Toyota wants to topple Audi's R10 with new hybrid race car

Good Luck! How about they win a race in F1 first! How many years have they been trying with the biggest budget in the industry?

Ditto

Let's go baby its on!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not going to try to attest to AUDI'S capabilities (or lack thereof, depends...) but instead want to comment on the advantages of a Diesel race car:

1. 1. A Diesel race car, due to its GAS SIPPING efficiency, can carry less fuel or go farther on the same amount of fuel. This means either LONGER lap times or fewer pits

2. A Diesel race car is capable of greater acceleration. High power at low rpms means the engine is less strained over the 24hr period compared to a gasoline/hybrid car.So it can be caliberated to produce power at a low(er) rpm.

3. This would allow engineers to augment the power band of high rpm engines where OTHERS suffer the most (though spend the least amount of time, but still some time): low to mid RPM

4. Batteries or capacitors are NOT used, so tremendous amounts of weight can be saved. Weight loss = time gained. Weight loss = better tire management, Weight loss = better fuel efficiency. Weight loss = undue advantage (Audi is used to hearing that in DTM so what's new)Besides the technology is so basic that the cost of running the program is potentially cheaper.

Think about it.

Good points,Lexus has to find a way to reduce the weight of their batteries.

youre the real clown

Then you can discuss diesel hybrid with the latest in battery technology. Win Win.

"Toyota should stick to selling 1200 horsepower Supra's for $70K"

1200BHP Sports car for $70K, that would be one of the biggest achievement in the history of mankind. Surely the greatest car every made. U idiot.

Bugatti offers 1000 BHP and costs what. Yeah 1 million Euro.

Btw good luck Toyota. They are really the leaders of Hybrid technology. Not only are they making it more economical and fuel efficient but at the same time working on the performance side of it.

Toyota for life

JUGNU

so what are you trying to say Rosco?

u seem a little defensive about your "sex life"

that u have a sex life due to the vehicle you drive?

your life sounds pretty sad

Retarded flame war...

+ 2

i think you should keep your fantasies to yourself..

"Btw good luck Toyota. They are really the leaders of Hybrid technology. Not only are they making it more economical and fuel efficient but at the same time working on the performance side of it. "

Errm, is that why the MB S Class hybrid we saw a couple of months back actually achieves better MPG.

Agreed! Good luck on that one. Just because Toyota thinks in show at Le Mans it's gong to topple a motor sport power like Audi in its first attemtp. Come on, you guys are really that naive?!

"Hybrid race cars definitely have tonns of potential. the electric engine has constant power at ALL rpms."


another HUGE advantage which few recognize, is the AMOUNT of energy that can be recycled by regenerative brakes.

a normal car THROWS AWAY enuff heat energy to cook a breakfast, slowing from the modest speed of 60 mph. imagine the energy ALL current race cars THROW AWAY, braking from speeds of 150 - 220 mph! too much energy to even pump back to batteries with conventional generators.

hence, use of capacitors. high performance capacitors will REVOLUTIONIZE racing. with HYBRIDS/electric cars only, of course.

take my word for it. this IS the future of racing!

Everyone should stop respond to this immature,closed minded idiot included myself.He's not worth it.

No such thing as a RS8. It is an R8 V12 TDI. Its performanc is 0-62 at 4.2 seconds. Any astute automotive enthusiast would one appreciate such a car for its sheer technology and execution not to mention its performance. It will be faster than 4.2 seconds. The mpg at 24-25 is quite subtantial for a high performance sports car and it is clean...clean! Stop hating because of your bias.

"which isn't much to brag about considering larger vehicles are faster and get better mileage (IS-F)."

Huh? #1 there's no RS8, #2 the standard R8 4.2 is significantly quicker than the IS-F. Right now, its quickest acceleration time is 3.9 sec from 0-60. Even if you were to look at the mfr times from Audi and Lexus, the R8 is quicker. But why are you comparing them?

I would gladly take a pie to the face if they are competitive with the R10 at LeMans. I would, however, prefer that A) they actually get some positive results from their F1 team FIRST, and B) if they are calling this hybrid race car a Supra, then there damn well better be a return of the production Supra by 2011!

The 24 Hours Le Mans is ALL about MPG. Audi kicked ass because the diesels can remain on the track for a longer period of time thus not trailing due to less refuels. Toyota is hoping their hybrids will be a 1 up.

