That’s Absurd: Haglund says Al Gore should buy Chrysler

Well, since Gore invented the internet, this seems like a no brainer. Pun intended.

Thank goodness for Al Bore and his ingenuity!!!

You forgot to work in the word Hitler in there sonny!

Zaza you need to to eat a carrot and sprout a brain. Gore is about the biggest joke in politics to come around in a long time. Just like the global warming scare is the biggest propaganda scare tactic machine since the invention of political fueled scare tactics. Sure the globe is warming, but please show me a period in earths history when it wasn't either warming or cooling!!?? There is just nothing that suggests the earth has ever had a constant temperature. Why should it now??

jasaero, maybe if you listened to scientists, instead of Rush Limbaugh, you might have a clue about what you're talking about.

GORE IN 2008!!

No, STEWART AND COLBERT '08!!!

But really, I'm leaning towards Obama. I read Dreams from My Father. What a fabulous book.

1970toyotamarc, whatever dude! You ever try and dive into the data yourself?? It become pretty obvious pretty quick that there is nothing at all conclusive that human, CO2, or any particular thing at all is a major driver in the overall warming trend. Most of the ACTUAL scientist will admitt this to some degree also. To ALL the real scientist global warming is a known, but the causES are all THEORY's. There is no such thing as a global warming LAW. This basically means the understanding of warming trends is still very immature. There is data that will support about any climate driver claim you can dream up. Funniest thing about it all is that there is no data what so ever that gives really stron indication that CO2 has ever caused warming. The only decent data on this is related to glacier samples(who know exactly how reliable they are?). And even the ice data tends to show a line in which CO2 increases seem to follow warming rather than lead it. There is ocean data that tends to suggest such a CO2 increase following warming could be logical. Then there are factors not even mentioned or thought about in any data I can find much at all. One such thing is that decay in melting tundras when warming occurs could cause huge CO2 increases in as it will take a good bit of time for the new vegitation that begins to grow for the first time to actually use more CO2 than what the decay is creating each warm season. I could go on and on with different things that are really not at all understood or known factors in the Carbon cycle, but it is a really immature science to date. Then there are the scientist who first suggested global warming might be happening back in the 80s and suggesting it could be due to humans now reversing their beliefs about the human aspect as more data comes out suggesting Humans and CO2 increases might not be the real drivers.

Why can't people just accept that humans just MIGHT be the biggest contributors to the general rapid warming trend of the Earth? How is it that people can't fathom a correlation between the largest number of people populating the planet and the most rapid increase in the Earth's temperature? I'm a "conservative" and even I can understand this.

I am glad that you hate yourself so much Will!! It is so big of you to think that you are so great that you just being here is destroying the planet. Wow. Does your have trouble fitting through doors!! With an ego that big I am sure wondering!!

You know what is sad, even your precious oilman president has admitted to global warming, and has begrudgungly acknowledged hat something will have to be done. He can do so now, because he has spent the last 6 years raping and pillaging the world to line his oil-rich pockets, and can now pass the buck to someone else to make the sacrifices. But be clear, sacrifices will have to be made, and he knows it.

So the question becomes, why do those of you who cling so desperately to the past persist with this absurd notion that you can do whatever you want to the earth, with no side effects. I see only one answer. You refuse to acknowledge that you will have to make any sacrifices. Maybe you will have to sacrifcie 100hp, or even in 20-30 years, start taking trains or public transportation if the entire auto industry becomes unsustainable. All within the realm of possibilitities.

Now to answer of few of your direct claims....
"Most of the ACTUAL scientist will admitt this to some degree also" Untrue, the vast majority agree that global warming is happening, and that humans are partly responsible.

"To ALL the real scientist global warming is a known, but the causES are all THEORY's. There is no such thing as a global warming LAW." If you know anything about science, there are very few laws, most of what we do is because of theories.

"glacier samples(who know exactly how reliable they are?). " They're actually quite reliable, just because you dont think so, does not change that.

"really immature science to date." No it's not, the science is actually quite good.

Your claims are baseless conjecture. Once again, give up the beleief that you can live in your insular world, start realizing that we are all interconnected to each other and our earth, and then maybe you will open your eyes to what is going on around you.

jasongoudie,

As I'm sure other posters have already pointed out to you below, it's not just that simple. Now try again at a proper insult, if you can even come up with one.

What is the matter will. Did trying to change the subject when someone asked you for the facts hurt your feelings. I think your new name should be girlie man liberal.... oh wait all of them are!!!

MIGHT is about as far as we know. All this propoganda about global warming is based on primitive computer modeling with massive margins of errors.

We can't even predict the weather for one location for the next 2 days with any accuracy... how the hell do you believe they can predict what the globe is going to do and why?

