BMW Hydrogen 7 hitting UK roads next week

BMW EXPANDING!!!

yeah...a v12 with 260hp. PERFECT!

What do you expect out of a hydrogen engine? This concept is in its earliest stage. Do you think they could get the same power as what they get out of the gas 760Li? If so, you're an ignorant fool.

forgive me if i'm wrong but if that comes out to sales sometime in future, what will be the point of paying for a v12 with only 260hp?

What do you expect out of a hydrogen engine? This concept is in its earliest stage. Do you think they could get the same power as what they get out of the gas 760Li? If so, you're an ignorant fool.

What is the point in buying a HYDROGEN engine?? For starters... no carbon dioxide emissions. Just a small no brainer.

specific output from a hydrogen internal combustion engine is nowhere near that of a fossil fuel's mainly because they are in the very early stages of development
the V12 in the previous hydrogen 7 had 235 bhp

At one point, 260 hp from a 6 lire was good. May I remind everyone of the 8 litre V8 Eldorado of 76 with 190 hp? The old 500 engine in Mercs only had 300 hp. Engine technology moves on, so will hydrogen tech.

And just think, the LS600hL will be hitting the streets real soon even without a V12 but with the output of one...

lol

Do you know how different that is? How much harder it is to get a hydrogen luxury sedan on the streets than a gas-electric one? How much more remote the technology is for the hydrogen fuel cell? Please, humor me, give BMW a little credit for this massive engineering feat.

Let him be an ignorant.

but the big sell on the LSh was lower emissions than a v12. whoopee. the hydrogen 7 has ZERO emissions. that puts a a prius to shame.

furthermore the car burns ZERO petroleum. helps us out with that little dependency on the middle east as well.

so, yeah...no big acccomplishment.

I guess you guys didn't catch the "lol" part of my comment which indicated sarcasm, but oh well. I'm working on improving my sarcastic responses, you guys take them way too seriously.

So to some real talk, burning hydrogen, specially in BMW's current form, is useless to the problem at hand. Hybrids reduce cars' need for oil, diesels don't, and hydrogen wont either as I'm sure huu has pointed out below already...

Hybrids, hybrids, hybrids... you know that if Lexus was behind diesels you'd be preaching about them, too?

Do you know how different that is? How much harder it is to get a hydrogen luxury sedan on the streets than a gas-electric one? How much more remote the technology is for the hydrogen fuel cell? Please, humor me, give BMW a little credit for this massive engineering feat.

And what do you expect out of a hydrogen engine? This concept is in its earliest stage. Do you think they could get the same power as what they get out of the gas 760Li? If so, you're an ignorant fool.

give us all a break huu. you and the rest of the lexus cult go on and on about cars that don't even exist in the consumer marketplace yet....IS-F, LF-A, GS-F, etc.

and now you're putting BMW down for introducing a world changing car in small test volume?

the hydrogen 7 has ZERO emissions. that puts a a prius to shame. furthermore the car burns ZERO petroleum. helps us out with that little dependency on the middle east as well.

so, yeah...no big acccomplishment.

you're a schmuck.

oh, and the 8-speed is totally unnecessary. i do hope the germans don't introduce one. besides, it's not breakthrough technology....just a tweak to one that's been around for many decades.

The guy is right the Lexus cult goes on about cars that doesn't even exist yet. So for now it's all big time dreaming.

So BMW now copy Lexus by coming out with a 8 speed transmission? ha...ha...ha....ha.. who copying who now?

OMG... focus on the subject!.. its about global warming.. hydrogen is a greater improvement compared to GAS electric.

right, because the japanese are superior to the germans in every way. you're sounding a little pre-WWII and racist huu.

I say again, emissions aren't the only things that need to be focused on and hybrids bring a whole new set of problems. But I guess I can't expect much from someone who didn't know a basic concept of the very product he supports...

That would be fantastic, huu. I love Honda.

If it's feasible, so be it. But sometimes your rants are ridiculous. Actually, all of the time.

sweet!..............and the another thing or funny thing I should says, it a Honda from Japan. Many of you use to make fun of Japanese cars.

