Based on looks ALONE, who wins this beauty contest and why?

Yesterday, we kicked off a heated discussion trying to see who the consensus saw as the winner, in the most prestigious image segment in cars today.

And as usual, not only was it an emotional subject but the dialogue was full of wisdom from the most saavy audience of influencers, on the internet and in print.

Here are are a couple of sample quotes I liked:

"I still think it's too early to tell. I think what the point of this thread was to see if you think the Japanese car can throw down with the big German dogs. Once the car comes out, then I think we'll know" adamsaf723

"I've driven BOTH the RS4 (in ALL forms: cabrio, avant and sedan) and the M3 (coupe) and I thought the M3 was the best. But it's very close. The RS4 has better steering. That's it. M3 has an even better engine, an even better throttle response and a better brake feel. The gearbox in the M3 is more precise but the RS4 has shorter, more sportier throws..." SevorbeupstryIsBack

"BMWs are usually the easiest to drive hard. The Audi a close second. The C63 I expect to be fast and clumsy like most AMG's. While I admire Lexus for trying the IS-F better drive alot better than it looks(too boy racer for me)" lyonboy

"Perhaps there is no more bitter combat currently than between BMW and Lexus; it reminds me of Ford and Chevy years ago. These two luxury brands are so different in the execution of the car, one performance and Luxury and the other pure luxury. To hear comments about Lexus burying BMW of vice versa is just nonsense. Since Lexus was introduced both brands have exploded in sells, from different buying demographics. Lexus has done a remarkable job devouring the U.S. luxury market left wide open buy poor products from Cadillac and Mercury, just look at the history of their sells numbers." theoptimisticpessimist

If you haven't read the comments and choices, it's definitely a great read...

Full article here

But today, I want to focus TOTALLY on design.

If your choice was based on looks ALONE, which one of these cars wins the beauty pageant?

Be sure to pick a 'best looking exterior' choice and a 'best looking interior' choice.

And explain WHY they are better, not just...I like the look.

And rank the others in order of your preference.

And if YOU were in charge of their designs, what would you change/improve/delete?

Finally, I'll chime in a little later in the discussion with my pick so see if you can guess what my choice will be as well...should be interesting to see how well you all know 001's taste...

STJ88 - 10/7/2007 12:30:12 PM

-16 Boost

On look i got to go with the IS-F.

Agent001 - 10/7/2007 12:34:32 PM

+5 Boost

But where do the others rank and WHY is the design of the IS-F best for you?

Don't be lazy, explain why.

001

EnnNorak - 10/8/2007 9:24:09 AM

+2 Boost

Tradeoffs make me undecided. The Cadillac CTS (not mentioned) and Mercedes C-class look best but the C is to small and has excessively firm seats and ride. The CTS has the most room for the driver and front passsenger. Audi's Quattro with the Torsen center differential is the best AWD system. Audi and Lexus IS have the most comfortable front seats. The 300 h.p. direct injection CTS engine has the most power. LSD is available only on the IS and CTS but the CTS is the only one to offer LSD in combination with AWD. The CTS appears to offer the best bang for the buck.

EnnNorak - 10/8/2007 9:27:59 AM

+1 Boost

I just noticed that the comaprison was between hot versions of these cars so my engine power statement above is incorrect. I was comparing all the more ordinary versions of these cars which I drove recently.

EvoAudi - 10/7/2007 12:40:09 PM

+5 Boost

On looks ALONE, my list goes like this

1-Mercedes-Benz C63 a perfect balance of aggressive and simple design. Uses just enough boy racer grills, intakes, exhaust outlets, and spoilers etc, without going over the edge.

2-BMW M3 Sedan uses the front of the coupe which removes most of the econobox styling but still has the taillights from the regular 3-series which makes this #2. other than the taillights the sedan looks just as amazing as the coupe.

3-Audi RS4 has a bigger "Race Car" Look/Feel than the other 3 cars but is just not boy racer/showy enough to be popular with the type of people who buy these cars.

4-Lexus IS-Fugly, uses a huge bump in the hood showing the V8 which pretty much says-I'm not manly so i use a V8 to make up for it- Goes over the fine line between cool boy racer and Rice, La Fonda's Honda etc.

Fan1234 - 10/7/2007 1:02:30 PM

+3 Boost

Um, when a non-german manufacturer puts a hood bump or vents on the front panel or stacked pipes it's considered "racerish and uncool", Do you realize how silly the vents on the hood of the bmw look? And guess what bmw has a hood bump too! DING DING DING!!! I am almost guarantee if "L" was changed to a "bmw" emblem, everyone would be raving this car. You guys are german fanboys who are badge lovers. The IS is an excellent car and their design does scream sports car like it should. If you want something quiet and not sporty, get a C-Class, but dont say that the IS doesn't look good -- cause it's crap.

zorbeeze - 10/7/2007 1:08:16 PM

-1 Boost

they all use V8's, what the heck is your point?

