Porsche Takes Top Honors In Latest JD Power Initial Quality Survey

Porsche Takes Top Honors In Latest JD Power Initial Quality Survey
“The 2007 IQS results contain some encouraging and positive news for Ford Motor Company,” said Neal Oddes, director of product research and analysis at J.D. Power and Associates. “Fourteen Ford Motor Company models place in the top three of their respective segments—an achievement unmatched by any other corporation this year—which is a testament to the improvement in quality for Ford Motor Company vehicle models and plants. In addition, their Lincoln nameplate, which receives two segment awards, improves considerably to rank third in 2007, from 12th in 2006.”

The Initial Quality Study serves as the industry benchmark for new-vehicle quality measured at 90 days of ownership and captures problems experienced by owners in two distinct categories—quality of design and quality of production (defects and malfunctions). Over the past 20 years, the automotive industry has improved in quality at the rate of 6 percent per year on average—a 20-year improvement rate of more than 120 percent. In addition, the study has found that the automotive industry has reduced problem counts by 50 percent every 7 to 8 years.

The study finds that vehicle redesigns and product launches create quality challenges for manufacturers as they continue to develop and introduce new and advanced automotive technologies. On average, a vehicle redesign increases problem counts by 10 problems per 100 (PP100) vehicles.

“Ideally, manufacturers should aim to achieve high initial quality when launching a new model, since this builds a strong foundation for future years and can become a differentiating factor relative to the competition,” said Oddes. “One year after launch, initial quality begins to improve by an average of 7 PP100. If a model launches with lower initial quality, it is more difficult for the manufacturer to keep pace with the competition over time.”

2007 IQS Ranking Highlights

Mercedes-Benz and Toyota models capture three segment awards each. Toyota models that receive awards are the 4Runner, Sequoia and Tacoma. Mercedes-Benz models that earn awards are the E-Class, SL-Class, and the S-Class. The S-Class ties with the Audi A8 (total) for having the fewest quality problems in the industry, with just 72 problems per 100 vehicles.

“Mercedes-Benz shows dramatic improvement, particularly with its newly-redesigned S-Class, which improves 63 PP100,” said Oddes. “Overall, Mercedes-Benz improves its nameplate rank by 20 positions—the greatest rank increase of any nameplate in the study. All Mercedes-Benz models in the study improved substantially, and the breadth and speed of these improvements demonstrates the Mercedes-Benz commitment to quality.”

For the second consecutive year, Porsche tops the overall nameplate rankings, averaging 91 PP100. Following in the rankings are Lexus, Lincoln, Honda and Mercedes-Benz, respectively. Honda, with the fewest problems per 100 among non-premium brands, improves in the ranking to fourth from sixth since the 2006 study and earns awards with the Civic and CR-V. Among non-premium brands, Kia posts the largest improvement in ranking, moving from 24th in 2006 to 12th in 2007 and earning an award for the Kia Rio/Rio5 for the second year in a row.

The most improved nameplates in the study are Land Rover (increasing in initial quality by 34 PP100), Saab (improving by 30 PP100) and Mercedes-Benz (increasing by 28 PP100).

Other nameplates receiving model awards in 2007 include Chevrolet (Express and Silverado Classic HD), Lexus (RX350/RX400h) Pontiac (Grand Prix) and Porsche (Boxster).

Assembly Plant Awards

For the first time since 1999, a North American assembly plant receives the Platinum Plant Quality Award for producing vehicles yielding the fewest defects. Ford Motor Company’s Wixom assembly plant in Michigan, which produced the Lincoln Town Car, averages just 35 PP100. Plant awards are based solely on defect counts.

Among other North and South American plants, the General Motors Oshawa 2 plant in Ontario, Canada, which produces the Buick LaCrosse and Pontiac Grand Prix, receives the Silver Plant Quality Award. American Honda’s East Liberty, Ohio, plant, which produces the Honda Civic Sedan and Honda Element, earns the Bronze Plant Quality Award.

In the Asia Pacific region, Toyota’s Kyushu, Japan, plant, which produces the Lexus ES 350, Lexus IS 250/IS 350, Lexus RX 350, Lexus RX 400h and Toyota Highlander/Highlander Hybrid receives the Gold Plant Quality Award. Toyota’s Fujimatsu, Japan, plant, which produces the Toyota Prius, earns the Silver Plant Quality Award. American Honda’s Sayama, Japan, and Suzuka, Japan, plants tie for the Bronze Plant Quality Award. The Sayama plant produces the Acura RL, Acura TSX, Honda Accord Sedan/Hybrid Sedan and Honda CR-V. The Suzuka plant produces the Honda Civic Sedan/Hybrid Sedan, Fit and S2000.