If Japanese technology keep going forward like this, it will make all others car brand, what the word? "Obsolete" yeah that the word. Now the other auto brands has no choice but to follow if they want to stay in business.


Ha...ha,...ha....

I love Honda. It's just Toyota fans that make me dislike Toyota.

Interesting how you try and use words such as "obsolete" and yet I see that your grammar is almost as elemental as what you talk about.

What do I know? I'm no scientist, but I do know that you don't seem to know even the basics of a hybrid system and that when you read the articles you cut and paste here, you don't read them very thoroughly.

For all that has been said about hydrogen lately, I would like to simply like to assert something that at first may seem odd to some but bear with me. Presently, hydrogen will not decrease our dependence upon fossil fuels.

The reason for this can be found in the answer to the question:”Where do we get the hydrogen?” Let me give you a hint: it does not come from the electrolysis of water. Presently, hydrogen is stripped off of the carbon chains of natural gas. I don’t know what everybody knows so bear with me. Natural gas is actually the vapor phase of oil. It is therefore a fossil fuel.

Why, you may ask, is the hydrogen not obtained through the electrolysis of water? Well, it is a very inefficient process. In addition, I don’t know how many people realize this, in terms of the energy cycle you are taking the emissions of a hydrogen car and attempting to refine the fuel back out of it. Literally, water is “burned” [combusted] hydrogen. Those of you who have taken Thermodynamics will recognize that in terms of the energy cycle is non-ideal. The best thing for hydrogen power is to make electricity super-cheap and its production super-clean.

yes, but natural gas burns far cleaner, avoids the filthy process used to refine petroleum and exists in HUGE quantities outside the middle east. so hydrogen does help out politically and environmentally...much more so that anything that uses petroleum.

"Natural gas" is a refined product, and there are some rather nasty things which usually result. Hydrogen Sulfide is one. This is what makes rotten eggs smell as such, and in high enough concentrations it is odorless and 100% instantly leathal at 1000 ppm.

Yes it exists in large amounts outside of the middle east: Russia most notably. But , at least in the United States, most of the oil imported is from Canada and Mexico. In the top 7 only one coutry is in the Middle East and it is number 4 in total Petroleum imports [Saudi Arabia].

But it doesn't matter if Russia has massive amounts of gas. The biggest problem with it is transportation. You either have to liquify it, which is expensive, or build pipelines to transport it, which is also expensive. There is a fair amount of domestic supply, but the point is that if you use it to power vehicles then your bills will go up [heating and cooking and so forth]

Aw, don't be mad because I made you look dumb. Here, I proved you wrong with your own articles. http://www.autospies.com/news/Europeans-See-The-Ramifications-Of-Ethanol-Use-As-Unacceptable-15084/ Now it's your turn. Hmm... Nm, don't bother. This isn't the first time me or others made you look stupid.

huu:

honda can't BUILD the infrastructure. honda and many other car makers would need to band together to lobby congress and the oil companies to make this happen. NOBODY can hope to do it alone.

re: "BMW just says "Hey, look, hydrogen sticker. You green now. $125,000 plz" hmm...sounds like an argument against the LSh. hey look hybrid sticker...20MPG...you green now...$104,000 plz.

Didn't you read my two posts in FAVOR of the FCX? By now, you should know I'm a huge Honda fan, as it's my favorite Japanese brand. Here, however, BMW has taken the initiative and is the first to test hydrogen cars in the public market. You continue to disregard that, instead blasting the car for its meager capabilities, while also disregarding the fact that a hydrogen car has never been available to the public before- this is in its earliest stage.

wow man, take it easy all of you. i know that bmw is doing a fantastic job and probably already developing a more revolutionary motor. but lets face it when or if these cars come out on sale would you chose a hydrogen that goes to 100 in 9.5 sec with 260hp or a normal 7 series that has the same v12, more hp, faster and probably costing less since it requires alot of components to produce a hydrogen engine which will def not come out cheap. and before bmw lets out these products how about they start introducin more hydrogen refuelling stations that will be able to receive the car in any place in britain. i mean the traveller wouldnt always want to stay in town but may go to the country side and i dont think he'll find a hydrogen station anywhere near there.