EvoAudi - 10/7/2007 2:10:00 PM

0 Boost

my point is that it isn't a small bump, if it was smaller and not as ugly it would be #3.

henbmw - 10/7/2007 6:41:57 PM

+2 Boost

I'm not defending evo's views but you sound like a fanboy yourself when you make accusations whenever someone doesn't like the Lexus. Maybe it is overdone, maybe the giant intake in front of the door belongs on a Dodge srt-10 Viper rather than a Lexus sports sedan. The IS-F has the right ingredients, they just didn't 'cook' it right.

I95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 10/7/2007 12:49:31 PM

+2 Boost

On looks alone, ill have to go with the RS4.

I feel is has the most composed look out of all 4, it does not SCREAM for attention, yet one look at it will tell you it is not a regular A4.

Now i am yet to see the other 3 on the road but even on the Comp Screen the RS4 is the best design for me.

The next would have to be the C63 as it sports the next "Least Attention Seeking Bodykit" { On paper at least }

Third would be the IS-F. Now let me be clear on this, i absolutely despise that silly vent on the Front fender behind the Front Wheels but it still has fewer bumbs and lumps and vents when placed next to the M3 and i really like the look and proportions of the IS series Lexus.

I guess Last Place would be the M3, just because i "Do Not Like" fussy lines and overcomplicated designs. I always liked the M series because they were somewhat discreet compared to their MB counterparts but this vehicle is so overdone it reminds me of the Incredible hulk morphing and bursting through his "now undersized" shirt.

no1listensanyway - 10/7/2007 12:53:26 PM

+6 Boost

1. C63 - there is just something about that AMG package. They always make the car look sporty yet classy.

2. M3- you really can't go wrong with the bimmer, it looks great from all angles, especially the back.

3. A4 - I always had a problem with the A4 because I felt it was very feminine. The RS styling helps a little bit, but the A5 is now the prize for Audi.

4. ISf - The regular IS looks great, I dont know why Lexus took the approach they did. They took a perfectly good looking car and put on all sorts of things that a teenager would do in thier garage. The car is lowered way too much, and sorry guys those exhausts are just cheesy. Performance could be another story.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 3:11:55 PM

+3 Boost

Why did you just call it "A4?" That pisses me off a bit...

Hyundai - 10/7/2007 3:55:51 PM

+3 Boost

It is almost like you went out of your way to call it an "A4". Audi's are in fact the most masculine brand of BMW, MB, Lexus, and Audi.

GTR35 - 10/10/2007 12:19:00 PM

+1 Boost

You missed one, look at my list it's almost identical:

1. MB C63 (Perferct balance of sportiness and classiness)
2. BMW M3 (Looks simple but its a beemer)
3. VW RS4 (Did I mention that I HATE audis)
4. Pontiac Aztec
5. Toyota IS-FFUgly (That S*iT is Ugly)

Auto_expert - 10/7/2007 12:54:43 PM

-3 Boost

Can you guess which one doesn't belong? I can.

Hyundai - 10/7/2007 3:56:23 PM

+6 Boost

You?

Audi4Life - 10/7/2007 12:59:16 PM

+1 Boost

on looks alone:

1) rs4 - i think the exterior is well balanced with a nice front and back and nothing that can dissapoint your eye aswell as the interior which i'd say is just perfect, with not too many gadgets making it nice and simple

2) M3 i think its just as good as the rs4 but theres something in the bmw design that i do not like

3) IS-F i dont like their automatic gearbox with all the zig zaggy transmission selector, then i dont like those tailpipes... i know most can say so what you can always change them but still i look at the production version

4) somehow personally i felt dissapointed with the mercedes c class, i expected more from design and interior

henbmw - 10/7/2007 6:44:01 PM

+1 Boost

Maybe the part of the BMW design you don't like is that it isn't an Audi

Fan1234 - 10/7/2007 1:05:09 PM

+1 Boost

1. rs4 - best exterior front/back/profile, all around great interior, great wheels, you really can't make this car any much better looking.
2. IS-F - again, all around great, a little overdone, interior is best of the group, and a little different but good
3. C63 - great front, average back, interior is a little disappointing, expected more from MB.
4. M3 - disappointed on EVERY angle, there isn't ONE angle this sedan looks good in. Just hideous, non-flowing lines and what not. Very non-bmw like. A complete failure.

zorbeeze - 10/7/2007 1:06:01 PM

-1 Boost

On looks alone:
1- C63, has classic lines yet at the same time portrays a verry aggressive look
2- RS4, classic lines as well but looks a bit bland in certain angles
3- IS-F, imo the most controversial of the 4, but a bit too ricey when compared to the Audi and Benz
4- M3, I hated the looks of the new M3 from the minute it came out and after seeing it in person my opinion has not changed, it looks a bit deformed

M53R - 10/7/2007 1:06:38 PM

+6 Boost

Heres my list for the exterior:

1.BMW M3

The headlights imo look very agressive alone without the rest of the kit, which give the car 'powerful' look. Something to be feared. The front kit looks good and unlike the M5/M6's 'smile' this looks 'angry' so the front is the best by far. As for the rear, the kit is very nice but the taillights need a slight change. Mirrors and side are best in business, along with the rims.