BMW’s Regensburg, Germany, plant, which produces the BMW 3-Series Coupe and 3-Series Sedan, receives the Gold Plant Quality Award for Europe. Earning the Silver Quality Plant Award is the Mercedes-Benz Sindelfingen, Germany, plant, which produces the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, CL-Class, CLS-Class, E-Class Sedan, E-Class Wagon, and S-Class. Audi’s Neckarsulm, Germany, plant, which produces the Audi A6 Avant, A6 Sedan, A8 Sedan, RS 4 Sedan, S6 Sedan and S8 Sedan, receives the Bronze Plant Quality Award.

The 2007 Initial Quality Study is based on responses from more than 97,000 purchasers and lessees of new 2007 model-year cars and trucks surveyed after 90 days of ownership. The study is based on a 228-question battery designed to provide manufacturers with information to facilitate problem determination and drive product improvement.



kpaxxkpaxx - 6/6/2007 2:03:13 PM
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Blah Blah Blah...how does anybody think that JD Power surveys have any validity.

First they survey people.

Second how is there any statistic validity to such small discrepancies. Certainly JD Power has not published the strength of there differences.


david999david999 - 6/6/2007 8:56:30 PM
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Good points XeroKool.


MonkMonk - 6/6/2007 10:31:58 PM
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XeroKOOL, they had bad long-term dependability results because of reliability on vehicles from 2000ish-2005ish.
Even though they're not the best, I applaud them on making generous leaps in the steps to improve reliability. Eventually, their long-term tests will improve (give it a couple years).


GennissenGennissen - 6/7/2007 4:28:14 AM
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xerokool - Don't be such a twit. If this year's rankings improved over last year's rankings, then it simply means that in the next long term reliability and quality tests, MB and co. would have improved drastically as well. The discrepancy may maintain but overall, the marque has improved.


kpaxxkpaxx - 6/6/2007 2:22:15 PM
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Kudos to Ford (Lincoln) and MB for doing so well!


kpaxxkpaxx - 6/6/2007 2:24:16 PM
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How could Porsche do so well. I thought the Germans made Porsches.


Agent009Agent009 - 6/6/2007 2:26:35 PM
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and that means what?


Agent009Agent009 - 6/6/2007 2:26:10 PM
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IQS is an indicator of the overall quality of the assembly more than a reliability ranking.

In other words how well do you screw them together?

If you round off the figures you will notice that the best ranked brand Porsche will typically have one issue surface in the first 90 days that needs to be addressed. While the worst ranked Land Rover will typically have a total of 2 in the first 90 days.

So unless you expect absolute perfection then numbers express very little from top to bottom.


truecarlovertruecarlover - 6/6/2007 6:13:25 PM
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Well said 009. The reliability issues people have nowadays in my eyes tend to be of the electronic variety. One of the cars my family has is a 7 year old Accord and - thank God - I've never had a problem with it - and have only had to do necessary maintenance. Yet, I have two friends who have Acura's (a TL, and an MDX) and they have all kinds of electronic problems.


truecarlovertruecarlover - 6/6/2007 10:10:22 PM
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Actuallly XeroKool - I was responding to 009 and agreeing with his point that this survey is more about quality of assembly than it is about long term reliability.


Agent009Agent009 - 6/7/2007 8:47:17 AM
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To add fuel to the fire the last two Hondas I bought had several assembly issues in the first 90 days, so they actaully faired far worse than these scores.

One had 4 and the other had 7, but after those were addressed they were flawless. All issues were addressed in one of two visits to the dealership.

So I guess your mileage may vary.



kpaxxkpaxx - 6/6/2007 2:27:15 PM
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"The S-Class ties with the Audi A8 (total) for having the fewest quality problems in the industry, with just 72 problems per 100 vehicles."

Does this mean that people who own an S-Class/A8 have less problems than people who own an LS460?

This can't be!


Agent009Agent009 - 6/6/2007 2:49:39 PM
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This is correct. The Audi A8 and the Mercedes S-Class beat the new LS460 in initial overall quality.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 6/7/2007 6:44:52 PM
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i like the s-class, but this wont make me buy one. i'd take an LS because i live rite nxt to some of the biggest MB dealerships in MD and the washington dc area and i dont want to have wat everyone is having. but i give MB kudos for improving heavily.


RupertRupert - 6/6/2007 2:39:36 PM
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Rearrange these words to form a common phrase:

straws

clutching

at


Agent009Agent009 - 6/6/2007 2:50:18 PM
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LOL- Gotta love it Rupert!


SevorbeupstryIsBackSevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/7/2007 7:25:53 AM
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Love your sense of humour Rupert!


RupertRupert - 6/6/2007 2:38:05 PM
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I can't believe it.
Not only is a German maker top, but 2 German cars have the fewest problems.
"Mercedes-Benz models that earn awards are the E-Class, SL-Class, and the S-Class."
The E class is better. What was once the least dependable model is now cured.
Well done Mercedes, I have faith.
This is odd, why do I feel proud?


RupertRupert - 6/6/2007 2:38:42 PM
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And Merc is 5th overall.
Wow.


RupertRupert - 6/6/2007 6:28:03 PM
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I'm quite scared.
You seem very...intense...


henbmwhenbmw - 6/7/2007 5:22:26 PM
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GO GERMANS


stevenv1999stevenv1999 - 6/6/2007 3:15:21 PM
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For all you guys who say that a cars quality is judged farther out than 90 days didn't read the article-“One year after launch, initial quality begins to improve by an average of 7 PP100. If a model launches with lower initial quality, it is more difficult for the manufacturer to keep pace with the competition over time.” I think it is funny, that some people feel the need to strongly voice their opinion, even if it is not based in fact?



Agent009Agent009 - 6/6/2007 4:21:21 PM
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Actually formula1 has a point. It would be interesting to see the average life span of a Euro vs a Japanese make. All of these surveys and studies cap off after 3 or 4 years of use, so a large part of the equation may be missing.


GennissenGennissen - 6/7/2007 4:22:41 AM
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XeroKool' remember the improvement is being compared from that of the last rankings and hence given that the discrepency continues, never the less, the long term will also improve.


gsh23gsh23 - 6/6/2007 3:41:58 PM
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wait, believing JD Power is ok now? what gives?


Will_Will_ - 6/6/2007 4:03:16 PM
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lol.

Lexus tops for seven consecutive years: JD Powers is bulls#!t.

Mercedes and Audi marginally beat out Lexus one year: "I'm proud."


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/6/2007 6:36:55 PM
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Considering how you continually bash Audi and Mercedes (as well as BMW) for having reliability that is "far inferior" to Lexus, you should eat your words.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/7/2007 12:42:11 AM
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And Audi is still #11 in long-term reliability. I'd wait for the 2007 rankings, though.


Will_Will_ - 6/6/2007 4:07:29 PM
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I'm happy this day has come. I can now faithfully cross-shop the S-Class and LS without thinking twice.




gsh23gsh23 - 6/6/2007 5:12:17 PM
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if you shop only at mercedes and no where else, it simply means that you are a tool


RupertRupert - 6/6/2007 5:28:29 PM
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Are you actually serious Will?
I never get your sarcasm...


mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 6/7/2007 2:08:16 PM
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Formula 1- not only do MBZ buyers "cross shop" with Lexus, but they more often than not choose the Lexus (assuming they can afford one after comparing MBZ factory subsidized leases(read cheap) with Lexus which is hardly supported at all by our finance arm LFS)


truecarlovertruecarlover - 6/6/2007 6:15:17 PM
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"The Initial Quality Study serves as the industry benchmark for new-vehicle quality measured at 90 days of ownership and captures problems experienced by owners in two distinct categories—quality of design and quality of production (defects and malfunctions). Over the past 20 years, the automotive industry has improved in quality at the rate of 6 percent per year on average—a 20-year improvement rate of more than 120 percent. In addition, the study has found that the automotive industry has reduced problem counts by 50 percent every 7 to 8 years."

To me - that was the best part of the article. It bodes well for all of us as consumers.


WillisWillis - 6/6/2007 6:29:31 PM
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I like how XeroCool goes through all this hard to work to constantly remind us how Lexus rules. A true Lexus fanboy.


xj13xj13 - 6/7/2007 7:47:17 AM
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Let me say, Lexus a boring cheap cars that are made for Merc wanna be's, nobody can create cars like our german boyz. Sorry but Merc have heritage, that’s 110 years of motoring, not like Lexus who only started copying Merc less than 20 years ago.

Lexus stand back and watch how it’s done......

I got sucked in a bought a lexus a few years ago and vowed never again, only good for going in straight lines.



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/6/2007 6:37:10 PM
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"The S-Class ties with the Audi A8 (total) for having the fewest quality problems in the industry, with just 72 problems per 100 vehicles."

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/6/2007 6:38:55 PM
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Oh, so I guess that makes the A8 and S-Class the perfect cars: performance, luxury, style, prestige... AND reliability. Eat that, Lexus fans!


