My Cadillac Story (Disaster)

My Cadillac Story (disaster)

Many years ago there was a car that was the epitome of my fantasies that I could conceivably own. It was the 2003 Cadillac CTS, the car was hot, edgy-dynamic styling, good driving habits and a nicely designed interior. Driving a 99 Maxima for the years preceding my current Cadillac, I had high expectations when it came time to purchasing a new vehicle. I needed a car that was reliable and of decent quality. I worked at GMC-Pontiac dealer on Long Island, New York and had driven just about every GM vehicle imaginable. GM SUV’s are the best by far, and I honestly felt that GM had made major strides in quality, because some of those SUV’s were rock solid and consistently reliable. 2006 came around and I was ready to purchase a new vehicle, my admiration for American vehicles had grown, and I wanted to purchase the best American car I could find. So, November 2006, I purchased a 2007 Black Cadillac CTS 2.8. It was great feeling that at 21 years old, I was successful enough with my business that I could drive such a great vehicle, and I honestly bought into the whole “life, liberty and pursuit” marketing mantra. Cadillac even allowed you to post your story on their website, hence the “My Cadillac Story” title of this article.

The good feelings and satisfaction ended quickly. The problems with this car started with only two hundred miles on the odometer, the check engine light came on. I called On Star, they did a remote diagnostic test on the car, and said there is something wrong with your emissions system, bring it within the next couple of weeks. I did, the dealer took three days to figure out was wrong with the car, they needed a specialist to come down and look into it.

Dealer Visit #1: Barometric Pressure Sensor Failure
Out of Service: 3 days

I had a good streak with the car up until 12,000 miles when the rear differential started to squeak, squeal and thump. I called City Cadillac of Queens about my concern, service advisor said it doesn’t sound alarming, if it continues, bring it in. (Which is ridiculous because everyone who owns a CTS/STS/SRX knows exactly what I am talking about)
Also the car was making funny noises when I was braking, almost like a crunching sound. As I was getting an oil change, the mechanic is puzzled by the fluid that is leaking out of the rear differential.

Dealer Visit #2: Breaking sound could not be replicated. Leak found in rear differential, installed hose, clamp, strap and lubricated. *The only problem is that the idiot mechanic, did a rush job and didn’t tighten the bolt, so the differential was leaking and the car was thunderously thumping. This could of lead to a very dangerous situation, because the lack of fluid could cause the rear wheels to lock up.

Out of Service: 2 Days

After talking to my oil change guy, I started to get more concerned about the rear differential and other problems with the car. At about 17,000 miles the check engine light had come one again. I called On Star, they said there is something wrong with your emissions system, bring it to the dealer within a couple of weeks. Around the same time I was having problems with the suspension squeaking. (It sounded like a squeaky bed), it was loud and very embarrassing. I also continued to have the problem with the brakes, when braking, there was this crunching sound. And of course, the problem with the rear differential, with its leaking issues.

Dealer Visit # 3 Recall on differential, ( seal kit, lubricant, tightening.) Despite what it said on my monthly On Star report, citing an issue with the emissions system, they could not “replicate” the issue. The mess that City Cadillac made was solved by “tightening rear differential mounting bolts, located bolts left loose”. As far as suspension creaking, the control arms bushing were dry, replaced both and re-lubricated.

Out of Service: 3 Days

At this point I had contacted Cadillac of North America to make them aware of the problems and issues I had been having, they apologize and send me a check for $350.00 dollars.

This past May with 20,000 miles on the car I had the scariest of problems yet. First, I was getting a thudding noise through the suspension, upon the already continuing squeaking problem. The engine light has made its return again, and I was sure to make them aware that it was on again. The scary issue is with the ABS, it would engage without any provocation whatsoever. I was pulling into a parking spot in Home Depot and there was a family walking by, and I almost hit them because the car would refuse to stop because the ABS was engaged. I almost ran over a whole family because I couldn’t stop the car. (the father was ready to kill me) Also, going around onramp entrances I had problems with the brake pedal not going down, resulting in me holding on for my life.

Dealer Visit # 4: Both front lower arm control assembly’s replaced. Left front shock absorber failure, and left front strut failure. Check engine light attributed to an engine misfire, replaced ignition coils. Engine misfires on cylinder one, pending it inoperable, replace coils. (explains why I was getting 11 mpg) Cannot replicate the dangerous ABS issue.

Out of Service: 7 Days

Last week, the differential started to squeal, thump and whine once again. A day after I got the car back, the security light came on the car as well as the traction control light. The car refused to turn on, and locked me out. I was pulling into a spot at the airport and the car refused to stop due to the ABS and I crashed into the wall, with my rim taking the brunt of it.

