 and S600!

440HP 760Li? LS600hL will have more hp, more torque due to electric motor, plus AWD.

but somehow they can't make it quicker 0-60 than those cars. the guy in the video even said quite plainly that "it doesn't feel as quick off the line as it's v12 competitors.

and let's just see how many people are willing to pay that much for a lexus that blends in with the rest of the cars on the road.

yes he did say that. but he also said its faster in the midrange...because of all the torque.

The LS 600h video is very boring. No excitement from the dude. Too little facts about the vehicle. Will wait for the actual test.

I thought he was going to fall asleep!

This link has more info: "http://lexus.jp/models/ls/lsh/index.html". There are more features than have been published sofar. I hope they make it into the US version.

I didn't notice driver monitor camera,neither the leather warped dash from the video. US version will leave out these features?

The guy said 0-60 in 5 seconds range. Will it be that slow? I would expect 4.6~4.8s. Did I hear it right? Also sounds like he mentioned comibined mpg only 21? Lexus said in its European press release combined mpg <9.5L/100km (25mpg).

Nonetheless, the car is gorgeous! I believe Lexus will release the full specifics in New York next month.

That can't be right, no way.

The normal LS460 has gotten 5.5-5.8 where I've seen.

It also has a better combined mpg cycle. LS460: 19/27 = 23.

i've heard mid 5s

are you stupid? the difference between 4.8 and 5 seconds is negligible.

ugly interior on the LS? Are you serious? Well I hope the next thing you say that the interior of the 7 series or the new S class is nice, or nicer than the LS. The 7 series interior had all the critics in the world, besides its exteriors, and yet MB copied the 7 series interior with the new S class.
The LS was and is and will always be known for beauty of interior design, and yet the new LS sits next to the MB S class in exterior design beauty, and as far as the 7 series, its truly ugly in and out.

please stop making us laugh gogo with ur design chat, lol. considering the only thing uv designed is probably a paper airplane.

"It looks too modern and too Japanese"

European aesthetic vs Japanese aesthetic. That's all it is, it's just a matter of what you're used to. Both are great design themes. European design tends to be more stylized and Japanese design tends to be cleaner, more "zen". To say that one is better than the other is ridiculous.

Gogo's name spelled backwards and with a 3 infront. Geez, this website is going down the drain. At least your post was informative.

SUCCINCTLY PUT...WELL DONE

Im am not a fanboy of any brand, but this is a great piece of enginering. I would still rather have an S8.

looks like a pretty solid car, but wouldn't be able to purchase a Lexus for $100k+ it just wouldn't feel right...not yet.

Wasn't it said there has been one year back-order already? 1850 units per year.

everything is perfect about this car, expat the look.

This is a nice vehicle. I am not saying it is better looking then some of the alternatives out there, but it really is a very high class piece of machinery.
I personnally think it is great looking in person (the LS460).

Worth every penny compared to the competition.

I agree the Mercedes S-Klasse is the best car.

You got it!

Truly a masterpiece from Lexus, it beauty, and grace is just stunning.

Does anyone know if the LS600hl is going to have the newest hybrid battery that I heard should be in production around 2008? or the ones currently found in the hybrids of today(GS,RX)

If its true that new batteries will come out in 2008, then it probably will debut on this vehicle. What better to make a statement then the flagship sedan. It will be out as a 2008 model...so maybe?

According to the recent Lexus PR, it will still use NiMH battery.

I guess will be updated to Li-ion battery in its mid-cycle update.

Very few people will pay 120K for a bloated non-descript Camry. Look at the A8W12, S600 or 760il, and even if you don't know what they are they have road presence. This LS Looks marginally better than road-kill.

Unfortunately, road-kill looks marginally better than you.

as if you have seen one. the 7 series has the most presence. the new s class looks like an avalon. except it will be in the shop a lot more often than any lexus. or even any 5 year old lexus. enjoy your 125 an hour service.

The only place this car will sell is the US. Americans have been indoctrinated with lunatic ideals to believe that a TOYOTA designed boat with an eight cylinder hybrid is comparable to the best V12's. I call bullshit.

