Lexus LF-A: It's Got a V10

what's the point of this car? Fix the sc430 before you start making this thing.

I guess the point is that every Jap MFR can make a 500hp 5.0L V10. It's not really some big deal of engineering achievement an Euro MFR brags about.

Kind of wonder where Merc and Audi is after the LF-A and next NSX comes out w/ NA 5.0 V10? Are they going back to turbo?

Well, no because Lexus is charging more than twice as much for they're V10; 3 years after the BMW V10 already achieved the 100hp/liter for a cool 80 grand. A $170,000 supercar with 100+hp/liter isnt an achievement, its expected.

R U saying BMW is a cheap MFR? :)

I don't think LEXUS is gonna be that price range. Think about it, only Mercedes can command that kind of price, not even BMW. Second, at least NSX for sure is gonna be under $80K.

To be more precise, @ 4.8 sec 0-60, M5, or M6, was never intended to be at the level of NSX or GT-R. I personally think BMW will soon be adding product line to compete w/ those new supercars from Japan. AUDI has started w/ its R8, no matter if you like that redundant AWD or not.

What you 'personally think' is irrevelant. The price has already been announced to be well above $100,000, look it up.

And no, at no point did I say that BMW is innexpensive. I implied that BMW has already produced a 100+hp/liter V10 selling it for far cheaper than Lexus plans to sell their V10.

I was responding to this: "Jap MFR can make a 500hp 5.0L V10. It's not really some big deal of engineering achievement an Euro MFR brags about."

If you make a N/A supercar and sell for well over 100k, it better have 100+hp/liter. I don't wonder what the Europeans will do, they will raise the bar on N/A engines once again.

I've looked it up and like the way you put it, I can also say what the source said is irrelevant since it's never confirmed by LEXUS. Think about it, how much luxury LEXUS has to add to justify that kind of price difference from a 60K GT-R of about same or better performance. Even a 911 turbo is "only" $123K.

As I said, German can do it, Jap can also. A NA RX-8 can output 180hp/L, so how much should it be compared to the NA 105hp/L BMW M? It's more of a bussiness decision rather than engineering. There's no marketing pressure for Jap to do it ahead of German as they cannot command that pricing level anyway.

Remember, it has always been the German car pressured by Jap, not the other way around, isn't?

This is not new or news.

wow, a toyota on steriods.

wow, a toyota on steriods.

Class leading as usual. I would take this beauty over the Carrera GT or SLR anyday.

SLR: A low tech engine+ low tech 5 speed auto, for $450K.

The heavy pig, M6?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5IDwbcCWgUk

LF-A
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=121313

actually I like the SLR, but there was a overheating radiator problem someone mentioned though.

You have not driven a GT then. F***ing fantastic.

Utahnkid- Learning the hard way through racing and varies generations of cars is what made Ferrari, M-B, Lambo, BMW, Audi, Porsche, Hell even honda what they are today. Without the experiance a company can't build and improve. I'm sure Lexus/Toyota will as they have with each model generation. Money doesn't make a great car alone. Take Toyota F1 Largest budget 0 wins. Ferrari large budget 50+ year of racing countless wins and world titles.
I hope the LF-A or what ever production name does well and it will sell, it'll just make everyone else work harder. And who wins with that you and I.

The Qaundt family will never sell, GM tride years ago. Why would you fire some of the best engineers in the world?

you'd take an IS350 over a ferrari 599 too i'm sure.

only a maker of pedestrian, economy cars could be the largest. toyota makes great people movers and so took the oh-so-exciting title of 'largest' away from GM.

this car is not in the world of the porsche
come on

Never compare this Lexus to the Carrera GT.
And you freaky Lexus nerds, what in the hell is so low tech about the SLR. Let's hear what you have to say mr david 989, let's hear your engineering point of view.
There's no mistake that the Lexus will be a very good car but lexus trolls should learn not to talk shit.

I never thought of that. Wow. Could get caught on anything

no news here...

There have been consistent arguments that Toyota was not on board for a V10. Preferring to cut corners and use an existing V8.

Ehh I say let them try. Id like to see this car go down as a flop to the Germans just like the sad upcoming IS-F. Already a loser and it hasnt even been released.

I am right though. It is a flop. Sorry to burst the lexus dream bubble. If you dont like it complain to Lexus and tell themto make better cars. Its easier to blame the rest.

just like some cars are losers before they're even driven?

Enthusiast

The specifications arent helping the IS-F right now against the M3 or C63. Then again, miracles are possible. But I'll stick to numbers more than miracles.

Whoever said class leading is an idiot...this car is a waste of time, at least improve the rest of the lineup until you continue to TRY and play ball with the big guys. This as the comment above says, will fail.

