Preliminary specifications of the Toyota 2.0L FR sports coupe, the Nissan 370Z and the Toyota 4500GTh

Hey Huu, if anyone driving a fast BMW, a car that's universally considered the sport luxury benchmark, is a "poser", what does that make someone driving a fast Lexus, your prestige brand of choice? Wouldn't that make them even more of one?

aside from the fact that almost zero X5 owners are taking their X5's offroading, what on earth does an X5 have to do with this conversation? We're talking sports cars here. If the best you can do is whip out X5 quotes that have nothing to do with this discussion, you lose.

Listen, obviously you have some sort of inferiority complex about BMW. I don't know why, you've never explained it, and frankly I couldn't care less. Just be aware that every time you post nowaways you look more and more like the jaded, blind fanboy you're always calling everyone else who doesn't suck off the Lexus teat. You lose credibility with every post.

As for being a poser, Lexus only came out with these sporty cars to try and compete with BMW in the first place. Why do you think the IS and GS have gravitated towards the aggressive look and more sporty drive? Why do you think the IS-F exists? Because Lexus is mimicking the attributes everyone already associates with BMW. Frankly to me the idea of getting a Lexus that's trying to be the exact opposite of what a Lexus normally is, a car that's trying to be a BMW... well, now that just has poser written all over it. So you can have your fast Lexus. I'll take the car they're copying. And I'll bet at the end of the day I'll enjoy my car more than you do yours. And that, my blind, jaded, teat sucking friend, is all that matters.

Looks like an IS mated with an Acura RSX. Not a bad thing, just a comment. These cars would gladly be welcomed to the table if they can make them emotionally inviting, affordable, light and capable.

The Z is already there in it's current form, but Toyota has a hard time lately making something sexy and perform well. They are getting there with the LF-A and IS-F.

Should be a fun time for us car guys.

-jeeka.

I, in general am a big fan of toyota and am particularly in awe of their manufacturing approach and what they did with hybrids etc.
HOWEVER, lets not talk sports cars with them!!!!!! All these so called cars from Toyota have been on the drawing board since 2000 ... The 370z , hell yea that will rock because its in Nissans DNA of producing performance cars.
Toyota does great things, but sports cars ... is a bit like asking for MB to do a pickup .. pointless.

(I do not mean to disparage cars like the Supra etc. but supra was a derivative of the Japanese concept of turbo charged sports cars ..3000Gt etc, its success is mainly due to the overengineering that went into it that allows it to be highly modified.)

Why don't you just save your money and get a bicycle with a "Lexus" emblem on it instead. Unlike the LS Hybrid it would actually be doing something to "Save the Planet."

Huu76. I usually reserve my comments to myself as I don't want to waste time with idiots who lack logical reasoning. I don't know why or where you get your information from but if you don't like bmw, then so be it. just shut up about it, and grow up. you work hard for your money so please go buy your lexus for less money cause you don't see value in the added cost of a bmw.

But for some reason, and you see this in lexus marketing, many reviews from third party company's and im sure its in lexus management discussion boards cause Lexus is ALWAYS compared to BMW. if there is no comparison like you claim, then why the comparison? Toyota makes mass production products, its evident in their operations. Im not saying bmw doesn't mass produce, they do, but its not in their foundation for operation. They concentrate on productin ultimate driving machines, rather then lexus "comparable luxury, similar performance, BUT FOR LESS".

I have a bmw 335i, i used to own a bmw m3 e46, and before this i had a supra and before that a celica.

I THINK, and this is my opinion through experience on and off teh track with bmw and toyotas, nothing drives like a bmw.

end of discussion.