Yeah, first they finally got the idea about the regenerative brakes, then called it a hybrid vehicle.

Now they put a hydrogen tank in the trunk of a BMW 7, called it a fuel cell vehicle.

^0^ How innovative!

Toyota, Honda etc. have been running Fuel Cell Hydrogen Vehicles for years.

Audi4Life, the speed isn't the point. This car symbolizes so much more than the normal 760Li that they can't even be compared. This is a massive technological leap, and although it ain't fast, it is a mere taste of what could be transporting the world, decades from now. The 760 is just a big engine strapped into a big sedan... and it burns a big amount of fuel. You need to look at this from an environmental activist's perspective, not a car enthusiast's perspective.

Huu,

I humbly beg to differ.

Reserves [TCF]:

Iran: BP Statistical Review, year end 2005- 943.922, CEDIGAZ, January 1, 2006- 974.694, Oil and Gas Journal, January 1st 2007- 974.000, World Oil, year end 2005- 965.000

Russia: BP Statistical Review, year end 2005-1,688.046 , CEDIGAZ, January 1, 2006- 1,688.763, Oil and Gas Journal, January 1st 2007- 1,680.000, World Oil, year end 2005- 1,688.749

Iran is number 2.

i made no reference to a lexus outdoing a lexus. i simply pointed out that the LS600h getting 20MPG isn't very impressive. and it's hardly environmentally friendly. the hydrogen 7 is a test of a technology that could be the future of transportation.

and i love your lack of understanding of the geo-political landscape....likening ukraine to the US. any sane person with rather deal with the russians long term than have to stabilize the entire middle east for the sake of oil.

re: canadian oil reserves. trivial.

the price of oil is determined by the one who has spare refining capacity. and the only country that has that: saudi arabia. further, that one country sits on 25% of the world's reserves. iran is number two. the US and most of the first world are entirely dependent on the middle east.

solution: find ways to NOT use oil. hydrogen is one of those technologies. for all of our sakes, let's hope it advances quickly.

To say that where around 40% of our oil comes from is trivial flies in the face of all Petroleum Economics. To say that is the only factor is an incomplete picture as well. There is a refining bottle neck, but it isn’t because we are running at capacity. It is because the refineries that we have are increasingly not able to handle the crudes being produced.

Generally the United States utilizes between 88 and 90% of its refining capacity. There is a bottleneck because refineries are set up to handle a specific API range of oil. However, the average API of the oil on the market is gradually decreasing. The processes to handle these heavier oils are more expensive and require some different methods.

The very reason that Saudi Arabia has an excess refining capacity is that their refineries are set up to handle very sweet, light crudes- something which there are producing less and less of.

In addition, argue about reserves all you want, but realize that they change. Believe it or not the largest accumulation of oil in the world is in the United States- 5 times that which is in Saudi Arabia. It is not yet considered “reserves” simply because the price of crude is not high enough to make it economical. It will happen. I guarantee to you that on that day it will begin the decline and fall of the Kingdom of the House of Saud.

If you want a nice overview of the functioning of the petroleum markets in general and where they are headed I suggest the book "A Thousand Barrels a Second" by Peter Tertzakian. He is also a very good speaker. He Canadian so perhaps you would consider him biased...

LOL! So now you're changing the subject to better mileage and natural gas? When did I say diesels got better mileage and when did I talk about natural gas? What you just said has nothing to do with what I said to you. Jeez, just stop digging yourself a deeper hole.
Btw, I still can't believe you didn't know hybrids used standard 12v batteries. Especially after all that crap you're ranting about.

hydrogen is 90% HYPE, 10% functional.

lack of refueling infrastructure aside, the energy costs of extracting hydrogen, transporting and storing it, allowing for evaporative LOSSES, and a slew of other factors makes it IMPRACTICAL for use on any mass production basis.

the effort would be better applied in building more electrical generating plants (preferably alternative but even conventional), to RECHARGE batteries in plug-in hybrids and full EV vehicles.