Dealer Visit # 5: They blame everything on the rear differential. They are replacing it as of today. How a rear differential is related to the security system and ABS is beyond me. I am no mechanic, but I just don’t see how there is a connection between the two.

Out of Service: 7 as of today

After constant and consistent communication with Cadillac of North America, I thought today would be the day that they would offer me a replacement car, or some type of incentive to keep me as a customer. That was not the case, so I am in a situation where I need to seek help/advice from others. This is not normal behavior for a car with 22,000 miles on it. From some of the invoices I have seen, I estimate they have put between 5 and 8,000 thousand dollars worth of work into the vehicle. If I am forced to lemon law the vehicle, it would amount to almost a 70,000 loss for GM when you include the money they have to give back to me.

I ask the Autospies community for help, advice or even stories that pertain to this certain situation.


Thank You,

No1istensanyway


(You can see pictures on my agent page.)


91z4me91z4me - 7/8/2008 8:45:18 AM
+6 Boost
1st of all sorry to hear about your story. But something sounds off on a few things: the ABS system activating shouldn't inhibit braking, if anything the braking should pulsate but the car should still stop. There is a known problem with the rear axle on all Sigma cars and I think there has been 2 recalls, but it may have been 1.

The ABS system is controlled as part of the traction control which has sensors functioning in the rear differential.

It sounds to me as though the dealer and GM has done a lot of work to try and get the car back to spec. Perhaps everything hasn't worked properly but they aren't trying to weasel out of fixing the car. I think that deserves some credit.

But as for Lemon Lawing the vehicle I don't think that is going to go so well. I would assume you are in NY (from your agent space page). According to: http://www.lemonlawamerica.com/state_laws/new_york.htm

The state lemon laws state the vehicle must be within 2 years of the date of delivery to the customer OR 18,000 miles whichever comes first. That would mean you do not qualify for this statute. Also upon further reading GM/Caddy dealer gets at least 4 repair opportunities for the same item w/in the initial period. Also noted w/in the statutes is that you may have been eligible if GM/dealer didn't honor the warranty.

I don't think you have a lemon but something isn't adding up. Did you get some bad parts? Sounds like maybe. Has GM/dealer tried to rectify the situation? Sounds like a yes. Have you been w/out your vehicle for an unreasonable amount of time? I would say no. 22 days over 2 and a half years isn't extreme IMO.

I say give the dealer another chance to get the rear diff straightened out and make sure the ABS/traction control system is working properly (take the service adviser on a nice long drive after you get the car back with YOU driving the car as you normally would, don't baby it). That way the dealer (who may actually not be able to reproduce the issue) will get a better chance to see/feel what is going on.


no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 7/8/2008 12:35:58 PM
+2 Boost
The problem with the ABS is that on completely dry pavment I cannot stop. Its over-sensitive.


0to600to60 - 7/8/2008 3:04:04 PM
+2 Boost
no1listensanyway, this doesnt happen to the tech's when they test drive it during service appointments?


no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 7/8/2008 3:19:05 PM
+2 Boost
I have asked the dealer repeadtadly to test drive the car with me. There is some kind of liability issue with them in the car.


sold2earlysold2early - 7/8/2008 8:57:56 AM
+4 Boost
The best thing you can do is to continue to make this issue as public as possible. Spread the word through as many internet forums as you can find.

If GM knows that a sufficiently large percentage of people know about this issue, they will be forced to make things right...not because they care about doing the right thing, but because it will be more expensive not to.

Remember they story about the guy with the Ford diesel pickup who ruined his engine by using the wrong grade of biofuel? He went big-time public with it and Ford ultimately coughed up the money even though it wasn't their fault!


gkearns56gkearns56 - 7/8/2008 9:20:49 AM
+3 Boost
I hate the problems that arise when someone just wants to enjoys their car. My last domestic car I bought was almost 30 years agao. I will NEVER buy another domestic made vehicle again. Your story only pales in comparison to my last domestic car I've owned (1978 Pontic Grand Prix). It had been back to the dealership 17 times before 3000 miles. The last straw was the brown lunch bags inside the door panels, when I began to notice a rotten smell inside of the car. After that, I'll take my chances with foreign cars anyday.


AudiphileAudiphile - 7/8/2008 9:29:06 AM
+7 Boost
Once I had to sue a manufacturer (BMW in my case) under the Virginia lemon law. I won, but it took almost two years to resolve the issue. Every state's lemon laws are different. I suggest you contact an attorney who specializes in lemon law litigation.

