2007 Lexus LS 460 L - Long Term Update

Here in the third quarter, however, we've noticed the car showing its age, just a bit. "After getting out of a fresher example of the Lexus LS 460 L last weekend, I noticed that our door panels creak every time you start accelerating and brake," noted one staffer. "I guess 13,000 miles will do that to you, but you would figure that this Lexus flagship would stay tighter longer."

Our news editor didn't get much help from the cruise control: "I gave the active cruise control a workout, and I still would take Mercedes-Benz's Distronic Plus over this system," he said. "The Mercedes system slows down to 0, while the Lexus quits at speeds below 20 mph. Just when you're closing in on the car in front and slowing down, the system gives up and leaves it up to you to quickly mash the brakes to bring the car to a halt. As a result, I find the M-B system more inherently 'trustable,' because I can count on it all the way down to a stop, unless the stop is very severe. The M-B is the future-the Lexus isn't quite there yet."

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 10/26/2007 7:48:35 PM
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so what does all this have to do with the fact that this long-term LS has some quality control issues?


SevorbeupstryIsBackSevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/27/2007 5:36:57 AM
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bla bla bla bla




EL34EL34 - 10/26/2007 12:51:23 PM
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The LS460 is really just an overgrown Camry and the Camry is an overgrown Corolla.

:(


EL34EL34 - 10/26/2007 1:25:00 PM
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houstoncutie2000, out here in SoCal the S-Class outnumbers the LSCamry 10 to 1 :)

That's life!


EL34EL34 - 10/26/2007 4:30:12 PM
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It's time you guys face it, Lexus makes crap!


chris760chris760 - 10/26/2007 7:06:50 PM
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up in the bay area there are too many mercedes bmw's and lexus to count!


henbmwhenbmw - 10/27/2007 1:08:58 PM
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It helps if you knew how to count


Will_Will_ - 10/26/2007 12:52:31 PM
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I wouldn't trust the S550 to slow all the way down to a stop. That seems like a trivial thing to argue when the exact same "technology for lazy drivers" argument is used to call the self-parking feature useless. Self-parking is just as easily both "useless" yet "the future" as Distronic.


Will_Will_ - 10/26/2007 1:08:24 PM
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And why does he feel compelled to post the same thing two and three times in a row, as if that increases the chances of someone actually reading his comments?


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 10/26/2007 5:37:39 PM
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43:

don't you feel the same about xero's voluminous anti-german comments?


EL34EL34 - 10/26/2007 8:36:34 PM
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enthusiastx11, either 43LE is with his cricket friends or he's been booked into jail again.

In other words, youre not gunna get an answer.


Will_Will_ - 10/26/2007 1:11:07 PM
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I will say that the issue of the door panels creaking should be looked into and addressed. VERY uncommon/unheard of in a Lexus, especially the LS. If that happens to my car, I know I will raise an eyebrow with the Lexus service department.


r15mohdr15mohd - 10/26/2007 2:04:31 PM
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things i hate about these reviews is if they had dealer services concerning the issues to rectify the problem. they usually never state, this case for example.

if this was a concern for the driver, did they take the time to go to the dealer and have the issue addressed. we kno Lexus offers superb service and i don't see an issue in either fixing the prblem or replacing the door panel to satisfy the customer.

every vehicle on the road today has little bugs that makes the "machine" not 100%, but thats the reason the vehicles come with warranties, for minor situations like this.

as far as the cruise...i am a skeptic about cruise controls. i personally dont like it as it makes the driver less aware. so for that reason, i find the article useless in this aspect.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 10/26/2007 2:15:26 PM
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How stupid are you? (everytime i think i know, you surprise me by saying something even more stupid)

You think they made that up? Lexus is not perfect, deal with it.

Stick with Lexus. A brain-donor like you wouldn't appreciate and doesn't deserve the pleasure of driving a Mercedes-Benz.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 10/26/2007 4:38:00 PM
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Spotty reliability and rude, indifferent customer service. And yet people continue to buy Mercedes-Benz. They must make excellent cars. Lexus relies almost solely on their reputation for reliability and customer service - the cars themselves are almost an afterthought.

