2009 CTS- V Blisters Nurburgring

amazinBimmer, America is the fat lazy workers that sent man to the moon and got him back safe and it was the Germans that didn't.

I guess the Germas were to lazy.

Mr. "AmazingBimmer"... You sound uneducated based on your english skills and therefore cannot be taken seriously... try your hardest and the most you could ever make is a popsicle bird house at best... go back to school and do something with your life or at least learn to spell... either way you're still a douche

aww, bimmer fanboy so jealous because something made from "fat lazy american workers" actually beat his M5. work on your grammar skills! YOU FAIL.

I agree except for the lazy americans and loser corvette part.

i think it looks very nice, interior is pleasing and well put together.
but are you sure its actually made here in america, not in canada or mexico? i hope its made here, since so many gm and ford's are made in canada and mex.

p.s. i dont like the cts-v coupe. just the sedan.

EL34 said something intelligent and witty. Wow.

actually, EL34, you should read history a little more. The NASA program that sent a man to the moon was headed by German Engineers. Just a little side note for you. Lets not get carried away with German v. US.

I hate to admit it, but uncountable numbers of very major and preeminent politicians, physicist, astronomers, chemists, geneticist, engineer, banker, writer, philosopher who are recognized as Americans were actually born in Germany and became American converts. I mean if you have any idea of science and inventions, almost all of the major inventions in the fields have been made by either Germans/Eastern Europeans who migrated to US, or American of German/Eastern European Descent. I can list, hundreds of such personalities, but following are some of them: Dankmar Adler, Felix Adler, Josef Albers, Hannah Arendt, Walter Baade, Das Bauhaus, Emile Berliner, Albert Einstein, Henry Kissinger, Hans Albrecht Bethe and many others.

You see America has money and it buys foreign brainpower(indirectly, by giving them a physically and economically secured life, and i am certainly not saying that is a bad thing, but rather that is what America is the Champion of immigrant, me being one, and it is this generosity of the American nation that has made it the symbol of freedom and happiness for many immigrants like me who faced harsh economic struggles back at my home country, i have tremendous respect and love for America for what it has given me).

But the point is, American people can not claim patriotic remarks like "We Americans are the best because we have invented most of the major scientific inventions, philosophical contents, and have some of the best works in Art, and Music", and they can not make those remarks in it's true essence, because almost all of those achievements are accomplished by Foreign scientists, or phisopher, or artists(and often times than not of German/Eastern European origin or descent). But that's the way America is, it is the country of immigrants, and greatly, Americans take such immigrants to be of their own lot.

It's good to see an American car finally come around. I knew we could do it. GM can use it!

YOUR STATEMENT YOU WOULD NOT BUY A AMERICAN CAR BECAUSE OF THE FAT, LAZY, OVER PAID AMERICAN WORKER!!!! IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO YOUR FELLOW AMERICAN.

WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU????????

ALSO SINCE WHEN DID THE IMPORTS BECOME NON-PROFIT??? AND WHEN DID THE IMPORT AUTO WORKERS START WORKING FOR FREE????

ODD, I ALSO HAVE HEARD THAT SO MANY IMPORTS ARE MADE HERE IN THE GOOD OLD USA!!!!!

SO YOU MAY NOT WANT TO BUY A IMPORT EITHER SINCE IT MAY BE BUILT BY ONE OF THOSE FAT, LAZY, OVER PAID AMERICAN WORKERS!!!!

TO AMAZINBIMMER It takes one to know one you must be that FAT, LAZY, AMERICAN WORKER THAT YOU ARE REFERING TO!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe you should learn to type correctly before you start bashing

his anger got the best of him, i guess.

should be an excellent sport sedan, but some pictures have it with a roll cage, not stock for sure so no point of comparing the time to other competitors

EL34, theoretically speaking, it was the germans who were behind your space missions for around 40 years and did also the moonwalk journey. Under american flag... If I am very exaggerating of course. But we know who what the lead man behind all those missions, right?

Re Cadillac, from eu point of view, I kinna like it, it does represent america in its core and what is capable of. But years of lagging behind european premiums and even japanese, still show. And outside of the states, we still wont be seeing a lot of this car. Probably a shame, but also probably realistic consequence of ignoring what the premium world wants or just a consequence of incapability of GM to produce world class leading car. Myself, unless its 30 % cheaper than Audi, Bmw, Mercedes, I would not even consider buying one. Perhaps it should align itself against the Alfa Romeo (in europe)? From price point of view of course.