2.MB C63 AMG

Typical AMG styling, it just screams "I'm fast!". I like the understated looking headlights, with the huge air intakes which change the understated look to an agressive looking beast. The rear lights look ok, with the huge typical AMG exhausts making it stand out from the normal C. The wheel arches also give the car a boy racer look which is all good. Rims are ok, I prefer more spoked rims, and I dont like the mirrors.

3.Audi RS4

Looks for understated for this segment, which isnt a bad thing, but it keeps it away from the number 1 spot. The front kit and headlights look very simple with a lack of curves that make the M3 and C63 look more agressive. The taillights dont look good enough for me, but the rear kit looks very nice, but 2 more exhausts wouldnt hurt :). The side doesnt look that much different from the normal A4, but the rims are very nice.

4.Lexus IS-F

The only car in the bunch that has good looking headlights and taillights, but the bodykit totally spoils it. The front kit looks very tacky, looks almost like its gonna fall off. You can notice this from a side picture. The side skirt doesnt look good, and the rear kit looks like an extended version of the IS350, but with stacked exhausts that look weird.

EvoAudi - 10/7/2007 2:54:45 PM

+1 Boost

The signature on Audi RS cars is 2 oval outlets, the regular S cars get 2 by 2

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 3:13:09 PM

+2 Boost

The RS4's exhausts are huge- there's no need for quads.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/8/2007 2:00:28 PM

0 Boost

The first thing I would do if I bought an RS4 is change the exhaust. It's too quiet. Eisenmann, MTM, Sportec, ... they all sound so much better!

On an M3 I would install the latest version of Racing Dynamics. I haven't heard it yet but people say the V8 sound is fully unleashed. Just like an M5 with Kriessieg exhaust.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 11:20:43 PM

+1 Boost

Have you ever pressed the RS4's "S" button? It solves any exhaust quibbles.

A writer for TTAC summed up "S" mode well: "Forget violence. You are now driving war."

germeezy2 - 10/7/2007 1:27:14 PM

+5 Boost

IMO the C63 is # 1 but that awaits to be determined because the pics of the new S-line A4 show that the next gen A4 on the MDS chassis could be very close.
The M3 is agressive in the front but looks contrived a little bit from behind. And no jokes aside the IS is a car I would have a hard time meeting a client or business partner in. Its flat embarassing and the IS350 is much better looking.

DaHarder - 10/7/2007 1:28:58 PM

+4 Boost

1. The M3 simply looks too small/compact (almost compressed) when viewed in profile, and those very Asian looking taillights really have no place on a German vehicle.

2. The C-Class appears to have been a serious victim of the new pedestrian safety laws in Europe, because the front end literally looks like a block of metal, devoid of any sleekness what-so-ever. I also find much of the detaling to b e way overdone, as it looks like every model comes standard with a 'bling package'.

3. The IS-F has a truly gorgeous profile, but is cursed with one of the most immature body kits ever placed one a premium vehicle... and those exhaust tips... YIKES!

4. The Audi is easily the best looking of this crowd, with clean (if somewhat dated, though soon to be upgraded look), and a timeless/classic appeal.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/8/2007 2:01:53 PM

+1 Boost

"very Asian looking taillights really have no place on a German vehicle."

I agree with you, but take those lights in Blackline or Clearline (I like Blackline the most) combined with ANY colour and it transforms the car!

XYZZ - 10/9/2007 3:49:28 AM

+1 Boost

"...those very Asian looking taillights really have no place on a German vehicle."

so now the unbridled PREJUDICES come out! LOL!

get used to it guys. the "traditional" euro taillights have gotten old and dated. asia brings some FRESH NEW designs.

and, the germys are also copying asian headlight cues.

there was "high art" in asia CENTURIES europeans got beyond scrawls, cave drawings, icon art, etc. and asians long knew that eyes make the biggest impact.

headlights are the "eyes" of auto design. asians lead in this design area. for now.

Bmw8ter - 10/7/2007 1:29:34 PM

+3 Boost

The new Mercedes C class, IMO, is has the best design of the 4. The prominent wheel arches in the front make it stand out from the others. The dealer where I live, sells Audi, BMW, and Mercedes all on the same lot; and honestly, the former 2 just don't compare to the Merc. I can't say much of anything about the IS-F at this point.

My wife used to drool over the new BMW 3 Series coupe design, but after seeing the new Mercedes C Class, she has a new favorite German. The interior looks so much nicer too; I can't say I'm a big fan of how the navigation screen is hidden behind that cheap looking cover, though.

