Does "F" Stand For "Fantastic"? First Look 2008 Lexus IS-F

Edmunds advertising for toyota again..

Define "stupid"?

Anything that houstoncutie or david989 say!

they aren't kicking houtoncutie or david off, since they get all of you all worked up and emotional, it drives site traffic, so even though we ALL know houton and david are Lexus executives spreading propaganda, i know it's hard, but how about you just IGNORE them.

the car for people that don't know cars
the Lexus F

Think that slogan will take off?

It must stand for "Fast and Furious." Or how about Fugly? I'm sorry, but this thing looks like garbage. Even if it is somewhat competitive, performance-wise, I'd rather buy an inferior car than associate myself with the idiot posers who drive Lexus yawn-mobiles - like the moron with the IS300 who insisted on racing me on I-94 and I-57 today, and got smoked twice while I had 3 people in my car! Grow up Laxus owners.

I agree sweetheart. The IS-F is very bold and macho looking. It has manliness written all over it. The kind of guys driving this car are confident men in their late 10s and early 20s who know what makes a true performance sedan.

Without question the IS-F is the most reliable, best interior (including seats), best brakes, quickest, fastest, most comfortable, best handling and my gosh it looks so hot!

Everytime I see this car I get aroused. It is just so beautiful. Lexus should only sell it in blue. Give me an IS-F and I'll show you guys how to kill an M3 or even a Veyron.

What does the '2000' in your name stand for houstoncutie, was it the year you were born?

Agents from AUTOSPIES,

Why not create something that doesn't allow stupid comments being made by the same person more than once?

Define "stupid"?

"The kind of guys driving this car are confident men in their late 10s and early 20s who know what makes a true performance sedan."

David- I read that and couldn't help wondering if you were mocking yourself. Very few cars are marketed to people in their teens and early twenties. Cars that are intended for that age group, are generally cheap and not taken seriously by older people. Additionally, 18-24 year olds aren't very good drivers becuase they are young and lack the driving knowledge and experience necessary to identify a "true performance" car. What does all of this say about the Lexus?

Define "stupid"?

Anything that houstoncutie or david989 say!

AGENT009:

Give me the option to HIDE for ever the users I do not like, with their comments ALSO.

Please!

I will give you $5. Not kidding though ...

Yes, pretty much what M53R said.

And if you still can't tell who's leaving stupid comments, just look up anyone with over -10boost and that's the answer.

How about annoying comments? Get rid of those people too!!

dumbass...m3 looks just as good if not a lot sexier and more aggressive

David, the cuty's a guy.

Here we go, another flame war...

Lets wait til the reviews come out shall we. Anything else is sheer speculation.

Kinger what is there to speculate? We all know that 400 Lexus horsepower equal about 600 German horsepower so technically speaking the German cars are massively underpowered. Let's not forget that the IS-F is the most reliable and durable machine here capable of being driven to the limit on the track without breaking down like BMWs do.

All truthful comments, you've won me over yet again with your supreme automotive knowledge oh nobel one.

Why aren't you driving a Lexus yet then? They're cheaper and better optioned out than some low quality German car for which you need to pay extra.

Very true, my 3-series nearly has 100,000 miles on it, it will probably explode fairly soon, when it does I might just consider this Lexus you speak of, intriguing...

Kinger do you want to live? Do you want to see your children grow up and have children? In a Lexus this is possible. Drive something German, American or Korean and you're bound to die young. Lexus innovates and leads the safety field. Remember that.

I will, I certainly will. Thanks bro, enjoy the weekend.

Kinger I wish I could say the same to you but I am worried about your safety. If you drove a Lexus I could wish you a happy weekend but a BMW is a dangerous machine. Life threatening. Dump it as soon as possible and get a real car.

Don't worry david, after your words of wisdom I have decided to walk home from work. I appreciate your concern.

I think Houstoncutie's keyboard is broken. The caps key is stuck. That's what I heard anyway.

Honestly though, I think Lexus has hired an American designer to come up with their new designs. They probably asked, "How can we make this car look over-the-top while trying copy the Germans edgy, provocative styling? And, how can we do this while still preserving our bland, ricey styling cues that our buyers have come to expect and love?"

...and Wah-lah. This is the best they could come up with. The previous generation had more character than this thing. You can compare it to a TSX or G37, but NOT an M3. The M3 is in a whole other league that Lexus will never, ever see.

Above all, it's STILL a Lexus! No matter how hard they try they will never compete with BMW, MB, or Audi on styling or performance. Why settle for a Lexus if you want a performance car?

Lexus NEEDS to worry about DIRECT competitors (Acura and Infinity) in their BACKYARD. They should be the most fearful of HYUNDAI though! That's right, HYUNDAI! They're coming for you!

Thats funny, my 99 323i never had a problem. My 87 325es with over 300,00 abusive miles has yet to show any signs of quitting. I have beat the hell out of that car and not once have I had it in the shop. the engine still runs so smooth that you can rev it to 2,000rpm and not even feel the engine. plus it is great on gas. My 85 745i turbo running 16psi of boost will own any of your cars, and if you want we can line up anyday. 399 rear wheel hp (not at the flywheel) and 496lb/ft torque everything is stock except for a re-programed chip, modified wastegate, cartech FMU rising rate fuel pressure regulator. Take that from a 22 year old car, you wouldn't believe the looks I get burning camaro's mustangs and GTO's (stock to lightly modified) on the highway. anyways I am getting off of the point. BMW's are quited good cars if maintained properly, they aren't like American cars, although they have improved considerably, and BMW's inline 6 engines are bullet proof. I have seen too many with over 300,000 miles on the origional engine and no smoking or burning oil, nothing, and these are much older cars from the 80's.