The Germans were not behind out space program or the atomic bomb program, because it that was true then the Germans would have created those programs before us.

Remember, automobiles are low tech for the most part.

That acutally isn't true at all. von Braun and his cohorts did contribute, but it was primarily in the form of V2 rocket engines as a 1st stage. JPL's avionics and navigation system of the time was far superior to that developed by the Germans.

In some cases, von Braun was excluded from projects on purpose- which frankly did delay things. The launch of Explorer I for example. Eisenhower wanted a more peaceful rocket that was to carry America' first satellite into orbit and stated von Braun was not to be part of it. JPL's Jupiter rocket's first stage was essentially a V2- so he wouldn't use it. So he entrusted the Army to build the Vanguard Rocket to do the job - von Braun was part of the Army department but was not allowed to contribute. After repreted failures of the Vanguard and pressure to get the job done, they did use the Jupiter Rocket.

The U.S. could have beat Russia's Sputnik into orbit had this not been done.

Great machine, but I highly doubt it will be able to keep that record for long.

True, automobiles are low tech for most parts, but still, ze zermans were behind US space missions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

wikipedia? are you for real? lol

They helped us put the rest of the puzzle together we also had thousand's of Americans behind these projects......

It is too bad that Nurburgring has become some kind of rite of passage or prize fish for Cadillac. I wonder if they really believe that hanging out there will overcome the imagery of old people doddering around in carriage roofed, golded up Barritz-mobiles with Lark scooters hanging off the back bumper.

Yeah, I guess every other manufacturer of performance cars doesn't know how lame the Nordschleife has become for proving the mettle of their cars. Get a clue. This is the standard of the world for Cadillac and all others to show their stuff.

09CTSVforMe, I don't question the cars. There is no doubt that the new generation of Cadillacs are able and willing.

My comment was more illustrative of the marketing vacuum that uses fast cars going around Nurburgring in one corner of the showroom while still installing carriage roofs, gold emblem packages and white-walls in the other.

Cadillac needs to decide who they are, stick with it, and FORCE their dealers to quit praddling to the Sun City set.

lexus, I am not really sure if you guys are joking, but I believe the whole world pretty much knows that the space program was ran by imported nazi scientists, with von Braun the main figure and later on the main spokesman for USA space programme .

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9016273/Wernher-von-Braun

http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/vonbraun/bio.html

What about the fat lazy Germans that lost WWII?

tsk. tsk. tsk.

'My english skills are excellent as are my driving, taste and money making skills.'

Ha!
You wouldn't know taste if it slapped you in the face. Do you really think you're that special because you've made a bit of money and own a ten year old M5? You're a big nothing, a nobody, a soulless yuppie with more money than class, taste or sense.

And of course, your amazing English skills forgot to capitalise 'English'.

so amazinbimmer always brags about him having money when he drives an E39 M5?

You can't even afford a base 1.6 Audi A3 or BMW 116i for the money you pay for a 10 year old M5 overhere.

Who builds your beloved Z4's and X5's dumba$$?

STFU already, you bigot! You're a disgrace to BMW fans and anything else you're associated with.

The American worker is the hardest worker that there is on this planet. We have the least amount of federal holidays and the average American only averages app. 12 days paid vacation per year compared to Europe who receive 30-40 days per year and most don't even work a 40 hour work week....Fat and lazy my ass.....

I'm usually the first to poke fun at America, but American workers are (I believe) the most productive in the world. They work hard, have good skills and don't even take much holiday (3 weeks paid is the norm in Britain, higher in France). I say well done to American workers.

You are a classless, ignorant miscreant. Nobody on this site respects you, so I don't know why you still come here. Go take your M5 and shove it.

AMAZINBIMMER your comments are full of s**t just like your brains....................

"What about the fat lazy Germans that lost WWII?"

Considering it was basically Germany against the rest of the world, they still put up a hell of a fight and if it wasn't for the Russians then the Germans would have won it.

Back on topic
CTS looks alright from the outside, havn't seen one in person to voice my proper opinion.

