The Good The Bad And the Ugly - Who Will Rise And Who Will Fall In 2008?

The Good The Bad And the Ugly - Who Will Rise And Who Will Fall In 2008?
Unless you have been hiding under a rock for the last 6 months, you know by now that 2008 has been brutal for the automakers.  In the first half of the year only 7 manufacturers can show any progress against last years sales pace.  In fact only 1 in the top five in sales volume for 2008 have beaten the sales figures for last year.  The remaining 4 are posting double digit declines for June, and 3 of these are in double digit declines for the year as well.

Chaos is seeming to prevail, because is now common for brands perceived as  benchmarks, being routinely out performed by what were laughingly considered the 98lb weaklings of the class.  

Case in point may be either KIA or Mazda’s performance over the first six months in contrast to mega giant Toyota.   Both of these manufacturers are up for the year while Toyota is in decline.  Who would have ever thought that?  

We won’t even touch on the U.S. automakers many weaknesses; however, it is safe to say the decline of the SUV in its current state is over. Even though the automakers could have easily seen the fall of this dinosaur, many of the executive failed to take action. Those without the foresight are now paying the price. 

The luxury market for one is now in shambles, currently only Rolls Royce and Mercedes Benz have posted positive gains on the year.  Maybe more alarming would be the disturbing slide of Lexus into the abyss.  I mentioned this a few months back and predicted the trend would continue for Lexus until complete new models would be brought to market.  Those that failed to believe me at that time may now fully see the truth. Lexus fell almost 30% last month based on unadjusted figures.  In contrast the perpetual underdog Audi with a relatively fresh lineup posted a 5.3% increase for the same period.  Talk about the 98 pound weakling!  

If you look at the table below you will see two parallel trends emerging.  Path one and probably the most important for now is just how balanced the manufacturer is with economical vehicles.  Path number two is maybe how fresh the lineup is.  Basically if you were heavy into SUVs or were milking the last bit cash out of an older lineup, you were caught with your pants down.  

How will 2008 finally pan out?  I not sure at this time, however I see GM starting to level off in 2008, Ford for me is an unknown, however Chrysler seems to be at a point of no return.  With no new models planned and no money to develop them, they will have to rely on rebadging other maker’s wares.  I can easily seeing them losing 50% of their sales with this philosophy.  We might as well roll out the gurney for Chrysler, because it is already over. 

Will Toyota survive?  Certainly so, however 2008 will not be kind to them. A lack of new models will not drawn the ever reluctant buyers into the showroom. Lexus is an odd ball in this scenario; it certainly is looking like the “reliability” factor is no longer coming into play.  Maybe the consumers are becoming more aware that this perception is based on more on factors other than actual breakdowns.  Either way Lexus must have new models in the pipeline soon or their performance will remain dismal for the remainder of the year.  The competition simply has too many new models coming to market to slice away what were once Lexus customers. 

Now it is your turn to take a look at the brutal truth below and make your predictions for the rest of the year.  I know you all have them, I'll take my notes and we can all compare in three months and then again in six more.

 

 

 

 

 

  Jun 2008

  Jun 2007

%Chng.

2008 CYTD

2007 CYTD

%Chng.

1

GM

265,937

324,920

-18.15%

1,604,942

1,916,029

-16.24%

 

Chevrolet

159,998

186,474

-14.20%

964,665

1,141,796

-15.51%

 

GMC

30,713

40,457

-24.08%

197,220

241,202

-18.23%

 

Pontiac

28,402

33,683

-15.68%

152,754

175,425

-12.92%

 

Saturn

18,912

21,686

-12.79%

102,205

125,621

-18.64%

 

Cadillac

14,337

16,647

-13.88%

88,709

97,691

-9.19%

 

Buick

9,631

16,519

-41.70%

71,163

90,183

-21.09%

 

Hummer

2,072

5,093

-59.32%

16,158

27,108

-40.39%

 

Saab

1,872

4,361

-57.07%

12,068

17,003

-29.02%

2

Toyota USA

193,234

245,739

-21.37%

1,240,086

1,331,074

-6.84%

 

Toyota

172,981

216,870

-20.24%

1,103,375

1,170,872

-5.76%

 

Lexus

20,253

28,869

-29.85%

136,711

160,202

-14.66%

3

FOMOCO

174,091

242,029

-28.07%

1,155,241

1,347,349

-14.26%

 

Ford

145,715

204,303

-28.68%

979,571

1,125,016

-12.93%

 

Lincoln

9,718

12,494

-22.22%

56,894

73,333

-22.42%

 

Mercury

11,657

15,660

-25.56%

72,595

95,192

-23.74%

 

Volvo

7,001

9,572

-26.86%

46,181

53,808

-14.17%

4

Chrysler LLC

117,457

183,347

-35.94%

867,826

1,113,093

-22.03%

 

Dodge

63,687

91,089

-30.08%

459,096

574,223

-20.05%

 

Chrysler

27,128

47,658

-43.08%

207,194

291,728

-28.98%

 

Jeep

26642

44600

-40.26%

201536

247142

-18.45%

5

Honda N.A.