WillisWillis - 6/6/2007 6:49:42 PM
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Funny, one of my neighbours down the road has an LS430 and he's suffering from a bunch of electronic problems at the moment. And unlike some other people here, I don't lie, nor am I fanboy. Long term dependability? Alright...


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/7/2007 12:44:16 AM
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And even so- I don't give two shits about these rankings. My cars have been fabulous in terms of long-term reliability. Why do you think I keep buying them? If they really had problems (and mind you, I'm not a patient person), I'd just get rid of them.


SevorbeupstryIsBackSevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/7/2007 7:29:57 AM
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It's a fact that the A8 is a very reliable car. I own one and it never let me down. Except that one time when the airbag started flipping and the car refuses to start. :)


mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 6/7/2007 2:10:10 PM
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What are you....12?


Will_Will_ - 6/6/2007 7:37:34 PM
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Just goes to show how cocky and bitchy you German fans can be.

Rupert, I was dead serious.

S4cab, you're a joke.

formula1 = idiot.

XeroKool, don't waste your time on these people.

Mercedes having the biggest increase EVER in any of these surveys just goes to show how low their quality WAS. Nobody was lying, or pulling their quality issues out of thin air. The fact that most of you seem to accept these results just legitimizes all those years Lexus was at the top. But don't laugh too hard, Lexus will only work twice as hard now on their products.


JasonRBareJasonRBare - 6/6/2007 9:13:08 PM
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Wow. Will showing his TRUE colors. I would also be mad that the IQS, a Lexus lover's trump card, had Mercedes take more spots than Lexus (Lexus only got 1). Also, that comment about you shopping for an LS and an S made me laugh alot.


Will_Will_ - 6/6/2007 9:33:56 PM
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Who are you?

And look again before you pronounce your love for Germany by attacking me: there are 5 Lexus models up there.c Lexus hasn't gone anywhere, Mercedes just rose back up to where they should have been a long time ago.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/7/2007 12:46:16 AM
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And that just shows how nervous you are! You are hilarious, Will. I get a good laugh out of your posts.

When a German brand gets a better "reliability/quality" ranking than Toyota/Lexus, you try to feign confidence, but I can see through that. As much as I don't care about these rankings, it's fun to see these things happen.


Will_Will_ - 6/7/2007 8:40:01 AM
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What is there to be nervous about? And what is so funny?

You guys keep trying to pick for some big fight. I refuse to be antagonized by a couple of immature German fans.


LB13LB13 - 6/6/2007 8:50:18 PM
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senorg,

What year and model did you drive?


LB13LB13 - 6/6/2007 8:53:10 PM
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I love you Will.


david999david999 - 6/6/2007 9:07:43 PM
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Initial quality and long-term reliability are not the same. Check out
Consumer Reports for those numbers. Many of the German marques don't come anywhere close to the Japanese makes.


JasonRBareJasonRBare - 6/6/2007 9:17:13 PM
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Now we're splitting hairs!!! My, what will Lexus and their pathetic fans use to trump other brands. Can't be looks, can't be prestige, can't be driving characteristics, can't be safety and as of late, can't be reliability!!!



twistednecktwistedneck - 6/7/2007 9:12:53 PM
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LMAO at David99 - back when the japanese makes ruled initial quality it was so important.. now its this LOAD

'Initial quality and long-term reliability are not the same. Check out Consumer Reports for those numbers. Many of the German marques don't come anywhere close to the Japanese makes.'

Face it, the delcine is in progress.. the scham cant go on forever.


henbmwhenbmw - 6/7/2007 11:12:30 PM
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CONSUMERREPORTS:

To earn our first-tier recommendation , vehicles must have performed well in CR's tests, have average or better reliability, and, if crash-tested, provide good overall crash protection based on our composite of insurance-industry and government crash tests. Vehicles also must not have tipped up in the government rollover test or, if not tested, must have available electronic stability control.

To earn our more stringent, second-tier recommendation , vehicles must meet all first-tier requirements, have been included in the front-offset and side-crash tests conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, and provide very good or excellent overall crash protection.

Audi A3: Second-tier recommendation
Audi A4: Second-tier recommendation
Audi A6: Second-tier recommendation
Audi S4: Second-tier recommendation
BMW 3-series: Second-tier recommendation
BMW 5-series: First-tier recommendation
BMW 6-series: First-tier recommendation
.....

And this is 2006 models....



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/7/2007 12:47:55 AM
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"Problem free whatsoever?" I'm not in the mood to be a grammar teacher, but I hate it when people use the term "whatsoever" incorrectly in their sentences.

My "fun car" is an '05 S4 Cabriolet and it's been "problem free whatsoever."