"...it wasn't for the Russians then the Germans would have won it."

Certinly the Russian influence on the downfall of Hitler is underestimated, but to say that the war would have turned out differently is a folly of thought. Had Germany not surrendered in May, and the war contined to August (likely), the United States would have dropped atomic weapons on Germany. The policy was, even with Japan to annihilate cities until unconditaional surrender was met. Although, the Soviet invasion of Manchuria is often inappropriatly overlooked.

Contrary to the information of our poorly informed histoy teachers of childhood, Germany was not even developing an atomic weapon. Although the allies believed they were, the Germans did an analysis in June of 1942, stating that the project was not to be pursued, and that it was an entirely theoretical endeavor that would cost too much.

In fact, Japan was clower to the development of an atomic weapon than was Germany- they had perfomed some small scale experiments but were years away from any thing substantial.

That is not to say, necesarily that the Allies certainly woudl have won. Just that it is like predicting the future- it is a fool's endeavor.

People need to know that America,Germany,Japan and most likely Russia were all working to develope the Atom bomb and towards the end Germany and Japan were working together on development, we (USA) put the puzzle together first. If Germany and Japan had beaten us to the punch they would have used it on us and the entire world would be much different today....

Are you familiar with the name Werner Heisenberg?

ja,ich kann leasen,,,und???

LOL.

The false pretense of the so-preceived hidden knowledge of language.

Incidentally, last I knew "read" was "lesen" auf Deutsche.

no I am not pretending 22 out of my 25 years in Europe have been in Germany you ass,,,,,,,

Your understanding of the english language is less than adequate. Read it again.

How about this shut the fu,, up !!

LOL. Is this the typical method you choose to employ when dealing with others? I can't imagine it would be very effective.

no, your just getting on my nerves, go grade someone else......

So serious...

such a nerd,,,,

The CTS-V dominating the sport sedan class is no surprise to anyone who can open their eyes and acknowledge the success of the 1st generation, and how Cadillac has positioned this generation for continuing that success.

It is not a mistake that it is compared to (and outperforming) BOTH the M3 and M5. It is not a mistake that the release timing is counteracting the Germans. It is not a mistake that this car will hold it's own against any objective comparison in the world. It is not a mistake that morons like amazinbimmer will get their a$$es handed to them by a CTS-V this time around, just like the last generation of V superiority over M's.

Now bring me my CTS-V Coupe, please!

"The CTS-V dominating the sport sedan class is no surprise to anyone who can open their eyes and acknowledge the success of the 1st generation"

Huh?

This new V looks fantastic, it's really up there with the M5, E63 and RS6 in terms of speed/desirability, but where is the truth in that statement?

The last-gen CTS-V was a cool car, no doubt, but I've never seen it win a comparison test. It lost to the M3, RS4 and C55 AMG on numerous occasions.

Also, if this new one will be about $70K, where does that leave the underpowered, huge, similarly priced STS-V?

All I am trying to say there is that the 1st Gen CTS-V outperformed all Sedans when it was released. Cadillac's timing of release against the M's, AMG's, and R's cycle allows them to leapfrog the performance standards.

The V lost comparisons overall for perception of the interior and build quality, etc. Valid opinions. But it did outperform the class at that time and bring Caddy to a new level in that regard. If people like amazinbigot would get his head out of his a$$ and acknowledge that BMW is indeed outperformed by other brands, the 2nd Gen V would get the repect it deserves and it would not be a surprise if it (again) outperforms all other sport sedans.

"look at that hoosier with that stupid cheap american car. Doesnt he make enough money to buy the BMW or AMG. Doesn't he have enough class to understand that supercharged 5.5 Liter making only 550HP using dated pushrod technology from 1969 is something only a hoosier woudl love?. doens the understand that the fat cheeseburger eating americans on the line at GM make cars with panel gaps bigger than their butt crack?"

sounds like these people are ignorant, like you. most smart people know the american workforce is the most productive in the world. and BMW doesn't define class. and I spy a spelling mistake. learn to use the reply button.

oh and you're really good on being ignorant. keep it up!

Oh not to forget that the fat lazy American consumer has fed the European Automotive industry and brought them to where they are now,,,,,,,

What the hell is a "hoosier", what is your problem, and what are your panel gaps like on the BMW's built by Americans? You think people envy you because you drive a BMW? Sorry, pal. They don't.