Thats funny, my 99 323i never had a problem. My 87 325es with over 300,00 abusive miles has yet to show any signs of quitting. I have beat the hell out of that car and not once have I had it in the shop. the engine still runs so smooth that you can rev it to 2,000rpm and not even feel the engine. plus it is great on gas. My 85 745i turbo running 16psi of boost will own any of your cars, and if you want we can line up anyday. 399 rear wheel hp (not at the flywheel) and 496lb/ft torque everything is stock except for a re-programed chip, modified wastegate, cartech FMU rising rate fuel pressure regulator. Take that from a 22 year old car, you wouldn't believe the looks I get burning camaro's mustangs and GTO's (stock to lightly modified) on the highway. anyways I am getting off of the point. BMW's are quited good cars if maintained properly, they aren't like American cars, although they have improved considerably, and BMW's inline 6 engines are bullet proof. I have seen too many with over 300,000 miles on the origional engine and no smoking or burning oil, nothing, and these are much older cars from the 80's.

That was directed to David 989. You can't judge all German cars just lie you can't judge all japanese cars. Mitsubishi has some crappy interior (second generation eclipse for example) and reliability issues, but Honda and Toyota are very dependable, so you can't just bash something just because it isn't japanese you narrow minded idiot. You and houston are ignorant, too young to have the slightest hint at what seperates a enthusiast car from a household apliance/common car. Yes the ISF will be a great car, but not quite up to the //M3. I think it will be close though

audi r8> lexuzzzzz lf-a pos...i actually truly hate audi too...

why do you hate audi?

Thank goodness Lexus hired Brembo to stop the car and BBS for handling!

Amen bro!

Lexus rocks so much! No company has done more for the automotive business than Lexus. Performance, safety, reliability... all innovations which Lexus dominates in.

I think David 989 and Houstoncutie are actually the same person, my guess is he/she/them is/are a/an hermaphodite with bipolar disorder and mulitple personalities LMAO I just had to say it. I bet I get boosted for this

Hey, HoustonCutie. Sports cars are considered to be smaller 2-door coupes/convertibles. BTW - your name suits you - I've yet to meet anyone from Houston who had a brain, so your posts make a lot of sense.

It's interesting how the Lexus lovers just go gah-gah for this car but not really anything else...

It is interesting how German fanboys can't appreciate a quality car and the new class leader when they see it. How about admitting defeat and praising the new Lexus IS-F instead of talking trash about it? I might respect you then.

It is a little too soon to call it a class leader in any regard.

But Agent 9 Lexus has continually been the class leader in almost every class.

The LS is the king in its class, so is the IS, LX570, SC430 the GS. The ES has no rivals because the Germans are afraid to touch it. The RX needs an update but it was the best SUV in its class when it was new. Actually I still consider the RX to be the best SUV in its class. Who wants an X5 or ML when you can have a reliable, powerful and quality interior Lexus RX?

David, I can care less if you respect me. I believe I never done anything dishonorable to lose some integrity.

I also never said anything bad about the car. I simply stated an observation how some people go 'gah-gah' for this but not else, which to me is plain odd.

Try to form a solid good arguement for a change rather than spilling out random feelings.

Richie, just remember that Lexus is a true innovator and leader. Other car companies look up to Lexus for inspiration and they benchmark Lexus interiors and build quality.

Rolls Royce recently admitted that they benchmark Toyota Corolla interiors because they're so good. Imagine what would happened if Rolls Royce benchmarked the Lexus LS interior for example. They'd get some respect back!

david989- The only thing unequivocally Lexus actually leads in is sales.

I have yet to see any comparison test that defines it as any class leader.

A serious contender yes, but leader no.

Agent magazines are biased and have generally displayed a hatred against Lexus.

Tell me how a company that produces quality cars, the best interiors, the most comfortable cars and the quietest and most powerful engines doesn't win comparisons. I'll tell you: bias.

Didn't Car and driver once test the IS350 against the BMW 3 series and the 3 series was unreliable and yet still won? Bias. Pure bias.

david989:

too funny. the scary thing is you don't sound much different from the real toylex fanatics.

Enthusiast I am a car enthusiast with a passion for Lexus. Lexus excites me. I like their refinement and class leading designs and their performance and best of all that they're so reliable and come fully optioned for less money.

Try finding these qualities in a German or American car.

Lexus is the best.

david989- I have to give you credit. You have enthusiasm in abundance!

WHO KNOWS? Lexus has done such a crappy job of providing solid numbers or letting the press review it. What's to hide!

Maybe Fantastically Forgettable ??? lol

You tell them cutie!

Honestly... I think Lexuses are great cars. But I wish they made the IS-F more classic looking sports car like the M3 or S4. It seem they tried too hard on the looks and turn out have have lots of ricyness.
I'm sure the preformance will be pretty good but the look does NOT do it for me.

Lexus are the best.

