Bmw 118d advanced diesel named 2008 World Green Car

very nice! I know the dutch would love this car, due to the country's impeccable environmental standards set on cars driven on their cities.

what flavor is the Toyota/Lexus Cool-Aid today?

I hope it's grape. I love grape. As long as it's not sugar-free.

I like grape too. Maybe gobama made enough of his lexus cool-aid for everyone. That is one sugar rush

Reverend Wright said so :-D

Gobama ... the real answers to your questions.

1.what car company has won quality awards 10 years in a row? Actually that would be toyota or honda. What do you mean by quality awards, anyways?

2.Which company makes the best interiors? In the luxury car market, audi is know for their interiors. Audi actually over the last 5 years, build the best interiors of all brands. This is according to pretty much every magazine editor the has ever written about cars. Lexus usually doesnt finish in the top 2.

3. What company has the smoothest engines? In regards to smoothness and balance the BMW inline 6cyl has been the Best engine for the last decade. BMW has more Engine of the Year awards than any car Manufacturer for the past 10 years. I believe BMW is at 19 to be exact. Lexus has won 1 time.

4. What company makes the quietest cabins and engines? Lexus is up there. although the IS isnt that quiet nor is the GS. If we are going to consider all manufacturers, then I would have to go with Bentley on that one. Lexus would be a close second.

5. which company is considered the cleanest luxury brand? That would not be Lexus. Actually BMW is the leading candidate for luxury brands. Not only for their low emission diesel engines, or the Hydrogen car, but for their paint facility that uses the energy from landfills to fuel the facitilty. THe BMW plant is the leading technology in reducing polution. It has won the award by the EPA , 3 years in a row. Lexus is nowhere to be found. Lexus has a couple hybrid cars, which have been proven to provide no real economical savings as compared to their gas counterparts ....


Keep drinking your lexus cool-aid. That sugar rush is a killer.

Right on point!!! I don't hear a response From Obama for that one.

BMW 118d: 48 mpg US, 129 g/km, 0-60 8.6-9.0s (various sources)
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/01/bmw_introduces_.html

Lexus IS220d: 44.8 mpg US, 168 g/km, 0-60 8.6-8.9s
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/new_car_reviews/article596581.ece

Looks like you need to know the truth before you point your finger at others.

well since the #'s are so close, next thing would be feature/amenities/pricing to determine the winner...

why must everyone here nit-pick at the miniscule of the numebrs!!! seriosuly!!!

got-dang keyboard!!!!!!!!!!

"Using a German source is not fair. Use either an American source of a Japanese source but not biased German sources."
so the sources he provided are german? wow...

its ok if daddy can't buy you a bimmer.

de-boosted for speaking the truth...lmao, this board never ceases to amaze me?

budfrog - wrong 118d. The newest, EfficientDynamics equipped one gets:
119g/km, 51 US mpg, 0-62 8.6 seconds.
So it's even better.
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=36734

And the IS220d does not get 44 US mpg - it gets 44 imperial, which is about 36 US. The IS is the least fuel efficient and most polluting in its class. (A4 2.0 tdi, C220cdi and 320d all get lower emissions and better mpg).
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=32502

The site I got that info from is completely independent.

GoObama,

SHUT UP! Why did you avoid this thread, you puss!

http://www.autospies.com/news/New-IS-F-M3-C63-Comparo-MotorTrend-27503/

I will tell you why, your IS-F got its ASS kicked.

Look at the lap times, DOMINATED by the M3.

LAST PLACE in the comparo.

Have a nice day, you moron.

Where is 1970? He should have been all over this by now.

He's probably copying some Lexus hybrid vs German diesel article into MS Word and then changing a few words and performance figures to make it look like the hybrid won the comparison...

Some of us do have jobs you know.

No need to copy and paste on this one. Unlike you German fan automatons, I put thought into each new, different thread. I cant help it that we have had like 12 articles about the new MBZ diesel SUVs.

As for this win, let me confound you with rational thinking.

Pluses...Seems like a decent engine. Decent mpg, not a huge loss in performance, low CO2, stop-start technology (thank you Toyota)

Minuses...They mention nothing about cost (of the cleaner diesel engine and of diesel fuel), emissions that at best will achieve T2B5 (how much do you hate me now T2B5 T2B5 T2B5 T2B5).