Now, I haven't test driven the new Mercedes C class, or any Mercedes, for that matter, in a while. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did I see the same silly autoshifter that the Dodges and Jeeps use? That you have to move left and right? I test drove a Hemi Jeep with that shifter, and I thought it was the most ridiculous autoshifter I had ever used.

deepwater - 10/7/2007 2:50:43 PM

+3 Boost

1. RS4: The big wheels and the big brakes predict good brake performance and good handling. The "small letters of "RS" predicts a safety 4WD with perfect traction. Let us see the next RS4.
2. C63: AMG tells everything about the speed. Good luxury execution about sport sedans.
3. M3: It should be more exciting, but nice. Interior is not enough, the manual transmission is poor. Paddle shifts?
4. IS-F: Lexus shall learn much more about the sporty design. The inlets aren't enough sporty, wheel arches must be sharper, he wheel design cannot be so standard.
The exhaust pipes are terrible. The tail and rear bumper come from a Japanese comics. Classical sporty appearence would be "more".

enthusiastx11 - 10/7/2007 3:07:16 PM

+4 Boost

1. M3. cohesive, aggressive design. instantly recognizable.

2. C63AMG. elegant with a devilish side.

3. RS. nice but a little boring

4. IS-F. lacking in integrity. weirdly stretched front end. 10ft tall rear. looks aftermarket.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 3:22:31 PM

-3 Boost

Exteriors:

1. RS4 / C63 AMG tie -

I think that, next to the urQuattro and R8, the RS4 is the coolest car Audi has ever produced. There's something about RS vehicles that I just find much more interesting than M or AMG. It looks incredible in dark colors, or light colors, or any color, and the bodykit keeps the B7 design from looking dated.

The C63 AMG is a great design- it's a little dumpy in the rear, but the front end more than makes up for it. This new Benz will look fantastic in black.

3. BMW M3 -

I find the coupe slightly bland. However, I love the sedan. Just about as good as the C63 and RS4, although not quite, because the hood bulge and taillamps take away from it.

4. Lexus IS-F -

I haven't seen it in person, so I can't be sure, but I absolutely hate that hood. They may as well completely redesign the car so it looks proportionate.

Interiors:

1. Lexus IS-F -

It's very similar to the treatment to what the Germans do, what with the small badging everywhere, the sporty seats, etc. I gave it the nod over the RS4 because the new A4's interior makes the RS4's look old. IS-F isn't especially sporty on the inside, but it'll do.

2. Audi RS4 -

It may not look amazing on the inside, but being the oldest in this bunch, it's still the best-built and has the most expensive materials. That's very impressive. It certainly makes you feel special when you sit in it.

3. BMW M3 -

It's not a massive improvement over the 3 Series interior, but I love the carbon fiber weave on the dash. Unlike some others, it isn't processed and glossy- it has a similar texture to leather trim. Very classy, very unique.

4. Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG -

I don't care how well it's built. The center console just looks cheap. That's it. I expected much more from the makers of the stunning S-Class interior.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 3:25:31 PM

-3 Boost

I screwed up my first sentence for the IS-F interior. It should be:

"It's very similar to the treatment that the Germans do..."

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 3:50:05 PM

-4 Boost

I don't think de-boosting should be allowed in this article. It's purely opinionated. Unless someone says something incredibly stupid, only boosting up should be available.

Rupert - 10/7/2007 5:22:37 PM

+6 Boost

That's because you talk crap.

S4 - the "carbon fibre" in the M3 is actually woven leather. It's not carbon fibre at all, which is why it has a woven appearance. Same deal on the Z4 M.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 9:53:49 PM

+2 Boost

Oh, good to know. Somehow I had gotten the notion that it was woven carbon. It's still very interesting, though.

henbmw - 10/7/2007 3:44:34 PM

+7 Boost

Probably the worst reasoning I have ever seen for making a comparison list.

You have to be 6 years old to think "It has LED Headlights" is the main reason why the RS4 the next gen RS4 will be so good.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 3:49:06 PM

+4 Boost

The B8 RS4 will not be out before the IS-F, houston. I'd be surprised if it even came out as a prototype by the end of 2008.

henbmw - 10/7/2007 3:51:28 PM

+3 Boost

Oops, my bad. I thought this was the last comparison of these 4. It is based on looks...

AgentOrange - 10/7/2007 3:34:19 PM

+2 Boost

Based on looks alone:
The M3 - because it LOOKS like it could kick everyone elses ass.

Will_ - 10/7/2007 3:49:21 PM

+1 Boost

1. Audi S4: cleanest and most cohesive design with well-integrated performance add-ons.
2. Lexus IS-F: the complete opposite, but I still think it's a good thing. For one, there will be no mistaking a regular IS350 for an IS-F, which many reviewers find problematic with other brands.
3. BMW M3: dramatic change on the front-end is a plus, too bad about the rear being left the same.
4. Mercedes C63 AMG: most aggressive front-end. Not a bad-looking car, but someone had to be last...

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 4:01:35 PM

+1 Boost

Did you say "S4" on purpose?

