Can The 2009 CTS-V Steal Everyone's Thunder With 12.0 Second Quarter Mile Performance?

Two words really:

Holy @#$%!

When I read this earlier this morning I was so surprised that I inhaled most of my Earl Grey and had to spend the next 10 minutes coughing it out of my lungs.

The greatest part is this: They are not done.

They have just managed to make me thoroughly impatient to see a CTS-V Coupe.

I'm with CDOKE, I am very interested in the Coupe in V trim...

You can say that again!!! Here's the new release with more info on it!!!

http://www.pressportal.com.au/news/289/ARTICLE/2377/2008-06-12.html

you must desperately need attention

you must desperately need attention

Where have you been the past year?

The CTS was born on the Nurburgring. If that dosen't give you a handling pedigree...well then nothing will.

Whatthe, I believe BMWdvr's response was to Staar, not to you. Stop taking this crap so personally. For instance, don't say anything here that you wouldn't say to someone's face. "You stay classy, San Diego."

Wow ...I said Gay on time on the site and I got deleted. WHatte is saying bitch over and over again and nothin!!!
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wow..serious performance..and it also lapped the ring in less than 8 minutes!!! so it can definitely turn.

Go stars and stripes!!!

I have an ISF. I don't mind. I still have a Lexus.

Is this back to the future or what?

With all this high-power Detroit metal coming out right in the middle of high gas prices seems vaguely reminiscent of the 1970's. I remember my old man selling off his muscle car and buying (gulp!) a Honda Civic. Sad day.

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AMERICA--FVCK YEA!!!!!

(cts-v)COMIN' AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHER-FVCKIN DAY YEAH!

For the folks who have the money, owning a big powerful car or truck will not be a big deal. Too bad for people only making minimum wage or non-college grads, your days of owning and operating a vehicle in the US are coming to an end. Gas will continue to creep up in price with no short term fixes available. If you want to play, you got to PAY!

don't u worry about the badge whores. They can still SHARE the $399 lease special on BMW128i, the Ultimate Carpool Machine.

I'd like a CTS-V Estate please.

i'll take one of the coupes when they come out

The C63 did 0-60 in 3.9s with 100hp less. but that put america back on the map.

C63 doesn't do 0-60 in 3.9. Where did you get that from?

C&D got it to 60 in 3.9, 1/4 mile in 12.3

This car will be unreal. Will the horsepower war ever end?

hope not

NO!!

Right there with the C63 AMG in performance. Nice!

Much more than the C63 if those numbers are correct. Although I think I would still get the C63 this CTS-V is a car to be respected!. Cadillac has definitely done it with the 2nd generation CTS. I love it and it's definitely giving the Europeans and the IS-F a run for their money.

The IS-F? The IS-F never had any money to begin with.

As far as I know the CTS is an entry level sedan. There are the STS and DTS model ranges.

The STS is the size of a BMW 7 Series and is generally uncompetitive. The CTS stretches over two classes. The only real competition for this car, performance-wise and size-wise, will be the RS6 sedan if that comes out.

Was I not right about the CTS being Cadillac's entry level luxury sedan?

S4 i completely disagree and that is not often. The M3 is a competitor to this car ... Dont forget that the M5 either

M3 0 to 60 4.1 and 1/4 mile 12.6 with manual and not dual clutch which will make the car faster

M5 0 to 60 4.1 and 1/4 mile 12.24

lets wait and see what the actual numbers prove out to be before judging this car and what the estimated figures are. Last time alot of people did that with the IS-F and look what happened when that car actually faced off against the M3, C63.

Agent63, I'd consider my Ford Focus to be an "entry level" sedan.

The CTS is Cadillac's entry level sedan. I see a significant difference in "level".

I see...you added "luxury sedan" in your second reply...

holy crap!

this is INSANE acceleration and speed from a sedan.

go cadillac!

What?

huh? what are you talking about?

Nevermind this character Staar. He just likes to start flame wars, talk nonsense because he can't afford any cars that are ever mentioned on this website. Words of the envy.