MonkMonk - 6/6/2007 10:40:24 PM
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japanese fans, give us german car fans a little time for joy...MB has greatly improved
so stop chanting, "Initial quality versus Long-term reliability is different." MB is rising from the ashes


MonkMonk - 6/6/2007 10:40:32 PM
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japanese fans, give us german car fans a little time for joy...MB has greatly improved
so stop chanting, "Initial quality versus Long-term reliability is different." MB is rising from the ashes


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 6/7/2007 12:48:59 AM
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I hate these articles. Designed for flame wars. The title isn't bad, though.

Coming home from work, to this, is like going back to work.

Why can't we all just get along?

...no, I take that back.


mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 6/7/2007 2:16:30 PM
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Give me the vin#so I can look it up on the Lexus national service history.


SevorbeupstryIsBackSevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/7/2007 1:47:48 AM
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"The S-Class ties with the Audi A8 (total) for having the fewest quality problems in the industry, with just 72 problems per 100 vehicles. "

I knew it!

“Mercedes-Benz shows dramatic improvement, particularly with its newly-redesigned S-Class, which improves 63 PP100,” said Oddes. “Overall, Mercedes-Benz improves its nameplate rank by 20 positions—the greatest rank increase of any nameplate in the study. All Mercedes-Benz models in the study improved substantially, and the breadth and speed of these improvements demonstrates the Mercedes-Benz commitment to quality.”

Ladies and Gentlemen, they're back!




GennissenGennissen - 6/7/2007 4:55:41 AM
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What is funny is that there was a similar survey that showed Hyundai reeling in Lexus and yet the Nippon crew was quick to discredit it and referred to this particular JD survey as the one to look forward to. come on guys!!!


GennissenGennissen - 6/7/2007 4:58:34 AM
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My apologies - it was Hyundai gaining on Toyota


xj13xj13 - 6/7/2007 7:48:43 AM
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ITS BENZ OR Nothing...Get IT?


henbmwhenbmw - 6/7/2007 8:39:09 AM
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Must commend Lexus for maintaining such high ratings. But I can't hold back my joy for Porsche


BenzW124BenzW124 - 6/7/2007 9:48:32 AM
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Lexus who?

Benz is back!

Btw, where's BMW?


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jt716jt716 - 6/7/2007 4:21:01 PM
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Well Ford is doing great


investor27investor27 - 6/7/2007 8:23:29 PM
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Are they comparing the Mercedes S and others with their previous generation models? If you compare the 2003 Mercedes (VW220) vs the current generation S class (VW221), then I can see how Mercedes is on top, because the last generation S class was full of problems.


twistednecktwistedneck - 6/7/2007 9:08:15 PM
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this cracks me up.. the only big story here is toyota going down and ford going up.. yet only two posters comment on it.

If its german or japanese and it just has to be the best.

btw, i own a german car, and i still laugh at the bias you guys show.



Will_Will_ - 6/8/2007 7:19:24 AM
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Toyota/Lexus isn't going "down." There's no link to the actual results from this article, but we can all guess that Toyota took the overall No. 1 spot. The big news in this article is how well several brands have risen up from the very bottom of their previous list. Ford, Land Rover, Saab and Mercedes all had dramatic increases, with a lot of Ford and Mercedes's products taking top spots in many segments.

Meanwhile, it was a Lexus plant that received the highest award for quality production, with all from Germany and others receiving silver and bronze awards.

That is the article in a nutshell.


M53RM53R - 6/8/2007 11:57:10 AM
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Where is BMW????


PorschinatorPorschinator - 6/8/2007 11:25:02 PM
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German vs Japan....geez it never ceases...lol. Both producing great cars in thier own right. You guys are laughs...


motomoto - 6/12/2007 6:00:28 PM
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Clearly not a single statistician among us, so all this discussion is for naught. Fanboys, put down your flamethrowers for a second and use those braincells for once.

You CANNOT rightly compare the quality of BRANDS or COUNTRIES using the data you have. If you want to have an intelligent discussion, then let's pull up some real data and discuss relative quality of VEHICLE MODELS. Each manufacturer has its good and not-so-good models. Initial quality studies are but a vague indicator of actual quality and are not very accurate predictors of model-versus-model problems. Until JD Powers issues correction factors to indicate severity and cost of problems, then their study does nothing to properly compare quality.

Which is the worse car, the fully loaded, high performance model with one safety problem that is solved at great inconvenience to the owner, or the car that has many minor glitches that need attention over time, or the basic model that has no creature features and no comfort but never breaks? You can argue all day on this, and no one will win.

If you want to brag about reliability, please move to a John Deere-versus-Case fanboy argument board.


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