But to me the biggest problem is that how much better is this really than a comparable gasoline engine? If BMW were to combine stop-start with a direct injected gas engine and light weight materials, they would achieve similar performance using a cheaper fuel that could probably be CARB certified PZEV. But you Euros are so hung up on diesels that you cant see this.

And you dont even need a hybrid. Cant tell you how much that would improve the situation.

happy now

back to work

Much happier!


It wouldn't be a diesel vs hybrid post without your comments.

BTW.
Work?
On a friday?
Thats strange. You must not work for the Federal Govt. We havent been doing anything here all day....those of us who actually come in on Fridays.

Non-profit sector. Quiet Friday afternoons, which is why I could finally tackle this one. Used to have govt job, most money and time off Ive ever had.

The comprable gas engine would be the 523i, which gets nothing like the mileage of this.

that's two diesels in a row winning world green car of the year!

finally, people are getting it!

they are choosing car that was introduce for this year . when there wasn`t any hybrid with small engine introduced in 2007,2008 they couldn`t choose it . e.g. they couldn`t choose toyota prius even if it the greenest car becouse it wasn`t introduced this year . if no that rule they can choosing this same car in every year with would be nonsense .

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/used_car_reviews/article3552994.ece

good point abcd

AE86
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/green_machines/the_frugalympics_comparison_test

abcd,
Thanks for pointing to an article that is nearly 4 years old. The Prius was beaten in a head to head drubbing against the 520d. Your Frugal Olympics is some irrelevant point system from nearly 4 years ago.

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/used_car_reviews/article3552994.ece

AND, the Prius doesn't even have 4 wheel disc brakes! Its 2008!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6WVRrMY32c&feature=related

535d puts in a lap at Top Gear equal to an RX8 and 350Z, what do you think a Prius would do?

I wonder why we don't get the hatch here. I liked more than the coupe imo.

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Congratulations to BMW for kicking the a$$ of ToyLex once again.

Power to BMW :-\

Huu ... why isnt the car available in the US? BMW is bringing diesels to the US in the fall of this year. Why the wait? had to do with emissions in the US and making sure they had a car that was 50 state compliant. BMW did not want to make the mistake and bring diesels early if they were not going to be able to be sold in all 50 states, especially California.

If hte Prius is so green, then what does one do with the batteries when they expire in about 8 years? The prius doesnt get 65mpg. According to 2008 EPA the toyota prius gets 48 city / 45 highway.

All 118ds sold in the UK are efficient dynamics models.

And my source is the European equivalent of the EPA. Prius was rated in exactly the same way...

The website I used isn't a 'testing' site, it puts all the data in one place to make it easier to compare.
EuroNCAP is just for safety, I don't know the name of the body that tests fuel economy, EU-something I guess.

And the IS220d does not out-do the Audi diesels.
Audi A4 2.0 tdi:
51 UK mpg, 144g/km CO2
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=38572

Lexus IS220d:
44 mpg, 168g/km CO2
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=32502

Those are the official figures, so are an easy way of comparing them, as they give no advantage to a particular car. A reason the Lexus suffers is the fact it weighs over 120 kilos more than the A4. I'll give you that the IS is about 0.5 seconds faster to 60, but it is worse overall. The A4 isn't even the ''best' engine wise in its class, the 3 series is.
BMW 320d (177 hp version):
58 UK mpg, 128 g/km and it's the fastest (7.7 to 60)
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=38233

BMW 1 series tech data, for the 5 door, on the BMW UK website:
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecifications/0,,1156___bs-MQ%3D%3D%40bb-S08%3D%40sit-bmwuk,00.html

You'll see that the 118d emits 119g/km and gets 62 UK mpg combined.

