Has AutoSpies.com finally proved Infiniti has beaten BMW? This video may convince you.

It hasn't convinced me.

Don't get me wrong, the G37 is a BRILLIANT car. I'm really starting to love it. But the back end looks ugly and it wants to be a BMW. No thanks. I'll rather buy the original.

After watching some of the interior pictures I can only conclude that ergonomically it looks pretty good but the overall design and materials look uninspired and cheap. Especially the wood trim.. horrid.

As several journalists have written, the backseat, as with the G35, is also unacceptably cramped. If anyone has ever sat in the back of a 3-series coupe and then a G35 coupe, they would see how much different spatially they are. This may seem like a minor problem but along with the small trunk, this car has inconvenience written all over it.

and the ugly cheap ass gray wood in the 335 is nice?

stick with your ugly buick tail lights and crappy idrive

Cmon bagwell, you havent even driven the 335 to know the difference.

Please don't proffer a biased opinion without having first done your homework.

I agree with SevorbeupstryIsBack completely. Bagwell, you should make a note of his comments--this is how you offer an opinion.

sorry to say, but a friend has a 335 and I HAVE DRIVEN IT for about 2 hours....

hah - he said he COULDN'T get NAV becuz of the idrive BS....hahaha!!!

The video hasn't convinced me of much either. I can't really tell about the quality of the interior, but stylistically it hasn't changed that much. Still don't care for it. The real proof will be in the pudding (how it drives [handling, steering, suspension, etc.]). One of the big drawbacks will be the weight (I believe it will be over 200 pounds heavier than the 335i). You can't fix that and it just degrades everything the whole driving experience.

bagwell

As a former owner of an M5 and a current owner of an X5, I say your friend should learn how to use a computer.... and stop with the BS

sorry BMW fanboys -- he's an f'in commercial pilot -- with desire to post here.

with NO desire to post here...

I just went out and looked at his car in the parking lot...sorry, not impressed!

duh - pretty obvious -- you always like to know what your main competitor is up to.

sorry don't like the Buick tails on the beemer

#adamsaf723

Better designed, the G37 look ten times better than the outdated 335i.

Yeah people used to say the same thing about the celica.

Still looks and sounds like a plastic Italian car, but at least it's reliable.

yawn.

The coupe is one of the sexiest cars on the market. The chrome lip on the trunk of the sedan is kind of annoying though.

Yeah yeah we all know the G37 looks better on paper, but so far the reviews have said the Bimmer manages to be more fun to drive than the Infiniti.

what print are you referring to exactly munich rob? everything ive read says 335 wins in every catagory except one. Even when they say G37 wins. I dont get it.

what print are you referring to exactly munich rob? everything ive read says 335 wins in every catagory except one. Even when they say G37 wins. I dont get it.

what print are you referring to exactly munich rob? everything ive read says 335 wins in every catagory except one. Even when they say G37 wins. I dont get it.

Please define "beaten". Are you measuring sales? Profit? Customer satisfaction? Track performance? Some formula of objectively measurable attributes? Until we know what you're comparing, then your assessment is simply a subjective opinion -- as is everyone's here -- and therefore not worthy of intense debate.

In the automotive fashion game, a car cannot "beat" another one. One may be more popular than another, but two fine vehicles sitting side-by-side on the price/capability curve don't strike me as being winners and losers. Both are winners, both have positive and negative attributes according to my taste. Your priorities may differ.

I'll take the Audi S5, thanks.

This G37 is a really beautiful car. People have their choices and i see that many bloggers like the german brands more, but, for me i want to have something different and rather discreet. BMW is great, but i think that there are just too many of them. And also the styling of the G37 seems very pure, simple, yet unbelievably beautiful to look at. You can just take a look at it you may think that you are looking at a sculptured piece of art, not something as mundane as a machine used for transport. And also the initial tests suggest that the G37 seems to have caught up with the BMW 3 coupe. Definitely hands down I'll pick the G37 because of its great performance, but mostly because of that gracious, swoopy, and that ultra sexy look. This truly looks eye catching.

Since nearly the beginning of time (seems like) BMW has been challenged by nearly every luxury automaker to produce a car with better handling characteristics. The fact that Infiniti has been noted on several occasion as being able to at least hold a candle next to perhaps the best-handling BMW in the line-up is at least commendable.