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 4:02:45 PM

+1 Boost

I know I sound like a broken record- but in case you haven't seen one, the RS4 looks super-hot in person... this picture doesn't do it justice.

henbmw - 10/7/2007 6:11:03 PM

+1 Boost

Very true, its hard to to gawk at a RS4 when it drives by.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 4:05:32 PM

+1 Boost

That's a pretty bland shot of the RS4. I think you should've used this one instead:

http://blog.vehiclevoice.com/Audi%20RS4%20Ritz%20Blog.JPG

JUGNU - 10/7/2007 5:25:29 PM

+1 Boost

First of all s4cabriofox

don't be a lawyer of Audi EVERYWHERE. I know u like Audi but u r the only one who is just too much. So relax mate. Everybody has an opinion.
If i am no mistaken u placed Lexus IS-F last right?
but nobody questioned u (even we know it's not even out yet with it's official detailed gallery and u haven't seen it in person) because it's your opinion.

but as in the opposite case when others placed Audi last u have so many reasons and is all over to defend.

Therefore I mean don't be too much.

Now On topic:

Strictly on looks alone: Exterior

1) MB C63 AMG: It's the best combination of traditional/civilized and sporty design.And the greatest thing about it's design is that designers have not deviated from the main theme and kept the Signature AMG looks.

2 ) Lexus IS-F: Only lost the first place because of it's weird hood bulge which looks irritating from the side view. Rest is just clean and sexy lines with beautiful front and rear fascia.

3) Audi RS4: Well it's the oldest in the group and certainly showing it's age now. It just doesn't look fresh and doesn't have that appeal as of it's rivals but still nice and decent flowing design.

4) BMW M3: It’s something unpleasant. An overdone design. Front end looks nice very aggressive and muscular but just doesn’t go with the dull and hideous rear end. The little quad exhaust pipes just doesn't suit M3 sedan (but very much the coupe).

Interior :( Doesn’t need much explanation here)
1)Lexus IS-F: Beautiful detailed interior with nice lighting.
2)BMW M3:Whatever it is, I Like the look which is simple and very focused (Driver/performance oriented).
3)Audi RS4:Everything is nice but a bit old.
4)MB C63 AMG:Just plain ugly, bland and cheapish.

JUGNU

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 10:00:02 PM

+1 Boost

"don't be a lawyer of Audi EVERYWHERE. I know u like Audi but u r the only one who is just too much. So relax mate. Everybody has an opinion.
If i am no mistaken u placed Lexus IS-F last right?
but nobody questioned u (even we know it's not even out yet with it's official detailed gallery and u haven't seen it in person) because it's your opinion."

That's because I explicitly stated that in fact it was, yes, my opinion.

"but as in the opposite case when others placed Audi last u have so many reasons and is all over to defend.

Therefore I mean don't be too much."

I didn't once question somebody's opinion in this article. You can look through all my posts--I just did. The only thing I did that was even close to that was telling nicad that this is a bad picture of the RS4 (it is), and it looks amazing on the road.

What's the big deal? So I like it, and I don't like the way the IS-F looks. There is no point to you questioning my love for the RS4. If there was one sedan I could have, in the entire world, that would undoubtedly be it. But I'd still own any of these cars in a heartbeat- yes, even the IS-F. Who could say no to a 5.0L V8 with 417hp in a small sedan?

M53R - 10/8/2007 5:43:48 AM

+2 Boost

"But I'd still own any of these cars in a heartbeat- yes, even the IS-F. Who could say no to a 5.0L V8 with 417hp in a small sedan?"

Me, because Im happy with a 4.0L V8 with 414.. ;)

MeanVulcan - 10/7/2007 4:26:07 PM

-2 Boost

... another dumb post.

Which is the better looking?
...Audi!
no, BMW!
no,no,no,Lexus!
your stupid!
no, your mommy is!
I'm telling!!!

So much for content control and listening to end users!

SamFriedman - 10/7/2007 4:54:21 PM

+1 Boost

For me the rating goes:
1- BMW M3- This car is beautiful, as if the 335 was not sexy enough, now comes the M3 with the same sexiness, but with some muscle. When I see this car i feel like its going to eat me for lunch, its scary looking but in an amazing way.

2- Audi RS4- This car is so beautiful, the flared wheel arches really make this car stand out from its lil bro the S4. The oval exhausts look great and it sounds great. I just wish the American version came with those amazing Recaro seats that comes in the European version.

3. Mercedes c63- Not a huge fan of Mercedes, except for the E class, but this car is nice, I like the vents on the sides of the front bumper, they look great. THe exhaust looks a bit over done for me, and as far as driving, im sure its fast, but big deal, it takes no skill to drive a merc.

4. Lexus ISF- Screw this car... unless you like driving on the clouds, like most Lexus's make you feel. As far as looks, if it isnt in that electric blue or whatever you wouldnt be able to tell so easily that its an F, this is an ugly car, go get a toyota corolla, put a lexus symbol on it and write F!

Rupert - 10/7/2007 5:20:51 PM

0 Boost

Best Exterior - C63 AMG
Worst Exterior - IS-F
Best Interior - RS4.
Worst Interior - M3 (especially with the "carbon fibre" which is actually woven leather)

Rupert - 10/7/2007 5:24:20 PM

-1 Boost

For the money I would expect a little more bling in the C63, rather than the dull plastic. At least chrome ring the buttons...

r15mohd - 10/7/2007 5:21:35 PM

0 Boost

exterior...