142,454

140,935

1.08%

798,273

766,929

4.09%

 

Honda

130,083

124,169

4.76%

720,444

675,389

6.67%

 

Acura

12,371

16,766

-26.21%

77,829

91,540

-14.98%

6

Nissan N.A.

75,847

92,213

-17.75%

522,321

535,380

-2.44%

 

Nissan

66,543

81,655

-18.51%

460,452

471,584

-2.36%

 

Infiniti

9,304

10,558

-11.88%

61,869

63,796

-3.02%

7

Hyundai

50,033

49,368

1.35%

231,066

236,595

-2.34%

8

Volkswagen A.G.

31,626

31,226

1.28%

162,174

162,847

-0.41%

 

Volkswagen

23,208

23,137

0.31%

115,523

114,880

0.56%

 

Audi

8,203

7,789

5.32%

45,023

45,711

-1.51%

 

Bentley

215

300

-28.33%

1,628

2,256

-27.84%

9

BMW N.A.

26,183

29,418

-11.00%

158,137

164,490

-3.86%

 

BMW

20,944

25,220

-16.95%

131,513

144,579

-9.04%

 

Mini

5,211

4,174

24.84%

26,400

19,759

33.61%

 

Rolls Royce

28

24

16.67%

224

152

47.37%

10

Kia

28,292

26,288

7.62%

157,619

154,392

2.09%

11

Mazda

23,771

25,761

-7.72%

153,141

152,683

0.30%

12

Mercedes Benz N.A.

19,595

19,619

-0.12%

119,410

118,420

0.84%

 

Mercedes Benz

19,584

19,604

-0.10%

119,342

118,330

0.86%

 

Maybach

11

15

-26.67%

68

90

-24.44%

13

Subaru

18,007

17,108

5.25%

94,095

90,068

4.47%

14

Suzuki

9,785

10,325

-5.23%

56,244

57,488

-2.16%

15

Mitsubishi

7,494

13,014

-42.42%

53,883

70,357

-23.41%

16

Jaguar/Rover N.A. LLC

3,560

5,570

-36.09%

24,873

31,303

-20.54%

 

Land Rover

2,200

4,160

-47.12%

16,492

22,842

-27.80%

 

Jaguar

1,360

1,410

-3.55%

8,381

8,461

-0.95%

17

Porsche

2,650

3,267

-18.89%

15,086

17,859

-15.53%

18

SMART

2,545

0

N/A

11,399

0

N/A

19

Isuzu

364

676

-46.15%

3,338

3,777

-11.62%

20

Maserati

213

178

19.66%

1,353

1,169

15.74%

21

Ferrari

122

134

-8.96%

830

864

-3.94%

 

TOTAL SALES

1,193,260

1,461,135

-18.33%

7,431,337

8,272,166

-10.16%

 

 

 



aarononymousaarononymous - 7/2/2008 2:37:07 PM
+2 Boost
best movie ever


ShredmoShredmo - 7/2/2008 3:26:09 PM
+5 Boost
Audi and Subaru are fairing well because of their quality AWD cars. IMO, there is a lot of utility offered in both of these brands. They get similar mileage using AWD technology that their competitors get using 2wd. This is a great cure to the SUV hangover.


Agent009Agent009 - 7/2/2008 3:36:31 PM
+3 Boost
And the actually are selling cars people want is another facet to look at. This is something Ford, GM, and Chrysler overlook.


ShredmoShredmo - 7/2/2008 3:52:11 PM
+2 Boost
IMO, this is very true.


Agent009Agent009 - 7/2/2008 3:39:55 PM
+3 Boost
Well Toyota and Scion sales are always combined, so it is three brands. However if you combine Chevrolet, GMC, and Saturn you get about the same.


AudiphileAudiphile - 7/2/2008 3:38:02 PM
+1 Boost
I was just glancing at some of the luxury and super-luxury sales figures. Some interesting notes.

Jaguar sales are down only slightly from last year. Apparently the sleek new XF is the saviour of that beleaguered brand.

BMW sales are down significantly, but Mercedes-Benz sales are virtually flat. Apparently SUV sales are more important to BMW than to Mercedes. Anybody else have a better explanation?

Now on to the super-luxury segment. Rolls-Royce sales are up significantly, while Bentley and Maybach sales are down significantly. One would think anybody who can afford cars this expensive would be impervious to economic troubles or high gas prices. What gives?