You can deboost me all you want, but one really does have to take into account the views of international consumers vs. American consumers. This will not be successful overseas.

With 480 HP, I think it will compete well with MB S600 and BMW 7601L. Check out the WSJ link: "http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid452319854/bctid694324497".

enjoy your overpriced under selling quasi phaeton. audi nazi.

The only place this car will sell is the US. Americans have been indoctrinated with lunatic ideals to believe that a TOYOTA designed boat with an eight cylinder hybrid is comparable to the best V12's. I call bullshit.

You can deboost me all you want, but one really does have to take into account the views of international consumers vs. American consumers. This will not be successful overseas.

I bet it will be in Japan. They've gone crazy over the LS 460. Japan is overseas. Now Europe, that might have problems because they like their diesels and haven't become accustomed to hybrids yet.

Sweet luxury car from Lexus!

Well this video nearly put me to sleep (both of them I should say.) It's not the fault of the car. Motor Trend just needs to keep to paper. I watched some of their other videos too, all just as boring.

The new LS can do burnouts like that?!?!?

This is news!

AUDIMAN you don't know what you are talking about. The new LS will be a big success overseas, it is very popular and well known in many countries.

I currently work in Moscow, Russia and I see a LS460 about every 15 minutes of driving on the road. Not to mention the huge waiting list for LS600. They love this car in Russia and I'm sure in many different countries as well. It is definitely not for the US market only.

The numbers certainly do speak for themselves. Audi did well. And so did Lexus. Both MB and BMW were down year-to-year for the first two months. The real story is in the rate of growth. But you may not get an idea of that for another year. The big question however is what happened to Jaguar? Maybe Ford should have kept Aston Martin and sold Jaguar. Maybe Jaguar can use E85 in Europe! Thats what the Big Three are talking about doing in the states. No disrespect. Just a jest!

wow thats good for the big toyota LMAO @ some people saying "its not going to sell over here", i love when people talk FACTS...

Lexus is not a Toyota idiot.

Caltrans you are an idiot haha you have no clue what you are talking about. Considering you probably have never been in Russia and you are just talking out of your a$$...go buy a buick or something you fool.

yes, so many talk/type from their lower aperture!

of course one doesn't SEE a whole bunch of lexi, when it hasn't even BEEN in the euro market that long and they sell less than 10% --even 5%-- of the volume of the germy big 3.

but look at the PERCENTAGE INCREASES. biggest of ALL!

they are only JUST STARTING to build sales momentum.

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from Forbes' Jerry Flint:

"Toyota, already well on its way to becoming the world’s largest automaker, is on the move in Europe--finally.

Last year, Toyota Motor's (nyse: TM - news - people ) Western European sales were 897,000 (Toyota and Lexus), up 10% from 818,000 in 2005. Toyota’s market share climbed to 5.8% of the 26-nation market from 5.4% the year before. The march is continuing: Through February, Toyota’s European sales were 152,000, up 17% from the same period in 2006. The company currently holds a 6.3% stake in Europe.

The Japanese juggernaut is making these gains while the competition slips. Sales are down at Volkswagen, DaimlerChrysler (nyse: DCX - news - people ), BMW, Renault (other-otc: RNSDF - news - people ) and Peugeot (other-otc: PEUGY - news - people ) in the first two months this year. A tax increase in Germany helped slow sales there, but the Asian carmakers usually run strongest in the smaller, non-car producing countries of Europe. Nevertheless, most of the Asians--Nissan (nasdaq: NSANY - news - people ), Mitsubishi (other-otc: MSBHY - news - people ), Hyundai and Kia--slipped in sales last year in Europe, and also show declines in first two months of 2007. Only Toyota and Honda Motor (nyse: HMC - news - people ) are running strong in Europe right now.

In Europe, Toyota still is not nearly as overpowering as it is in the U.S. In America, the Asian Godzilla is within striking distance of overtaking Chrysler and Ford for second place in the American market--and might do it this year. Its two-month U.S. sales are 363,000 units, 11% ahead of last year, though slightly behind Ford Motor (nyse: F - news - people ) (including Jaguar, Volvo and Land Rover) and DaimlerChrysler. Toyota now holds 15.5% of the U.S. market."