1- its a tie between the IS-F and the C63 for me. the front end of the MB is just drop dead gorgeous, but as everyone else stated...the rear kills the design. the IS-F, i love the rear, exhausts as well...prefer "different" and thats what it delivers. however, i have been disappointed in the front bumper ever since it came out. and if i ever owned one, i would have to custom a front if none was available that looked appealing to me.

3-rs4...i have always had a thing for Audi's especially the a4-bodies. and ever since the inception of the big front grill, its looked like a mean beast

4-M3, the rear bumper isnt to appealing to me, and i have never liked the 4-door rear of the 3-series currently. on the front, the dent in the hood really upsets me more so than the IS-F. it pretty mcuh expresses the lack of work put into the design on the hood. all they had to do was make the hood free flowing.

as far as interiors...

1-is-f
2-rs4
3-m3
4-c63

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/7/2007 5:35:58 PM

+2 Boost

This is soo difficult!

The M3 sedan looks good up front but the back looks hideous.. the C63 has very nice typical AMG-styling. A Euro-spec RS4 looks fantastic but it is starting to look dated, especially with the new B8 A4. If there was an RS version of that car, it would get my vote.

Interiorwise the Audi looks best, but only after I put some nice Individual options in it. The same applies for the M3 and C63.

In the end, I'll probably end up with the C63 AMG. But not some model you see in the leaflet or on the internet. It will be MY C63 AMG fully equiped with all the AMG Manufaktur stuff. (such as full leather interior, carbon pieces everywhere,...etc)

Or maybe an M3 sedan? Pff I don't know anymore. An M3 sedan in Individual blue or black with blackline taillight should look pretty damn good!

Oh, I almost forgot about the IS-F. It screams wannabe and it lacks so much heritage and soul, something that is very important to Europeans.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/8/2007 2:09:37 PM

+1 Boost

"The M3 sedan looks good up front but the back looks hideous.."

No, I take that back.

In fact I think the back end look fantastic, but not on the press photos. The bland silver combined with those hideous taillights are possible the worst combination to put on photo. Especially when the front looks so fantastic.

In gray, white, ... doesn't really matter what colour.. the M3 sedan with blackline kit, some carbon fibre detailing (Hartge, ACS, .. are already working on kits) and a Racing Dynamics exhaust it takes the cake for me.

Voila

Schwitzle - 10/7/2007 6:25:58 PM

+5 Boost

The C63 wins on looks alone. When you buy a "specially tuned" edition, it should look a lot different than what the standard models look like. As soon as you see a C63 you know this is a special car and is different than any other C. It is a flashy car, no question, but screams power and will have at least 50 more horsepower than all the other cars we are talking about. The "6.3" symbol near the door lets you know right away and it looks great the wat they did it. The same goes for the RS4 which also looks very different than the S4 which is important. Now that the A4 can get an S-line package, the S4 and A4 (s-line) look very similiar and it is important that audi makes the RS4 different than booth. The front air dams and the air vents on each side really scream power. And when you see a V8 symbol it really makes you think how they cramed a V8 into that size of a car. While the IS-F and the BMW M3 may be great driving cars, on looks, they don't do that much for me at all. The M3, with the exception of the raise in the hood and the M trademark on the side, doesn't look any better than a loaded 335Ci. Now that Cadillac has the same type of trim on each side BMW should start to look for an updated design. We've also seen this on the M5 for the last 3 years so I am surprised they didn't come up with something new like they did for the M6 (which has a clean line and the M logo). The IS-F mufflers are great, but anyone can put a bigger front fascia on a regular IS and it would look very similiar.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 10:03:57 PM

-2 Boost

"When you buy a "specially tuned" edition, it should look a lot different than what the standard models look like."

You're telling me the C63 AMG looks a lot different from, say, a C300 or C350 Sport? A normal person just wouldn't be able to tell the difference unless they were both parked next to each other. Don't get me wrong, I love the new C's design--especially the front--but this AMG kit is very similar to all the other AMG cars that have come out.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/8/2007 11:04:41 AM

+1 Boost

That had nothing to do with the RS4.

All of these cars, except the IS-F, look similar to their standard versions. You can get the AMG kit, the S-Line kit and the M kit on each one of the Germans. I guess that guarantees the IS-F's distinction, but did it have to be THAT distinctive?

So, what I'm saying is, if you want to be seen and known for your car's performance, these are not for you.

BTW, the RS4 posts are truly what I think. I would have it over any of these. Why? Well, I'd take it over the M3 because that's too ubiquitous, and it can't get through the winter quite as well. I'd take it over the C63 AMG because the RS4 has a manual transmission and, once again, AWD. For IS-F, see C63. Except I'd also take the RS4 over the IS-F for looks.

henbmw - 10/7/2007 6:34:35 PM

+5 Boost

1. MB C63 AMG

Great design; follows progressive ideas found in the S-Class. Aggressive front-end accentuated by gaping intakes and brake ducts. Looks mean and powerful yet still elegant. Love the rear-end, despite some dissent, looks clean and modern.

