First real life photos of the 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser

First real life photos of the 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser
The Spies were in Montana this week testing the iron man of SUV's, the 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser.

The all-new 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser sport utility vehicle (SUV), now in its seventh generation, continues to carry its incomparable reputation for quality, durability and reliability

This Land Cruiser, known as the 200 Series, adds significantly to the quality, dependability and reliability (QDR) equation by including new components, and more comfort, sophistication and value than ever before. The Land Cruiser, with its incredible reliability and capability, is the iconic vehicle that helped Toyota gain its first foothold in the world automobile market

Over the years, it has evolved from a basic four-wheel-drive utility vehicle into an upscale vehicle with the capability of the original Land Cruiser and the comfort and convenience of a luxury sedan

This new Land Cruiser takes those values several steps further than ever before

"The Land Cruiser asserts its position at the very top of the Toyota SUV lineup by building on our core heritage - durability, capability, fun-to-drive, and value," said Jim Lentz, executive vice president, Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc

"For more than 50 years, the Land Cruiser has delivered on off-road capability and performance, and this generation will raise the ante for overall capability and comfort." The Land Cruiser cements its reputation as the "King of Off-Road" with systems and features that also make it the "King of On-Road." An all-new engine and transmission delivers unparalleled power, efficiency and smoothness

The sophisticated Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS) enhances the Land Cruiser's ride and off-road capability

The Land Cruiser also receives a new electro-mechanical system, CRAWL Control, which improves its excellent off-road capabilities and allows the driver to further concentrate on choosing a line without also having to manage momentum

A sophisticated new frame and suspension further help enhance Land Cruiser safety

"As I began this task, I understood what Land Cruiser Chief Engineers have always understood: quality, durability and reliability are the priorities," said Land Cruiser executive chief engineer Hideki Watanabe

"The engineering team realized there could be no substitute for a Land Cruiser

This led us to believe we should further enhance the basic concepts that have made the Land Cruiser the iconic vehicle that it is

And so that's what we've done." High-Strength Chassis and Suspension To develop the next generation of the toughest, most desirable four-wheel-drive vehicle in the world, the Land Cruiser's engineers began with the frame

Rather than being tempted by a unitized body, the type used by some car-based four-wheel-drive vehicles, they elected to maintain a separate frame and body for the Land Cruiser 200 Series

Land Cruiser engineers determined that strengthening a unitized body, to stand up to the stress of rough roads and high-capacity towing, would increase the body's mass and weight as to completely negate the lightweight character usually gained by unitization. Beginning with the current Land Cruiser frame structure and using advanced engineering methods and lightweight components, engineers developed an all-new frame structure that offers superior strength and rigidity while also enhancing towing capacity

Engineers worked on insulation and body-on-frame mounting bushings to reduce road noise, suppress vibration, and enhance on-road and off-road comfort

The result is a high-strength, high-rigidity frame structure that uses lightweight, high-strength steel and deeper, wider frame longitudinals help to provide enhanced safety

The front of the frame adopts a three-stage crush structure so frame damage to other areas of the vehicle is minimized in the case of frontal impact

Chassis and suspension components received as much thought and attention as the Land Cruiser's frame

It receives a new double-wishbone independent front suspension and four-link rear suspension with a solid live axle

Up front, the Land Cruiser employs a high-mount double-wishbone system with tubular gas-pressure shock absorbers, a hollow stabilizer bar, and coil springs

The system was designed to suppress alignment change while the suspension travels through its stroke and maintains an optimal length of stroke

The purpose of this system is to achieve a high level of off-road driving performance and suspension control while maintaining a high level of on-road driving comfort

At the rear, the reliable and trusted four-link, coil-spring with lateral rod format was redesigned to provide a longer suspension stroke for improved on-and off-road performance

The Land Cruiser's rear suspension also features tubular gas-pressure shock absorbers and a hollow stabilizer bar

The brake system is enlarged and more powerful than ever, with 13.4-inch ventilated discs and four-piston calipers up front and 13.6-inch ventilated discs at the rear

The Land Cruiser features power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering with a variable gear ratio that requires just 3.1 turns to go from lock-to-lock

