Hot News: 2011 BMW M5

wow!!!!

just curious....being a BMW owner myself (o6 3 series), i was just wondering in the next couple years, when the next wave of new BMW vehicles come out, who is embracing their next design philosophy of the enlarged grille-look like that of the CS concept?

personally, i love it. i cant wait to see what the next-gen bimmers look like!!

its a CS combined with the M3 looks. i really hope BMW isnt plannin on transforming every new model to resemble the CS...that will get boring real quick

Headlights are beginning to look like MB.

The front end of that looks kinda previous generation WRX to me. I like M5's and will admit that the current gen 5 series is finalloy starting to grow on me. But I don't really like the kidney grills are awfully big on this illustration.
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hmm. The new M5 is only a year old. Audi introduced the new RS6 now. How is it at the end of the life cycle? So the M5 and the RS6 (both new) are now competing against each other. MB goes on sale in 2009. All three are then relatively new and not overlapping in terms of end of cycle. Your hypothesis is null and void.

Viso: E60 M5 was introduced as a 2004 model, so it has definitely been around for longer than a year.

Audi will certainly launch an RS6 sedan with 80 more horsepower than the BMW M5. Audi will then proceed to retiring the RS6 to preserve its residuals and exclusivity. Just like all other Audi RS models, the RS6 will be completely sold out and buyers will not be able to get them new. Audi would expand the number of RS models but it wants to maintain the exclusitivity of the RS moniker whereas Mercedes has been on a plan to dilute the prestige and exclusitivity of their AMG badge as much as possible with the AMG badge now being found on a minivan R-class.

Audi's next generation RS6 will not increase horsepower to 680 or 700. Instead Audi will likely keep a V10 but cut its weight immensely either by dropping the turbos or by doing something else while still keeping output at around the 600 range.

Audi is actually doing this as we speak with the next generation S4. The S4 will use a supercharged V6 instead of the current V8. Horsepower will be the same at around 340-350 but the real difference will be in the weight and balance of the car. The next generation S4 and RS4 will be much lighter than their current versions and the balance will be improved from the use of a smaller engine.

BMW will now start to worry because Audi is slowly adopting BMW's strategy of creating lightweight, better balanced cars instead of heavy, unbalanced cars that rely on horsepower and torque to propel themselves.

I doubt very much they'll be worrying. They'll just up the game and the loop continues. This has been the pattern and is always welcome.

I like both Audi and Beemers so I just always go with the flow and embrace the improvements they both keep making performance and handling wise.

"The next generation S4 and RS4 will be much lighter than their current versions and the balance will be improved from the use of a smaller engine."

I do believe that the next RS4 will be lighter. However I'm not sure it'd be 'much lighter'. Better balance I'm hoping because it'd certainly handle a lot better is what I'd imagine so watch out because it is already doing a great job in this area.

Also, 'smaller engine' with the right combination is also welcome. However we don't know if it is factual that the next RS4 will moving in this direction. I've read lots of speculation. We'd just have to wait and see and look forward to the improvements that they are all making.

huu76,

no, i didnt say that i believed they invented it, i said that im glad to see that they're moving towards the approach of larger grilles. now you have to understand me, i dont wanna see a dodge ram grille on the next 3 series, but im pleased with what ive seen/heard so far....

Audi took its grille from its Auto Union Silverarrows of the 30s not Chrysler.

I like beemers without a doubt. Currently have a touring in the fleet. However, I've had my eyes on Audi's RS models for a bit and would probably purchase two in the near future (Current RS4 & upcoming RS5 depending...).

In regards to Audi moving in the direction of lightening up their vehicles with the combination of better balance and the next generation of AWD, magnetic ride etc. may give this contender an edge. This is all good. It places the manufacturers in a position to consistently up the game for the next competing model.

When it comes to handling a skilled driver in a rear wheel drive car needs to know what he/she's doing on long runs (30+ miles) with many corners to make that run in decent times. However, the same driver in a similar performance vehicle on the same route that knows how to also handle the AWD will probably do significantly better time wise. I know this for a fact having had the experience for the last 41 years.

Performance + handling = Bliss!!!. Having said that I'd have both the Audi and Beemer. They are both great vehicles (specifically the RS4 & M3 IMHO). Also, considering adding a wicked sleeper as well. Either RS6 or M5 Touring as a company hauler.

You see amazinIdiot, the RS cars are limited so you don't find them on every street corner and therefore have their residuals fall through the floor.

Why do you think Audi's RS cars hold their value better than BMW's M and Mercedes' AMG cars. Audi has sold out of every single RS model including the RS4 and RS6. Therefore Audi could produce more RS cars and people would still buy them at a higher price than their BMW M counterparts.

Audi would sell every single RS car they make, but Audi will not dilute an exclusive high-performance division just to see more sales. Audi has enough other regular non -RS models to achieve sales.