MIGHT == MIGHT NOT

the computer models are not primitive, and in fact the understanding of overall climate patterns is much more reliable than daily weather predictions, but bringing up weather forecasting is always a great right wing talking point, thanks for playing.

why would anyone really want to buy chrysler ...

And where would he get the money? Do they really think there would be many investors in such a crippled company?

In fairness to Al Gore, he is a politician so he does not have to have any auto industry experience; however, I totally disagree with his notion that the internal combustion engine should be replaced by a bunch of expensive and less cost-effective technologies, most of which are still under development . I know this is hindsight, but the whole world should have taken a page out of France's book and gone 80% or 90% nuclear a long time ago instead of burning dirty coal and natural gas in power plants. If coal was burned using the fluid bed combustion process, the air would be a lot cleaner. Car engines are very clean today including the newest diesels that are about to hit the market. Al Gore is a smart guy in most matters but Bill Clinton was smarter.

I feel dirty after your comments. Did Clinton and Gore molest you?? I am just wondering.

it's been recently discovered that some of the climate models run on supercomputers were WRONG!

... and ACTUAL average global temp increases have been occuring FASTER than the models predicted! ;)

(joking aside, this is TRUE)

No its not.. The earth stopped warming in 1998. What about mars. Their must be a bunch or Conservative Republican Bastards on that planet driving Giant SUV's and eating fast food.... Ohhhh and farting a lot too!!!

Sorry Apex Alex i just wanted to give everyone you wacked out liberal logic that you use. Facts??? Do you knw what they are??? USE THEM!!!!!!

Again, predicting tomorrow's weather has nothing to do with the long term studies into global climate change (warming).

Yeah its called which grants give us the most money and how do I make a living off of other peoples hard earned money!!

oh that's an easy target, govt funded scientific programs. Let's just spend all our money funding research into more weapons, thats where the majority of it goes anyway.

OK

P.S. Haven't you noticed it is mid April and it is snowing and I am freezing my ass off. Must be due to the next Ice Age coming or whatever the flavor of the week Liberal Doooms day scenario is!! Why don't you tell us you seem to be so connected to the FACTS!!

The facts are that warming in global climate warming is just that, GLOBAL and CLIMATE. Now maybe in your small life, you are experiencing LOCAL WEATHER. If it is too much of a leap for you to do anything other than look out your living room window, then I can say nothing to help you out.

That is so funny, becasue I know a lot of people across the US and they all freezing their ass of. Nice try but come up with some facts!! Prove It.

P.S. Why is Mars warming again???? You seem to have all of the answers!!!

Oh yet another piece of right wing propaganda. I'm loving this.

From National Geographic.....
"By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars. Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists. "His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University. And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report." (Related: "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say" [February 2, 2007].)"

And...........

"Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface. He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars. But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin. "

So the latest right wing myth gets debunked , once again, by the majority of scientists. Again, nice try.

Wrong you keep trying. Science isn't about consensus and the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report was sanctioned and funded by the U.N. the very people that will benefit from the Warming Scenario. Think Carbon tax and a single entity redistributing the worlds wealth on the way to a one world government. This is their dream that is why they are so militant about it!!

How do you explain the Professor at M.I.T. You know the one that wrote this article in Newsweek. Last time I checked he was not some hick from Texas!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17997788/site/newsweek/

Oh and I am sure he is a lot smarter than you!!!

"Science isn't about consensus " With statements like that coming from you, what more can I say. You win, but what you win is only in your own single mind, because you are not looking for a consensus. For anyone else who has followed your absurdity (those of us in the consensus), you never stood a chance. Have a nice little life in your individual, small, singular world.

XDrive: "the wxmen can't accurately predict..."

DUH!
this is typical of the SIMPLE MINDED flat earthers!

of COURSE it's more difficult to predict tomorrow's weather than long-term climate change.

it's the converse of being better able to predict the position of a supertanker 5 minutes later, than a jetski's! duh. duh!

weather is a daily, FAST action. climate is measured in years, if not decades and centuries.

jackassgoudie: "No its not.. The earth stopped warming in 1998..."

REALLY? did the earth stop spinning too? have you stopped farting out of BOTH ends? (apparently NOT!)