Gear ratio is set larger around the steering center and smaller around the end position. Enhancing this advanced suspension system is KDSS, a Toyota first, which provides a unique mixture of optimal on-road roll stiffness and off-road suspension compliance

This consists of a pair of hydraulic control cylinders that vary roll stiffness depending on suspension attitude. Applying all this technology to the driving surface are P285/60 R18 mud-and-snow steel-belted radial tires mounted on 18 x 8.0-inch aluminum alloy wheels with a high-gloss finish

The Land Cruiser also features a full-size spare tire. The Land Cruiser has a gross vehicle weight rating of 7,275 pounds, while it has a maximum payload of 1,585 pounds and a maximum towing capacity of 8,500 pounds

Approach and departure angles are 30 degrees and 20 degrees, respectively

Engine, Transmission and Drivetrain The Land Cruiser is powered by an all-new 5.7L (346 cid) DOHC V8 engine known as the 3UR-FE

The engine uses electronic fuel injection, Toyota Direct Ignition, four valves per cylinder and a variable-length intake tract to produce 381 horsepower at 5,600 rpm and 401 lb-ft of torque at 3,600 rpm

The Land Cruiser uses regular 87-octane gasoline and has ULEV-II emissions status. Features of this engine include Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i), Acoustic Controlled Induction System (ACIS), Electronic Throttle Control System with intelligence (ETCS-i) and air injection

The engine also has aluminum block and heads and employs resin-coated pistons that reduce friction loss and a taper squish combustion chamber shaped to improve anti-knock performance and fuel efficiency. Each camshaft on the intake side is chain-driven from the crankshaft and uses VVT-i

On the exhaust side, each camshaft is chain-driven, but from the intake camshaft

The exhaust cams also use VVT-i

ACIS uses a bulkhead to divide the intake manifold into two stages

It alters the length of the tract in the intake manifold using engine speed and throttle valve opening to provide optimal performance in all RPM ranges

The engine's throttle body links to the Land Cruiser's accelerator pedal through ETCS-i to ensure optimal throttle control in all operating ranges. Each of the four valves per cylinder is actuated by a rocker arm that rides on built-in needle bearings to reduce friction and improve fuel economy

To help control oil temperature while towing, this legendary off-road vehicle uses a water-cooled oil cooler

The Land Cruiser also features stainless-steel exhaust manifolds and exhaust pipes. This advanced powerplant is connected to Toyota's AB60F six-speed electronically controlled transmission

In this smooth-shifting transmission, fourth gear is direct drive, and both fifth and sixth gears are overdrive gears

Fifth drive offers an overdrive ratio of 0:728:1 while sixth has a ratio of 0.588:1

Delivering power to this transmission is a compact, high-capacity torque converter that offers flexible lock-up control for improved fuel economy

The transmission uses Artificial Intelligence (AI) Shift Control, which allows the transmission's Electronic Control module to estimate road condition and predict the driver's intention to select the appropriate gear ratio for the vehicle's speed and the driving conditions

This transmission also offers a sequential shift mode that allows the driver to select gears manually

In this mode, the transmission automatically selects first gear when the vehicle comes to a stop

The Land Cruiser is the first Toyota vehicle to use a newly-developed JF2A transfer case to provide full-time four-wheel drive

This lightweight, compact, chain-driven unit offers a standard 1:1 high ratio for highway travel and a low-range 2.618:1 ratio for traversing challenging driving surfaces

The transfer case employs a Torsen limited-slip locking center differential

The locking function is actuated by a push-button switch

High and low ranges are selected with a rotary dial, located next to the HVAC and audio control panels

Indicator lights in the right-hand combination meter on the Land Cruiser's dash panel indicate when low range and/or center lock is selected

The Land Cruiser's front SD22A differential uses a 3.909:1 gear ratio and a ring gear that is 8.7 inches in diameter

The rear BD24A differential uses precisely the same gear ratio and employs a 9.5-inch ring gear

Drawing from a multi-layer composite 24.6-gallon fuel tank, the Land Cruiser has preliminary EPA fuel economy estimates of 13/18 mpg city/highway, based on calculations using the new EPA methodology for all 2008 and newer models. Safety Systems The Land Cruiser comes replete with a wide variety of systems designed to help maintain the safety and security of the vehicle's driver and passengers