AE86
"The Prius was beaten in a head to head drubbing against the 520d."
no it wasn`t though 520d is very economical for diesel(it has regenerative braking). prius "burn" fewer energy (diesel is densier than petrol) and is much "cleaner" . it do that despite fewer effeciency present petrol engines than diesel engines . in future petrol will have that same effeciency as diesel(e.g. HCCI , DiesOtto) so for what someone would want diesels then
"Your Frugal Olympics is some irrelevant point system from nearly 4 years ago."
you can see mpg not points
"AND, the Prius doesn't even have 4 wheel disc brakes! Its 2008!"
our subject isn`t about brakes
"535d puts in a lap at Top Gear equal to an RX8 and 350Z, what do you think a Prius would do?"
and what do you think 520d would do

GoObama,

SHUT UP! Why did you avoid this thread, you puss!

http://www.autospies.com/news/New-IS-F-M3-C63-Comparo-MotorTrend-27503/

I will tell you why, your IS-F got its ASS kicked.

Look at the lap times, DOMINATED by the M3.

LAST PLACE in the comparo.

Have a nice day, you moron.

What about this from Autoblog:

BMW 520d beats Prius in gas mileage
Posted Mar 23rd 2008

Readers of London's Sunday Times kept telling the auto reporters that the official mileage numbers for the Prius were overstated by about 15 imperial mpg. Intrigued, the Times decided to test things out by running a Prius against a BMW 520d with regenerative braking from London to Geneva, a 460-mile trip. Then they added 100 miles of urban running to give the Prius a chance to recover ground on its proper turf.

The verdict: the conventional diesel with Efficient Dynamics beat the full hybrid by 2.2 imperial mpg, or 1.8 US mpg. This means that an executive sedan with all the mod-cons and 500 extra pounds beat the mollusk-shaped sip-tastic wunderkind known as the Prius. And the diesel's CO2 emissions are just 32 g/km higher than the hybrid poster-child, to boot.

Admittedly, we find the test a bit unfair -- the Prius is not meant show its muscle at "75-mph into a headwind," and adding 100 miles of urban driving doesn't make up for 460 miles of autoroute. Reverse those driving conditions and then let's see who won. Still, for all of us diesel fans out there, it's a feather we won't mind putting in the cap. Thanks for the tip, George!

[Source: Sunday Times via Technoride]

2006 - Diesel autos captured 51% of all new car registrations in Western Europe, and it was said that diesel market penetration had peaked in Europe.

2007 - Diesel autos captured 53% of all new car registrations in Western Europe. Some countries such as Austria and France registered over 70% diesel powered purchases, while the U.S. is at around 3%, because we're so much smarter. Biodiesel is the number one renewable fuel, world wide, and it doesn't reduce fuel economy like ethanol-fueled gassers.

According to some hybrid proponents on this board, all these Europeans make stupid decisions, because an old technology like compression-ignition could not have advanced to clean, efficient, refined machines worthy for over 50% of all new car buyers in Europe. Even though spark-ignition technology is older than diesel, hybrid proponents claim that diesel is too old a technology to combine with electric drive, yet they cling to an even older ICE as the perfect power train for the future of American transportation.

The anti-diesel sentiment on this site has no realistic basis; it is all fueled by emotional insecurity; not sure why; haven't figured that one out. It seems as though hybrid owners/supporters would support other means of responsibly reducing petroleum, but, evidentially, reducing petroleum consumption in America is not the real reason they drive (or want to drive) a hybrid.

I own both a hybrid and diesel. The mid-size hybrid averages 30 mpg; the compact diesel--44. They both save fuel, but I like the diesel, because I get better hwy mileage and can further reduce petroleum and reduce toxic exhaust through the use of biodiesel blends of fuel. The hybrid can take only E10.

1970Toyotamarc
"Minuses...They mention nothing about cost (of the cleaner diesel engine and of diesel fuel), emissions that at best will achieve T2B5"

1. Yes they do mention cost--$27,000, bottom of the line, luxury sedan 5-series.

2. The fuel is not more expensive, only in America where there is a glut of gasoline, because the rest of the world is using less of it and dumping the excess refining capacity on the states, which is keeping the market price of gasoline low in the face of $108+ barrel of light, sweet crude.

3. Emissions-T2B5 is enough. It is the toughest, minimum standards in the world. There are plenty of worse choices out there, i.e. gas guzzlers that meet tier 2, bin 5 but send out extra tons of CO2 and CO in the atmosphere. Besides, the diesel can run on any blend of biodiesel, reducing the levels of all toxic substances, save NOx.