Is Vermont Being Too Tough On Emissions Control?

Is Vermont Being Too Tough On Emissions Control?
The U.S. auto industry would be unable to comply with strict standards on carbon dioxide emissions that Vermont aims to impose, a witness testified on Monday, as the final week of a trial aiming to knock down those state standards got underway.

Automakers General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG, along with local auto dealers and trade associations, are suing Vermont to try to block the standard, which calls for a 30 percent reduction in the amount of carbon dioxide, or CO2, released by vehicles, starting in 2009 and becoming stricter through 2016.

"We still need 12 years from now, we're talking model year 2020," to develop full lines of compliant vehicles, he said.


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LexusNumberOne4everLexusNumberOne4ever - 5/8/2007 12:26:18 PM
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Vermont is arguably one of the most beautiful parts of the country.
Better ban vehicles to preserve it.


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 5/8/2007 1:07:58 PM
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With all the trees that beautiful Vermont has to absorb CO2, I'm surprised their politicians feel the need to attack the motoring public by advocating higher cost of family transportation this way.


Bighead255Bighead255 - 5/8/2007 2:21:59 PM
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If communist China can impose 35mpg standards on new car so can capitalist america. Isnt that the whole idea about capitalism the market is more efficient so lets get it done because if we keep letting the commies beat us we will lose our position in the world


supermotosupermoto - 5/10/2007 9:43:01 PM
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Uhh, how much have you traveled in China Bighead. It's one of the most polluted places I've ever seen, just disgusting (except HK). Makes California look like a sterile laboratory environment by comparison.


indoctrin8edindoctrin8ed - 5/8/2007 8:28:40 PM
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Another crap post by LexusOne4Never.

These are CARBON DIOXIDE emission rules, dork.

CO2 from cars does not make the state less green or beautiful. Increases in CO2 actually improves plantation growth.



LexusNumberOne4everLexusNumberOne4ever - 5/9/2007 12:06:32 AM
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I presume, you hav'nt heard anything about global warming.

And, there is an optimum limit to which CO2 can be absorbed from the air, overdoing it causes environmental damage.


CactoesGelCactoesGel - 5/9/2007 12:47:23 AM
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I say there's no such thing as tough emmission control. If it results to a better future, why the heck not? Just do it.


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 5/9/2007 1:45:09 PM
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All you greenies who want more fuel efficient engines better ask your political masters to substantially increase gasoline taxes so as to quickly let market forces help you reach your environmental goals. Some will then say that higher gas taxes are "unamerican". Families who actually need large trucks and SUVs will then scream that they are being discriminated against and deprived of scarce financial resources with which to buy food and educate their children.
I wonder why "Bighead225" suggests that we follow the example of "communist" China and then goes on to use the pejorative term "commies". I view China as a capitalist dictatorship far removed from its previous communist ideology decades ago. My only complaint is that this economic adversary is competing with us for scarce resources and that the problem will only grow in magnitude with the passage of time, resulting in higher commodity prices and the export of more jobs from North America.


indoctrin8edindoctrin8ed - 5/9/2007 7:39:27 PM
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So LexusNumberOneForNever, just what is that OPTIMUM amount? Are we anywhere close to that? The answer is no we aren't. CO2 is not a pollutant. And it has less greenhouse effect than water vapor.


indoctrin8edindoctrin8ed - 5/9/2007 7:41:26 PM
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And taxing gas more is not the answer, never has been, never will be in the US.

Has taxing cigarattes or booze ever curbed consumption? Hell no.

It's just a tax on the poor.


indoctrin8edindoctrin8ed - 5/10/2007 6:10:06 PM
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American History 101: Lots of things work differently in the US than anywhere else, starting with taxes and economics. In fact, taxes were the primary reason the United States declared their independance, do you remember?

If you want socialism, Europe is the place to be. Great for some people, not as great for most. Many parts of Europe are almost broke (eg, the French, 15% unemployment).

If you want to work hard and smart and get paid well, the opportunities are in the US because here, if you come up with a brilliant idea (like invent some kick ass engine that gets great gas mileage), you'll get rich, and you can afford several homes around the globe. If you do this in Europe, you hand over 1/2 to 3/4 of your fortune.

It's common sense why the investment capital flows to the US.


austintysonaustintyson - 5/11/2007 12:23:53 AM
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Well CO2 is in everything. When you die your body releases it. When you breath you release it. You open a can of soda you release it. When your leafs on your trees dies it releases it.. how much is released by the soda industry? I see CO2 trucks bleeding off extra CO2 al the time. I also know that every place that sells foutain drinks has CO2 in its building. How many CO2 tanks leak? I used to deliever the stuff. When we picked up mt tanks we would open the valve to release the gas so it would be mt and not have to fill out more paper work sayihng you were carring full CO2 on your truck... I know one day we picked up 25 full CO2 tanks (50 pounds) and opened them all up.. so how much CO2 does a gallon of gas have in it?


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 5/11/2007 10:50:39 AM
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Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree. Higher gasoline taxes will force the poor into smaller (more fuel-efficient) cars thereby reducing overall demand and reducing or maintaining prices at the pump. Those with more financial resources will continue to be able to drive larger vehicles for the sheer luxury of it. It is their just reward for having worked harder in society to accumulate wealth. Gas taxes are not socialistic -- they are simply a means of using market forces to regulate supply and demand -- that's about as capitalistic (free enterprise) as you can get. I would concede that farmers who need large pickup trucks and families with too many kids who need large minivans should get some sort of income tax credit with respect to the proposed gas taxes.


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