Like all Toyota SUVS, the Land Cruiser comes standard with the STAR safety system

A new, four-wheel multi-terrain anti-lock braking system (ABS) automatically selects the optimal ABS profile to provide the most suitable brake force for on- and off-road driving surfaces

Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) employs the multi-terrain ABS to properly balance braking forces between the front and rear brakes, while Brake Assist (BA) provides auxiliary force to assist the driver during emergency braking

Active Traction Control (A-TRAC) helps maintain traction during acceleration by controlling engine output and braking forces to the wheel, distributing the drive force that might have been lost to the wheels and tires have traction

Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), with a cut-off switch, helps maintain directional control during cornering by manipulating engine torque and individual wheel-braking influence when it detects tire slippage

In addition to the STAR safety features, the Land Cruiser also features Hill-start Assist Control (HAC), which provides additional control for off-road driving by helping to keep the vehicle stationary while starting on a steep incline or slippery surface

The new Land Cruiser features 10 airbags, the most airbags found in any Toyota vehicle

These include driver and front passenger dual-stage advanced airbags; driver and front passenger knee airbags; front- and second-row seat-mounted side airbags; and three-row roll-sensing side curtain airbags with a roll-sensing cutoff switch. To this arsenal of safety tools, the Land Cruiser adds various new standard features: CRAWL Control, a direct tire pressure monitor system (TPMS), intuitive parking assist and front active headrests

With the transfer case shifted into low range, CRAWL controls engine speed and output, along with braking force, to propel the vehicle forward or in reverse at one of three low-speed settings

This allows the driver to maintain focus while steering over very rough level ground or steep grades, without having to also concentrate on the throttle or brake pedals

CRAWL Control includes Downhill Assist Control (DAC), which is designed to augment the low-speed ascending ability of low-range by holding the vehicle to a target speed with no driver intervention. The direct-sensing TPMS receives air-pressure signals from all of the vehicle's tires, including the spare tire

When the pressure in one of the tires is below a preset threshold, the system turns on a light in the vehicle's instrument cluster to alert the driver

Intuitive parking assist, new for Land Cruiser, relies on ultrasonic sensors on the front and rear bumpers to sense obstacles. All eight seating positions feature three-point seatbelts

The new Land Cruiser incorporates active headrests for the driver and front passenger

Active headrests move up and forward almost instantly in the event of certain rear-end collisions when the force of the occupant body is applied to the seat back and help reduce the distance between the occupant's head and the headrest

An available advanced seatbelt system is designed to retract the front seatbelts when the brakes are suddenly applied or when tire slippage is detected by the VSC system. Body and Interior: Civilized Comfort for all Driving Conditions Pursuing an "Advanced and Rugged" theme, engineers and designers enhanced and enlarged the front and rear fender overhangs

They also raised the height of the beltline just enough to exemplify an "advanced" image without compromising the vehicle's continuity of styling and driver and passenger visibility

The thick, rectangular grille and headlamps maintain Land Cruiser's steady and intelligent expression, while the hood flows gracefully into the grille and beltlines. Character lines were given a new sweep and feel, especially in the front and in the area around the rear door handles, and the back door panels were styled to suggest strength

The result is a design that is at once fresh and new, yet very familiar because it closely suggests its ties to the Land Cruiser designs that have preceded it, making it instantly recognizable

The body itself utilizes welded high-strength sheet steel, especially in the A-, B-, C- and D-pillars, and in the rocker area to reduce weight and increase rigidity

Engineers designed the B-pillar to help absorb side impacts and transfer them into the rest of the body structure where they can more safely dissipate

They also designed the hood to help absorb impact, especially at the front, to help minimize injury in the event of pedestrian impact

The result of these subtle changes, in conjunction with other safety enhancements to the vehicle's frame and chassis, is a slight increase in the vehicle's overall length by 60 millimeters, or 2.3 inches, and in width, by 30 millimeters or 1.2 inches

Engineers placed a foam substance inside the A-pillars to aid in the reduction of wind noise

A bifacial molding between the windshield and the body helps reduce aerodynamic turbulence, and thus noise