A helpful website for New York residents is as follows:
http://www.lemonlawfirm.com/

Good luck.


AudiphileAudiphile - 7/8/2008 9:31:47 AM
+4 Boost
P.S. - if you want to see a copy of the New York lemon law statute, go to this website.

http://www.lemonlawamerica.com/state_laws/new_york.htm


PlanBPlanB - 7/8/2008 9:33:15 AM
+5 Boost
I'm not much of a mechanic and I'm sorry to hear about your problems. I think you do have a lemon on your hands. Most GM products of the past few years have been pretty reliable but I know every car that comes off an assembly line won't be perfect either, for any brand. If I were you I'd be calling GM everyday until they took the car back and replaced it or gave me my money back. And thats all you can do really.


Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 7/8/2008 9:44:21 AM
+3 Boost
I can see why you call yourself no1listensanyway


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/8/2008 10:23:59 AM
+5 Boost
You got a lemon. Your car is not representative of current Cadillacs. It happens sometimes. I had a lemon Nissan Maxima that i bought in 1998. I know that Nissans are good cars, but this particular one was garbage.


answeranswer - 7/8/2008 10:54:07 AM
+6 Boost
Sorry to hear about this.

Hopefully your dealer is at least friendly when you visit.

It does sound like you got a lemon.


lenkunlenkun - 7/8/2008 11:31:10 AM
+5 Boost
I know that with most new cars, a bit of squeaking and leaking is normal during break-in period. Were you gentle with the Caddy during the first couple thousand miles? First of all, you have to ask yourself how you drive? Do you dog your car like a maniac? If you do, that explains a lot why you have so many problem. Another is that you shouldn't take your vehicle to racing events or off-road terrain because that will void your warranty and will subject the vehicle to a lot of stress. And constant flooring of the accelerator or any jack rabbit start will result in poor mileage.


no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 7/8/2008 12:33:36 PM
+4 Boost
I honestly go easy on this car in fear that something will break. I have all service records showing what I did to the car.


BoredBored - 7/8/2008 2:40:27 PM
+6 Boost
@ the troll MichaelTaylor,

YOU F'N IDIOT!!!
When the hell are you going to learn!? The fact that you are a Toyota/Lexus fanboi isn't the problem. A lot of people here are particular fans of just one manufacturer, which IMO, is cool. No, the problem with you is that you ONLY talk about one thing. The problem is that you never write a comment that is relevant to the actual post. The problem is that you don't realize how disrespectful it is to only offer comments as if Toyota is the only car manufacturer in the world.

Are you a "mechaphiliac" towards Toyota-brand vehicles? (If you don't know what I'm talking about, look at this webpage:
http://nz.entertainment.yahoo.com/080530/6/5spa.html)

You have to be incredibly stupid or willfully ignorant to spew your crap about Toyotas online. Are you even capable of acknowledging that Autospies is a CAR FORUM, encompassing all makes and manufactures, and sharing of knowledge and opinions of ALL VEHICLES?
If you would actually offer insights on something other than a Toyota/Lexus, people would have respect for you around here, even if you are wrong in your statements.

The other day you had a fit because I called you "JoshLexus4Ever". He is a 14 y.o. kid who would only repeat what his daddy told him about Toyotas. He was childish, annoying, and offered nothing, EVER (unless you count the time when he said that he wanted Megan Fox to be his mommy, instead of dating her -- it made us all laugh). Eventually, he was banned from this site. You are doing exactly same thing.

Sadly, you foolishly believe that (and I'm quoting YOU) "A troll is someone who puts other carmakers down".
That's only half the equation. A troll also only talks about one thing. Sure, you are passionate about Toyota/Lexus and, again, I think that is fine. Because you are ONLY willing to acknowledge Toyota/Lexus is your undoing, your fatal flaw on all fronts.
Unless you put forth the effort to "wake up", you would be better off on a Toyota/Lexus forum. Or even start your own.

If not, we will continue to neg and insult you over your comments.


0to600to60 - 7/8/2008 3:06:32 PM
+9 Boost
MichaelTaylor, your funny. I love how the LEX bashers take you serious everytime and spend the extra effort chewing you out. I just ignore you. Maybe then will you go away!


sectorsector - 7/8/2008 3:42:55 PM
-5 Boost
MichaelTaylor knows first hand owning a Lexus/Toyota can help an individual lead a stress free life... he's just trying to communicate his good fortune of owning one, don't need to put him down.