I can't speak for the rest of the world since I reside in the US, but improve the brand? You mean the best selling luxury auto maker (in the US) for the past 10 years in a row is not enough? I know, sales are no big deal, at least until the German fans start talking about the 3-series. Then it's all about the sales numbers.

Yep. It smells like 1989 in here.

I do enjoy news postings like this though. It gives all the ignorant pricks a chance to post and let us know that they are still alive and kicking.

"blah, blah, blah, Lexus, blah, sucks, blah..." Get over it people. If BMW/Mercedes/Audi view Lexus as a competitor (which they do) maybe you should too.

equally, how can people proclaim a car dominant before it's ever driven? or before the manufacturer even ENTERS a category?

I don't like the front of this car, but this will be Lexus's benchmark for future sport cars that WILL erase the competition, just like their sedans did.

I'm not dumb enough to say it'll fail before its even released and tested. If the #1 automaker in the world wants to build a supercar, I say let them try. Somebody just tell them to leave all that electronic safety crap they're known for at a minimum and lets see where this goes.

Not only v10, but also Carbon Fiber Composite frame (rumor anyway).

Boeing 787 has jacked up the prices of Carbon Fiber Composites. :(

did i hear plastic?

Who would spend past 70k for this ugly thing? Its very unattractive. Toyota should compete with the other toy-car makers, they dont have a chance with the upper class.

This Lexus LF-A rumor to have 570 hp or more, this is sweet...........

i thought it was 800hp?

Why would anyone try to compete with the likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini or Pagani ? Pedigree is the name of the game in this league - something Lexus definitely lacks. 15 years of s u c c e s s f u l participation in Formula1 or DTM would also help - the agony seen in the past decade doesn't count...

Why not sell this as a TRD (Toyota Racing Development) limited series ? Teaming up with PSP and Wii would definitely help marketing

Old money vs. new money.

New money tends to buy something that worths its price.

and old money tends to buy good taste.

You know nothing about old money and new money supra guy. In this category prestige and heritage play an important role. But i'm sure some old money would buy this Lexus just like some others would not.

Yeah, and they went on to be succesful. Lexus, in temrs of this type of car, will not.

Yeah, and they went on to be successful. Lexus, in temrs of this type of car, will not.

Lame "pedigree," "prestige," "history," and all synonyms arguments are redundant and useless here. This is the perfect type of vehicle for Lexus to make a splash into the sports car arena. Quit acting like other makes didn't have to start out somewhere. Believe it or not there was a time when nobody knew what a Ferrari was...

BTW, the LF-A getting a V10 isn't particularly news, I agree...

When and where? Ferrari made their name racing then build cars to support it, same as today. Everyone knew Enzo from Fiat racing.

Do know anything about cars and/or car history? Lexus is a great vehicle and brand but they do have along way to.

"Do know anything about cars and/or car history? Lexus is a great vehicle and brand but they do have along way to. "

And this is exactly what people don't get. Certain things take time to happen. And this Lexus will not go from nothing to tops that easily.

I think 50 cent and Rihanna have one of this baby in their next music video;) If I was a rapper I sure would love to have this baby in the music video for sure;)

If I was rapper this how the song goes, chilling with my hummie, rolling in with my bling bling aka LF-A and the girly just wanna scream LOL :) .....................

correction, should have one of this baby in their next music video ;) etc...

Who in their right mind would pick a toyota over a Ferrari?

I smell fear. We all know it wasn't a secrete the NSX did not sell well, Acura actually lost money making the cars considering they were hand assembled. The NSX though wasn't about sales, it prove that Acura could hang with the big boys, it made many European and American super cars rethink there philosiphy. Motor Trend named it "the best sports car ever built". Lexus I think will do the same as long as they get the respect in the industry, they will make there money on their other vechicles if this one actually doesn't sell.
Just like people have said before don't try to kill something that has yet to begin. Next year NSX will return and be the final nail in the Europeans coffin.
Do your thing Lexus "Passionate Pursuit for Perfection"

Those who said no one will buy Lexus high performance supercar have no brain. Even a tiny fraction of Lexus' yearly 300+k customers would make the car have a long waiting list.

This will sell just as much as the Honda NSX did. (failure)
Lexus is known for luxury cars, not exciting sports cars.
Lexus lacks history and the performance of Lamborghini and Ferrari.
People shopping in this segment want "brand names" with prestige.
I don't think it will sell well except with hard-core Lexus fanboys.

Stick with making luxury vehicles lexus.

And I meant prestige as in racing heritage.