Actually sweetie there are many cars with quad exhausts except that none of them look as sexy and macho as the IS-F quads.

Boy I want this car. I want to kill some Germans with this thing.

Well they could be establishing a new styling benchmark. No one says a performance car has to be beautiful, just look at the WRX.

The WRX is beautiful. Looks much better than a VW R32.

THIS CAR IS SO SEXY. ITS GUNNA BEAT THE AUDI S4 AND RS4 AND MERCEDES C63 AMG. NOT SURE ABOUT THE M3 THOUGH BECUASE THAT CAR IS ALMOST AS NICE AS THE IS-F.CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT IN PERSON AND BUY ONE.

The M3 is not a very nice car. It looks tacky and overstyled. The IS-F has the perfect balance between classiness and elegance. It looks superb.

The Volkswagen RS4 is a joke and the C63 AMG is better left as a taxi. No C class has ever been luxurious.

volkswagen rs4??? Are you shittin me? this quote of Einstein i think seriously implies to you:"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

We all know who used the letter F first.

It was VW.

Fahrvergnügen

Quad tailpipes stacked at an angle.

Not even Ferrari or Lamborghini ever thought of doing such a thing.

Thank goodness!!!

Because they lack the creative and innovative spirit. Lexus has it.

Lacking the creative and innovative spirit? Yeah.... if you say so...

What? I am implying that I disagree with lacking whatever statement... come on now.

It was an incredible idea that nobody else has thought of, EVER. I mean, putting those exhausts on top of each other instead of next to each other! WOW! It's just the #1 aspect of the car!

'first look?' that happened more than a year ago.

no news here. the article even states that 'Though Lexus is still coy with us about the specifications of the IS-F's V8 as the date of the car's introduction approaches...'

Lexuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!

It's spelled LEXUS.

I do not like this car. I think the M3 looks much better and i especially hate the rear exhaust, it just doesn't look right.The standard Is in my opinion looks feminine and this one looks like a female body builder,,,UGLY!!!!

the f stands for f***ked up because thats what happened to this car.

My bet is that ¨F¨stands for Failure

Maibe F stands for Flop

Not impressed with the styling on this car...looks like something a teenager would have to do his drifting in. It is just missing the wing on the back trunk.

It, IMO, does not look sophisticated enough to appeal to a demographic that can afford or usually buys autos like the M3,RS4,C63 AMG.

I think this will appeal to the WRX market. Next time Lexus.

those aero add-ons and tailpipes will look old in about 6 months. remember toyota sc430.

Till someone drives it F is for Fiction!

This car just looks stupid. from the tacky (ricey) body panels to the idiotic stacked tailpipes.

Anyone else here think the IS-F looks too boxy?

hmmm.

I think the only thing that look tastefull in this car is the wheels design....(thanks to BBS) Q: Isn´t BBS german?

First time poster, long time lurker. This site is hilarious btw.

I like the IS-F from a styling point it looks good IMO. Performance wise we'll see.

In the gauges pictures though there is a already a "Check System" light on, if I was their marketing director I would fire whoever approved that picture.

Welcome the AutoSpies smack down series.

Welcome, now take a side, Lexus or the Germans which will it be?

LOL!

Im new to posting to this site as well, and as for the the flame war and picking sides I'll take the German's side because some of you Lexus fans have some of the most outrageous comments (I'm an American car fan btw). So I'll say the "F" stands for Frigginannoyingfans

Yet it seems you fly Lexus colors...

houston you're an audi fan who hates german cars?
you make so much sense...

You are just the biggest liar, you're this huge Lexus-moron who just regurgitates random facts that "prove" Lexus is the best in the world at everything, you fill the boards with Lexus posts, you love Lexus, support david989, say all German cars are crap and blow up randomly and not a single German car has ever completed a journey...yet claim you are an Audi fan...what's the word I'm looking for...oh yes...

SCHIZOPHRENIA

houstoncutie2000 said: But if You like Bush, then choose German....If you Like the Clintons who actually cares about people choose Lexus...

houstoncutie, who was in charge of Louisiana when huricane Katrina it?

It was 3 Democrats, Mayor Nagin, Senator Landrieu and Governor Blanco and they didn't do jack$h!t to help people get out of New Orleans.

Remember Nagins School buses???

Woah, none of us are jealous of the reliability awards you post. We're perfectly happy with our German automobiles, thanks.

After all you've done, houston, you are not at liberty to say you are an Audi fan. It's all "LEXUS THIS, LEXUS THAT, LEXUS LEXUS LEXUS" and we're sick of it.

David - are you paid by Lexus to make all the comments you do? Why is it that if ANYBODY has a negative comment about Lexus you have to have some comment in return about how Lexus is God and all other car manufactureres should bow to it and give in that it's the best?? Do you have to have a comment for everything?!?

I very rarely read any Lexus article now because all the comments are filled with your remarks of bashing others.

If you love Lexus so much why don't you become a salesman at one of their dealers - and let us know which one it's at so we know to never go there!!

very well said...

"Lexus has an unparalleled reputation for quality. Imagine what can happen if this character is paired with dynamic excellence and blistering performance. The mind boggles and the cash registers ring."

"IF" is the key word there...

It will be a great car, not loving the styling though. Should fit in similarly to the way the IS300 did. A competitor but nothing revolutionary, more of an alternative.

