Can't believe you all missed this! Hyundai bests Lexus in new Comparo!

IS looks 10X better than GS, IMO.

What? That's my opinion. Why would someone de-boost me for that?

because your opinion is WRONG. haha nah i agree

Do people who shop for a RX actually look at the Hyundai? I helped my mother search for a new car 2 years back (RX330) and her other interested were in the MDX and X5. Must be hyundai's/Ford's commercials comparing themselves to the likes of the LS460, BMW X5, Lexus RX, Land Rover etc. My question is how many of you feel that these commercials are actually effective?

Just because the Veracruz won first place isn't anything but an opinion I'm assuming. And that also doesn't make it the better vehicle all around.

Do you shop with out an opinion. "That's just your opinion" is kind of a weak argument, don't you think?

No, not really because everyone has their own opinion. Just because someone said that the Veracruz was better in no way means it really is.

Just like how some of the more biased Lexus fans on this site (I don't consider you as one of them) have opinions that aren't necessarily true?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Ha ha ;). But even you will back me up on this one, right S4. I know you're not the biggest Lexus fan but honestly, just because someone thinks that since the Hyundai is cheaper to own/run/etc. doesn't make it the better vehicle. For some maybe, but for others, not so much. Like another comment said, the Hyundai doesn't offer a navigation system, it uses fake wood, and the interior doesn't have the precise detail that a Lexus does. Some people, like this reviewer, think that's fine. I don't however. That's my opinion and I think I have pretty good reasons why.

Yes, exactly, I agree with you.

That's true.

The Hyundai does not even offer nav- has fake wood, etc. It has really good build quality and high quality textures and build quality coupled with a drastically lower price. This is why they picked it.

I noticed that too. Have you seen the Hyundai commercial where they compare the Azera to the LS? Did you notice they never once showed the interior of the Azera? That's because it's cheap. Lexus has attention to detail in their vehicles.

no, i remember the commercial showing the interior of the Azera, but not the LS.

Oh that's right. I remembered that it only showed the interior of one of the vehicles. But still, they never showed the inside of the Lexus because it looks so much better than the Hyundai's.

I dont know about nicer Fabian but some of the models that the hyundai are putting out now, most notably the Sonata, are not bad looking cars in any capacity. I find it, dare I say, quite attractive from the outside. Some of the other cars though, such as the Accent and the Minivan they make aren't the best looking by far in their class.

Have you seen the V8 show car? Is great looking.

Yeah that sedan will be a giant-killer. Can't wait for the comparo between that and the german/lexus luxury cruisers.

I think the Santa Fe is the second best looking in its class as well(after the CRV)

Hyundai is really upping its game, but better than the RX?...umm..I don't know about that. Let me find out Motor Trend is jumping on the "lets bash Lexus" bandwagon with Car and Driver.

THERE ISN'T A HUGE CONSPIRACY AGAINST LEXUS!

As stupid as this review is, that is simply why they picked it: value. It's 100% valid.

Now, if I were still looking for a car for my wife (back in 2003), and the Veracruz was out, I wouldn't even have considered it. But I can see what the magazine is doing- they're making a point.

I'd watch my back, Xero, because that's exactly why plenty of Lexus models were chosen over their competitors in the '90s. Don't be surprised if Hyundai gets just as good.

I am not one to stick up for Lexus, but you can't compare a vechicle that is on it's last leg to one that has just came out from a technological point of view. Furthermore who in their write mind will pick a Hyundia over a Lexus. Motor Trend is only comparing based on value and agent001 you are late I read this article like 2 weeks or so ago. Point blank all hyundai does is bite other car designs for example when the redesign Sonata came out it look just like an Accord, Honda had to change their back and now the Accord looks like it rear end was choped with an ax. The new Elantra i believe that is their subcompact looks like a blend of a Civic and Carolla, study it if you guys don't believe me.

yea but i hated the rear end of the accord before it was facelifted. looks great though,

I like the Hyundai Azera, but that's about it. Hyundai has come a long way though but I find their SUVs to be completely unappealing.

The Sonata and Azera on the other hand impressed me.

Santa Fe is nice. Looks like a cheaper, less sexy Infiniti FX.

This just shows what kind of BS magazine MT is.

Just because it's a Lexus does not automatically mean that it's the better vehicle. Kudos to MT for having the balls to determine that the Hyundai is the better choice.

It is called "Paying For A Name!" One has to to be living in His own world to think that a King won't ever lose his throne!

Remember when German cars did not have cup holders? Germans did not need to carry stale liquid refreshment distractions everywhere they went. It was all about the driving experience and paying attention to that citroen with goats in the back seat you were going to overtake and miss that oncoming truck closing in on you at over 200kph in the oncoming lane and stuff.