0to600to60 - 7/8/2008 8:21:25 PM
+5 Boost
LOL Cyco, not a good idea to provide that link. All he has to do is go to the site and type another popular manufacture on this site. Then compare that to Lexus, LOL. I just did. Your point was not well made. But I feel you though.


BoredBored - 7/8/2008 10:07:57 PM
-1 Boost
@ 0to60,
I respect your choice to ignore trolls, but I can't help myself after dealing with Blu-ray trolls last year. Trolls deserve to publicly insulted for spewing one-sided, biased and/or baseless comments. They're like listening to the idiots parading on Fox News. I wish I could stop, but I guess I'm getting old and cranky (at the ripe age of 35).


@ auto001,
"...owning a Lexus/Toyota can help an individual lead a stress free life..."??? Not just any car, but only a Toyota/Lexus, huh? Not exercise. Not a hobby. Not volunteer work. Not a good woman. Just a Toyota/Lexas.
Me thinks you may be a "mechaphiliac" as well and should seek professional help.


@ the troll MichaelTaylor,
"Josh", ball-bearing grease and Toyota/Lexus exhaust systems are you enemy. Keep back 50 feet at all times.


BoredBored - 7/8/2008 2:56:11 PM
+3 Boost
Now that I'm done ripping MT a new one....

I think that the comments made by 91z4me, sold2early, Audiphile, and PlanB are the best suggestions anyone of us can make. If I were in your shoes, I would also find another Cadiliac dealership. Sometimes the mechanics are just more reputable at certain dealerships. You might have to go out of your way, but it will be worth it. I remember a VW Golf that I had taken to Hayward (CA) VW back in 2001 and they messed up twice on factory recall work that they had done. Had to go to Sunnyvale (CA) VW (about 40-45 minute driving w/o traffic) have them repair the other dealer's mistakes. There, I was informed that Hayward was well known for poor repair service. Golden Gate VW (Daly City, CA) said the same thing.


TripleonefiveTripleonefive - 7/8/2008 3:39:32 PM
-1 Boost
Some tough talk is needed here That is what you get for buying a GM What evidence did you have that GM was making quality strides The car has to stand the test of time and GM cars just dont do that. Let it be a lesson to you NEVER EVER buy a GM or any other domestic until they are PROVEN to be as reliable as the foreign comp. You took a chance on a loser and low and behold you lost. Buy foreign next time and stay off Sunrise Highway


MercedesBenz00ZMercedesBenz00Z - 7/8/2008 4:27:28 PM
-8 Boost
Very very good post. Everyone in America should just know that the American cars simply suck.

Luxury American cars? They are as luxury as Toyota Prius.


PorschinatorPorschinator - 7/8/2008 7:53:29 PM
+5 Boost
Ummmm...OK...I guess I should get my buddy that owns a MB/BMW shop that have troubled German cars coming to him all the time write a nice story too...lol. All I know is I would take the new CTS over a 3/5 series or C/E Class. S5 and others maybe not...lol. But very nice!



MercedesBenz00ZMercedesBenz00Z - 7/8/2008 10:54:59 PM
-5 Boost
Porschinator, you don't have to be so desperate. We all know you want E class obviously.

Only those stupid rednecks drive the American cars, it's that simple.


BoredBored - 7/8/2008 11:06:28 PM
+8 Boost
@ MercedesBenz00Z,

GOOD GAWD!!!

I thought I only had to deal with trolls.
Must you insult "rednecks", if you must call them that? I'm sure these so called "rednecks" drive a German, Korean or Japanese car as well.
Keep talking like that and Toby Keith will use his F-250 to run you off the road.


no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 7/8/2008 5:18:36 PM
+1 Boost
UPDATE:

Day 8 still without car. "Its taking longer then they thought"


PorschinatorPorschinator - 7/8/2008 7:51:07 PM
+2 Boost
so what feedback are you getting from the dealer?


no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 7/9/2008 12:59:43 AM
+2 Boost
I shared some words with Cadillac of North America, hinting towards them that I would have to pursue my rights as a consumer..etc So either they are slowing down the repair on purpose, or doing something behind the scenes that im not aware of. Either way they are paying for my awesome rental. (08 CTS)


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 7/8/2008 6:50:43 PM
+1 Boost
Thats what happens when GM mechanics used to working on the old outdated cars with the same engines and systems for the last 20 years get into working on something more advanced, and far different from the other cars they are used to working on. That would be like a BMW mechanic trying to figure out an electrical problem on a pontiac or worse a cadillacfrom the 80's to mid 2000's !!! Been there done that, not fun at all!!!


truckmentruckmen - 7/8/2008 7:46:12 PM
+3 Boost
I hope that they give you a new car!


sigmabodysigmabody - 7/8/2008 8:00:17 PM
+5 Boost
I had a similar ABS problem with my old Pontiac, although it didn't prevent stopping the car (it just fired the ABS randomly); turns out it was a common issue with the sensors on the tires.

