Farewell E320 Bluetec

My god the hypocrisy! Only in America.

hahahahahaha who cares.?

OMG.
It's too expensive, and of course Mercedes should just stop making money to sell a few diesels.
I don't think it's shocking at all.
If Toyota lost money on the Prius it wouldn't sell it (so they made it expensive).

Cost and price should not be a problem for Mercedes because many people are still very happy to pay for overpriced Mercedes. If LS600h were in their hands, they could charge it for $200k. ^0^

"You Europeans sure talk good, but when it's time to put up, you all run like France."

I definitely laughed at that one!

The Insight was NEVER $30k, and the Civic Hybrid's MSRP is $23,195 ($3,090 more than an EX sedan automatic).

And yes Europeans love their subsidized diesel and heavily subsidized mass transit. However, if heavily subsidizing energy policies help them achieve better energy security than maybe we should consider doing the same. One problem with that is that the US is larger and more spread out than western Europe. If Germany was a US state, it would only be the 5th largest state. The EU is less than half the size of the US but has almost 2/3s more people.

I would not be surprised if the Prius is still losing money -- but who knows -- there are all sorts of tricky ways accountants can present this. As for the demise of the Bluetec, I suspect it is only temporary as MB can only produce a limited number of these engines anyway. We are probably not being told the whole story; I would not be surprised if MB marketing folk have discovered consumer resistance to having to see the dealer to get the Bluetec's chemical tank refilled in order to keep the Bluetec system operating cleanly. Apparently the engine will not start at some point if you are on a long trip and your special chemical tank runs dry. I have said before that the 72-degree angle between cylinder banks on the newest E-class V6 diesel makes me suspect that a V10 version is coming. A V10 may be in response to Audi's magnificent 500 h.p. V12 diesel engine. Anyway, I'm still hoping to see a nice 4-banger diesel in a more reasonably priced C-Class -- I need the range for long distance vacation drives.

The heart of Bluetec is not ULSD. ULSD is necessary to keep the particulate filter clean. That's all.

the is a lie
shw me one person that gets the 60mpg that the prius clames and i will dance in a dress

Guess what buddy. How do you like your hypocrisy served. Many companies make PZEV vehicles (as clean as it gets) but they only sell them in the 5 states. This get a 9 clean rating by the EPA. BUT, the same automakers sell dirtier (7 or worse) vehicles in all of the other states. Toyota does this with its hybrids. What dirty little hypocrites you shold say. Why doesn't Toyota sell its clean PZEV cars in ALL states instead of only 5??? MONEY. I guess they want to save money also. Get it???

Plus the 2008 Jetta TDI will be for sale in all 50 states very soon. It will be cleaner than the first PRIUS.

But this is a nice reminder that it is time for the EPA to stop giving "light trucks" freebies.

This will not be taking place anytime soon. As a dealer you can still order and configure an 08 E320 Bluetec.

I'm sure part of this is the strong euro and weak dollar. It's making it very hard for European makers to make any money in the US.

Maybe the US should standardize ULSD to see the best results from the new Diesel technology.

Huu, you say "The heart of Bluetec is ULSD" like that's a bad thing. A push for better quality and higher-octane fuels have a positive effect on the environment, with reduced emissions and better economy regardless of engine type.

I mean 91 octane (premium!?!) is a utter joke.

Your '100 year old technology' comment is ignorant but then I wouldn't expect anything else from you. As manufacturers across the board strive to reduce emissions and increase economy with the latest technology (Bluetec) your predictable ramblings are becoming even more irrelevant, if you weren't in the first place.

Because you are a keyboard-whore and not someone who actually makes decisions based on real-world experience and knowledge, you fail to see that clean diesel technology suits many drivers better than Hybrids. The increase in driver satisfaction is enough for many and outweighs any 10 grams of C02 difference between its nearest dull-driving competitor.

YOU are the biggest hypocrite of all. Spouting on about Europe's ignorance when you are sitting on your arse in a country where 80% of vehicles are big and thirsty.

Visit Europe and you will only see small, economic, and fun, most with the latest diesel technology. Canada may be large, but its cars don't have to be.

Again, you are a keyboard-whore and nothing more. Your posts are scarcely as insightful as you think they are, and your failure to report both sides of the story marks you out as nothing more than an irrelevant, biased and dare I say ethnocentric fool.

I laugh at American gas, we don't even sell 91 in Europe.
The lowest it goes is 95, and in poorer countries I think 93.