In addition, the cowl is carefully shaped to prevent wind from interfering with the windshield wipers. Land Cruiser features special underbody panels behind the front bumper, extending under the engine and behind the rear wheels designed specifically to protect the engine and transmission and to help the vehicle traverse rocky terrain smoothly

In addition, these underbody panels smooth the airflow under the vehicle while minimizing drag and turbulence

The interior is optimized for the comfort, security and safety of its driver and up to seven passengers – two in the front, and three each in the second and third rows of seating. Engineers designed an all-new air conditioning system for the next-generation Land Cruiser and focused on two goals – developing a Toyota-first multi-zone system for maximum cooling and heating performance, and providing ultimate comfort and convenience for all passengers

An ejector type cycle allows continuous operation of the optional cool box and the air conditioning system thereby eliminating the conventional switching operation

As a result, the air conditioning system and cool box are simultaneously supplied with refrigerant, enhancing performance

For optimal heating performance, engineers equipped the Land Cruiser with an auxiliary positive temperature coefficient (PTC) heater

The PTC heater consists of a PTC element, aluminum fin, and brass plate

When current is applied to the PTC element, it generates heat that warms the air that passes through the unit. Passengers will enjoy four-zone independent control with 28 air vents located throughout the cabin

First and second-row passengers have access to individual climate control, so that all passengers will be comfortable, even when only one side of the vehicle is exposed to the sun

Finally, the system also includes a micro-dust and pollen filter and a seven-level blower control

The driver's primary focal point, the instrument panel, features a set of bright Optitron gauges with clear turquoise illumination

The gauge on the left contains a tachometer and an oil pressure gauge, along with the Land Cruiser's warning lights

The gauge on the right contains a speedometer and a voltmeter, along with function lights that signal the operation of, among other things, the Land Cruiser's four-wheel drive system and the state of inflation of the vehicle's tires

Between them are the temperature and fuel gauges, high-beam and fuel warning lights

Beneath these gauges is a multi-informational display that shows gear selection, odometer, tripmeter, fuel consumption, individual tire pressure for all five tires and cruising range

Directly to the right on the center dash element are the HVAC and entertainment controls

To the left of the HVAC controls are the push-button start, four-wheel-drive, VSC cut-off, and center locking differential switches. The vehicle's center console features a gate-type shifter with sequential shift mode operation, the parking brake, a storage box with several compartments and a removable tray, universal mini-jack port and cupholders

For convenience, the passenger-side second-row seat features a one-touch tumble mechanism for easier third-row ingress and egress

The second-row seats now slide forward and aft 4.1 inches for more passenger comfort and cargo storage versatility

The second row also employs an advanced child restraint system. Convenience and Attention to Detail The Land Cruiser features a number of thoughtful standard details

These include a JBL premium audio system with an in-dash six-CD/DVD changer and 14 speakers; Smart Key keyless entry; anti-theft security system; push-button start which allows the driver to unlock or start the vehicle by carrying the key on his person; engine immobilizer; cruise control; power moonroof; electrochomic rearview and side mirrors; HomeLink®; steering wheel-mounted audio, telephone, and voice recognition controls; heated, power front seats with driver's memory; and power tilt and telescopic steering column with memory

In addition, the Land Cruiser offers a variety of options as part of upgrade packages: a DVD rear-seat entertainment system with a nine-inch LCD screen; Bluetooth™ technology; back-up camera; second-row heated seats; a touch-screen DVD-based navigation system with an eight-inch display that includes navigation, audio, HVAC, back-up monitor, headlamp washers, and Bluetooth™ controls

For towing convenience, the Land Cruiser has a towing converter that supplies electrical power to trailer lights and a sub wiring harness to connect to a commercial trailer brake controller. Colors Land Cruiser will be available in eight exterior colors

New to Toyota and unique to the Land Cruiser is Amazon Green Metallic

Other colors include Classic Silver Metallic, Magnetic Gray Metallic, Pacific Blue Metallic, Sonora Gold Pearl, Salsa Red Pearl, Super White, and Black

These exterior colors are matched with a choice of sand beige or medium gray leather-trimmed interior. Warranty Toyota's 36-month/36,000-mile basic new-vehicle warranty and applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items

Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for 60,000 miles and corrosion perforation with no mileage limitation.