Lexus is like a fat ugly broad with a great personality. Benz is like the high-maintenence supermodel with the bad attitude. I know which one i want. Mercedes-Benz is automotive arrogance at it's very finest.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 10/26/2007 7:52:31 PM
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houston:

you've never owned a mercedes (and i doubt you know many people who do). so how would you know why people buy them?

here are a few reasons: many of them are great looking cars, they have incredible engines available, they have leading safety innovations since the 1950s (airbags, ABS, ESC, crumple zones, etc), they offer incredible blends of luxury and performance. these are the reasons people buy mercedes.


EL34EL34 - 10/26/2007 1:26:11 PM
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MidEngine, outstanding review of the rusty old Lexus LS460 ;)


M35MTM35MT - 10/26/2007 1:34:46 PM
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Douchebag Midengine posts selective quotes against the LS, Xero does the same against the S and gets deboosted.

As far as I'm concerned, both these cars are junk if the're creaking. My 1994 Infiniti G20 at ten years of age was solid as a rock. Oh wait, maybe I shouldnt have told you what kind of car it was, because now you know its Japanese.

Midengine and EL34, grow up and get a life. Your anti-competative sentiments mirrors that of Communism. Based on your biased stance, coincidence? I think not...


r15mohdr15mohd - 10/26/2007 2:08:13 PM
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94 G20...nice choice

i own a 95 G20t myself....very fun driving vehicle and like you said solid as a rock!!! my daily commuter, cant beat 27mpg + driving.


M35MTM35MT - 10/26/2007 2:34:29 PM
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What name is that? Are you really that bitter that free market capitalism is the only true path to prosperity and now that MB has competition you want to deny the threat? You can bitch and moan all you. The Government cant and wont intervene, Lexus will continue to make cars whether you like it or not.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 10/26/2007 2:27:58 PM
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My LS hasn't had any problems and I've had it for close to a year now.


autoproautopro - 10/26/2007 2:28:45 PM
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I think EL and Joe who wrote this POS article have been packing fudge together.


EL34EL34 - 10/26/2007 3:38:39 PM
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It takes one to know one.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 10/26/2007 7:55:26 PM
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houston:

this is all great...if reliability is the primary criteria you use when buy a car.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 10/27/2007 2:11:06 PM
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furthermore houston, your comparisons are apples to oranges.

apples to apples would require first comparing cars that provide EQUIVALENT performance, technology, comfort, etc---and once those variables are equalized---choosing the more reliable. giving up all of these things for a little more reliability is a bad value from my perspective.


XYZZXYZZ - 11/2/2007 4:56:20 AM
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EHartmann:

"A Trabant is more reliable than a Lexus LS."

really? please quote a source.

if that is actually true (doubtful), than the Trabant is ALSO MORE RELIABLE than audi, bmw, mb.




EL34EL34 - 10/26/2007 8:38:45 PM
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Last time I read Consumer Reports they said ToyLex is plagued with more problems than you can shake a stick at :)


flozel1flozel1 - 10/27/2007 12:14:46 AM
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I bet this this EL34 aka Willy Loman is one balding ugly fellow with a BO problem.


SixxFiveSixxFive - 10/26/2007 11:05:14 PM
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Too bad to read about the lack of solidity and build quality after 13,000 miles in the Autoweek long-term test. Automobile just featured an article of a long term test of the LS as well and they were also disappointed that the car requires a trip to the dealer for service every 5,000 miles as part of the scheduled maint.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/26/2007 11:53:35 PM
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If the LS460 was available with AWD (NOT the LS600hL), I would force my wife to test drive it and I would know she'd be impressed. But the imperative is slightly lost with a RWD car... I love the 460 but I would be happier with her in something with AWD.


flozel1flozel1 - 10/27/2007 12:12:07 AM
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Autospies should not allow loser fanboys like this moron to post biased articles. Everybody knows what this stupid idiot's preferences lie. Of course there's always something negative one can dig up about a certain manufacturer. Heck, I can find twice as many negative articles about quality issues of crappy inferior manufacturers such as MB/BMW. Should I be allowed to post these on autoblogs as well?


cdokecdoke - 10/27/2007 8:40:41 PM
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This is one of those conversations that just makes me shake my head. There are several engineers on here who no doubt could talk intelligently on everything mathematical from Bessel functions and Eigenvectors to Fourier and Laplace transforms.


