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Pioneers of environmentally compatible diesel technology: 20 years of particulate filters at Mercedes Benz

The world's first passenger car to be equipped with a diesel particulate filter – a Mercedes Benz – was supplied in the US state of California exactly 20 years ago. Mercedes Benz can therefore lay claim to more experience with diesel particulate filters than any other car manufacturer. Furthermore, the Stuttgart-based brand offers more diesel car models with a particulate filter fitted as standard than any other manufacturer. From the summer of this year, the standard specification for all new Mercedes Benz diesel cars sold in Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and Switzerland will include a particulate filter. This move sees Mercedes Benz once again underlining its leading role in the development of sophisticated diesel technology.

Exactly 20 years ago, Mercedes Benz engineers were the first in the world to design and implement a filter system capable of removing the soot particles from the exhaust gases produced by diesel car engines. In 1985, Mercedes Benz started to equip 300 D/300 SD diesel models destined for the US state of California with particulate filters, assuming a pioneering role that would go from strength to strength in the coming years. As these fledgling saloon models clocked up the miles in the US, Mercedes-Benz set about gathering important data relating to customers' driving profiles, filter service life and the effect of the fuel on filter regeneration.

The knowledge gained from this experience is one of the main reasons why Mercedes engineers still lead the way when it comes to developing particulate filters that work without additives and, therefore, are maintenance-free. This leading-edge, customer-friendly technology is already fitted as standard in 20 Mercedes Benz diesel car models sold in Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and Switzerland. No other car manufacturer comes close to offering this many models with a maintenance-free particulate filter. In summer this year, the number of different Mercedes diesel models equipped with a particulate filter is set to rise above 40.

Mercedes Benz notched up another pioneering achievement in the autumn of 2003 when it became the first car manufacturer to offer compliance with the EU 4 emission standard in conjunction with a particulate filter in its C Class and E Class diesel models. Even back then, nearly two years ago, these cars met strict EU emission requirements that were not due to come into force until 2005, putting them streets ahead of their nearest rivals.

Mercedes customers also benefit financially from the committed and determined stance the oldest car manufacturer in the world has displayed in the field of particulate filter technology over many years. Initial studies show that, over the long term, the resale values of CDI models fitted with a diesel particulate filter will be higher than those of similar cars not equipped with this technology.


Homer008Homer008 - 4/15/2005 8:54:38 AM
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Autospies, what's matter with you? Whats you and Mercedes benz and Bmw???? This article stinks. Its bad bad article...autospies stinks now!



Homer008Homer008 - 4/15/2005 8:54:38 AM
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Autospies, what's matter with you? Whats you and Mercedes benz and Bmw???? This article stinks. Its bad bad article...autospies stinks now!



sedainesedaine - 4/15/2005 1:23:19 PM
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Diesel still rocks... what kind of performance do you get from a hybrid????? NONE! At lease you can clock 8-10 secs 0-60 mph in a good diesel engine and stll do 35-45 m/gallon.


Homer008Homer008 - 4/15/2005 7:42:01 PM
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Now we have Prius and a host of other hybrid vehicles from Toyota and Lexus. Ford, Mazda, Nissan and now Porsche have bought rights to use the hybrid systems from Toyota. ===you've forgot to mention subaru, Honda, Acura which also has or have an Hybrid System now or will have soon. Chinese Auto manufacturers are also hard at work on Hybrid.


Homer008Homer008 - 4/15/2005 7:42:01 PM
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Now we have Prius and a host of other hybrid vehicles from Toyota and Lexus. Ford, Mazda, Nissan and now Porsche have bought rights to use the hybrid systems from Toyota. ===you've forgot to mention subaru, Honda, Acura which also has or have an Hybrid System now or will have soon. Chinese Auto manufacturers are also hard at work on Hybrid.