If anyone from Japan should be going after the M3/M5 it should be Infiniti. They should put the GTR's engine in the M car and wow...they'd have something there...

*General Comment*
Fanboys ruin threads. There is no place here for subjective commentary identified as fact. So please stop, I kinda like this website.

"It will be a great car, not loving the styling though. Should fit in similarly to the way the IS300 did. A competitor but nothing revolutionary, more of an alternative."

-Well stated.

I didnt state that.

It's quoted from the article.

DID ANYONE ACTUALLY READ IT?!

My bad optomisticpesimist, disregard that post....

Lexus 400HP = German 600HP? Lol...too funny. Obviously Lexus is not a trendsetter because they are trying to compete with German automakers that ALREADY have sport versions of their autos for many years. Lexus is an upstart trying to catch up. Yes Lexus is a good auto maker and luckily owned by Toyota with deep pockets.

I understand David and Houston get their kicks from saying stupid things so it is good they are here for comical relief. Thank you!

Lets wait for the reviews and comparos :)

doesn't the ls460 have more hp than the 745i/750i? yet the BMW performs better, so much for Davids 400+600hp theorum.......I laugh so hard readin david and houstons posts that I don't even watch comedy central because none of the comedians can make me laugh lie these two.

Exactly my opinion.

Lexus was an upstart in 89 with the LS and they did just fine. Watch out for sleepers with no priors, they can and do surprise.

Oh David...where is Lexus in this list of 2007 Safest cars???

http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/iihs/index.html

I have ready most of the comments here about how Lexus vehicles are tops in everything--power, looks, quality--and reliability. Well, allow me to elaborate on my experience with Lexus. I bought a new '07 IS350 in December 06--I, too, believed the hype that the cars were rock-solid and I could look forward to years of trouble free driving. The car has been a quality nightmare from day one. As I write this, it is in the shop for the 8th time to have repairs made. It has been out of service 33 days in the 8 months I have had it. There have been rattles(EVERYWHERE), the Nav system stopped working 3 separate times--the sunroof jammed and would not close. There were loose trim panels, missing pieces in the b-pillar--and the list goes on and on. Most of the problems have been chalked up as "poor assembly' by the dealer. My point is no car, Lexus or not, is perfect. They all can have problems. I for one am trading this car as soon as I can. I could deal with the cold, no-driver involvement feel of my IS--if it was a quality car. It is not. I think the folks on here who blindly hide behind Lexus' reputation for quality and reliability should realize a Lexus is just a car too. But then again, I doubt most of them would ever be able to buy one

bullshit. Give me your vin#, and I will look up your service history in our national computer. There has NEVER been a Lexus like you describe.

CTS24. I am calling you out this too. You are stretching the truth to say the least.

I seriously doubt that to be true CTS. I am a die hard loyal BMW kind of guy, but Lexus is a damn reliable car and I have nothing bad to say about them except they are a little less emotionaly invigorating than some others. Lexus are made here in the U.S. so I can bet they aren't built with as much pride and attention to details because as they once were, as our mentality is so much different fromt he Japanese (no offense to anyone). Anyway, I think if you really had that much trouble, Lexus would have given you another or bought that one back, or the Lemon Law would have came into play. I am a car fan. I appreciate cars, not labels. I like Lexus, love Audi (the A8 is a the most beautiful large sedan to me) Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, etc. I like some of Just about all makes. Hell I even have new found respect for Cadillac, and I never thought I would be saying that in this lifetime!

not saying its not possible, every car manufaturer does have a bad car coma off of the line. People can and do do make mistakes when building cars

Just a small note. I believe that Lexus are made in Japan not in the U.S. The RX is the only model I know made in North America (Canada).

They are building more and more of them in the U.S. Just before recently they were only built in Japan. Now I believe the es, new lx570, rx and gx470 are built here in the U.S, so There goes Lexus perfection, becaude you can have the best design but if it is assembled like crap it ain't going to be as good as the designers intended it to be. We Americans don't take pride nor care about our products like the Japanese and Germans do. We have the laziest don't care attitude of any other country I know of. Why do you think we make the crappiest cars. Why do you think GM sux so bad. especially their electronics. Delco has to be the crappiest electronics company I now of. I am a mechanic and you wouldn't belive the crap we go through everytime a GM vehicle comes in especially with an electrical problem. you'd have to see it to believe it. You know how much of a pain it is to do a simple tune up on a Camaro with an lt1 v8? you have to take the harmonic balancer off and the water pump to get to the distributor cap, but you can't get it wet of its trash and the optispark is expensive. the wires are routed to where it is a pain to re-run them unless you have hands the size of a dwarf, the plugs are hard as hell to get to, you have to tae all of this crap off to get to the front of the engine to access the water pump. it takeds a good mechanic about a day and cost alot. I can do a complete tune up on my BMW in about 30 min or less. fuel pump on a chevy lumina over $300 for the part and then you have to drop the fuel tank which is always full and cram your arm up in a space you can't see to dis connect the fuel lines and wiring. my BMW....$79 and takes about 10 minutes to change and the ones with internal tank pumps had great idea of making a panel to access the top of the fuel tank so you don't have to go through al of that hell to access the fuel pump. Volvo, BMW and most Japanese cars are also lie this. American cars are the biggest pain in the a$$ to work on and they always break down.