Crazy speed is not neccessary, just endurance and less frequent pit stops.

why is FERRARI, who needs no recounting of its racing credentials, CONSIDERING HYBRIDS?

a HUGE advantage which few recognize, is the AMOUNT of energy that can be recycled by regenerative brakes.

a normal car THROWS AWAY enuff heat energy to cook a breakfast, slowing from the modest speed of 60 mph. imagine the energy ALL current race cars THROW AWAY, braking from speeds of 150 - 220 mph! too much energy to even pump back into batteries.

hence, use of capacitors. high performance capacitors will REVOLUTIONIZE racing. with HYBRIDS/electric cars ONLY, of course.

when otherwise dumped kinetic energy is recovered to charge up capacitors/batteries for extra power coming out of corners, hybrid racers have a HUGE advantage. the hybrid racer toyota fielded not only left beemers and porches eating its dust, it led the field by SUBSTANTIAL margins.

just as production hybrids can make do with smaller ICEs, hybrids with efficient regenrative brakes can make do will SMALLER, LESS BULKY AND HEAVY, and LESS EXPENSIVE conventional brakes.


take my word for it. this IS the future of racing!

regenerative brakes and electric motors are like energy "springs." all the energy used to slow is soaked up, then usefully unleashed charging out of corners.

NO wasted energy normally DUMPED by friction brakes. all of is instead used to supplement the gas engine to rocket out of corners.

from description of a test drive in the Tesla, (full text available at the Motor Trend site):

"...but what's interesting is the regen's strong drag when you lift. In fact, often the friction brakes aren't really needed at all, and when they are, your right foot gets to enjoy old-fashioned sports-car braking feel because the regen isn't concomitantly ramped up."

another excerpt from MT's test drive of the Tesla:

"Whrrrrrrr...30 mph, 40 mph, 50...in the four seconds it's taken to read this sentence, the Roadster has shrieked to 60 mph (Tesla's claimed 3.9 seconds would seem entirely plausible in a controlled setting). There's no wheelspin, axle tramp, shutter, jutter, smoke whiff, cowl shake, nothing. I'm being eerily teleported down the barrel of a rail gun, head pulled back by a hard, steady acceleration. Bizarre. And before too long, profoundly humbling to just about any rumbling Ferrari or Porsche that makes the mistake of pulling up next to a silent, 105-mpg Tesla Roadster at a stoplight."

this hybrid is most assuredly, no Prius.

but how long will it be before Lexus and/or Honda and/or Acura and/or Toyota will feel the need to come up with an answer to the Tesla?

when (not if) toyota wins Le Mans with a hybrid, EVERYBODY will jump on the hybrid bandwagon.

already investigating the possibilities, Ferrari will likely be first to follow in the tire tracks of the Tesla. AND Toyota.

LOL!

last year i read the book, "1421." just recently i scanned and reread parts of it and bot an extra copy as a gift for a friend who will spend some time on a sailboat in the Caribbean.

briefly, the book is about Chinese voyages which PRE-DATED columbus and magellan, and even the earlier explorers from portugal. guess what, daGama as well as columbus were NOT sailing blind into the unknown.

they had maps from a ventian, who in turn had had access to CHINESE MAPS of africa and the western hemisphere.

if it had not been for a palace revolt and coup after the chinese admirals left, and before they returned with their astounding findings and ships' logs, we would all be speaking chinese. and the process would've started from the mid-1400s, LONG before the rise of the western empires.

as a result of the coup, the huge discovery ships --and all long distance craft-- were banned from leaving chinese ports again. the new rulers decided there was nothing outside the chinese borders and spere of influence worth the expense of further voyages.

the records were burned to discourage later explorers.

the voyagers DID LEAVE ample evidence -- physical, genetic, linguistic, etc-- that they reached western hemisphere lands and settlements LONG before any europeans did.

ventian => Venetian; spere = sphere

china had always been proud of its high levels of civilization and technical skills and knowledge, with justification.

when chinese forces were first embarassed in fights against western cannon and firearms, their attitude was: "It is ONLY by an accident of history that these barbarians have obtained superior weapons of war. Once we catch up technically, with our superior civilization and culture, we will ONCE AGAIN assert our innate superiority."

the japanese had a very similar attitude. they managed to catch up more quickly, and avoided being colonized when the rest of asia was split up like a pie among the western imperialists. they even became conquering imperialists themselves, until they lost ww2.

it seems the chinese will FULLY catch up too sometime in next few decades, and like the japanese re-assert SOME levels of superiority. with regard to handling national finances and debt, THEY ALREADY HAVE.

midengine: "Huu, Japan was never good at invention and innovation. See the links in my profile and also the information and quotes below."


japan was making the HIGHEST QUALITY steel since the 1300s. samurai swords from that era and later still exist, with pristine sharp edges. far better than damascus and swedish swords, long rusted away.

poetry was being written in the courts of Nara and Kyoto (the old capitals) when the highest expression of art in the british isles was smearing red clay on one ass cheek and blue on the other.

you can cite numbers of Nobel winners, but that is a very small fraction of any nation's intellectual elite. how about looking at the AVERAGE folk?
high school test scores of all asian countries are far above american kids'. heck, even some EASTERN EUROPEAN countries do better.