2. tie between M3 and RS4

I really had trouble with this, each one has elements that are design genius yet the cars as whole are let down by minor (very minor) flaws. The Audi has a great flat rear-end that shortens the visual length of the car and gives it that powered-by-rocket look (the e46 M3 defined that look). The M3 front-end looks as if its asking you to race it; intimidating and mean. I will admit the M3 Coupe would take top honors for me, it is a near-perfect demonstration of flowing design with an edge. Both the RS4 and the M3 sedan are excellent designs that signify some of the best engineering Germany has to offer.

3. Lexus IS-F

I hate to jump on the bandwagon but the car is just overdone. The bumpers are too bulbous, the intakes too large, the exhaust is over-the-top. It really looks like this is Lexus' first time at this, and it just so happens it is. If they scale it down next time around, it may have a better chance against this stellar competition.

Agent001 - 10/7/2007 7:47:01 PM

+6 Boost

OK Boys, my turn to pick…

Exteriors:

1. C63 AMG

When they do it right, Mercedes sure knows how to bend metal. Aggressive, Classic, Timeless

Make mine white with a panoramic roof

2. BMW M3 -

Just a hair behind the C63…Rear taillights don’t do it for me…wish they looked like the coupes.

3. Lexus IS-F -

The most Italian (Alfa-like) looking of the bunch with just a few mistakes…side panels could have looked cooler.

4. Audi RS4 -

Too plain Jane for my taste…could drive right by you and you wouldn’t know the difference. You’d sure hear it though!

Interiors:

1. Lexus IS-F -

Looks the most expensive in real life.

2. C63 -

Really like what they did on the inside of the new C-Class although materials are cheap looking.

3. BMW M3 -

Best human interface of the bunch...loses a couple notches due to the fact it does not look that different in quality from the standard 3.

4. Audi RS4 -

Best ACTUAL material quality but it as boring as waiting in line at the DMV.

001

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 10:08:12 PM

0 Boost

I was very surprised by your "interiors" assessment... I'm not going to tell you to change your opinion, but let's just say I completely disagree. If you've ever sat in an RS4, you'd know what I was talking about. I can see why you'd rate the IS-F interior higher- but the other two, not really. As you said, the C interior is a letdown and the M3's doesn't feel very special unless you get the strange leather weave.

Agent001 - 10/7/2007 10:55:59 PM

+3 Boost

I've sat in an RS4 numerous times...boring

A6 interior is nicer...imho

001

S4cabriofoxone - 10/8/2007 11:10:17 AM

+2 Boost

No, it's not about the design. I know how it looks. It's seven years old. However, the interior upgrades are very good. I wish we got the Recaro seats here!

BTW, you guys can stop bashing the interior... because I have it in my car, too. LOL.

001, I love the A6's interior, but I hate the rest of the car. It's boring. I think it just represents a point in Audi's new, sporty focus where they forgot to add the sport. I'll take a 535xi.

Oddly, though, I love the S6/RS6. I was surprised at reading about how well the S6 handled- I thought it would be like... well, the old S6.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 12:26:16 AM

+1 Boost

"I've sat in an RS4 numerous times...boring

A6 interior is nicer...imho"

I forgot to say: it would be a shame if the A6's interior WASN'T nicer. That just wouldn't make sense. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

JET997 - 10/7/2007 8:16:57 PM

+2 Boost

#1. Exterior: C63 AMG. Tight, muscular, purposeful design. Great proportions.
#1. Interior: BMW M3. A little swoopy in the dash top, but probbably the best to use overall.

Everything else in this group has a lot of compromises in its design. E.g., The M3 sedan exterior is very busy, with bulges and busy wheels and weird tail lights that have never looked right since the E90 was introduced. The RS4 looks dated, inside and out.... although it's tightly constructed. The new A4 line can't get here soon enough.

As for the Lexus, no matter what model, to me they all look like imitations and reinterpretations of some German theme. I see any Lexus on the road and I think, "Toyota."

wac77 - 10/7/2007 9:42:17 PM

+2 Boost

1. M3 - understated and subtly aggressive. Very well done!

2. RS4 - also nicely understated, but a bit old.

3. C63 - nice AMG pieces on a boring C-class design.

4. IS-F - worst due to its grotesque hood and fenders.

c36amg - 10/7/2007 9:52:48 PM

+5 Boost

FIRST
c63 : grill - front bumper - side skirts - rear spoiler - amg rims - air fenders - great ground clearance - interior matches the profile & attitude of the car perfectly...

SECOND
Audi Rs4: performance - front grill & side skirts.