Hey BMWidiot. NOT ONE Lexus model is built in the USA. Why would you say something so utterly stupid?

Wow, I can't believe everyone is saying it's impossible. It is not! ALL companies have lemons, "problem vehicles," if you will. CTS probably got one.

And by the way, Lexus cars may have reliable electronics, but they are just not very well-built. The trim pieces are coming loose on the RX, the wind noise is getting worse and the rubber trim strip along the door fell off. It's not as if we're going off-roading in this thing or anything. My wife can't wait to get rid of it.

Come on S4. That is a pretty wide statement based on your "wife's" vehicle
falling apart, because we all know how cheaply made Lexus products are.

Mitchatlexus I hope you aren't calling me an idiot. I never said anything bad about the car, so if you were refering to me watch who you are talking to!! According to what I have read they do make at least 1 or 2 models here in the states. I am sure it is the gk470 based on the 4 runner and the es350 based on the camry. I could be wrong, but I am sure i am right. I did not say it was a fact. So don't get so defensive. I doubt you would get like that with me face to face, trust me on that.

A key point of the IS-F is also shared by the new M3.

What is it?

The opportunity to not purchase one if you don't like it.

Damn. Some of you act as if Lexus is forcing you to own an IS-F.

Chill out. It's Friday people!

thank you! I feel the same way. I don't think you could go wrong with any of them be it the RS, AMG, M or F, its all in what you the purchaser wants. These cars are all styled and designed different in their own way for a reason. I like them all, but I do have my favorites.

I have buddies that have had issues with Inifiti and Lexus rides. Usually abnormal squeeks and random rattling. CTS24 hav eyou looking into the Lemon Law? Sometimes a bad car comes off of the line and you should get another one with no charge.

Do not listen to David or Houston. They add nothing to the forum accept Lexus drivel. What other auto have you looked into?

If you believe CTS24, then you are a bigger dummy than he is.

david999, you are taken as the "smart" david, but you can't wrap your mind around the fact that yes, even Lexus can produce lemon vehicles. They are not perfect.

I have never said they were perfect, only that I doubt the story CTS24
is trying to tell us.

I didn't know that Toyota was redesigning the Corrolla "S"

that's because toyota thinks Corolla based cars would actually work in performace.

AGENT009:

GIVE ME THE OPTION TO HIDE COMMENTS BASED ON USERS.

If I do NOT need to see/read comments from users I think are fake(undercover agents?!) or just stupid and not interesting why keep them?

Really-CTS and IS are different cars? I am so glad I logged on today--up to now I thought they were the same. If you would like to know, my last three cars have been an '03 CTS(no problems), an 'O5 TL(no problems) and now my '07 IS. I assure you it does not take much a month to lease a car for two years.

Porschinator, I appreciate the heads-up. I actually have an arbitration hearing in two weeks to see if the car can go back to Lexus Finincial Services.

CTS24
More bull. Enough with false statements. You have been called out already by
mitchatlexusofmarin in the above posts. Have some self respect, please!

david,

SHUT UP. LEXUS VEHICLES CAN HAVE PROBLEMS. IT IS POSSIBLE.

You need to let yourslef be logical! You sound like a complete idiot, not him! He is obviously not a Lexus hater if he bought an IS350!

S4,
You really are a twit. I don't believe CTS24, and I Don't believe all your stories about your wife's car shopping exploits. Give it a rest you fool.

Lexus will have to go along way to even equal the RS4, let alone the M3 or the C63. Also Don't count Cadillac out with there next gen CTS-V. IMHO I would rather have a IS350. I meet with clients and I would feel juvenile getting out of that riced over car. An M3 or C63 is much classier.

"Lexus will have to go along way to even equal the RS4, let alone the M3 or the C63."

You're saying that as if the RS4 is the worst of the three. All three are so evenly-matched that there's no clear "best" right now; the RS4 was the benchmark last year and the C63 and M3 are both challenging that. There has been no conqueror as of now.

001/009 - I think it is about time that you implement a system to block or isolate comments from posters like David989, Houston,benz??? etc. that, regardless of motivation (sarcasm,irony,stupidity,hate) take the dialogue down to an unbearable level.

EX: David989 "Rolls Royce recently admitted that they benchmark Toyota Corolla interiors because they're so good."

We can all have bad days,enjoy pointed humor, or have passionate positions, but these individuals add nothing to the dialogue and are deboosted to the point of being ridiculous. Some of them seem to average a -10.

Autospies should relegate the posters with that kind of average to their own thread -"Ranters Corner"- for a period of time so that ANY response they enter to ANY thread will go automatically to the "Ranters Corner" and the adults can continue on with our dialogue. (If we are really bored we can visit their thread and see what the lunatics are doing in the asylum.)

This would help eliminate multiple identity posters and distill this site down to some of the really bright and well spoken enthusiasts that we all enjoy reading comments from.

The site would still get the posts and hits it gets paid for but you might bring people into the conversation that don't want to dip their toe into the intellectual cesspool this has devolved into.

Something to think about. It is past time for you guys to do SOMETHING!!!

Not only that, their immature comments make the anti-Lexus fans say things that bring them down to their level.

Amen.

The Lexus IS-F is going to have probably between 440hp-450hp for sure.