The same could be said for high-end sports car makers. Poor Cayenne (SUV) sales probably are the reason for the Porsche sales slump. But can anyone explain why Maserati sales would be up significantly while Ferrari sales are down?






AudiphileAudiphile - 7/2/2008 5:04:50 PM
+1 Boost
I think that I might have found solutions to my questions about Bentley, Maybach & Rolls-Royce.

Bentley sales have been up every year since 2004, with a 20% increase in 2007 alone. No one can keep up that kind of pace forever in a mature market, thus a "cooling-off period" would be inevitable. Also, this marque is selling so much better than its competitors that the Bentley cachet could be diminished if sales didn't cool off a little.

While Bentley sells a few thousand cars annually, Rolls-Royce sells only a few hundred cars, and Maybach sells significantly less than Rolls. It could be that Rolls and Maybach sales are so small that a change of maybe 80-100 vehicles would create a huge percentage change in sales.

Maybach also has its own unique set of problems, the biggest one being that the Maybach name is unknown to anyone other than auto history buffs. Thus Daimler has been forced to build this marque's cachet from ground zero, while Bentley and Rolls-Royce are well-known, prestigious marques.


DieselRulesDieselRules - 7/5/2008 1:39:22 AM
+1 Boost
RE: "Rolls-Royce sales are up significantly, while Bentley and Maybach sales are down significantly."
That means the NBA is still going strong.
If the typical RR buyer were suddenly a foot shorter, he'd be saying "would you like fries with that?"


Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 7/2/2008 3:57:21 PM
+1 Boost
Merrill Lynch says GM bankruptcy 'Not Impossible'...

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080702/gm.html?.v=3

IMO: It won't be GM. Probably Chrysler will not exist as we know it today.

I don't take satisfaction because of the jobs lost, but the Detroit 3 have been in decline for a long time.

Schumpeter's Gale of Creative Destruction is in full force. With all due respect, sometimes it is a good thing for companies to go out of existence when they no longer serve a purpose. In the long-term, it will be good for Detroit.


ShredmoShredmo - 7/2/2008 4:00:06 PM
+1 Boost
I'd like to think that GM & Toyota are going to be the measuring tool that all other makes will be judged by. Neither of them will be rising or falling respectively. Other manufacturers will be successful, or suffer a demise based on their (GM & Toyota's) future sales this year.


WorldofLuxuryWorldofLuxury - 7/2/2008 4:00:49 PM
+2 Boost
Sigh...009, you make mad that you're right x]
I am always confused about how Toyota, with its money, can't make Lexus better than it already is.

The thing is that I am such a big Lexy fan, but in the auto world, I'm just watching Mercedes and BMW coming out with all sorts of new models to spoil their fans with all sorts of things to brag about.

It's now back to the mid-90's when Lexus was suffering from a drought of new cars, killing the success they had built. If they keep doing this, they'll just keep falling short in sales, while their prices have no chances of rising and make a $225k LF-A sound reasonable.

If they kept the profitable pace, Lexus might have been well accepted by the public to be a Merc and Bimmer competitor (for both the value and the brand) with a flagship that would be better than RR, Bentley, and Maybach (think Phaeton).

Sadly, Toyota has done nearly nothing to make Lexus THE best, leaving me a dying fan w/ a '98 LS & an '03 LX. I'm just sitting in my cars, thinking about how many ways the new LS & LX could have easily been improved, despite being already very good.


ShredmoShredmo - 7/2/2008 4:15:24 PM
+1 Boost
Well, at least you are sitting on what I consider the "good ones". If I was going to have older luxury cars, I could do alot worse than owning the models you have respecitve to their model year ('98 & '03). Yours aren't really suffering from "day old bread" syndrom. All luxury makes suffer from this syndrom, only a few of their models can avoid the fate.

Please don't think I am a snob, I own a '98 GTP and '05 Forester XT.


WorldofLuxuryWorldofLuxury - 7/2/2008 4:17:53 PM
+1 Boost
Here's a summary of how Lexus models could have been better:

IS:
- the manual gear shifter looks out of place

ES:
- sleak design but so freakin' many blind spots

GS:
- the little thing under the steering wheel that slides out with all the little buttons is cool but left me a big bruise on my knee

LS:
- those little things magazine editors complained about were unexcusable

RX:
- nice design when it came out (didn't look like a highlander); spy shots of the next-gen look more so like a Venza rather than the awesome LF-Xh concept

GX:
- great seller, but Lexus obviously didn't put much effort into it

LX:
- side profile shows that its obviously an LCruiser
- inside is virtually unchanged if compared to my '03 LX

SC:
- a completely different car from its predecessor
- not really sporty
- mildly luxurious

All models:
- Rid of all buttons that identical to Toyota

I can say more, but you guys are probably more annoyed than I am. So yeah...you guys get the point. It's the little improvements that Lexus didn't take care of and now leaves them...suffering.