EL34EL34 - 9/19/2007 12:39:08 AM
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Heavens to Mergatroid!

This SUV looks old school.

Call it the Moon Cruiser.


Agent001Agent001 - 9/19/2007 1:13:48 AM
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Remember that this is a vehicle who has a customer demographic of 63 years old with an average income of $237,000.

So based on who it was designed for, we'd say they hit the nail on the head.

And it is a global vehicle that has to appeal to many different cultures and it is the number one selling SUV in the middle east.

If you want a Defender style Land Cruiser, wait for the four-door FJ...we predict it's coming sooner than later...

001


MagjuanMagjuan - 9/19/2007 2:07:00 AM
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LMAO!!!! Funniest first comment Ive ever read on this site.


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 9/19/2007 8:40:28 AM
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EL34, this thing is ahead of its time then? the Moon will be colonized by the next generation and, if they can give the Moon an appropriate atmosphere, the new Land Cruiser will run just fine up there.

Important nice touches for me are the electroluminescent gauges and the Torsen differential that I did not see mentioned but that I know this vehicle uses.

I saw an old original Land Cruiser on the local Toyota dealer's lot the other day (complete with many rust spots on the paint) and, incontrast, this new Land Cruiser is totally contemporary in style.


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 9/19/2007 8:44:29 AM
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Oops, I take it back, the article did mention the locking Torsen differential. BTW, I wish all RWD cars would come stantard with LSD.


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 9/19/2007 8:55:37 AM
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Agent001, I think you got the demographic wrong. You are pricing the vehicle too high. I have not seen the price but I believe that it will be totally affordable by any younger professional family that has a city as well as country property. An SUV fits right into that weekend cottage crowd.

Older guys like myself (rapidly approaching 70) are now looking to buy their last car as they have no idea how long they will continue to be able to drive. Many older folk are looking for smaller cars for ease of parking, affordability or whatever.


MonkMonk - 9/19/2007 12:45:19 AM
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hey it's the new Lexus!!! cool!


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 9/19/2007 8:57:18 AM
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No doubt there will be a Lexus version but you'll probably have to pay $10K or $20K more for the "L" on the grille.


RICHNEWYORKERRICHNEWYORKER - 9/19/2007 12:53:31 AM
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Yikes!!

That thing is so ugly, it hurts.




w209w114w209w114 - 9/19/2007 2:02:19 PM
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It hasnt even come out and its already in need of a redesign!

And I thought the navigator rear was hideous


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 9/19/2007 1:14:32 AM
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hey look! it's the lexus LX570.
i'm mean...the toyota landcruiser.
ugly either way.

the land cruiser was the ONE toyota i always liked. classic good looks. and they've ruined it.


Matthew1Matthew1 - 9/19/2007 2:37:23 AM
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Don't be unreasonable nicad.

enthusiastx11 gave an honest opinion and you decided to play the 'BMW sucks' card.

Immature and uncalled for. If we want uneducated, biased retorts on this thread we would have asked for them.

I also don't see your 'real man's SUV' point. The new Land Cruiser is refined, comfortable and has all the creature comforts (well, most) of a Lexus.

I would think something like a Land Rover Defender to be more 'manly;, as it designed for one thing only: Off-roading. Which is why it has an uncomfortable and spartan interior, rugged exterior and formidable off-roading prowess.

Next time engage your brain before you piss us all off with your stupidity (accidental or otherwise).


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 9/19/2007 8:59:13 AM
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enthusiastx11, if the style improvent offends you, buy yourself an FJ Cruiser (my favorite Toyota product).