If that kind of irrational thinking worked, than Audi sales would far surpass those of Lexus. (Hint: it doesn't)

I think Lexus(known for being a luxury car maker) can do just as well entering the performance car arena as Lamborghini(known for making farm equipment) did.

answer,

Audi does outsell Lexus.
10 to 1 worldwide.

Don't forget, Lexus is ZERO outside the US

Well, I live in the U.S., so U.S. sales/opinions are what interests me most.

You could say that the sherpas of Nepal prefer Coke to Pepsi 1,000 to 1, but I'll still be a Pepsi drinker.

And you narrown minded thinking is why no one cares what you say.
Audi outsells Lexus, accept the facts.

Wow. You made an ass of yourself out of nowhere.

I am just making the point that Lexus is tops in the U.S. We all know that Audi outsells Lexus worldwide. As a company with many, many more decades in existance they should.

I just grow tired of ignorant jerks like yourself who think the U.S. opinion on cars doesn't matter.

F that and F you too.

If Audi is so great and so far outpaces Lexus internationally, then what the hell is the holdup on the U.S. market? Oh, that's right. "Stupid Americans".

"If Audi is so great and so far outpaces Lexus internationally, then what the hell is the holdup on the U.S. market? Oh, that's right. "Stupid Americans"."

Indeed it is. And i'm ashamed to be your neighboor.

If Lexus is so great what's the hold up in the rest of the world. And don't give that tired old excuse that they just entered the market. And before you go around calling me biased to german cars know this: i drive a lexus gs

Last I remember Lamborghini start out making tractors,what's special about that!!Lexus may not have as much racing background,but they do have alot money for R&D...

R&D ripoff and devalue

LOL :) ..............

"Lexus has no historical supercar in their stable"

But Lexus' parent company, Toyota, has a history of building sports cars, eg. Supra, Celica and MR2.

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I wouldn't call the Celica and MR2 super cars. Sports cars is already pushing it. The Supra is one of my favorite. That is the closest thing Toyota has come to making a super car. It's the Japanese version of a supercar along with the RX-7, NSX, GT-R.

Lexus Supercar: anyone here remembers the Toyota 2000GT ? It was all about soul and passion. You could say some styling elements were tributes to other makes (Jag/Lotus comes into my mind first), still it was an original by Japanese standards. Considering the price was higher than the 911 Carrera, you could call it a Lexus of the day.

They built them for three years. Backed by no racing heritage at all, the things just died on the market. I truly believe you cannot sell real sport cars without circuit success. Just look at the examples of Bizzarini or Caparo.

Well Rolls Royce parts are from Germany but put together in Europe does that mean the RR is any less of a great car? Hell no!

SLR and LF-A are in two different worlds.

V10,V13,V100 Who cares it's a crap lexus.

That's cool that you can travel through time and have already test-driven the LFA and can make an informed judgement on its crapness, but don't spoil it for the rest of us.

All of us non time-travelling folk have to wait a year or so.

let the bitch fight begin!!! no wait, it already started, whoops.

Lexus can put anything in it they like. The simple fact is, it's still a Toyota. I doubt the Italians, or even the Germans are slightly worried about this...

Enzo
Lp640
599gtb
f430
F1
Veyron
GT
911 turbo
M5
M6
CLK DTM street car
Zonda
Koningsegg
SLR
CL amg
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Any F1 car
so on and so on.

His automotive knowledge is only eclipsed by his beautiful writing style.

why don't they drop the Lexus badge and put on the toyota badge. I'm sure it will sell.

Lexus sports car? what a joke.
the word lexus comes from Lexury I assume, they should keep stick with luxury cars NOT sports car! enough said.

*correction "Luxury"

This is a joke right I knew almost a year ago that this would have a V10

it's joke putting v10 in a Lexus car in the first place.

What about Yamaha they have racing heritage,Toyota owns part of Yamaha's motor division,and it's well known that Yamaha helps in development of performance engines for Toyota(4AGE,2JZGTE,3SGTE and 2ZZGE)..

I love you formula1. i gave u a boost u deserve

Dear 06GS300,

did you have to make me laugh out loud in the middle of the night? now people are giving me weird looks. its all your fault.

speaking of mental health, u need a doctor.

Why do people get upset about another potentially great supercar entering the market? We all know that the success of this vehicle will push others to be better, like other car manufacturers have pushed Lexus to be better.

They are scared of the fearful,powerful awesome sound of this beast.

buck

Lambo LP640.

Well I think so, but this isnt getting us anywhere.

What? I think its the exact oposite. Lexus looks like a mixture of many super cars while the lambo look original.

Lexus has no interest to build the second best supercar.

The LF-A has been tested for years intensely for several versions including a hard top convertible.