Agent009Agent009 - 7/2/2008 4:36:13 PM
+2 Boost
Not to be too harsh, that is the problem in general with Toyota and with many others is:

They are riding on old designs, and sufficing with minor facelifts, milking every bit out of them before a redesign. I guess this is great for profit if they sell.

Can Toyota and Lexus turn it around? Certainly!

But the scary thing I see and is of GREAT concern, is that Toyota is taking FOREVER to start a new design and bring it to market. The development curve is way off, and the competition is flat out outpacing them. To compound the issue since development times are so long, when the respective model makes it to market in many ways it is dated technology.

Look at the IS-F, close but not there. Will they spend the time and the money to make it the best? I doubt it, Lexus car have always sold well to the average buyer (notice I didn’t say discriminating) .

The LF-A has been touting 500HP for a few years. The competition already has that in station wagons on the market right now. So do you want a Halo supercar to be challenged by a wagon? A scary thought indeed for a buyer.

I have noticed as Toyota grows they become more GM in these ways. It may just be when you get to this size you have similar problems no matter who you are.

With all of that said I do have to say if ANYONE can turn it around it will be Toyota. I have great respect for how they do business and would always consider them in my car purchasing scenarios.



Agent009Agent009 - 7/2/2008 4:53:59 PM
+2 Boost
Are you saying they buyer is more educated now?


FactsRuleFactsRule - 7/2/2008 7:56:29 PM
+7 Boost
Staar,

You are such a loser and poser.. I have owned many BMW's, Lexus', MB's, Acura's, and Audi's over the years and my current car is another BMW.. I can honestly say that BMW and Audi make the finest, best quality and beautiful cars in the world.

The BMW's and Audi's have been and were flawless. Lexus sucked, Acura sucked and MB really sucked.

I can speak from experience, so what do you have to offer in the form of previous ownership and experience?

Audi's have flawless design and BMW's offer superior handling and driving pleasure with great design. BMW's back their cars with unparalled warrantys in an industry that has lost faith in their products.

You must troll these sites just to stir up SH_T with BMW owners. \

You are obviously suffering from a "Chronic Case of BMW Envy" !!!!!


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 7/2/2008 10:21:20 PM
+3 Boost
lol what a misinformed idiot...........AUDI is the one with the 399 lease deal on an A4 with 0 down....a 328i is 429 a month to lease for the record and thats not 0 due at sighning like on the "special edition" A4 lease....


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 7/2/2008 7:11:42 PM
+1 Boost
wow BMW sold almost as many cars as the entire VW group......thats amazing for a luxury car line


Agent009Agent009 - 7/3/2008 8:18:10 AM
+3 Boost
So you are saying Lexus sales are down because a better researched buyer is no longer choosing them. I guess they are opting for a more solid bet like a Merc or even an Audi.

It is amazing what you find when you peel back the layer and discover you were being milked.

Thanks for your insight, it is all very clear now... LOL


DieselRulesDieselRules - 7/5/2008 2:00:02 AM
+1 Boost
Anyone bringing out a DIESEL in the fall will see sales increases.
So watch the Q7 TDI sell-out, along with the new Jetta TDI (especially the wagon, with the giant sunroof that you can't even get in an Audi) and TDI Touareg. The A4 and A6 TDIs (when they arrive) will also sell really well.
The A8 TDI (that runs circles around an LS460h, but uses less fuel) would sell well, but Audi is too stupid to bring it here (as with VW's smaller cars, but that's another discussion)
MB will expand its CDI offerings, and hopefully offer an E-class Diesel Wagon (what their customers want ... the last year for this model was '87, and they sell on e-Bay up to 10 grand when gas-powered E-class wagons of similar vintage are sold for $30 a ton!)
If BMW releases the diesel 3-series they will also sell out.
That will be an insanely entertaining combination of performance and economy. Drivers will enjoy sick pleasure by pulling alongside a Prius at the lights, turning off the traction-control, and pulling away in a smokey burnout that the pondering hybrid can't accelerate out of! :)
The Subaru diesel Legacy, Honda diesel Accord, and Nissan's re-introduction of the diesel Maxima will beat Toyota to the party.
Toyota will continue to milk the hybrid craze as long as the EPA publishes bizarrely inaccurate figures on fuel consumption, but production figures will keep hybrids as a side-show for Hollywood and others with good intentions and more money than brains.
Meanwhile, diesel sales will go mainstream in 2009 & 2010, and Detroit will try to catch up, somewhat late to the party, but with good offerings in 2011.
Anyone with no diesel cars will see declining sales.
Its simple!


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