Huu does talk crap, continually ranting about how Europeans are lazy, stupid, slow, stuck in the dark ages, not promoting new technology, addicted to diesel, whores to America and pathetic.
This coming from a Jeep owner, a car so useless for (I'm guessing a single) man like huu it's ridiculous. A gas guzzler to the extreme, an old tech engine, from a company that refuses to adopt new technology, a car that apparently has a 47% chance of mechanical failure.
huu is the hypocrite (europeans are lazy, yet he drives a jeep), huu is the ignoramus (bluetec is apparently 100 years old, but obviously petrol engines aren't, and apparently one can drive from one side of Europe to the other in 2 hours), huu is biased (run like France? And talking of the old Jetta tdi with old diesel tech)) and above all huu is useless and contributes nothing car based at all to this site, only rants about Europe and America.
Why can't Americans have small cars? Why do they need giant V8s? Why does he think Europeans are anti-hybrid? Why huu, why?

Rupert, different octane ratings in US than in Europe.

91 here is 95 in Europe. And max here is 93, but not on the West coast. But you are correct on the other points.

i swear every post matty makes, he's so angry.

Angry? Or fustrated?

Huu76 has that effect on people.

I totally agree with you Matthew!

For the record, the highest octane fuel we get here is 102 octane BP. Shell V-power, Total excellium all have 100 octane.

Rupert

Best comment I have ever heard on Autospies.
You deserve a reward buddy....

Single and with a 4.0 Jeep...I don't understand.
Pulling firewood? How many times a year?
Supplies for home renovations? Again, how often? And also my tiny little car can carry plenty of stuff.

I got about twenty huge pieces of plywood into my little 2.0T A3. On the way home, it still got 26mpg. There's proof that you can lug wood and still be green.

Mercedes doesent need America ??? Well if we removed the US from the equation all the German manufacturers would go straight to the toilet.

And dude! you may not like Toyota or even its products but it speak miles about your miserable inferiority complex when you call it trash and the millions of american who prefer it over the anything made in EU as retarded.
It may be a foriegn concept to you . But out here we call it "choice"...
Take a moment and reflect on that.

Mercedes DOES NOT need America to sell diesels. Other than that the USA is one of the most important markets.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While you may not agree with Huu76, you are entitled to vent against him. Leave the US out of it. And leave the JEEP out of it.
You may not like or even understand it. But the Jeep Wrangler is the best damn offroader there is. Yes and that includes Cayenne. Period ..

As for V8's in the US every common man can have a rumbling v8 monster as opposed to the EU where you have to fork out 100k+ to have one.

Which leaves the Hybrid / Diesel debate. Which is a good one . Me - I prefer hybrids as they embrace the next level of technology about burning less fossil fuels. Diesels too have their proponents.

He doesn't have a Jeep Wrangler. He has a big, ugly, clumsy, thirsty Jeep GC.

Silly kid, take the VW range. Rabbit/Jetta both have a very affordable (15k) PZEV engine. JUST AS CLEAN AS THE PRIUS. Silly.

huu you will believe any marketing

Your I6 Jeep emits 40g more Co2, has 100 less hp than a touareg, gets worse MPG and is 2 seconds slower. And the Touareg does this while being bigger and 600 kg heavier. So as too VW not being able to improve engines, you're talking about as much crap as usual.

I would love to see his reply on your comment Rupert! This is starting to get hilarious!

GMC as in gas-guzzling pick-ups and commercial vehicles that still use engineering from 60 years ago? Gotta love that pushrod V8 or that 4-speed auto. How about leaf-springs?

Cause the dirty fuel clogs up the particulate filter.

That's like saying that a gasoline car is dirty on leaded fuel (cause the catalitic converter gets ruined because of the lead)

One size does not fit all.

That's why there are different cars for different markets -different values, different opinions, different needs.

Good for you.

" fact, PZEVs can burn cleaner than some hybrids when the hybrids' gasoline engine does not meet SULEV standards."

This is what I am doing with my PZEV. The earth is thanking me one mile at a time. Probably like 20 billion times cleaner than your Jeep.