cdokecdoke - 10/27/2007 9:03:03 PM
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My take on your first source is that it is ALWAYS completely necessary to understand both the origin, entire derivation and assumptions of all equations the engineer uses. Otherwise, the equations are often applied incorrectly- it happens often.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/27/2007 12:29:56 PM
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That's strange, because in my area, Lexus service is the best, Acura is next, Audi is somewhere in the middle, and at two dealers that are fairly close to each other, BMW and Mercedes-Benz are the worst. There are, however, a BMW and a Mercedes dealer (both in the same chain) farther away that have better service.


flozel1flozel1 - 10/27/2007 12:46:50 PM
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"And that's probably the reason that they only sell well in North America"

What the fcuk are you talking about. They have been increasing sales in Europe every freaking year. Europe Lexus has a waiting list of people wanting to buy the 600h. You bitch about numbers and the lack thereof, well they have to make available those numbers first before people can buy them, and right now Lexus' goal is to sell small amounts in Europe. This actually makes them more exclusive than any other inferior German make.


BillBill - 10/27/2007 1:25:17 PM
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Give me a break Mr. Flozel,

Lexus is hardly exclusive in Europe. Exclusive in Europe is also associated with heritage and achievements, none of which Lexus can claim they have in comparison to the European brands. Let's not forget that Toyota's massive cash reserves were responsible in the first place for getting Lexus where they are today. I wouldn't be surprised if Lexus sold cars at a loss early in their history simply to gain market share. Toyota could afford to do that anyway given their financial wealth.


BillBill - 10/27/2007 7:52:44 AM
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A thread about the Lexus LS and basically 99% of comments are people saying "My car is better than your car."

This is pathetic.


XYZZXYZZ - 10/28/2007 4:16:12 AM
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yes, that does tend to be the type of posts posted by the EURO fanbois! LOL!

why do they even bother commenting on these lexus threads, if not out of some kind of inferiority complex?




XYZZXYZZ - 11/2/2007 4:43:24 AM
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the mass delusional beliefs which seem endemic amongst eurofans?

these days, even DETROIT puts together more reliable cars. to say nothing of toyota. to say nothing of lexus.

if the euro brands did not have their "heritage" and the illusury PERCEIVED images of quality, where would they be?




StarStar - 10/27/2007 10:53:07 AM
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Let me see... Lexus cars falling apart after a short period of time...is that really news?
It is common knowledge in the car enthusiast world that Japanese cars are falling apart after 1-2 years of use, that is one of reasons for which they are not so successful in Europe, of course coupled with the lack of class and the flat, boring driving experience. The Lexus fanatics on this site will never be able to change the cruel reality however hard they try. My advice... put your mind at peace and except the facts...German cars are simply BETTER.


BillBill - 10/27/2007 1:23:03 PM
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Lexus has surpassed the Germans in technology? You mean the technology the Germans invented and Lexus simply copied and perfected, then claimed they "invented"? You're full of it, Flozel.

"The Mercedes system slows down to 0, while the Lexus quits at speeds below 20 mph. Just when you're closing in on the car in front and slowing down, the system gives up and leaves it up to you to quickly mash the brakes to bring the car to a halt. As a result, I find the M-B system more inherently 'trustable,' because I can count on it all the way down to a stop, unless the stop is very severe. The M-B is the future-the Lexus isn't quite there yet."

Yep, they sure "surpassed" the Germans here...


XYZZXYZZ - 10/28/2007 8:24:33 AM
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AnusStar: "...Lexus cars falling apart after a short period of time..."


LOL! sure, they fall apart so QUICKLY that a 1998 lexus LS is still more reliable than a 2006 benz ML500!

even Yaris and Corollas are more reliable than ANY mb!

try again, a-s. s.




Htay7500Htay7500 - 10/27/2007 10:16:04 PM
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oh shi.....


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/28/2007 10:59:18 PM
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A friend of mine came over for dinner tonight, and he had traded in his A8L for an LS460 SWB last year. The car he had wanted was a demo S550 AMG, but complications with the dealer and the warranty brought him back to Lexus (he had an LS400 before the A8L). Now, he says the LS460 bores him and he would like to get out of the lease... that if his A8L had the reliability of the Lexus (his A8 was an '04, first year, lemon-lawed), he would definitely buy it again. He misses the car's performance and design.


PorschinatorPorschinator - 10/29/2007 4:04:38 PM
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Interesting a fanboy bashing contest on here...wow.
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