Did I just hear you say that I got a college degree or a brain last night because BMW will start to worry...indeed BMW will be worried. Read the reviews of the new A4. The handling is a revelation....

Audi Q7, Q5, soon to be Q3, then an A1 and A7. Audi's product portfolio is rapidly increasing and so are profits.

Actually, the RS6 Avant is sold out in Britain already. Gotta wait if you want one.

Must be a low class golf club. Do you drive the little cart to pick up the golf balls? Surprised they would allow a poseur in the club.

Ok amazinBimmer how do you explain the RS6 destroying the M5 in every category?

1st place: Audi RS6 Avant
5-litres V10
580 bhp
650 Nm
0-100 km/h: 4.3s
0-200 km/h: 14.1s
Vmax: 280 km/h
Oschersleben track time: 1:50.81 mins.
MSRP: 106,900 EUR


2nd place: Alpina B5 S Touring
4.4-litres V8
530 bhp
725 Nm
0-100 km/h: 4.7s
0-200 km/h: 14.9s
Vmax: 313 km/h
Oschersleben track time: 1:51.83 mins.
MSRP: 97,900 EUR

3rd place: Mercedes E 63 AMG T
6.2-litres V8
514 bhp
630 Nm
0-100 km/h: 4.7s
0-200 km/h: 15.6s
Vmax: limited to 250 km/h (300 km/h optional)
Oschersleben track time: 1:53.63 mins.
MSRP: 100,992 EUR


4th place: BMW M5 Touring
5.0-litres V10
507 bhp
520 Nm
0-100 km/h: 4.9s
0-200 km/h: 16.0s
Vmax: limited to 250 km/h (305 km/h with no limiter)
Oschersleben track time: 1:55.89 mins.
MSRP: 95.000 EUR

Hard isn't it?

its hard for any of those cars to get times that SLOW i mean seriously.....i can promise you it doesnt take 500hp for the M5 to get to 60 in 4.9, and neither does it take 500+hp for the E63 to go to 60 in 4.7, not trashing the RS6 but those times are bogus, the non performance V8 models from BMW, and Mercedes can hit those times

again stop comparing times you have seen from an American magazine that USES ROLLOUT (subtract about half a second from the time if you want to compare to times with roll out) and then subtract another couple of seconds for going to 62 miles per hour. And then add a little time for the cars being wagons.

Like I said, an American magazine that tests the RS6 sedan with ROLLOUT to 60 mpg will likely get a time of under 4 seconds.

What is your point amazinIdiot?

Just because BMW is bigger and more profitable does not make it necessarily better than Audi.

Audi could sell just as many RS cars as BMW sells M, but Audi does not want to kill its residuals the way Mercedes and to a lesser extent BMW have.

Yes, Audi RS models retain their price better than BMW's M and Mercedes' AMG lines.

Audi is on a tear. Profits are soaring, products are coming left and right and sales are flying high.

1 million cars will be sold this year. Incredibly impressive.

you may want to read the AIG lease report on that FACT because i hate to inform you but AUDI in the US is bottom of the pack in resale value, they have horrendous resale values here so on top of them trying to create the whole sold out APPEARENCE by simply not producing enough cars they also dont hold their value, arent reliable, and in many cases are just something else dressed as an Audi.

Audi just leapfrogged BMW for first place in the high-performance exective class with the RS6.

Not only can the BMW M5 not accelerate as fast to 60 mph as the Audi RS6, it can't track as well either. The BMW M5 is also cheaper than Audi's RS6.

Unfortunately for BMW, if they want to stay remotely competitive against the RS6 and E63 AMG they wil be forced to turbocharge the M5.

Look at the RS6 destroy the M5 to 100 km/hr by 1.9 seconds.

I am sure BMW will respond with a better M5, but then Audi will already be well on its way to a much improved new RS6.

The cycle continues and surely BMW will put Audi in second place with the new M5, but not as much as Audi has put the M5 in second place with the current RS6.

Audi is going to put the M5 back in its place in another 6 years when the next RS6 comes out

Oh dear, more tedious amazingBimmer vs GermanNut arguments....

Now all we need is a 'MercLover' persona to make this a three-way....

this site just got funnier...

as your posting times show you sure have a lot of time on your hands around noon and 5pm for an ibanker...i have a few buddies working on the street and i can't get a hold of them until 10pm if i'm lucky. hell, i'm not an ibanker and i still work through lunch and past 5pm...then again, i'm sure you hopped in your M5 and cruised over to the hamptons for the week. lol

Puhhlease....amazinIdiot. Audi's RS6 Avant just destroyed BMW's M5 Touring by almost a full 2 seconds to 100 km/hr. The RS6 also dominated the BMW M5 around the track. The Audi RS6 also dominated the BMW M5 in the price category.

There is nothing left to say. Audi's RS6 is clearly a better all-around performer than BMW's M5 and it comes at a higher price too.