What a waste of sheet metal, the design is terrible to look at. Just looking at the insturment cluster bedazzles me.

Buck- Lexus cluster are nice to look at but the Germans are better to read in all conditions. I drive these cars everyday all day I'm paid to do it.

The Z8 was not billed as a supercar from BMW. Only the M1 was considerd a Supercar.
The Mclaren F1 the greatest supercar is powered by a BMW V12.

whooo hoo!!!! 144th comment!!!

I am so tired of hearing about Lexus. Its always lexus lexus lexus can do this, toyota toyota toyota can do that, or its better than that. If it wasnt for Mercedes, Lexus would not have a backbone to stand on, Lexus has always depended on Mercedes to drop out a new design theme, and Lexus has always picked up the leftovers from Mercedes and claim it as there own. And now finally they are trying to create there own design theme the L-finess, PLEASE! Toyota-Lex just do what you are best at, COPYING.

Actually VW did all of this back in the late 80's or early 90's on a Golf, except the hybrid. The Germans are looking at a long term fix Hydrogen, diesle and the Hybrids are not quite a great at fuel consuption as most believe.

Example 08 RX350 140 miles trip at avg. speed of 38mph uses qtr tank of 93oct. 08 RX400h same trip half a tank. cars tested 14 back to back. Same olds true for GS450/430.

LS600hl just hitting the streets don't know yet.

each veicle was driven at the same time, same drivers, petrol, oil, tires, time of day over a 2 week period. Traffic and stop lights were out of our control.

15 years hybrids will be better but still burning petrol.

EPA ratings are shit no matter what brand of car. My drivers average 224000K miles a month (20 drivers 2800miles wk each) in every thing from Lexus to Porsche and we never see anything close to EPA.

Nobody drives like the EPA thats why there numbers are shit. Look don't get your panties in such a not, I'm not bashing Lexus I think there great vehicles and do luxury better than any main stream brand. If 14 different vehicles is empratical than so be it. How many different cars do you drive a day, week, month? This is what I do for a living. All my numbers and knowledge is real world everyday experiance. I'm glad lexus is producing a supercar they should, will it be as good as a GT, Ferrari, Lambo no. More reliable easier to use everyday of course. Thats not the point of a supercar. Go drive a F430, LP640 hell a 911cs there raw a little untamed exciting. If you don't understand after that know one can help you.

How do EPA fuel economy numbers come to a post of a V10 Lexus sport car ?

Mr. Wiedeking, Porsche CEO said when taking over VW last year: "no more toys, please". He was referring to the pricey Phaeton, Bugatti and Lamborghini excursions of VW. I am sure sooner or later there will be a Jap exec as well to say the same about the GS450h, Tundra and LF-A penis enlargers that were doomed never to make any money.

I gotta agree with BUCKFUSH on a lot of fronts.........People sh it themselves when a company they don't dig comes out with something innovative, and the haters come in time to whine about it. Lexus is one of the only few companies that are truly doing some really progressive changes, and lets face it, the "Top" doesn't stay that way forever. Lexus is coming up. And yeah, I love ferrari's and any other exotic, but this lexus looks and sounds pretty damn amazing. BMW? Great.......look at the new m3 reviews, OUCH! Mercedes, where's your supercar, and not the one Chysler built before you(ME 412). Porsche? Whats new? The only thing that makes me say "DAyAm" is what the tuners are doing to porsche's. So give it a break.........if you like cars, you should like this one. All you label whores are tired.

A super duty Ford has a V10 too...ooohhhhhhh

Lexus ALWAYS understates their 0 - 60 times by at least .5 seconds. Here are the results of the 5 Top Luxury Cars in this test which was reported in the January Issue of Car and Driver. Please note these tests were all done on the same day at about the same time and at the same altitude. The results reflect the average of 3 runs and all cars are the 2007 vintage.

Mercedes S550 5.6, 0 - 60 quarter mile in 14.1 (Benz show 5.4 in their specs)
BMW 750iL 5.7, 0 - 60 quarter mile in 14.2
Jag XJ Super 6.0 0 - 60 quarter mile 14.5
Lexus LS460L 6.2 0 - 60 quarter mile 14.6
Audi A8 6.8 0 - 60 quarter mile 15.2

Note that Lexus, as usual, is more than the 5.4 the manufacturer CLAIMS to get by .8 seconds.

Also note the LS430 (prior model the LS460 replaced) was rated at 295 HP and was actually 278 when Lexus corrected their rating. And there were no refunds or apologies from the so-called "quality" car company. ABC - Always Be Careful what you buy from the (REPREHENSIBLE) Toyota/Lexus people.....