ULSD is like unleaded petrol, just because the US is behind everyone else does not make USLD a specialist fuel, it's regular stuff in Europe. USLD will become standard in the US, I'm sure.
Your Jeep is in no way cleaner than a V6 Touareg, and that's before we get to the diesel V6 version...
Tell you what, we'll make it fair. We'll compare the new GC with the new Touareg.
Right then. With the 4.7 V8 (smallest petrol engine in Europe), it has 230 hp, does 0-60 in 8.5, gets 19 UK mpg and emits 352 g/km CO2.
The Touareg with a 3.6 V6, has 276 hp, does 0-60 in 8.4, gets 20 UK mpg and emits 324 g/km CO2.
The Touareg does this while weighing 184 kilos more (about 400 pounds), and can tow equal amounts to the GC.
Why are Jeeps better again? And when a 4.7 can only get 230...a 12 year old Bimmer can get 280 out of a 4.4.
What's also fun is that a 5.7 HEMI gets only 14 hp more than a 5.0tdi, despite having a whole .7 litre more displacement, and despite the fact that diesels are apparently slow and inefficient.

Nope, not exactly. PZEV has 0 evaporative emmissions. From your own article.

But there is also a secondary form of emissions: evaporative emissions that escape into the air in the form of fumes. This kind of emission usually occurs during fill-up at the gas station, but also takes place by way of venting from the fuel tank—vaporization of the fuel when the engine is running and heat soak after the car is parked. Depending on the vehicle, evaporative emissions can rival that of tailpipe emissions on hot days when the evaporation threshold is lowered.

A PZEV vehicle is cleaner because it has 0 evaporative emmisions. A SULEV could still be emmiting emmisions after it's turned off.

huu76 owned everyone here..

He did?

Actually, Rupert owned huu. Nice one! :)

Go Rupert!

And you fail to recognize the people who did such a good job combating him. Your Lexus bias shines through...

haha... I told you so long time ago, "Clean Diesel in 2009" is just a propaganda used by German 3s to try to stir things up before they could catch up on hybrids.

BTW, R&T got only 24mpg from E3320 Bluetec in their real world driving, 26mpg for GS450h, and 37mpg for Camry Hybrid.

GS450h and Camry hybrid are not in the class with E320 Bluetec? GS450h is 200lbs heavier too and almost 2s faster. Camry hybrid is like 0.5~1sec slower but far more fuel efficient.

Sport

It is in the July issue of R&T on E320 Bluetec update. C&D number was from almost all highway driving.


Sailor

How saving fuel has anything to do with the price of the car but not with its size?

You think people buying dirty diesels do not care about environment? But I think they only care about their money.

I completely agree!

You think there will by hydrogen before diesel hybrids?!!? Are you insane?
Oh wait yeah

Nice. Real creative. What an ignorant hypocrite- you hate it when people call Lexus cars re-badged Toyos, but when you compare my A3 (which can dust your cars) to a VW, it's okay, right? Yes, of course.

And how would you have any idea what I used the plywood for? Do you stalk me? Probably.

I could give you a list why Americans are so hated in the world.

You want it?

No huu, you're one of the stupid Americans we talk about.
Kalimba is stupid for liking his 280cdi E class (a very good car)? For saying diesel is better than Americans think? For saying Americans should get diesel?

And since when is petrol taxed twice as high as diesel?
And you hate Europeans? I think we got that from your months of rants for no reason.
Diesel is better than hybrid at the moment! Diesels are cheaper to make, get similar if not better mileage, less heavy, less complicated, I can't see why you would have this ridiculous campaign against them, unless you are terminally stupid (and judging by some of your arguments, back tracking and ignoring information...and by the fact you think you can get across Europe in 2 hours...)

And for your information my family has multiple properties, and you know what? If we need to move a lot, we hire a diesel van, and drive something approaching fuel efficient for the rest of the year, rather than some crud bucket with a centuries old I6.

Use the new 5 series with efficient dynamics!!! Not the old 528!
The new 530i emits 40g/km less than the LS600h! (180 vs 220)
At 10000 miles per annum (16000 km) a 530i emits 2.8 metric tons of CO2, an LS600h 3.52. (no idea where you got that 8.7 thing from)
The 530i gets to 60 in 6.1 seconds, and the European LS600h in 6.3.
The 530i gets 36 UK mpg, the LS600h around 26 UK (official figures yet to be released, Lexus claim this)
I'm using the European cycle so as to avoid the EPA ratings change.
Therefore fuel for Lexus more money.
Plus the Lexus costs nearly 3 times more money, and since the 530i is 50 state legal etc...ummm...what were you saying?

Well, townhouses could mean anything. Where in London?