Let's not forget that this is what Cadillac CLAIMS. I'm waiting for the real world numbers before coming to a conclusion.

What is wrong with you? Why can't you just get excited about something that isn't a BMW? Who cares if it's a Cadillac when it's this good?

The CTS-V is for sure an interesting vehicle. But he has a point here, Cadillac claimed lots for the old CTS-V, but I don't remember a single magazine actually achieving those prvevious claims.

That's why it will be interesting if anyone can match the claims for this CTS-V.

One point:

The old CTS-V had 400hp.

This CTS-V has 552hp.

Not to mention Cadillac's more recent track record.

s4cabrio,

no, what's wrong with you? The only thing I said is that I will wait to hear from another source(than the manufacturer) that those numbers are real. I don't see a problem with that. I already said the car is nice but I cannot say is the second coming just based on numbers released by Cadillac. Ultimately, even if the numbers match there is a lot more to a car than numbers. The old CTS-V had really good numbers too but it was not even close in overall driving experience to the M3 or RS4. Numbers are not everything and I expected you to know better. This feels almost like deja vu if I remember correctly what happened at the release of the old CTS-V. People were saying exactly the same things.
Well, they were proved wrong. Is just not enough to make a faster car. In order to succeed you need to make a BETTER car.
Again this Cadillac is a monster and it sure impresses with the performance stats but I really, really doubt that is going to be a better car than a C63 AMG or M3. Faster doesn't equal better and I personally take the better car over the faster car any day.

"When the first Cadillac CTS-V arrived as a 2004 model with an LS6 Corvette Z06 V8, Cadillac claimed the car could accelerate to 60 mph in 4.6 seconds. Theoretically, this might have been possible, but we (like every other publication we know of) were unable to get the car to 60 mph in under 5 seconds. The car had such violent wheel hop at launch that the exhaust pipes thwacked the bodywork and any driver with a shred of mechanical sympathy would back out of the throttle for fear of leaving a smoking pile of rear-end parts at the starting line.

As we recall, Cadillac wailed about insufficient driving skills on the part of media testers and questioned testing methods when reports of wheel hop and slower-than-advertised acceleration runs came out five years ago. Now, Mikels says casually, "I don't know how you couldn't get wheel hop from the old car." Thanks."

Gentlemen , I prefer german cars, but I belive in numbers and those numbers told me that the performance of the CTS V is the best, not only runs faster if not also turns better than ANY germans rivals. Better than any AMG, RS or M car. 7:59. Still, I prefer the C63 and a lot of people will prefer the M3 or M5 or RS4 or RS6 over it, and in that case I am talking about emotions. Congratulations Cadillac, you are in the right path.

Not trying to bash, but I didn't see where this car will have the 100K warranty. Automakers usually don't put those types of warranties on their high-performance models. But if the CTS-V does have that warranty, all the better. The car's numbers look extremely potent. What will the Germans do to top it? Can they run with it in the same price range?

So what then GM's known for using rich expensive plastics? What a joke get out of here.

On another note if these performance numbers are true, you wouldn't be able to talk me into an M5, E63, S6, or even the RS6 sedan (When available) over this thing!

million times better and less complicated than the M5.

How did you reach that conclusion? Just from reading the Cadillac press release? Did you drive both the M5 and the CTS-V and concluded that the Cadillac is better?.......I thought so.
So you just rant about things you don't know anything about like most of the imbeciles that think that having Internet access makes you a specialist in any domain.
What kind of idiot would believe that overnight Cadillac just became a better car maker than BMW and Mercedes. All we KNOW is that this car has a lot of horsepower. None of us drove it and based on the history of this model nobody should expect miracles. CTS-V had more horsepower than BMW and Mercedes before and still lost all the comparisons.
I'm not saying that this Cadillac is not a good car because it would be wrong, but some people here make claims(based on zero time at the wheel of either cars) that are borderline retarded.

actually, it would be crazy for anybody to not give the CTS a 1st look. if you don't know what I mean by better, I mean exterior, interior wise. and I took a drive on a cts. AND it doesn't need that sequential shift w/e its called which doesn't make the car any fun. and yes the cts v lost because of its interior materials. its performance is from the corvettes engine. no one said cadillac, as a whole was a better car maker than BMW or mercedes. I just said it was better because its interior and exterior stands out and with the raw power it makes, it definetly has potential.