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 9/19/2007 11:21:25 AM
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nicad:

well it's an ugly daddy then.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 9/19/2007 11:22:07 AM
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nicad:

well it's an ugly daddy then.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 9/19/2007 11:22:32 AM
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nicad:

well it's an ugly daddy then.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 9/21/2007 12:48:33 PM
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oh nicad:

have you noticed that i comment on the cars, while you comments on my income and family (neither of which you know)?

bring it back to the cars buddy.


droptopdroptop - 9/19/2007 2:46:18 AM
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yaaaawn


CzelinskiCzelinski - 9/19/2007 5:32:40 AM
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The front for what it is, not too bad. but that rear end is worse than the 7 Series. That really shouldn't be there and the interior plastics look pretty cheap too.


truckmentruckmen - 9/19/2007 6:14:20 AM
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This is as refined as you can find in an suv, although this is no off road vehicle! Give me a 1985 Toyota PU 4x4 stock for maybe $2,000. and I guarantee this LC couldn't keep up!
This vehicles pros are it has a great transfer case and engine/tranny and
the cons are poor aproach departure and break over angles. The tires are also too small! The IFS lacks wheel travel just like the FJ! I would like to see the old LC make a comeback with two solid axles! Independant suspension is ok if it has sufficient wheel travel, unfortunatly no company offers it. Conclusion: this is a refined proincess but no off road machine like they describe!


M35MTM35MT - 9/19/2007 7:54:37 AM
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Actually, it is an off-road machine. No further comment necessary.


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 9/19/2007 9:05:07 AM
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I'm really not interested in going truly off road these days but I can tell you that you can take almost any vehicle with sufficient ground clearance and a winch into the bush on a single-lane trail. Been there done that with a friend back in the fifties in Northern Quebec. Got hung up on big boulders a couple of times in a GM pick-up truck but always managed to winch it free and carry on with the adventure.


truckmentruckmen - 9/20/2007 4:55:03 AM
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Sorry to break it to all of you L/C lovers.Get your head out of the sand, I tell nothing but the truth! Do any of you that de-boosted me drive expedition style off roading? I didn't think so, gravel roads do not count! I love all the old L/c because they are good off road and reliable. I have also owned 3 Toyota 4x4s and a 1976 Bronco. The Bronco was king off road! my toyotas didn't come close to the two solid axles of the Bronco, although the Toyota axles were stronger and more reliable by far! The reality is this L/C is still a princess! unlike to past L/C with the solid axles.


M35MTM35MT - 9/20/2007 12:16:11 PM
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truckman -

Dont assume I dont know what real off roading is :)

I have a cabin up 1300 up a mountain on a logging road. I've seen the true capability of many different trucks/SUVs...and actually, 4Runners among the best.


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 9/22/2007 2:44:01 PM
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I agree with Truckman as much as I like the older L/C it really has become to big and compromised for real off-roading. More likely to be seen at Starbucks than the back-country.

Oh, as for my credentials I will be spending next week driving deep into the back-country of Moab.


ToneeTonee - 9/19/2007 9:24:45 AM
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This is the vehicle in the Toyota line up and the worst seller. Even to be so called "all new" is still looks dated, how'd they manage that? Also what's up w/Toyota and the whole keyless start thing? Is that really necessary to have on a Toyota?


PlanBPlanB - 9/19/2007 9:59:05 AM
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Toyota could've done better with the outer design. It is very boring, especially knowing that this is the basic design we'll be seeing on it for the next 10 years, if you consider how long it takes them to actually redesign Land Cruisers. I'm sure since its a Toyota it'll last forever and be very reliable but I would still like to be stimulated when I look at it. And this truck just isn't doing it for me. If Toyota isn't careful, they're not gonna be no.1 for long, especially with designs like this.


markusckmarkusck - 9/19/2007 10:45:43 AM
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Come on 001, why make excuses for uninspired design? Just because the demographic is x, Toyota can ignore basic design qualities? and who says old farts want a reliable circa 1990's box? The design is typical of Toyota, hoping that people just buy because of reliability...very sad when they could have it all...


david989david989 - 9/19/2007 11:40:33 AM
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It is so beautiful. Much sportier and classier looking than the old one. The interior looks like its class leading again. I love Toyota so much!


mattrixmattrix - 9/19/2007 11:56:35 AM
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It looks just like the 2008 Highalnder, or should I say that the Higlander looks just like this, either way I think both vehicles look great!


pitangpitang - 9/19/2007 12:26:03 PM
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A good truck is not always beautiful.


sedainesedaine - 9/19/2007 12:35:08 PM
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Funny - the old one looks better, by far.


