Is The New Nissan GT-R Destined To Become Just Another Pointless Exercise?

Shouldn't have bought then? I know few thousand other buyer who would love to take it off your hands.

I read this article several times and still don't know what his point is. He's complaining about run-flat tires, LCD screen that provides tons of racing info... oh, and he is not getting attention from Sharapova.

This guy is pissed probably because he asked for CAMRY for review and instead get a GT-R. The only thing he talks about driving is "steering feel", not even turn-in, balance, or exit. My God! So So So beginner!

Just because TTAC was probably the last one to get a GT-R for review doesn't mean they need to come up w/ such a pointless article. The more I read about them the more I feel their review quality go down a lot in such a short time.

Just another 911 owner that cannot fact the reality, who probably drive it at a CAMRY speed. Lame.....

This buyer is a pesky joker of a man, if you don't like perfection then to he*l with you. Why don't you just give off the car to someone who appreciates the unrivaled driving ability of this awesome piece of driving machine. Quit whining, i bet he is such a lousy enthusiast, that he could not appreciate the mind boggling speed, and fierce corner pulls in high speed bends, pathetic. The guy has just made a mockery of himself by stating that he does not like the GTRs brilliance.

Perfect answer, couldnt have said it better myself

Like the NSX when it came out we are seeing a lot of fanfare about this car. Yes it may hold the lead for now, but typically Nissan and even Acura fail to maintain the lead by updating the car.

My prediction is this car is just a snapshot in time great for now, but destine to fade into the past.

Whatever!

What makes you say that when the GT-R has been continually updated for decades?

I wish that I could disagree, but I think that 009 makes a valid point. I didn't agree with him until I read the article.

I hope that Nissan proves me wrong.

NSX hasn't faded out since your thinking about it.

I was surprised 009 knows so little about performance car while he posts so many articles on this website.

You ought to check out what NSX means to every car tuner/enthusiast out there.

The NSX is important, no doubt. However out of the box it fell behind pretty quickly to the competition and never had the grunt to make its way around a track faster. So as far as setting the benchmark for any length of time it failed miserably.

I personally loved the NSX, but if you make a performance car you need to keep it competitive, not design it and expect it to sell three years later after the competition has passed it by with improvements.

Remember these cars are halo cars and must be kept current.

Where are you getting your facts from? My god ... what kind of qualifications you need to be spies agent. I can go to google find all the groundbreaking and racing info of the NSX.

Agent009 and others:

one thing you didn`t noticed , and guy who wrote this article also didn`t noticed that :

it is one VERY big difference between first nsx and other japanese sports car from past times and today`s gt-r and other future japanese sports cars - now japanese sports cars aren`t restricted to 280 hp like they were in the past . that is the huge difference in my opinion . with 280 hp car you couldn`t compete with 400 hp car even when you have light aluminium body . 280 hp past restrictions is the reason why japanese sports car doesn`t have prestige like european ones .

I don't think its pointless at all despite its shortcomings. Bragging rights, especially in the automotive world, are the equivalent of a Roman Triumph. A stock Nissan that trumps the 911 Turbo is impressive any way you look at it.

Which is faster to 60...a 911 Turbo or a GT-R without using launch control?

That's okay I did the research for you...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9071219.007/inside-line-tests-nissan-gtr-0-60mph-in-33-sec
Without the launch control, the GT-R still produced an amazing 0 – 60 mph in 4.0 seconds and quarter-mile in 12.6 seconds at 120.6 mph.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=124017?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*

"..Leave the launch control off and the tranny in R mode, and the car is still sick quick. Sixty mph arrives in 4.0 seconds and the quarter-mile disappears in 12.3 seconds at 120.6 mph. All our testing was completed using manual shifting..."

"..It's even quicker than the Porsche 911 Turbo Tiptronic, but not by much. The German hits 60 mph in 3.4 seconds and blasts through the quarter-mile in 11.6 at 118.5 mph."

I always know when I hit a raw nerve with the GT-R/Nissan Fanboys.

Your conception?

No matter what some idiot who doesnt like run-flats says, this car is going to sell and people are going to love it.

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LOL!!! Nice review (sarcasm). This just goes to show you how great this car is. It's a case of..."I'm tired of reading how GREAT this car is!"

Nissan did not want to build a "Porsche", they wanted to build a Porchse killer AND SUCCEEDED!!!

Plus, it's a terrible comparison with the NSX.

Porsche killer...yeah okay...for the first 10 or so tries with the launch control...then it's back to 4 sec 0 - 60 times...

"The GT-R’s fiddly “launch mode” for maximum acceleration (meaning turbo spool-up) is also a curiosity. It will amuse those who haven't an ounce of mechanical sensibility who don't mind abusing machinery. Actual GT-R owners will use it a few times to amuse the neighbors, and then will realize that they're still making payments on the $70,000+ appliance they're brutalizing. Even Nissan told me to only use it "once or twice." "

P.S...What's the point of lauch control when you can't use it all the time?