I can afford whatever car I want, all BMW's included, and frankly they are ugly pieces of crap that somehow carry prestige with morons like you. No car is perfect...maybe the Veyron...and I am capable of seeing past brand loyalty to own the one that is the best car for the money. That is NOT a BMW in any case.

Your constant bigotry toward Americans is bull$#!t and this website should ban you.

AMERICANS BUILD BMW'S, so you clearly feel that Z4's, X3's, and X5's are pieces of crap with huge panel gaps, just like GM's, Fords, and Chryslers...oh, and all those other German and Japanese brands that are built..where? America.

I guess those Bentleys are pieces of crap too, you know...since they use old engine technology and all. Noone would envy us if we were driving those old pushrod engines around....nope...noone at all.

Get a clue, loser.

Beemers are great cars but have always been associated with yuppie scum.

amazinbimmer ALL YOU TALK ABOUT IS MAKING ALOT OF MONEY, most people that do make alot of money do not bragg about making alot of money. You must be a want a be!!!!!

You must be one of those valet parkers that you worry about laughing at you because of what you drive! if you really had alot of money you would not worry about people laughing at you!! YOU FAKE!!!

You probabley live in a 1 bedroom apt and pay $400. a month in rent and pay 700.00 a month for your car so you can pull up in your m-5 to impress the valet.......

You are a in-secure Ass......

wow! great car!

cadillac is really on a roll with the CTS.

to come back on the subject of that specific Caddy, I like it, O like the fact that GM is coming back, this, the Malibu, the Pontiac G8, the CTS-coupe should be fantastic.
As far as the title of "blistering", not sure about that, othe ing is a long track and even if 7'59" is a great time, there are other sedan close or faster. RS4 has been clocked at 7'53", that's for mister amaizingidiot, because it is faster than his beloved M5, M6 and what ever bucket of plastic he likes.
Keep in mind that a few years back, some regular dude, on stock tyres and pads, run a 8'29" with a RS6 Avant. Audi has run their Q7 V12 Tdi (the all 5600lbs of it) around the same time.
I am just saying to put things in perspective. Because over 21km, 30 sec. is not much, anybody that has raced knows that and knows what I mean.

LOL...Fan Boy wars!!! Cadillac is coming back. We'll see if GM can keep it going strong. Even BMW/MB fans have to agree that the CTS-V MPG is way better than any German auto in its class with equal performance! The PushRods of today is light years ahead than the pushrods of yesterday. BMW makes great engines no doubt and I believe they are better than the PushRods from a valve perspective but I will never underestimate the PRs potential.

We all have our opinions but to purposely try to piss people off is the lowest form of communication.

I hesitate to comment following these fugitives from Leno's Jaywalkers but in the old days, like the 1940s and 1950s, I was in love with Cadillac, the self-proclaimed "Standard of the World", couldn't afford it but aspired to it someday. Well, the world changed and GM's arrogance turned it into a junk-pile and the Japanese, Germans and others all ran over GM. As to the American worker, there is not much question that they are as good as the others, as witness Toyota, Honda, Subaru and Mazda vehicles built in the US and Canada.
I am amazed to see the new Cadillac sedan is a "performance" vehicle - it never was in the old days and never was intended to be. All I can say is good on them but I will never buy it and the question is will anybody buy a 550 hp gas-guzzler with today's gas prices?

You could drive it on the weekend.

brioboy...you assume that a high horsepower engine is a gas guzzler. My 05 CTS-V has a 400 HP engine that consistently gets 24-25 mpg on the highway. I get 16 in the city because my driving is quite "spirited". The 09 CTS-V is expected to get over 20 MPG on the highway and probably something like 14 MPG in the city. Besides, a 30 MPG car isn't necessarily what it's cracked up to be. I used to have a 1.5L Toyota hatchback that got 30 MPG and chicks laughed at me like I was that dude on the FreeCreditReport.com commercials. I sold that car and bought a Corvette. Less that 20 MPG, but I was getting laid by Hot Chicks. I'll take a nice Red 09 CTS-V over a Prius any day of the week. I'll recycle some newspaper and aluminum cans to clear my conscience.