Money magazine recants story about the demise of Bluetec

Oh, I'm glad. We can still look at it, if I can convince her that diesel isn't how it used to be...

I knew it!

I hate it when ToyLex fanboys start vicious rumors.

still it went sale that good, because people think that diesel still havey and noise.

So huu was misinformed then...oh well, it's good that you're still getting it.

Which 5 states will it not be sold in? I can guess CA, so the other four?

CA is one and the other northeastern states that follow CA's emmissions rules..NY, CT, MA, and VT

Mercedes got the blue! Blue smoke that is.

Perhaps the original story was planted to see just how warm the public is toward diesels. A negative reaction to the story could possible accelerate diesel imports from Mercedes.

Nobody reads Money Magazine anyway...

"Correction: An earlier version of this gallery said the E320 would no longer be sold in the U.S. after this year. In fact, it will continue to be sold in the 45 states in which it is now available. We regret the error."

But they didn't retract no Adblue (peeing while driving) statement.

What is more, that will be a slap on face for German if Honda could really bring out 50 states legal diesel by 2009 with no requirement of mantaining its exhaust sytem.

Shut it Toyotaman, just shut it.

I think he means the emissions are the lowest, not the standards.
But that could really be misinterpreted.

It doesn't mean Bluetec always have to have Adblue (urea)...look at the C220 concept! http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshows/12577/mercedes-benz-vision-c220-bluetec-concept.html
Since it's a compact car, the emissions will be low enough without the need for the Adblue system. Only the diesel SUVs will require it.

so just saying, it doesn't mean Honda can do everything diesel without something...probably only on their compacts at least
but we'll see

Someone is missing from this thread.

How are diesels "stupid" for passenger cars?

Huu76, what a moron.

Some of you are still confused about the whole emission story as it relates to upcoming diesels and most of you are under an allusion that different car companies are using different technologies, and some of you are confused as to how the technologies will be applied to meet tier 2, bin 5 in our future.

It is not all about SCR (post-urea/ammonia injection) and, even then, urea is not the chemical used to abate NOx; it is actually ammonia, but since ammonia is a hazardous material, manufacturers will use urea solutions (Ad-Blue is Daimler's brand), which are chemically changed to ammonia and injected upstream from the catalyst to abate NOx. But this external fluid will not be required by any manufacturer for four cylinder applications; not Honda with their 2.2; not VW with their 2.0; and not Mercedes with their 2.2. All of these smaller engines will use an entirely different technology, called Lean NOx Trap (LNT) [see www.greencarcongress.com], in which an in-house system is used to create its on ammonia. We should also see LNT systems come about for the Mitsubishi Lancer and possibly, the Mini Cooper D.

Only the V-6s and larger engines will use SCR and will require the consumer to purchase this urea solution, and this is the case for all manufacturers thus far. GM, Ford, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, BMW, Audi, Nissan, Cummins, and Honda (if they decide to release a V-6 for the Ridgeline and Odyssey diesel) all plan to use SCR for their V-6s and V-8s in upcoming diesel engines.

All the new diesels currently being sold in the U.S. today include new engine designs and diesel particulate filters which require them to accept ULSD and/or biodiesel fuel to keep from contaminating the DPFs. These technologies reduce PM by around 90% and NOx by around 30%. This means that the PM issue is solved through 2010, even for semi trucks, but the NOx issue is still lingering.

This 30% NOx reduction will net SUV's and pickup trucks meeting emission compliance for 2007 in all but NY, ME, CA, VT, and MA. Those states are already at Tier 2, bin 5. The rest of the country will also be at Tier 2, bin 5 by 2009 for all vehicles under 8501 GVWR (1/2-ton pickup and below). By 2010 for 3/4 ton and 1-ton trucks, and by 2011 for semi-trucks, which must also substantially reduce NOx.

This 30% NOx reduction is not enough for passenger cars to meet emissions in any state for 2007, which is why we have only one passenger car being sold in forty-five states (E320 BlueTec), and this is why the E320 is the only vehicle using BlueTec (It is the only vehicle that needs BlueTec to meet forty-five state emission compliance). The current E320 BlueTec uses an LNT system, but since it is larger than a four cylinder engine, that technology is not quite powerful enough to get that diesel car to meet tier 2, bin 5. Mercedes will soon apply SCR-BlueTec technology to the E320 BlueTec and all to all their SUVs. This will solve two problems. It will help the