A definite NO.

but is there lasting power there?

The NSX no, the GT3000 no.. both were flash in the pans. The Turbo Supra and King Kong Z350 even fell to the test of time.

When the NSX came oout. Japan manufacturers had an agreement not to go over 300 hp because of pollution issue in Japan.

What about outside the country?

This is similar to the artificial limits on top speed of the German cars.

That 300 hp was advertised, you could alway rate it at 300 and it be something else.

I believe NSX was built in Japan and must obey the agreement. Putting HP a side which I will give that to you. NSX is still an amazing car and the type-R from Japan is still a sick ride.

Beside didn't BMW some where in the past decade said hp was not everything.

The reviewer likely already had his final opinion before even sitting in the driver's seat. (a lot like the average autospies poster)

And I'm pretty sure the GT-R was designed with function over form in mind.

It might not win a beauty contest, but who gives a rat's ass. It wasn't designed to and its performance speaks for itself.

I agree about the reviewer (and many autospies posters). But I did have to laugh when I read this "It fascinated me that nobody in Nevada or California noticed the GT-R, other than carwash attendants, 14-year-olds with mullets and every parking valet in Vegas." The 14 year olds with mullets comment put it over the top, that was funny.

But honestly this guy owns a 911 and is being rather defensive about it, but he did point out some things that others may have if they hadn't already decided to like the car (the gages on the Nav screen are cool and everything but how often are you going to use that after the first month?)

Yeah, it was funny, but that also contradicts every other article I've read about it not getting looks(especially Cali). Just by the tone of his so-called comparison, I'd say, "whatever".

The gages are like most ammenities in cars these days. How often will you actually use most of them?

I here that when comparisons were done , the GT-R was only run at quarter throttle!!! so there, Mr. Poopy pants.

Sounds like that shallow type of guy, no matter how awesome the car is, and how well it has treated him, he'll never be satisfied with it because great heaps of money was not spent, and there isn't a prancing horse on the hood.

What does 'destine' mean 009?

Do we have spell check?

Obviously not, I fixed after you correctly pointed it out.

This article was spot on, and I agree whole-heartedly with the conclusion; this thing is nothing more than a soulless robot. It wont age anywhere near as well as the only true japanese exotic in history-the NSX.

Mr Roboto, not Godzilla. Owned a 300ZX turbo once - it had six different ways to tell how much gas was in the tank (all kinds of displays and warnings)- by the second year none of them worked, including the simple analog gas gauge.

009,

Are you serious? You dismiss a car that offers supercar-like performance at a reasonable price just because you don't like its looks or its run-flat tires. (I agree with you regarding the GT-R's looks, by the way.) Dude, everyone wants perfection, but in the real world can't you settle for mere excellence?

I didn't dismiss it, the writer did.

1. You're a wimp for complaining about the ride/noise - it's a f***ing sports car.

2. You're searching for excuses/negativity because of how good this car really is.

1. You're a wimp for complaining about the ride/noise - it's a f***ing sports car.

" then you should hear the engine or the muffler...no one ever professed that tires on a Corvette or Ferrari sounded wonderful"

2. You're searching for excuses/negativity because of how good this car really is.

"It's a good car with alot of good tricks and impressibe technology...but let's face it...it's people like you that makes this car so "GREAT"...oh...and it's price!

Further proof that few agents on this site are ANYTHING BUT competent writers/ thinkers/ journalists.

009- so your one drive is enough to cast judgement on this car's incredible racing history? Your one drive deems it the latest forgettable fad?

Somewhere in Germany (4 boardrooms to be precise), they're wondering how to counter this challenge- and you call it a fading fad? WOW!

In GB (England) an accurate barometer for what REALLY acquires a cult following, the GTR sold on within 16 hours of the counter opening. That's a FAD??

What are you- a Hillary Clintonite HACK who just labors under his own delusional ramblings- and expects others to buy them as gospel?

Either give respect where its due- or GET OFF THIS SITE you faux-journo LOSER.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9071219.007/inside-line-tests-nissan-gtr-0-60mph-in-33-sec

"...Without the launch control, the GT-R still produced an amazing 0 – 60 mph in 4.0 seconds and quarter-mile in 12.6 seconds at 120.6 mph..."

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=124017?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*

"..Leave the launch control off and the tranny in R mode, and the car is still sick quick. Sixty mph arrives in 4.0 seconds and the quarter-mile disappears in 12.3 seconds at 120.6 mph. All our testing was completed using manual shifting..."

"..It's even quicker than the Porsche 911 Turbo Tiptronic, but not by much. The German hits 60 mph in 3.4 seconds and blasts through the quarter-mile in 11.6 at 118.5 mph."

I gotta ask...should the 911 really be worried when it can hit 0-60 in 3.4s EVERY TIME!! and the GT-R can hit 0-60 in 3.3 only when you launch control...which I might add you can only use a few times before your car is screaming ouch!! Come on...the most this car has on the 911 is handling! Give it up people! Nissan hasn't cornered the market on performance yet...until the others go out of business the cards are still on the table and the game is still on...now deal LOL!