The only thing Autospies has proved is that they must be running short of stories to cover.

whichever one is better, you have to give credit to Infiniti. The BMW 3 series is in it's ??? generation already while Infiniti's G(not counting Nissan's pre-Ghosn days) is only in it's 2nd generation. Even if one says that the Infiniti is this close to BMW in only it's second generation, that's quite an accomplishment. But according to the YouTube video with Agent 001, the new G37 bests the BMW 335i in some areas. I haven't sat in the new G37 yet, but I will say the BMW still probably has a higher quality and more refined interior at this time. But for about $8,000 more in price, what can one expect? My Infiniti dealership is having a small party for the G37 intro in August, so I will have a chance to sit inside it and make a final judgment then.
My guess is the G37 and 335i comparison will be similar to the M45/550i comparison. The Infiniti will better the BMW is some areas, while the BMW will beat it in other areas.

i think it depends on what you consider better, while many people all they care about is track numbers and 0-60 times they will never see, and could care less about luxury, high quality, attention to detail, power, handling and performance things make a sports luxury car, but care more about performance than im sure someone can prove the g37 is the better "sports car", with the bmw's blend of luxury ride, and performance, but the bmw is the better BMW, high performance, forward techonology, phenomenal handling, and luxurious. the g37 is good at its price point an outstanding value but if the 335i and the g37 were the same price would the g37 look as good on paper.....no... because its shortcomings are excused because of its price.and like edmunds said the 335i feels like it costs 15 grand more.

I wouldn't hesitate keeping the Infiniti for 100K+ miles....for the 335i its just not realistic due to the maintenance issues; and the UNKNOWN maintenance issues of the twin turbo.

did I mention idrive sucks as well?

btw - I like BMWs, hard to tell...but yes I do!

please lol stop throwing a tantrem these are cars, sounds like your having personal issues with BMW lmao. and for one there would be no g35 if the 3 series never were, because the g20, and i35 couldnt cut it so the naturally make something that competes with the best in class, best selling vehicle and the g35 was born.

please lol stop throwing a tantrem these are cars, sounds like your having personal issues with BMW lmao. and for one there would be no g35 if the 3 series never were, because the g20, and i35 couldnt cut it so the naturally make something that competes with the best in class, best selling vehicle and the g35 was born.

When a legitimate magazine finds fault with a BMW, we simply cite the tens of others that love them. Face it, no other manufacture in its class receives as much praise as BMW; and thats not bias, thats engineering.

you're talking about lexus not bmw right?

Steve has not convinced me...the 335i is quick enough to blow the G37 off the road, yet that performance comes without sacrificing comfort. The 335i never feels crude, harsh or unrefined. No other car plays both sides of that fence (performance and refinement) so perfectly. From where I sit the BMW 335i is still the ultimate small sport sedan.

+1

RICEMASTER...

Dude you seriously need a spell checker.

bulldogz...

try again bro. The MT 335i 0-60 4.8 seconds. The MT G37 0-60 5.3 seconds that's a 0.5 difference. I would say that's more than 0.01 seconds. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!

bulldogz...

I stand corrected the MT G37 0-60 is 5.5 seconds not 5.3 seconds. The MT 335i 0-60 is 4.8 seconds. Now that's a 0.7 second difference almost a 1 second diff. So yes, the 335i is quick enough to blow the G37 off the road!!!

@bmwdrvr

Do you know what the G37 is, its the 12th generation JDM skyline coupe. The skyline has been around since 1957, and the 3-serie since 1976. So if there was no skyline there would be no 3-serie.

STJ88...

Did you know in 1933 BMW was offering steadily more advanced I6 sports and saloons (sedans). The I6 was used in the 327 coupé and convertible, the 328 roadster, fast 2.0 L cars, both very advanced for their time, as well as the upscale 335 luxury sedan. So @bmwdrvr is correct if there was no 3-series there would be no skyline!!

G37 is a better VALUE. The BMW is a better overall ride quality and refinement. I drove both and the BMW just feels better. The new G37 is definitely a better car then its predecessor! Fewer rattles and much better interior. It is amazing how Infiniti and Lexus are improving their brands in such a short time. Do not kid yourselves if you do not think they are not taking MBs and BMWs into their engineering bldgs.

you are right on the money....thats why mercedes balked at having a plant in china

I have no doubts the G37 beats the BMW 335 coupe. I have no doubts the IS350 beats the BMW 335 sedan, period.
What's interesting is that Nissan and Toyota always had the same engine size in their competing cars, until Nissan came out with the 3.5, but Toyota took it 3 years to have its own and more powerful 3.5, then of course Nissan increased the power in their 3.5 engines.