Third & Fourth : there is no third and fourth since the competition has only two numbers 1 & 2 so bmw & lexus do something else....

chewy - 10/7/2007 9:59:01 PM

+4 Boost

RS4
C63
IS-F
M3 (maybe i need more pics, but it looks awkward)

Fan1234 - 10/7/2007 10:32:18 PM

0 Boost

Exactly, the M3 looks awkward.

pchera01 - 10/7/2007 10:04:06 PM

+7 Boost

should start a poll insted of this crap

SixxFive - 10/7/2007 11:10:16 PM

+2 Boost

C63- great design, bold and right to the point without being obnoxious.
M3- great to see it back also as a 4 door. Consistant with M design language.
RS4- on a positive note, clean design. Otherwise, bland, bland, bland and I don't care for Audi's vision of sport = add 500 lbs. of chrome to the car.... even more than the non-"sport" version or A4!
IS-F- looks like it is trying much much too hard, overstyled and scooped/bulged to death. "F" logo looks like a glued on last minute decision drawn up up by the designers during their yoga session.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/8/2007 11:06:59 AM

0 Boost

"RS4- on a positive note, clean design. Otherwise, bland, bland, bland and I don't care for Audi's vision of sport = add 500 lbs. of chrome to the car.... even more than the non-"sport" version or A4!"

What are you talking about? The aluminum mirrors? LOL. There's not an ounce of chrome on these cars.

GermanNut - 10/7/2007 11:21:55 PM

+2 Boost

Just like I predicted, the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG is easily winning this contest.

When the tests get rolling, the C63 will easily defeat all competitors, M3 included.

Mercedes AMG, just like it always does, has one-upped BMW in the power sweepstakes with significantly more horsepower, hell of a lot more torque, and a bigger engine.

The straight-line competition is over before it has even started. The C63 will easily go right past all competitors. It has the lowest "official" 0-60 time by Mercedes and we all know exactly what the 6.3 liter V8 is capable of doing courtesy of the E63 and CLS 63 AMGs.

As far as the turns go, the C63 has the M3's number on this one most surprisingly.

The C63 is going to win all comparison tests, without a doubt.

amazinBimmer is WRONG, the RS4 shares no parts with the A4 except the side doors and mirrors, let alone any Volkswagen.

amazinBimmer told me he realizes the Audi RS4 has defeated the BMW M3 in two comparison tests. Whereas the BMW M3 has defeated the Audi in two comparison tests as well.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 12:24:39 AM

+1 Boost

"When the tests get rolling, the C63 will easily defeat all competitors, M3 included."

Really? The M3 and RS4 are both so talented. It's not going to be a runaway win for any of them- it will probably boil down to what the guys who test them think. Some will go for the M3's two-tiered personality (luxury car by day, sports car by night); others will prefer the RS4's more focused demeanor and the practicality of AWD; more still will be drawn to the C63's huge V8 and slinky bodykit.

EL34 - 10/7/2007 11:57:11 PM

-7 Boost

This is how I see it.

C63, M3 and RS4 all tie for first place.

Noob IS-F is in last place.

Best Interior.

1st. C63 - I love this intuitive interior.

2nd. M3 & RS4 tie.

IS-F dead last for it's interior.

My favorite is the Mercedes AMG C63.

Tonee - 10/8/2007 12:14:02 AM

0 Boost

1 - Audi RS4

2 - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

4 - BMW M3

5 - Lexus IS-F

TauronB2G - 10/8/2007 12:18:21 AM

+2 Boost

The Benz wins for me. The ISF looks like a souped up Corolla, The RS4 is a few years (waiting for the new one) and I am just not too fond of the current 3 series design. I think the Benz is freshest and on top of that it has the biggest engine.
T

lexusis350 - 10/8/2007 12:28:10 AM

0 Boost

It all depends on color. For some reason, these manufacturers have optional unflattering colors for their high performance sedans.

Bill - 10/8/2007 8:11:44 AM

+1 Boost

All of a sudden all these cars have a nice exterior? A few posts ago you were ranting on how the IS-F has a class leading design while the others look boring.

"Lexus has hands down the nicest interior though. that would be the deal breaker for me."

So you'd buy a PERFORMANCE CAR because it has a nice interior? Great!

The IS interior isn't even that nice. Once you leave the center console and move towards the doors, the words "cheap" and "uninspiring" come to mind...

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 12:22:02 AM

+2 Boost

"and performance will be equal. so to me the fact that Lexus has the best interior would turn me towards Lexus"

Not necessarily. The M3, RS4 and C63 AMG are pretty much in a dead heat. But the IS-F still needs to be tested... and you never know. It could be amazing, but there's also the possibility that Lexus really f***ked this one up.

As for the interiors: when it comes down to it, all of these cars are entry-luxury cars on the inside, so you won't be disappointed with any of them in terms of comfort.

C88C - 10/8/2007 4:29:49 AM

+1 Boost

The exterior comes down to personal taste or preferences. The Lexus has the most unbalanced look though, that hood is over-done but there are some details, like the exhaust, that look pretty cool.

However, performance wise, it will be very interesting. Probably between the BMW and the Audi. I think the Merc will be better than the previous model but probably won't handle as well as the other Germans.

The loser in that department will definitely be the Lexus, probably be the new "merc" in this category because it will have straight line speed and thats about it. Not a bad first attempt though.

Interior wise I think it's very close but the Audi interior is nothing special and the Loser, again, will be lexus. As with all their cars, the design is very ergonomical but, in particular the IS, still uses some cheap interior plastics that remind me of a toyota.

Can't wait for the road tests!