BMW 118d vs Toyota Prius

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Hey The Sailor....that was a rather biased opinion! LOL! Saying it can't beat the Prius...LOL!! Pot calling the kettle black I suppose.

you're strange fanboy.

so it's a 'retarded' article because it found a german car better than a japanese one.?

trunk space? sure, in a 5,000 massive luxury sedan. ya kinda need it just to tote a couple sets of golf clubs.

furthermore, the mileage difference is pretty significant. and considering that most people drive alone, it's a good commuter car.

that 118d is the older model, without the engine upgrades.

In case you don't know, beside dominating at hybrid right now and in coming many future years, Toyota is very good at diesel thing too. I bet many you guys from Europe already knew that.

Toyota's good, but not great at diesel.

Well, actually no. That is not correct. There are some good Japanese diesel engines but you will find them in Honda and Mazda.
The worse new diesel engine I have tried is the 177hk 400nm from Toyota. Sure, the numbers are impressive for a 4cyl diesel but how it works in real life is another question. It delivers the power in a very unrefined way - even for a diesel.
It could work if you have a aut gearbox but it is not on the options list since Toyota do not have one that could handle the torque and fit in their cars.

I tried it first in the Avensis and I was a bit disappointed . Then I also tried it in the Rav4 and was utterly disappointed. It was total undriveable in the city! Worst engine/transmission I have ever come across.

I have not tried it in the IS220d but it got a bad review from the Swedish car magazine Auto motor och sport (No, not the German one. Swedish AM&S ) in a diesel comparison test against Volvo S40, Alfa 159, Cadillac BLS because of the bad character of the engine.
Read the test your self: http://www.automotorsport.se/biltester/2006/0611/061102.pdf (swedish)
They say this, regarding the engine in the Lexus: “The Lexus engine surprises us in a negative way.” “It´s somewhat cultivated but other then that, there is nothing positive to say about it.”
Result from the “motor and transmission” round:
1) Alfa 76
2) Volvo 75
3) Cadillac 62
4) Lexus 52 ( = an “F”, that’s why it is highlighted in red in the facts sheet at the end. )

Except for the engine and the interior space they liked the IS. It did get a good notice for the great handling and especially the great quality. It ended up in the third place behind the Volvo and the Cadillac that both came out on top.

of course you'd take a slower, worse handling car with lower gas mileage. you're so freakishly loyal to toyota that your comments become irrelevant.

Just because no one gives a crap about Consumer Reports in Europe doesn't mean they don't know a good car when they drive one. Americans have come to accept kitchen appliances on wheels as suitable transportation, yet Europeans still understand that loving your car and the way driving it makes you feel is still very important.

Diesel passenger cars can't be sold in the state not because of pollution, that is the reason given, but the real one is that petrol company lobbyists done not want diesel to be widely spread in the market, and it makes them less profit than gas, because it has less value added: i find it weird in this respect that diesel cars in the states needs to be so much cleaner than gas cars in the NOx departement, while their CO2 regulation is less harsh... when it is known that for the same hp diesel produces less CO2 and more NOx than gas!
don't think the US cares more about the environement than European countries, when it hasn't even signed the Kyoto protocole AND still wants to buy polluting rights from South Africa and other third world countries...

the emissions argument for why diesels are not allowed in the US is a fraud.

our ever-conscientious politicians won't allow diesel cars that EMIT LESS CO2 than gas engines. the trick is that legislation requires that diesel passenger cars emit less than 15 parts per million of sulfur dioxide. yet those very same politicians allow the thousands of ships that pull into US ports to emit 27,000 THOUSAND parts per million of sulfur dioxide.

what a joke. guess the oil companies are screwing us again because gas in more profitable than diesel.

sailor:

i'm arguing to let diesel cars into the US. why don't you agree? i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of legislation that let's ships thousands of times more pollutants than diesel cars that they WON'T allow in.

furthermore, what's with "dose of our own medicine" and "gratitude." the fact that the US in a net importer has kept the world economy alive for the last decade. germany, for example, is the world's number one exporter. i think the gratitude clearly goes both ways.

and i'm hardly protectionist. in fact, i'm very much free-trade oriented.

but if you want to argue about shipping emissios sailor...

according to the international clean air council, the 90,000 ships on the seas collectively emit more dangerous sulfur dioxide than all the CARS, BUSES and TRUCKS ON THE PLANET COMBINED.

i'm not surprised that the US allows this. but why do all the 'green' european countries and japan allow this?!? it's an outrage.

wrong. The 1 Series has never been sold here because the premium small car market was non existant. Until recently, no one was willing to spend 30 large on a small, 4 cylinder car that has good driving dynamics and premium feel, yet is half the size of a car they "could" get for the same amount of money. But witness the Mini and the A3 and the growing success of small premium vehicles. Thats why the 1 series is coming to america now. NA people were so used to the idea that bigger is better that we didn't bother to care about smaller cars that were more luxurious and better overall values.

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Cars can still get better mileage than their predecessors despite having more power or gear ratios biased towards acceleration. In many cases, manufacturers simply tune the first two to three gears for quick acceleration while keeping the other two (or three) within limits that enable the car to achieve good fuel economy.

Sounds like the case to me with the BMW 118d here, although I know nothing about this car as we don't get it here in the US, sadly.

bahaha are these german mags really that desperate? how about showing that a ford mondeo is a better car than the 3 series? please...thats sad that a magazine prints junk that is normally thrown around on autospies haha!

How is the Ford Mondeo a better car than the BMW 3er?

The Ford Mondeo might be the better family car, overall, but the BMW 3er will be the better sports sedan.

Either way, the cars you mentioned don't even compete.

prius spanked.... in nearly everything.... hybrids rule!

so basically the bimmer is faster, better handling AND gets better gas mileage than the prius.

still amazed that the US is so behind on diesel acceptance.

if they got less than 40 mpg with the prius, they musta REALLY BEEN TRYING to push down the mileage. everyone i know who has a prius gets in the mid-40s to 50s.

several articles have been written about people who get 100 mpg.

OBVIOUSLY a biased article.

mid-40s is pretty common with the prius.
i have 3 friends with a prius.
two consistently get in the 40s.
the one with the lead foot has never broken 40.

and the people who drive 2 feet behind trucks to get suction effects.

The BMW crushes the Prius like a bug.

Get used to it!