I have a Lexus IS250 which I really like.
However, the handling compared to my son's car, the BMW 3 w/ sports package comes up short.
The Lexus IS simply lacks dynamic refinement compared to the BMW, but I feel I can keep my IS for many years..and that was the reason I bought it.

My friend actually owned IS350 which I thought was pretty quick.

Guess what, he was not very happy with the handling and the stability of the car when in high speed.

He traded his IS350 for 2005 BMW M3.
I calls me almost everynight how great his new car is.

This is the reality!

Are you serious Agent009?
you just dropped another dirty "L-bomb," I doubt his idenity. I think he is enjoying the show.

BTW, isn't Corolla 'S' (IS-F) slower than M3 in straight line? And what's up with 'check system' in the pic? LOL!

IS-F already going down thru the toilet fo sho.

Lexus will sell every copy they build and this is just the beginning of the end for the overpriced german cars.

this is annoying, lexus and german fanboys can burn in hell.

Yeah, My older BMW's had that everytime you start it the word check comes on till you hit the check button or tap the brake pedal s long as nothing is lowon fluid or no lights are out. The check panel is a panel that tells you which lights are out and which fluids are low. if one is low the dummy light next to it lights up. you hit the check button and all of the buttons light up, so you know if the warnng lights are all functioning.

This site is getting out of hand, mostly the reason I choose leftlane now. Whether the Lexus fans above are joking or not (certainly hope they are), it's still pathetic. Get a life.

GermanCarFans.com is also excellent. I always check that site first before coming to this circus arena.

This Lexus IS-F is going to be an ICON ;) yeah....LOL :) pretty soon everyone will copy it stack exhaust.

No one will copy that wack stack exhaust.The car just doesn't look too good.In my opinion lexus car just look too soft,, definitely the ultimate car for a hot chick, not for a guy.

It will definitely be appealing to the ricer crowd....

The level of maturity of some of the posters on this site is reason enough never to come back. I just started to look at this site--I have no alterior motive--the fact is I have had problems with my IS and I am simply not happy. Believe me or not, I could care less. Rational people accept that any car, from any manufacturer, can have problems. For comments like "there has never been a Lexus like that" to be posted shows the level of ignorance here. Lexus works with the NCDS, or National Center for Dispute Settlement. I assure you, I am not the only Lexus owner that has utilized them. Feel free to check it out, mitchatlexusofmarin,the info is in the back of the owners manual in any new Lexus.

No worries CTS24. Lexus joke'sters do not want to be punked out so they will deny, deny, deny everything that they do not beleive. I will be shocked if they admit that the Lexus ES chassis is the same as the Camry.

Don't get me wrong German fanboys can get annoying too. David just gets his kicks from stiring up stuff and no one should bother.

They will refuse to acknowledge these sites:

http://www.internetautoguide.com/auto-recalls/01-int/lexus/index.html

http://www.mycarstats.com/auto_Recalls/LEXUS_Recalls.asp

http://www.automallusa.net/2006/lexus/is250/recalls.html

Wow...Lexus has recalls, issues too?!? Well yeah!!!

Like someone mentioned above, Lexus is a chick's car, not a guy's car. To be exact, it is for japanese school girls' car.

Whenever Lexus IS-F pulls right next to me on the signal light, you bet I'm gonna stare and give him a dumbs down. Not because he drives Lexus IS-F, it is because he is driving a wrong kind of car for that price.

I gotta say, if it wasn't for david989 and houstoncutie i'd never log onto this site and read the articles and comments. You guys are pure 100% entertainment. Keep it up guys, i know it's a lot of work but I appreciate it and a lot of other guys here secretly love it as well. You = best!

when another article relevances Lexus, useless discussion as always.

I would buy the upcoming nissan gtr before the lexus-IS-IF. The m3 with the cl version will be the class leader(no doubt). I have driven the Is and Gs. They are good cars but in a different kind of league when compared to bmw. The really good value will be the 135 coupe with the std M package. This will be a true enthuisast car at a reasonable price.

-32 boost!! That has to be a record! ROTFLMFAO!!!

I tried to boost david but my measly one vote didn't do much. I'm sure it was much higher but a lot of us "david989 supporters" kept it under 40 thankfully. David, keep up the good work!

The F stands for Fugly.

Ugh, I'm sorry for my snobbery but I would be so embarrassed of driving a Lexus within my inner-circles.

I would be laughed out of The Hamptons if I were to ever do such a bold thing.

Does your circle involve circle-jerks?

Since you would be embarrassed, I will answer that for you: Yes.

Moving on, there is nothing new to see here.

FL rapper T-Pain decided to put some 20's on a mini cooper. watch his music video bartender. putting big rims on a car makes no sense at all. hurts the ride, less tire life, too flashy and chrome will distract other drivers creating glare and accidents.

NEWYORKER, that was an incredibly immature comment. Your name speaks volumes about your insecurity.

usually when a manufacturer designs and releases a high performance version of a current model it is more attractive. in this case it's as if Lexus pulled out the ugly stick and beat an IS350 to death. stacked quad pipes?? rice gills on the side??? this car is just plain odd looking. all the horsepower in the world won't this Japanese Aztek.