Hyundai owners don't really need NAV systems. They plan their trips and try to have a sense direction in advance and adapt to the driving situation at hand because road conditions do change. They have a sense of adventure and pride themselves on knowing a little about where they are going. I'm sure Hyundai will start offering NAV systems to make their crossovers sexy to people who really need a NAVDADDY ordering them around.

The Hyundai owner can pay for that next vacation with the money they save on the NAV, and the next vacation or two on the savings they had by NOT buying the lexus. And nobody will steal it cause it's not a lexus.

german cars are for the loving of driving, not convienience.

I'm pretty sure the Toyota Camry is the highest vehicle on the list in terms of theft frequency.

People don't care about a badge when they're stealing a car- it's about just having wheels. It's also convenient to choose a less-expensive vehicle, because they normally don't have sophisticated security systems.

Not that I'm a car thief...

(-;

Toyota went through the same thing back in the day when people didn't think the Japanese could build a car better than a Gremlin, let alone a Cadillac. At the time they were correct. However time doesn't stand still and Toyota worked at it, and now they build some of the best vehicles in the world. In 1986 when Hyundai hit the streets of the US they were dogs. I should know, I had a 1987 Excel. Over time they have worked on their game and are showing tremendous improvements. As the owner of a 2002 Corolla I will also say this. Toyota is slipping. If this is the best Toyota can offer to the compact arena, then it's no wonder Hyundai is able to pull off wins like this. And to be honest, the fact that Hyundai is catching up only means better for all of us in the future. The Toyotas and the Hondas out there will now have to give us more for our money. I think they have been robbing us for long enough.

As far as nav systems go the truth is that many factory systems are not as good as the aftermarket ones and what GM recently found is that very few people continue to subscribe to the likes of OnStar after the free period is up. I say give me RX luxury for Corolla money and keep the damn nav system.

One last note. Whoever beleives that Lexus uses real wood in all their cars is sadly mistaken. Everybody uses "fake" wood. My Corolla has it as well. Let's be mature people. Because Motor Trend named a Hyundai as the winner of a road comparison it's a BS magazine? RUBBISH! Motor Trend is the most respected automotive magazine in North America. "Car Of The Year" title and that trophy is highly coveted to this day. Bear that in mind.

Interesting- So when Lexus states on the window sticker "Genuine Walnut Wood Trim" and they show me the process and how Yamaha grand piano division makes it especially for us, they are really perpetuating a giant hoax on the buying public, and their employees?

Oh and also, Hyundais' grand scheme is to not offer nav because they know that aftermarket nav stuck on the winshield is actually superior and preferred by consumers...... please.

the best on-board nav system is from Honda/Acura, but i could be wrong since they were the 1st to introduce it in the Legend.

Lexus uses real wood. There may be one piece of fake wood in my wife's RX, but it's largely real. All first-tier luxury brands (Audi, BMW, Jaguar, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz) use real wood trim.

Why would a Toyota Corolla have wood trim? That would be ridiculous. You say "My Corolla..." as if it's a luxobarge with all the latest technologies.

In terms of wood, Lexus has come a long way. They started out with just pure plastic but current generations have genuine wood (thin folie layer is added to big piece of black plastic and sealed) , although not on all places. The woodtrim on the doors and in the back is still faux-wood. With the exception of the LS. I hope at least.

Sevor- NEVER had plastic. I was here in 1989 when we started- it was a BIG DEAL about the Yamaha wood, and Lexus was very proud.

Wrong. Check out the updated 5 Series- just as nice as a 7er in there. I'm seriously considering the new M5.

Hyundai are a smart company because they know in this day and age that many people don't give a damn about styling and want only a reliable car.

If you think that's smart, why are you always bashing Lexus?

I'm no Lex-lover, but what you said was so hypocritical that I have to defend them. Most of their cars are stylish AND reliable.

lexus goes down again!

I mean this is what I got and heard from this website.

BMW 330i > IS350

BMW 750Li or S550 > LS460

and now

Hyundai Veracruz > RX350

whats next?

my next guess is:

M3 > IS-F

That's the stupidest comparo ever.

You don't compare a non-luxury car with a luxury car. The Veracruz is larger than the RX350 and has 3 rows...I don't see how they match up. It's like comparing a Nissan Sentra SE-R to a Lexus IS250...yea they may be similar in size and power and saying the Sentra wins cuz its cheaper...wth?

The Veracruz competes with the Highlander and Pilot and GM Quadruplet Crossovers. Hyundai wishes their models would be cross-shopped with a Lexus...if someone is doing that, then they don't deserve a Lexus.

i smell lexus from u

This is stupid,you can't compare a luxury brand like Lexus with an econo brand like Hyundai,their comparing aplles and oranges!!