From above article:

"The GT-R’s fiddly “launch mode” for maximum acceleration (meaning turbo spool-up) is also a curiosity. It will amuse those who haven't an ounce of mechanical sensibility who don't mind abusing machinery. Actual GT-R owners will use it a few times to amuse the neighbors, and then will realize that they're still making payments on the $70,000+ appliance they're brutalizing. Even Nissan told me to only use it "once or twice." "

"the gtr is still faster" -- until the launch control wrecks your transmission!

Holly crap, what wrong with you people. Someone, makes a sound opinion and you want to kill'em. And how many of you out there, besides the agents, have driven the new GT-R. Thought so, it's easy to fall in love with the idea of something that you've never experienced. But to bash someone, who has had there way with this car, and gives an honest review, that's not up to your idea of what this car is and can do, even though you've never driven it, Is just unprofessional. And wondering whether or not this car will succeed where the other Japanese all-stars came up short. The NSX, Supra which failed the test of time,and whether or not time will repeat it's self is a good question.

P.S. I hope this car is great, and that Nissan keeps it improving upon it.

Kraut_god - both were eclipsed by there competition in performance after a few short years.

Example the twin turbo Supra was faster than a turbo 911 when it was introduced. However after 5 year even a non turbo 911 cabrio was faster. The turbo Porsche reclaimed its performance back after less than one year.

The NSX never really was faster than the Vette that I can remember, however I could be wrong there. But after the redesign is was far slower than both the Vette and the Porsches it was designed to compete with.

Both of these cars are awesome in their own right, however they failed to live up to the competition.

ummmmm neither one of those cars is even made anymore. That's why they didn't stand the test of time.

LOL under ur theory
F40 / F50 neither one of those cars is even made anymore. That's why they didn't stand the test of time.

^^^ Ignorant statement. The F40/50 are timeless icons the World over and were never meant to be built in mass like the Corvette, GTR or most sports cars, but only in small numbers. F40/50 are called exclusive automobiles for the rich.

F40 is a name that signifies the companies 40th anniversary.

F50: "" 50th anniversary

F50 was "out of tradition" replaced by the Enzo although there will be an F60 released next year.

So your comparison between F's and the Supra/NSX are false.

Agent009 and others:

one thing you didn`t noticed , and guy who wrote this article also didn`t noticed that :

it is one VERY big difference between first nsx and other japanese sports car from past times and today`s gt-r and other future japanese sports cars - now japanese sports cars aren`t restricted to 280 hp like they were in the past . that is the huge difference in my opinion . with 280 hp car you couldn`t compete with 400 hp car even when you have light aluminium body . 280 hp past restrictions is the reason why japanese sports car doesn`t have prestige like european ones .

Good point!

I think Porsche loves you guys. Every time the GT-R is mentioned, theres gotta be someone out there who will advertise the 911 Turbo. Its like free advertisement for Porsche... lol

Extremely impressive car but I can't imagine that a Nissan will ever inspire the same lust as Lamborghini, Ferrari, AM, etc. I do appreciate Nissan's competitive entry (unlike Lexus) and can't wait to see the other manufacturer's responses.

whatever...

LOL!

I can see your point. I for one respect Japanese muscle and the GTR only amplifies the fact that Japan know performance. I hope this only wakes up their US and German counterparts to up the ante...

The Truth about cars. In fact they should call it: The Hate of Japanese cars. Evey single review of this magazine is negative when they test a japanese car.
This one i particulary ridicules

sorry for my english, i wanted to say: this test is particulary ridiculous and pointless.

No such thing as a perfect car no matter how many fan boys say otherwise or decide to deboost. The GTR is a huge step to supercar enthusiast without the 300K annual salary.

The GTR shows what most of have known for years...IT IS POSSIBLE TO BUILD AN AFFORABLE SUPERCAR!

whats the problem? cant afford the 120k 911 turbo? how about getting a better job then???

as a Porsche lover, I am highly impressed by the GTR and what Nissan has accomplished - it's GTR fanboys that i can't stand

Fanboy= someone who will likely never own the car, armchair races it from reading magazines, and then rave incessantly about a car that has been driven by very few people for very few miles.

LIKEWISE I DON'T STAND PORSCHE FANBOYS.

i dont think the gtr is ever been pointless. if we are goint to talk about cars that have been forgoten, we're not just talking about the legendary gtr, are we?

Agreed. GTR tells the auto buying public what Automakers CAN build and price it affordably. To me the GTR will be the car that changed the playing field because I am sure Nissan could have charged much more if its name was Porsche. Funny thing is the Z06 did the same thing but because it is US made it did not get fan faire it deserved. The Z06 can beat the GTR is 1/4mi but GTR edges it on the tracks and 0-60.

I am obviously a huge Porsche fan so I hope Porsche responds accordingly :)