I have to say i like the stacked pipes, but the rest of the car is garish. Its tacky and over done. Way to rice burner boy racer. They missed the tall tacky rear spoiler. If they were serious about competing with the Germans they should have made it more tasteful. I honestly think they are gonna have a hard time selling this car. There is such a small demographic for 16-25 year olds with 70k to drop on such a childishly styled car.

it will be a drug dealer and pimps car...

No those are Cadillacs, Crown Vics/Grand marquis, and chevys on 24's they don't know a real car, only what the same ignorant rappers say is cool. If one of these crappy dirty south rappers started driving yugos on 20's best believe everyone would follow suit

This is the biggest and dirtiest L-bomb I've ever witnessed in the history of autospies.com.
This is like Lexus trolls version of prison break. What a chaos!

"As Lexus is already telling us in its advertising, "'F' is everything you thought we weren't.""

That's deep. Needless to say, I think Lexus will have a winner here. I mean, look at how many comments have been made on this article just because the title said "IS F". If people are this curious about it, then people are going to go check it out, even if they hate it. And if Lexus is only making 1,000 of these, I'm sure there are more than 1,000 potential buyers out there. I think that if Lexus puts their mind to something, they can achieve it. There are going to be a lot of surprised people when the IS F comes out.

As handsome as I find the 'standard issue' Lexus IS, this thing just does not sit well with me aesthetically.

The overwrought side skirts, the ridiculous looking vertically stacked exhaust tips...

All far too 'Rice Rocket/Boy Racer' for any buyer of discerning taste, and (I believe) it'll cost them more potential customers as a result of these styling choices.

"this car is sick sick sick! 8 speed ultra fast shifting tranny, 400+ high revving horses!!!"

OK. I'll take that at face value. But tell me why to buy it over the...

• Audi RS4: high-revving, 420hp V8 that may be upgraded to 450 for 2008. A gem of an engine, as well as perfectly-weighted steering and a slick manual transmission that's just more fun than ANY auto, DSG, eight-speed or not

• BMW M3: similarly to the RS4, it has a fantastic V8 engine that loves to rev and supremely capable handling; you can customize your M3 driving experience in hundreds of different programmable ways

• Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG: a breakthrough for Mercedes-Benz is this latest model. Also like the RS4, it combines comfort and style with a glorious engine and mold-breaking handling

I know the IS-F will be a very impressive machine, but it looks like it's shaping up to be an "alternative" to these three big boys.

F stands for female.

so I am totally ignoring this post and this irrelevent attempt by Lexus to play with the Big Boys. I just login to have the pleasure to deboost David and houston

So when does America get the IS-Flake???

Only ugly and un-chic people drive Lexus.

Disgusting.

Only transparent trolls that have no lives carry names such as "RICHNEWYORKER". Buddy, I could spot you from a mile away.

T-R-O-L-L...

Aka, david989.

Okay, why are you even questioning me?

Please get back into your KIA and leave me alone, you peasant.

Wow, you remind me of someone I know... heh, that's not a compliment.

people give attention to IS-F cuz it's so ugly fugly!

F as in fancy toyota, F as in Failure, F as in Follower, F as in Fake BMW, F as in fraud

Here F should mean the 'F' word. This one is gross, fugly, and retarded.

lol

All those "F" words, just to say that you are "O", for "obsessed".

And it is 2 days, and 200 posts.

If this car were to NOT have any impact on the market, it is safe to say that this would get as much recognition as a special edition Buick Park Avenue. But, alas, it isn't.

If Lexus bores you so much, move on.

If this IS-F doesn't deliver on its promise of high-performance and intuitive driver involvement, then it probably would not interest me much. We simply don't know all that much about it yet, but it seems to already be getting underneath your skin, fellas.

If you like the M3, RS4, and C63 as much as you do and don't think there is any reason to give this car credibility, then there is no need comment on it as much as you do. You are all giving it the opposite of what you think it doesn't deserve - CREDIBILITY! Kind of a catch-22 isn't it?

Anyways, I'm more of an RS4 man, myself. I actually don't know whether I dislike the IS-F, or if I like it yet. I decide to wait until there is something to discuss.

Until then, enjoy the flame war!

what is it you didn't understand, I was joking... nothing to do with obsession...duh!!!

YOU may be joking, but what you didn't understand is that what I said may apply to the majority of posters on this site. Forgive me for singling you out.

I just came back from walking the dog (bear) so that he could do his nightly ritual: dumping some logs.

Time to hit the sack.

Goodnight.

Hyundai, I think the reason the IS-F threads (and Lexus threads in general) generate so much bashing is because of the people in it, not the car itself. If there were not so many opposing views, we would not have 240 posts.

They are trying to convince each other that THEIR views are the only right views- similar to religion. It's interesting, and if provoked, I get into it, too. But I don't want to.

True.

Wave, We Americans make crap cars, but we love stealing your smelly woman and letting them ride our big and powerful American pony rods.

Wow. What a flame war! Haven't seen it that big for a long time.

And I think everyone should reserve their opinion till the car comes out.

Reserve my opinion?

Who do you think you're talking to? Giving me advice? As far as you're concerned, I am the messiah of style and class.

sure... when your making a fool out of yourself.

Playstation 3 car in action. Too bad the kids don't have the dough to buy it now and in 20 yrs noone will be able to race a 2008 Lexus still in operation.