Anti_BangleAnti_Bangle - 9/19/2007 12:48:26 PM
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Very nice, and the Lexus version will be even nicer.


LyallLyall - 9/19/2007 1:21:42 PM
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001- would you make the effort to find out if the 3.0 Twin turbo 4 cyl Diesel will be offered with a 6 speed manual here in the US? Also if it will be California legal for emissions? I believe Hino (Toyota sister company) is also making a new 4.6L V6 turbo diesel (240bhp, 490 Lb-ft) and could this engine make it into the Land Cruiser? Probably wont make it into the LX Lexus version.
Anyway guys, if you've ever followed the high north Himalayan car rally (one of the worlds toughest), all you'll see are Land cruisers pulling out the wrecks from that insane terrain.


PorschinatorPorschinator - 9/19/2007 1:54:16 PM
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My opinion...Land Cruiser (wannabe Land Rover) is bigger and most likely better, but still F.U.G.L.Y.

Will compete with GM and Ford but both of those competitors look much better. Reliability is no longer an issue with any of the US SUV makers. Toyota will most likely have an edge over Ford with Fit and Finish.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 9/19/2007 3:58:51 PM
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the RR was made in 1970, and the LC was made in 1954.


SevorbeupstryIsBackSevorbeupstryIsBack - 9/23/2007 3:14:25 AM
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? The first Land Rover dates from 1948. Only the American GP (Jeep) is older. Toyota's first Landcruisers were nothing more than a cheap Jeep rip-off with a GM engine.


SevorbeupstryIsBackSevorbeupstryIsBack - 9/23/2007 3:16:27 AM
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A Toyota designer explained the origin of the Land Cruiser, "Growing up after the war, I was really impressed by the US Army personnel's Jeeps... and how they could climb up and over obstacles. We have many classic shrines with stairs leading up to them, and these cars simply climbed up those steps. I decided that one day I would make a similar kind of 'mobile', something more like an animal or insect than a car, which could do even better".

There you have the truth.


speedmasterspeedmaster - 9/19/2007 2:38:01 PM
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Based price of 63,000 and no xenon lights as standard isse?


M35MTM35MT - 9/20/2007 12:35:26 PM
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It's all part of the way the LC is marketed. Xenon's are flashy, attention getting status symbols (although they do serve a great purpose, and I love having them myself). The LC is for those who basically want a LX w/o being ostentacious.


r_driver04r_driver04 - 9/19/2007 2:56:22 PM
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Nice truck....but a tad pricey. But they do hold their value extremely well.


speedmasterspeedmaster - 9/19/2007 2:57:09 PM
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I am totally unimpressed. I am looking at the slide "18-09-20070909.08.43.jpg" from autospies in the post called "The Magic Recipe"

Here are the stats of the LC from TOYOTA. The Landcruiser doesn't compare to any Land Rover.

Toyota's spec from that slide
30 degree approach
20 degree departure
21 degree breakover angle
8.9 ground clearance?


Compared to


Range Rover
34 approach
26 breakover
39 departure
10.8 ground clearance


LR3

37.2 degrees, ramp breakover angle of 27.9 degrees and a maximum departure angle of 29.6 degrees.


Heck, even the Range Rover Sport has better offroad specs than the Land Cruiser.

I know I am going to get deboosted but what I just posted are facts. facts. facts. This is a mall cruiser.


truckmentruckmen - 9/19/2007 4:04:41 PM
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Speed master! I was deboosted for expressing my knowledge! I am with you 100% This toy is a princess! A great suv, maybe the best, but definatly not a serious 4x4. I couldn't imagine taking this off road! If this tried to follow any of my many 4x4s the L/C bumpers would be torn off due to poor aproach and departure angles.