My whole family, I mean my parents. I am not old enough to own property.

A big country that has everything? A pity that has to include you. And snow, and blizzards, and just generally terrible weather. Isn't like half of Toronto underground to hide from the weather?

As soon as the Bluetec system is fully aproved by the EPA it will be perfectly good for sale.

The E320 CDI was sold until 2007, and was replaced by the E320 Bluetec.

You didn't know that was a joke for winning an Award but not qualified at the beginning? The damn thing is not even 50 state legal!

Very good article that compares the E320 and GS450h.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061109/BLOG06/61108001/-1/mmstoryfull

Diesel promoters always like to use diesel's highway mileage to compare with hybrid's short distance driving city mileage and then downplay the role of its emissions by not even mentioning them.

Diesels emit less CO2 than petrols!
Why don't you understand that...
Honda is held back by the S2000 and type-R etc, just remember the European line-up is very different from the American one.
Anybody who makes an S class sized car will do poorly on this test, but if Lexus was there, it would be bottom.

How is diesel dirtier?

Toyota only has 3 SUVs in Europe anyway, and 1 small diesel pick-up, the rest is the Aygo, Yaris, Corolla, Previa and Avensis. No Camry, no Avalon, no giant minivan (the Previa isn't that big and has a 2.0d or a 2.4 petrol), so it's no surprise that Toyota does well.

huu76 is my hero! =D

oh and, bye bye bluetec! we only knew ya for so little a time...

I can't believe people are replying to Huu76. I figured out a long time ago that this guy is a moron. Ignore him.

Why does EVERY SINGLE diesel and/or hybrid thread become a gigantic "rag on huu76 extravaganza?" I must say, taking on an angry bunch of you is a challenge even for me, but huu76 does it brilliantly without losing his cool, moreso than any German fan I've seen.

I commend him.

It's like watching Rosie O'Donnell in a celebrity deathmatch against all of Fox News and Elizabeth Hasselbeck.

When Huu spouts blatant lies, and tries to fight against people with actual qualifications and expertise, and says stupid things like "I hate Europeans", "Europeans are lazy/stupid/backward", when he calls Kalimba stupid, whose crime was to say "I like my E class", when he says "bluetec is soupcans", when he ignores data and presents his own, which is usually wrong, then I think we have a right to get just a little annoyed.
And he ignores you if he doesn't like what you say, I see no evidence from him as to why diesel is dirtier, do you?

So huu76 is the Rosie O'Donnell of Autospies! Was that meant as a compliment? Yikes, with friends like that, who needs enemies?

As I see it, Rosie is an opinionated, factless, loud mouth who relishes the spotlight. Its fine to have opinions, but to tout them as hard fact when they are not is wrong. Oh, I now understand your comparison...

The proposed 2013+ Diesel NOx Euro 6 emission standard will be still 100% higher than 2007 US bin 5 standard (the maximum for 50 states), let alone the current Euro 4 and the coming Euro 5 in 2009.

diesels make the air go black =(

huu76, for some reason I am unable to use the "reply to this comment" function so I'll try and answer at the end of all these comments:

It is precicely due to the fact that Europe is gobbling up all the 4-cylinder Mercedes diesel production that is delaying its introduction to North America. Nobody has unlimited production capacity. I agreee that the sure way to reduce emissions is to burn less fuel and I am sure that the Mercedes 4-banger diesel uses a lot less fuel than the V6 diesel it currently has in North America. I would love to see a big fuel tank and a miserly engine for long driving range.

Aloha,Perhaps I missed the post.But the CNN article has been corrected."Correction: An earlier version of this gallery said the E320 would no longer be sold in the U.S. after this year. In fact, it will continue to be sold in the 45 states in which it is now available. We regret the error" Never Mind?

THIS ARTICLE WAS RETRACTED AND CORRECTED. IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE SOLD IN THE STATES. Good thing. I own one and think it's awesome!

why would anyone buy a Mercedes diesel anyway???? if you drive a Mercedes what do you care about MPG? diesel fuel is very nasty stinky stuff - I'd hate to get that shit on my hands or clothes (I have before).
Oh and did I mention the exhaust is a known carcinogen?

dude chill....think xanax

From an updated page on the Money site:

Correction: An earlier version of this gallery said the E320 would no longer be sold in the U.S. after this year. In fact, it will continue to be sold in the 45 states in which it is now available. We regret the error.