That is quite possibly the most garish and worst car ever. I wouldn't care if it has 700 hp...I will enjoy blowing every idiot who payed way too much money off the road in there IS-F.

Well i'm not one to judge, whatever you do in your own time is your own business...

"I will enjoy blowing every idiot who payed way too much money off the road in there IS-F."

Mwhah....Mwhah ha ha ha aha ha ah ...I can barely type this...

Well, I suppose that is safer than blowing them on the road...although I don't think the interior of an IS-F is the appropriate place for such.... activities....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

That comment was for germeezy1, by the way.

Seriously. This car is so vile and tacky, I wouldn't even allow my domestic servants to pull up the the gates of my East Hampton compound or my Upper West Side penthouse driving such a garish car. Ugh!!!!

It seriously it nasty and if I look at that over-done with hideousness, plebeian, trash vehicle one more time I will just gouge my eyes out.

Who is Lexus in the hideous, low-class race with? Are they trying to battle the ugliness within their own brand because they clearly have no style or a sense of fashion.

That's all.

This guy is an even bigger snob than me or cdoke!!!

LOL.

I would personally bar my Nepalese cleaner from driving up to my 2 million dollar house in London's best suburb or to my villa in Spain in one of these frightfully common cars, it would lower my house price!

None of my rich and educated friends have Lexus because we all drive around floating on our own hot air, terribly comfortable and organic as well.

Now excuse me, I have tea with Princess Anne and Camilla Parker-Bowles at 5, must dash.

Toodle-pip!

And if I were ever to pull up alongside that hideous Lexus whilst driving in traffic I will personally sue that driver for emotional distress.

Something so nasty in this day of age coming from a brand trying to compete with the modern, fluid and stylish designs of the new Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Audi should be barred from the motor way.

Bloody hell.

Wow. LOL.

Aren't you too "RICH" to drive, your Royal Anus?

I use "whilst". Were you do go back and look at some of my older posts I have absolutely no doubt that you would find it there.

Of course, I have other eccentricities which my friends love to point out to me. Never ask me the time apparently. Yesterday I was derided for saying 2:53 was "eight past three quarters after 2" I am very visual and give correspondingly visual answers as that is just how my brain processes information.

His response to all of this was "We need to get you a digital watch"

Once while stopping near the valet station at the mall briefly before leaving, a man asked me what time it was- I was looking at my watch. My response slipped out at "A third of a quarter past a half 'till two" His look would have undoubtedly been the same had I answered him in Aramaic. Of course, I realized this and just told him: 1:35

OJ's favorite car is Lexus IS-F.

If the memorabilia was ripped, you must convict.

Yeah how would I ever even stay up with an over 400 hp Lexus since there 400 plus is more like the 600 plus that I have....and when the LF-A comes out then BMW will need 800 hp just to be even.

Autospies.com should kick the user or block user's right to commnet for like a week when he/she is de-boosted below 40!

HAHA

It stands for "FUJI SPEEDWAY" where the car was tested.It can and will compete with BMW,AUDI,and Mercedes.Just rembember all of these cars are ultra low production.Everybody will sell every copy they import.I can't belive anyone wouldn't want to own any of these cars they are all great.Its like having a blonde redhead and a brunette they all feel different but are all fun to drive.

Ultra low production? This is a Toyota. This is a car I might buy for my teenage son. Don't think for a moment that this is an exclusive exotic. This is a starter car for a middle income American or a teenager. A Ferrari 599 is an ultra low production exotic that would be worth owning, but a Lexus?

You must have cow manure for your brains boy.Two thousand copies a year or so is ultra low production.If you bought this car for your son he would wreck it the first day.Just about everyone on this site doesn't have the driving skills to handle the power of these cars.I didn't use the word exotic anywhere in my post,but I'm sure performance will be close to the ferrari at a fraction of the cost.

Does selling used cars make you an Autopro? Success and failure have one thing in common they both leave clues. The clue to you being a loser is obvious, isnt it?

Well let me tell you dog face,I've been selling new luxury cars since 1985 porsche,audi,BMW,VW,saab,lexus,bentley,nissan,infiniticadillac and dodge.I've been a salesperson,F&I,sales manager and general manager.Anytime you want to debate cars I'm ready,and I'll make you look like the idiot you are.

You sell luxury cars, I buy collector cars. I make millions, you wear polyester suits and coffee stained Mickey Mouse ties. You are a loser, I am a self made multi millionaire, you are a sad failure of a man.....

Having money doesn't mean anything to me your still an ass-ole,just one with money.Money doesn't make you smart either,your using your daddy's money to buy old junk who cares.I don't wear suits just a shirt and tie,and if we meet face to face I'd bust your ass and steal your girlfriend.

Being you started selling used cars in 85 means your probably an old loser geezer. Being I made my money in the Fitness business means I still practice what I preach, daily. I am also a world class grappler. Success takes discipline little man. I would take your Mickey Mouse tie and beat you like a Tijuana donkey. I would then let the donkey make love to your hideous wife. Poor donkey..... Now go have another cocktail, loser....

I see spadog55 means either you were born in 55 or that's twice your IQ. While you were rubbing gonads in the dojo with a 13yr old filipino boy,I was poping towel heads melons in desert storm.So as your grappling with young boys you could be in my crosshairs.