M35MTM35MT - 9/20/2007 12:27:48 PM
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speedmaster -

I think we've had this discussion before. The LR3 is the ultimate mulit-passenger off roader. I would love to own one. If it had the LC's reliability and fuel econ in the 20 mpg range, it would be the ultimate vehicle! But know I'm just dreaming...


truckmentruckmen - 9/22/2007 3:16:28 AM
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M35mt I agree that the 4-runner is a great off road vehicle, I drove a 4-runner for 360,000.km. It was a 1993 with an old man umu articulation kit that gave it 15inches of rear wheel travel, unfortunatly the ifs was the 4-runners limiting component.Aside from being underpowered I know it would out wheel this new LC on almost anything that didn't require HP. My 1976 Bronco would run circles around them both! Although it would have to be repaired after! LOL


Rob5Rob5 - 9/19/2007 3:26:38 PM
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They always these pictures in Mammoth. On the topic of mammoths that car is.


530N52530N52 - 9/20/2007 8:45:00 AM
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That is not Mammoth.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/19/2007 5:29:19 PM
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I definitely prefer the old car's exterior, as with the LX570 vs. 470, but the interior looks NICER than the Lexus's. The LX570 just has that tacky, hideous center stack that they think looks expensive but doesn't. The LC's is more tasteful, refined, subdued.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 9/19/2007 6:20:42 PM
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thats what I was thinking...


Caddyman07Caddyman07 - 9/20/2007 3:30:59 PM
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I thought they shared the same interior???


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/20/2007 7:20:04 PM
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Nope. Look at them side-by-side: same door panels, but very different center consoles and dashboards.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 9/19/2007 10:17:41 PM
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That doesn't look like a very big SUV, but one of those pictures had a Dodge Ram next to it and it's the same size. I'm impressed with the new Land Cruiser.


SevorbeupstryIsBackSevorbeupstryIsBack - 9/20/2007 2:08:48 AM
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Jeezes **** it's ugly!

And the old Landcruiser 100 was better off-road!


530N52530N52 - 9/20/2007 8:46:41 AM
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Toyota should have copied another manufactures design, because they are not moving forward with this one.


answeranswer - 9/20/2007 11:16:26 AM
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I think this thing looks fine.

Toyota's biggest mistake here is to not offer a hybrid system. It would make it more expensive, but it isn't really cheap to start with.

At least they could have done some cylinder-deactivation or something.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/20/2007 7:21:34 PM
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Nope, neither of those would make much of an impact on the fuel economy at all. I'm not just saying this- on big trucks like the LC, diesel really makes the most sense. It would have a ton more range for road trips, getting 5-10mpg better. A hybrid might get 3mpg better.


speedmasterspeedmaster - 9/20/2007 9:26:27 PM
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Htay7500,

You are ill-informed. The Land Cruiser has always chased the Land Rover from day one.

You said "the RR was made in 1970, and the LC was made in 1954. "

So what, LR dates its lineage to 1940s. The RR is an evolution of the series LR as the FJZ80 is an evolution over the Fj60, FJ55, FJ40 Land Cruisers.

The RR is from 1970 but the LR dates to the 40s. In the 1970, RR introduced the 1st coil spring luxury, long wheel base. It wasn't until 1991 that LC attempted to match the RR in the FJZ80.

The LCs from 1954 to 1980s are short wheel based that compares to Jeep wranglers and Land Rover Series/Defender. They were never luxury cruisers.

So your statement is ill-informed. The modern Land Cruiser has no resemblance to the legendary FJ of yore. I know, I own a 1971 Land Cruiser FJ40.

Since 1991, Land Cruisers have always held the second spot to Range Rover. They're more in line with the Discovery series.



Htay7500Htay7500 - 9/21/2007 8:57:53 AM
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did I ever bag on LRs? no. I'm familiar of its history. but for me, RRs are too flashy, I wouldn't mind an LR3 if it had the reliability of a LC. so the LC or 4runner fit me.


truckmentruckmen - 9/24/2007 2:36:46 PM
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The problem with Range Rover is reliability problems worse than Toyota x 10! My friend had a Defender that we all loved until he had to spend $10,000. to fix the trany! OUCH! RR has always had a better solid axle set up, just a lot of electrical problems and a hand full of others.For you readers that can afford $10,000. for a tranny disregard anything negative I said about RR.As Speed master has pointed out in the blog above RR outperforms the L/C off road hands down! I am not a fan of the current RR with IFS! I like the solid axle versions better for off roading!


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 9/22/2007 2:52:25 PM
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Gotta love the Old Faithful Inn, has a great bar too.


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