SINCE 1998: more daily record highs have been recorded in numerous locations. glacial melting has ACCELERATED in both hemispheres. the summer ice cover over the Arctic Ocean has shrunk to record minima.

maybe you weren't aware of these AND MANY MORE geophysical and meteorological phenomena, since you apparently get all your "facts" and "news" from the likes of Flush Limpbag and the Idiot Savage.

but your intellectual hero, geo. bush, will probably "SAVE" you and your fellow conservative klunkheads by building rockets to take you all to Mars, after you've totally trashed Earth.

yes! THAT's the GOPpie solution.

will:

"Why can't people just accept that humans just MIGHT be the biggest contributors to the general rapid warming trend of the Earth? How is it that people can't fathom a correlation between the largest number of people populating the planet and the most rapid increase in the Earth's temperature? I'm a "conservative" and even I can understand this."


will, here's an analogy i think best illustrates the selfish stubbornness and denials.

think of the earth as a old and large residential hotel. the manager (UN and International Treaties) is weak and unable to control selfish, irresponsible and unruly tenants.

so SOME of them leave the windows and doors wide open even in winter, 'cuz it's SO INconvenient to always open and close 'em. between the escaped moist air, and their cooking, the fumes spread thruout the hallways. sometimes their meals will BURN, and real smoke pours thruout the building.

the old furnace is burning poorly, spewing out excessive, smokey exhaust, co2, carbon monoxide, etc.

SOME people (responsible ecologists), are conscious of these problems and do what little they can TO NOT ADD to the mess. they minimize THEIR waste of energy and contributions of heat, co, nox and co2.

but the majority of SELFISH people, don't give a damn and do whatever they please. their EXCUSES:

"well the OTHER tenants (China, India, 3rd world) aren't controling THEIR emissions, so why should i?"

as for the hallways being overheated, with noxious fumes from the sickly furnace: "well, it's JUST a NATURAL thing. hotel furnaces (the Earth) have ALWAYS done this periodically."

so except for a few isolated corners, the WHOLE BUILDING gets worse and worse. NO ONE wants to clean up THEIR OWN act, using the FEEBLE EXCUSES above.

moral: REGARDLESS of whether global warming is "normal" or CONTRIBUTED TO by human activity, WHY ADD TO the problem?

(but selfish capitalist and corporate money grubbers and their propagandized apologists, have NEVER been moral until FORCED TO.)

You are such a windbag. Oh and I am sure you are a conservative. I can tell by your posts?? Wink Wink....
Why is it that the only nation being so pressured by this Global Warming thing is the US. China by far the worst polluter states it will not sign any agreement and will not impose any restrictions but the UN or any of the other NWO type outfits will not enforce this because they love china becasue they are already communist. This is all about killing the US economy not about Global Warming. The whole thing is abcked and made up by the very people that want to take our freedoms away!! I would say over 75% of America believes that Global Warming is a hoax and can see through the smokescreen!!

P.S. Just like a typical liberal you changed the subject when I presented you with a realistic doubter (MIT Professor) and the facts!! I would give you more but what is the point you are absolutely convinced that you are the cause of the earths problems. And it is sogreat of you to think so. But I would say in all of God's Grand Design he planned for this and us piddly little mortal dwellers are not going to screw it up any time soon!!!

as i said before, your "religious philosophy" is INFANTILE.

you expect God to clean up after you? just like when mommy used to wipe your ass? well you're a big boy now, if i'm NOT PRESUMING too much. take some RESPONSIBILITY for your actions.

the "grand design" you THINK God has, probably includes WIPING OUT the excess humanity that's MESSING UP this planet. "The FIRE next time" makes any resonance in your pea brain?

aside from the fires of wars (STARTED by your GOPpy idiot leaders), that includes the fires of drought.

and it's not MY "greatness" that is so powerful as to affect the planet. it's the COLLECTIVE IDIOCY and selfishness of those of YOUR ilk.

we'll see as summer progresses, WHO has the better handle of how things on the planet are going. yeah, keep your winter coat handy, as things cool down.

meanwhile, i'll break out the sunscreen and ogle the hot babes cooling off in their bikinis. (but of course, the conservatives like you think this is SINFUL. so i expect when you can't out-insult me, you'll just continue to condemn me. boo hoo.)

Apex Alex,

Who cares if he's liberal or conservative? Stick to the facts and the issue.

You might be left, might be right, but I can tell you're wrong because you have to lean on other people's idealogy to try and bolster your point.

other peoples' "idealogy" [sic]?

would it surprise you that both Left AND Right have been wrong numerious times? (altho' the right is usually wrong much more often!)

fyi, many people have difficulty PINNING a label on me. yes, i have many "left" ideas and inclinations. i also have some ideas to the right of Genghis Khan. i'm an INDEPENDENT THINKER who TRANSCENDS ideology.

which is why i can RECOGNIZE

...what is PROPAGANDA, and what is factual. i actually READ BOOKS, 95% non-fiction.

i entertained the POSSIBILITY of global warming 15 years ago. besides the increasing evidence in scientific studies and books i've seen over the last decade, i have EXPERIENCED IT here in alaska!

i wouldn't even BOTHER trying to argue its REALITY with retards who still think it's JUST a "liberal, greenie CREATION" normally. that's as futile as trying to squeeze water out of their ROCKhead so-called brains. but i TRY because i KNOW it is real, and it is an important issue.

re-read my analogy about the residence hotel above. it's bad enuff some people just lock themselves in their rooms and ignore everything going on outside. but some idiots continue to burn stuff on their stoves, stink up their rooms AND the COMMON AREAS. with the LIMP EXCUSES in my analogy/parable.

if ALL the idiots continue to IGNORE (even ridicule) the problem, the eventual hotel fire will rival the WTC eventually.

count the DROUGHTS this summer. THEN try to slam me.