I also think Hyundai is stupid for comparing the LS460 with the Azera!!

Mistype:
This is stupid,you can't compare a luxury brand like Lexus with an econo brand like Hyundai,their comparing "apples" and oranges!!

This is a stupid comparison, and I know I'd choose the RX350 over it any day, but it can make sense for someone who doesn't have the means.

You guys do have to realize that there have been plenty of articles such as this in the past- where a car wins because of value. Lexus was once in Hyundai's position. Well, not far from it.

This because the article say it beat the Lexus RX350, doesn't mean it better in anyway. I wonder if Motor Trend is getting paid for doing this comparison and let Hyundai win.

What next the Hyundai Azera is better and more luxurious than the Lexus LS, BMW 7 Series, A8 and the S-Class? Let get serious here, yeah whatever Hyundai.

LOL, a little ambitious, are we?

Hyundai is on the rise, but you're just spewing Hyundai fanboy talk if you think they're coming with an R-R/Bentley-esque brand.

Wow, I've never met a Hyundai fanboy before.

Motor Trend selected the Camry for "Car of the Year". Enough said!

this isnt a fair competition though. the acadia/outlook and the hilander and pilot are worthy competitors to the veracruz.

The Hyundai has great build quality and reliability, but it all comes at the expense of luxury features, and dare I say it, brand cache. Yes, Lexus was once where Hyundai was, but the difference here is that Hyundai is not a luxury brand. I must say though that their ad campaigns are brilliant, for sake of trying to elevate Hyundai name.

And people, if Hyundai "beats Lexus," then by default they surpass BMW and Mercedes. THAT'S what you should be worried about, not trying to make Lexus look bad.

Maybe in your world of "magic" Lexus isn't better, or at least equally matched with BMW and Mercedes with luxury and refinement, but here in reality, they are. What are you "car enthusiasts" demanding from BMW? Certainly not refinement, or a decent interior, just handling huh? And yet over half, if not all of you have admitted you don't take your cars to racetracks regularly, where BMW's handling makes the most sense. Don't be mad that Hyundai's luxury brand will only further expose the Germans (BMW, specifically) for the subpar products they make, just as Lexus has done.

formula1 your talking out of your ass,you troll!!

BMW is not "way better" but has more attractive interior for a car enthusiast.

Formula 1, I'm not going to say that Lexus is better than BMW or Merc because that could be pushing it but saying that the 3 series interior is "Way better" (nice english by the way) than the Lexus IS interior is definitely a stretch. The interior of the 3 w/out I-drive isn't that attractive at all. The interior of the IS, even without the nav, provides for a very relaxing environment. Thats not to say that the 3 series interior does not have top notch quality when the leatherette is swapped out for real leather but I personally prefer the interior of the IS to the 3. And I dont see why a car enthusiast can't like the IS. Its a nice car and to say that the IS is the antithesis of the BMW b/c the beamer is the one and only choice for auto enthusiast is a very narrrow minded and ignorant viewpoint. Please realize that the BMW may be perfect for you and not others. Possibly you'll avoid sounding so ignorant. Speaking of auto enthusiast, let me let you in on a little observation of mine. Almost daily on the highway I see several BMW (3 series, 5 series, even M5's and 6 series) on the left lane driving about 5 to 10 MPH slower than the posted speed limit. If you need me to explain what my point is in saying that, i will be happy to break it down for you.

Again, I end by saying...Ignorance is Bliss

<sigh> That comment by ps1982k is the most unwaranted thing I've seen on this post thus far. This conversation has taken a very dangerous and degarding turn. I was about to reply to a comment on what I said above but I will take my leave of this topic here and now. ps1982k is a disgrace to this board.

Wait a minute formula 1- you live in the United States? I assumed your poor spelling and grammer and command of the language was because you are in Europe and English was a second language to you. I have even more difficulty respecting your opinion now. And "everybody knows" the worst drivers are Toyota/Lexus drivers is pure BS. What kind of idiot are you? By the way, for those who havn't yet looked at it, the IS250/350 interior is quite upscale and not "plasticky" as formula -1 asserts.

Go somewhere else fast you bigoted pig.

This web site is just a magnet for dumbass people like
ps1982k and formula1,I bet both of guys ride the bus everyday and put both of your pea brains together to come up on how to bash Lexus,example ps1982k:Lexus and other jap brand will rape your mother and sisters.enough said!!!

Agreed.

"Lexus is close on it's way to being right there with the big dogs,"

- Oh please, I've been hearing that since 1989 and they still aren't there yet.

Did you "track" your Lexus?

Did you track your lexus?