Now, Nissan is moving up to 3.7, that means Toyota will do too, but until it does Nissan will be a head of it for few years having more power.

Now its time for the German also to catch up to Nissan, otherwise they'll be left behind, as they are now.

that must be why the 3-series outsells the G and the IS in the US combined. period.

I am sure I will get de-boosted for this. I must admit that hearing people say the Infiniti interior is cheap relative to the BMW makes me wonder what people are on. I admit that for me anything without a leather dash gets labeled into the “cheap” category immediately. So from my point of view such a distinction is minutia- they are both shades of cheap. I do understand that this is a $30,000 and not a $300,000 car but even I were under that delusion, it wouldn’t change my following point.

I prefer the Infiniti interior and here is why: the BMW dash leaves absolutely no ambiguity about what it is made of. The fact that the dash is a big hunk of plastic [read “cheap”] is overt by virtue of its design- leather does not crease at angles like that. The Infiniti interior has the advantage of being more subdued about the fact that the dash is plastic.
I did notice they didn’t do such an exceptional job of matching the grain from the dash to the door- or so it appears. This isn’t and English car though where there are large wood sections that simply look horrendous if they are not matched- perhaps that is why they went with a fairly regular tightly grained wood.

We'll get de-boosted together then, for I agree with you completely.

The 3-Series interior is no better than anything else in its class (save judgment for the new C-Class, apparently). All three Japanese cars in the compact sports sedan segment do a better job of offering at least a more upscale-looking interior. The IS, A4 and G interiors all would be my picks for a good interior in this segment before the 3-Series.

It's a good thing the 3-Series at least has its athletic performance to fall back on. It more than makes up for the interior, especially the many 3-Series owners who opted for the "leatherette."

Ah "leatherette"...Since when is it okay to invent a word to cover up what something acutally is? I don't see glass goblet makers calling them "crystalette". I am sure "leatherette" is used by more than just BMW and it is not unique to use the word to cover up the fact that leatherette is actually vinyl.

will and coke:

i think you're missing the point. the 3-series handles so well and is so much fun to drive relative to competitors that it outsells them DESPITE a mediocre interior in the current model.

personally, i'd take a base 328i with leatherette, manual seats, and basic stereo over any IS. my priorities are as mentioned above.

I don't think the 3-series is a good comparison for this car. They should be comparing it to other Japanese cars in this segment like the IS350.

The BMW is faster, handles better, has more leg room, and IMO looks better. Why did you pick the infinite again?

Im not saying its a bad car, its also brilliant. Both are. But the 335i is better.

m53r, have you been to x5world.com? There we actually have intelligent car conversations without this bs. Considering you have an X5, i'd say you'd love it there.

The Infiniti is a great car. But the brand has a long way to go before it is thought of as a premium. How many celeberties drive infinity? Zero. No one would ever aspire to own one.

Yeah ricemaster, camry and lexus has such good roll contol. That's why I will see so many on the racetrack when I am driving my BMW. What a retarded comment! Look at the membership numbers for autoclubs in the US and you'll see which cars are sports worthy and which are not.

BTW, I just looked at the most recent autocross results for golden gate SCCA (one of the biggest chapters in the US), and there were exactly ZERO inifitys racing (or lexus). Pretty much every other brand showed up! Get a clue!

RICEMASTER- I differ with you on the mods performed.

While most SCCA track cars ate modded to the extent of the rules. You forget that a far larger group are are in spec racing where performance mods are strictly not allowed. You also forget grass root autocrossing where the bulk again are stock.

ricemaster:

stock BMWs are great on the track. haven't you ever done any of the M school or other driving schools offered by BMW? they offer skidpad, autocross, high-speed lane change, high-speed track, etc.

oh right, you only drive japanese. funny that the japanese manufacturers don't even have these programs if they belong on the track... talking out of your ass as usual.

RICEMASTER...

Porsches are only premium because they are expensive? Obviously you have never driven one, let alone probably sat in one.

btw, when is your 18th b-day? you seem so immature.

Ha ha, RICEMASTER spewing his usual no nothing drivel. Anything you know about cars probably comes from staying up past your bed time to watch The Fast and The Furious.