REGARDLESS of whether global warming is "normal" or CONTRIBUTED TO by human activity, WHY ADD TO the problem?

I swear in this country its the ignorant(conservatives) vs the book reading informed (liberals) Exxon Mobil and the rest of the oil industry has done a good job to convince people that global warming is a theory ( bet you conservatives didnt know they pay scientst to disprove the facts about global warming I know they never mention that on FAUX NEWS. coming from NYC I have seen global warming every year the temperature gets a lil more out of whack and as far as pollution goes you can cough up a lung driving with your windowns down during rush hour so hey anything cleaner im all with it

More like the elitist know it all NY'er. And please, can you dispense with the "Faux New", blah, blah. How old are you? So, "Faux News" leans right, you have the rest of the media (ABCCBSNBCCNNNYTWP etc) to parrot the left's favorite cause. Typical liberal, resort to name calling when they get challenged or questioned.

That being said, I don't know who/what is causing global warming and neither do you. Hell, the scientists can't even agree. And there are many that disagree with the "consensus", however you will never hear them in the media (all in NYC) because it doesn't fit their agenda. And the UN is about as impartial as Al Gore or Rush Limbaugh. How do you take steps to correct something when you don't even know the cause?

Yes, we should work to clean up the environment, but just as those evil right wingers get money from evil Exxon, so does the evil left from their money backers...typically gov't grants or left-wing foundations. It wasn't too long ago that there was a consensus on global cooling or that margarine was better than butter.

My guess is that the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but do we destroy our whole economy to make NY'ers or the UN feel better. Sorry, until others "put up" like they want us to "put up", "F" them. And Kyoto is a bunch of crap...even Europe who signed on can't keep to the protocol.

Yes, I'll take the chance of waiting just a bit longer until we can get a little more solid info on GW. The scare tactics to this point just aren't that scary.

This thread is a reminder to me as to why I have become increasingly disillusioned with this site.

There is a circular form of recurrence scheme for topics on this site, and each time the same subject comes up it appears that the conversation becomes less informed and less erudite in the matter. Increasingly, the conversations are not about the facts or the subject matter itself, but instead about the egos of those involved and thus quickly disintegrate into ad hominem uselessness.

Scientific inquiry is about evidence and hypothesis supported by facts not models [This goes for any hypothesis. A model is a feasibility tool only.] If you can't cite a reference for it, don't cite it as fact. Qualifiers are used to distinguish fact as it is, from forms of interpretation based upon such.

Enough of that, I said what I wanted to say on this subject months ago...

"Scientific inquiry is about evidence and hypothesis supported by facts not models."


well, that's the thing, cdoke!

the models have been around for DECADES. and the facts/measurements have lately CONFIRMED both the theories AND models. most recently, it is coming out that the models have been UNDERestimating the effects.

yet, the deniers are still STUCK back in the theory and model stage. they are all ignorant about science. there are always scientists with a wide SPECTRUM of beliefs. they always just choose the (often paid off) scientists who support what they WANT to belive. and ignore the ones who not only would point out their errors, but have FACTS and actual MEASUREMENTS.

Bighead has seen and experienced changes in NY. so have i up here in Alaska. so have Inuit hunters who make their LIVING off the LAND and SEA.

and yes, the "theory" and "models" that predicted the global warming will become evident FIRST at the higher latitudes have been VERIFIED.

the Faux News and Flush Limpbag believers think that what we SEE and EXPERIENCE PERSONALLY is "just a false THEORY!?"

well, i guess it IS sometimes hard for them to SEE REALITY, since their heads seem permanently stuck up their anal canals! ;)

If only 10% of CO2 is man made, what ridiculous types of corrective action are we talking about here? Can't wait to start making all the bazillions of batteries for the electric cars. Wonderful for the environment!

ONE person swapping his 13 mpg pickup or suv for a 45 mpg hybrid IMMEDIATELY CUTS his personal transportation co2 output by 70%.

multiply that by a few thousand. a few million.

add others who merely trade up to something returning just 30 - 35 mpg.
add those who upgrade insulation on their homes. add office bldgs and factories who develop a CONSCIENCE.

IT ADDS UP!