Are you saying that pushrod technology from the Corvette is better than the unbelievable high-tech engines used in the M BMWs? Are you for real? Make sure you never spew something like that in public.

whats wrong with its pushrod engines? does it matter if its high-tech? that makes things complicated. they make about as much power as BMWs V10. they're lighter and compact and can makes wads of power. unlike BMW having a supercar, chevy has one in its corvette which gives it better fuel economy.

Did you just call a pushrod....a supercar????? I think we are done here. Have fun.

Yeah, Star...those supercar Bentley's are crap because they use pushrod engines, too, I guess.

Funny how when it's a Bentley, it is called heritage, and when it is GM, it is called crap.

You guys are just irritated that you have to pay so much for all that "technology" just to get you butts handed to you by "old tech" pushrods.

Seriously, at a car show, who walks up to a car and says, "WOW! Look at the technology in that engine!"?

Who reads a car magazine and looks for the technology in the engine before looking at the 0-60 and 1/4 miles times/mph?

If you want to pay for it, great, knock yourself out...but you can't deny the "old tech" works fine in everything from Camaros to Corvettes to Cadillacs to Bentley's.

I can just hear it now, when I beat all those M3's and M5's in my '04 CTS-V.

Passenger; "Wow, that Cadillac just beat you!"

Driver; "Yeah, but he's got an old pushrod in there."

Passenger; "Oh, well, that's cool then...good job losing to an old engine."

lol

I think that would be the dialog between a boy racer douche-bag and his douche-bag passenger. People who buy supercars don't have anything to prove. Like I said faster doesn't equal better. Enthusiasts buy cars engineered to be the BEST drivers not the fastest. We are not all boy racers.

My point was is that that would not be the conversation anyone would have.

Nice job, now you'll have all the BMW M drivers ticked at you for pigeonholing them as "boy racers."

If you statement re: enthusiasts were true, we'd all be driving Lotuses (Loti? : ). If fast isn't a significant part of enthusiast purchases, then why are we even debating whether a 556hp car is better than a 500hp car?

Don't kid yourself, the CTS-V is more than just fast. Drive one, you would probably like it!

Of course fast is always part of the equation in this segment but we should agree that there is more to a car than just going fast. The BMW M3 is slower than the C63 AMG but is still the car that offers the most thrilling driving experience. Numbers are not everything and you probably know that.
I'm not here to criticise Cadillac since I am actually a fan of the brand but I cannot make an absurd claim like "the new CTV-S is better than the M3 and C63 AMG" just based on the numbers released by Cadillac, like ignorant people do. Do you understand what I mean?

I never said that is imposible for the new CTS-V to beat BMW and Mercedes, I only said that based on the history of this specific model I have doubts that they could beat the Germans and that I reserve my FINAL verdict... after I test drive the Cadillac.
Sincerely, I hope the Cadillac is better. It would be insane for a car enthusiast to not wish that somebody would make even a better car than the M or AMG divisions.

It lost comparos due to perception of the interior materials, not the performance. The 1st gen V outperformed all sport sedans when it came out, and I'll put my $$$ up against anyone betting against a repeat performance. You can see the aesthetic improvements in the regular CTS and the shows cars (V and Coupe), so I can't wait for the new round of comparos.

I'll take mine with 2 doors, TYVM.

amazing considering this car weighs more than two tons. id like to see the estimated mpg =)

The CTS seems positioned between the 3 and 5 series. I have yet to see a comparison between the CTS and the 5. That being said I think the CTS is a good effort (for a company that was only making cars my grandfather would love) just a couple of years ago.