Homer008Homer008 - 4/15/2005 7:44:35 PM
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Rocket scientists at the GM spent over 4 billion dollars with Fiat. Outcome was absolute nothing. Investors and business watchers has ranked this move as GM's latest big mistake of all time. GM desperately in need of money goes spending money on diesel tech. from fiat ratherthan hybrid. Not smart. Also GM quit on electric car R&D last month.



Homer008Homer008 - 4/15/2005 7:44:35 PM
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Rocket scientists at the GM spent over 4 billion dollars with Fiat. Outcome was absolute nothing. Investors and business watchers has ranked this move as GM's latest big mistake of all time. GM desperately in need of money goes spending money on diesel tech. from fiat ratherthan hybrid. Not smart. Also GM quit on electric car R&D last month.



Homer008Homer008 - 4/21/2005 1:54:05 AM
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i have no idea where you get stats saying diesel is far more reliable than regular gas engine..and I'm unconvinced on this.

ave. price of battery is not $10,000 as you say it is. Its around $2-3000. Doesn't have to replaced for at least 10 years also...so life of owning a hybrid..you'll probably replace battery once or never.

comment you made about climbing steep hills while in hybrid..well thats wrong too. car doesn't slow down do to the low battery and battery is constantly being recharged as you brake..so i don't understand what yer saying.

anyhow..if diesel were so great..how come most of us own regular gas? Are we all an idiots?


Homer008Homer008 - 4/21/2005 1:54:05 AM
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i have no idea where you get stats saying diesel is far more reliable than regular gas engine..and I'm unconvinced on this.

ave. price of battery is not $10,000 as you say it is. Its around $2-3000. Doesn't have to replaced for at least 10 years also...so life of owning a hybrid..you'll probably replace battery once or never.

comment you made about climbing steep hills while in hybrid..well thats wrong too. car doesn't slow down do to the low battery and battery is constantly being recharged as you brake..so i don't understand what yer saying.

anyhow..if diesel were so great..how come most of us own regular gas? Are we all an idiots?


Homer008Homer008 - 4/23/2005 8:33:03 AM
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I disagree..Diesel's dependablility are NOT commonly known as you claim. I have never seen a single Diesel engine on a reliable vehicles ever. Furthermore, if it were to be true..how come military veh. don't have one?

I also disagree on what you said about "no one is going to pay extra for an hybrid". You then later said "and a waiting list that's already over a year, "<--on hybrid. You have just contradicted yourself. People are buying hybrid and very well at that..infact close to 50,000 this year! 1/3 of soon to be defunct Tauraus are selling!

believe what you want to believe...seems to me you are favoring a diesel in comparison to Hybrid engines for unknown reason and I have to admit that its almost no comparison in honesty...Hybrid will bury it. I mean..technologically, environmentally, frugality...Hybrid wins hands down! Like Kitt said...diesel is another dying tech. and I have to agree. The next wave already hitting overseas are hybrid buses and Super cars.

BTW, I served in the U.S. Marines and I have never seen a single Diesel engine anywhere. And if you still think somehow diesel is the s..t, please prove it.


Homer008Homer008 - 4/23/2005 8:33:03 AM
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I disagree..Diesel's dependablility are NOT commonly known as you claim. I have never seen a single Diesel engine on a reliable vehicles ever. Furthermore, if it were to be true..how come military veh. don't have one?

I also disagree on what you said about "no one is going to pay extra for an hybrid". You then later said "and a waiting list that's already over a year, "<--on hybrid. You have just contradicted yourself. People are buying hybrid and very well at that..infact close to 50,000 this year! 1/3 of soon to be defunct Tauraus are selling!

believe what you want to believe...seems to me you are favoring a diesel in comparison to Hybrid engines for unknown reason and I have to admit that its almost no comparison in honesty...Hybrid will bury it. I mean..technologically, environmentally, frugality...Hybrid wins hands down! Like Kitt said...diesel is another dying tech. and I have to agree. The next wave already hitting overseas are hybrid buses and Super cars.

BTW, I served in the U.S. Marines and I have never seen a single Diesel engine anywhere. And if you still think somehow diesel is the s..t, please prove it.


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