I guess there just arent a lot of poseurs who like track days.

I-N-F-I-N-I-T-I. IS IT THAT HARD TO SPELL?

3 years ago I raced my stock 528i sport at Pocono and it did great. A year later I raced my wife's stock 330i convertible at Pocono and it did even better. This year I took my brand new Z06 to Watkins Glen and was in heaven. I saw a modified Sentra and WrxSTi doing good laps out there but no other rice burners to speak of. Alot of Porsches, Vettes and Elise's (mostly stock) Loads of fun.

Agent 001 if you are going to see Steve from Infiniti again. Casually ask him why Infiniti didn't design the G37 with a better weight distribution (54/46 is ridiculous for luxury/sport car), and why not add more torque (30 ft-lbs less than 335i) as well as HP. And why is the G37 so heavy (200 pounds heavier) when compared to the 335i. If he's spent 100's of hours in the Bimmer then he should know that if Infiniti is serious about beating BMW at their own game you can't over look these important factors. I'm just wondering if Infiniti opted for more toys than performance to mask these design flaws.

I'm thinking maybe infiniti cares more about selling cars than just being able to say they beat bmw. As we all know, most people don't drive the cars to the limits, so I would rather have a car with more features that will perform almost as good as a bmw for a few thousand less, which I could take to an aftermarket shop and get the rest of the performance. Now doesn't that sound like a smart choice? Anyway, I'm waiting for the next generation Acura TL Type S or TSX Type S.

So your saying you would rather spend $5,000 on a turbo kit for the G37. Have fun. I'd simply add an ECU upgrade to the 335i and produce 400 hp and 400 ft-lbs of torque. No mods in the world could save the G37.

hey supermoto, how many celeberties driving BMW 3 series, none, but do they drive BMW yes... X5 or 7. there are some celeberties do drive Infinti QX56. celeberties need bigger expensive cars, not a G37...
but soon they will buy Skyline GTR
America is waiting for this car for at lest 15 years

Yeah, because if a celebrity drives it it must be good...

Look you have to accept the fact that the 3 series has always been the car to beat in it's class. I'm not certain the G37 actually beats the BMW but it's now close enough that when you factor in price it wins hands down. The Bimmer is simply not worth 5 grand more then the Infiniti in driving enjoyment.You have to give Infiniti credit for a great effort here. And while the G37 does not really break any new styling themes over the G35 it still looks better then the BMW as a coupe.Perhaps with the 3rd generation Infiniti Coupe Nissan will make gains in weight and weight distribution.

Mini22...

Thank you for your opinion. But I would pay a 10K premium for the 335i over G37. The 335i is that good.

Same here!!

Definitely a very beautiful sport coupe and has a really good engine sound too.

Good Job Infinitie and now go make a M3 Killer

correction, it Infiniti

Infiniti won for price ... Bmw is larger, more spacious trunk, faster, stops better, handles better, more solid, better resale value ... How exactly did the Infiniti win? price ... The 335 is an awesome car. Ask steve : 1. why didnt infiniti bring an engine to the table that offers the performance of the BMW or at least close? .7 of a second is a pretty big gap ... 2. why doesnt the G37 offer more passenger space or cargo space? What is the point of making the car larger without having any space for any passengers or cargo. 8 cu ft of trunk space is ridiculous. not being able to fit anyone in the rear seat, even though it is longer than the BMW ... In real world driving the G37 is not that practical. Then on top of that the BMW is more solid, maint is included, bmw assist ( onstar version ) included for 4 years & better resale value ...

That wood trim look so fake and terrible.


How exactly did the Infiniti win?

Price only i guess.

Dramatic redesign? somebody is blind.

I was surprised the engineer thought the car beats the 335. I would have thought an Infiniti engineer would have said its not as good. Geeeee.....

LEXUS.

As Borat would say:

I LIKE IT !

Still I prefer BMW. Sorry.

What's up with the VW color inspired dash lights and the Honda Civic looking gauges?

Yeah the dash looks a little cheesy. Almost trying too hard to be "cool". I was looking forward to this car but am a little disappointed by the interior/exterior styling. To me it looks too round and less agressive than the previous gen. Interior looks better but neither says sports nor luxury. I think A5/S5 will be a much better competitor to the 3 series.

g37 sell like hotcakes