Incidentally, I also considered a CTS before ultimately buying a Lexus. I have had my share of problems with my Lexus even (I am a curse on cars), but the dealership experience has been superb, and the Lexus technicians seem very competent.

My only suggestion would be that in addition to continuing to bring it back to the dealer whenever you feel there's a problem (or other dealers), make sure to continue to write Cadillac and let them know their service, or lack thereof, will weigh heavily on your next purchase decision. Then, make sure it does.


bestofallcadbestofallcad - 7/12/2008 2:32:19 AM
+1 Boost
sigmabody Buy the Cadillac CTS next time You will have a trouble Free car!! I know you will love it and you will not have problems like the Lexus. I know you will thank me.


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 7/8/2008 9:31:47 PM
+2 Boost
Sorry to hear about your situation, but I think that it is probably a one off, and you probably just got unlucky with that car. I mean, I bought my Audi in 2004 (a year that they supposedly had lots of quality problems) and I have yet to have a single problem (knocking on wood).

Anyways, good luck with where your journey leads you in purchasing or shopping for a new car...


SmarterThanYouSmarterThanYou - 7/9/2008 12:48:14 AM
+2 Boost
Here's the reality... every automobile company builds cars with defects and sometimes even crap cars (yes, even the Japanese). My past personal experience with Ford, Chrysler and Saturn (which was an absolute lemon) leads me to believe that U.S. companies build a higher percentage of crap when compared to Japanese companies like Honda or Toyota (but Mazda not so much). And I don't blame the auto workers. I blame poor engineering, poor management and shortsighted greed at the CEO level. That said, even a US auto dealership can overcome the crap by treating the customer fairly and honestly. However, it seems the US auto dealer networks have no interest in building repeat business. They think no further than the next first-time customer entering the showroom. The Toyota and Honda dealers I've bought from will fix their crap and not argue about it. Hell, they've even given me free loaners. THAT my friends is why they'll continue to get my business.



ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 7/11/2008 6:19:43 AM
0 Boost

i still recall a WSJ article from some years back. it described WHY subaru owners were among the most loyal. DESPITE the fact that subarus back then tended to have MORE PROBLEMS than average.

what made the owners loyal, happy, repeat customers: the dealers were ALSO above average, in TAKING CARE OF each and every issue the cars had!




ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 7/11/2008 6:29:35 AM
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"...leads me to believe that U.S. companies build a higher percentage of crap when compared to Japanese companies like Honda or Toyota (but Mazda not so much). And I don't blame the auto workers. I blame poor engineering, poor management and shortsighted greed at the CEO level."


your belief has been backed by research and facts. the book "The Machine that Changed the World" summarized a 5-yr $5 million study of auto plants across the globe. it fully explains WHY toyota builds more defect-free vehicles than anyone else.

there was also a funny/sad story about the life and death of the pontiac fiero. gm mgmt. refused to slow production despite a KNOWN 40% defect rate in engine block castings, trying to ride the initial good sales for as long as possible.

the car being made of fiberglass, when the engines blew (and MANY DID!) hot oil ignited fires and many cars BURNED DOWN all way to the rims!

it was calculated that if all the fieros were on the Jersey Turnpike at the same time, every 1/4 mile, you would see a burning car and people RUNNING AROUND LIKE CRAZY all over the place!




bestofallcadbestofallcad - 7/12/2008 2:39:45 AM
+1 Boost
When I take my Cadillac in for oil changes they give me a loaner car, same when my Mom takes her Buick in for oil changes they give her a loaner car. I thought that was just a standard today when you take your car to the dealer they give a loaner car.


bigTYMEbigTYME - 7/9/2008 12:57:51 AM
+2 Boost
I know someone who has a 2003 CTS and that thing has at least 150,000 miles on it. The driver is probably in the top 10% of the harshest drivers on the roads today and as beat up as that CTS is, it is in much better condition than yours. I'm pretty sure you got a lemon.


pnsb24apnsb24a - 7/11/2008 4:28:12 PM
0 Boost
I am sorry for your trouble, but at least you have learned your lesion far younger and with far less GM cars under your belt. DON'T buy anymore products from GM. WIth all the vetts, suvs and other GM models I have bought, I finally went foreign and am So happy. I get loaners without arguement and am treated like a king. The dealers have a lot to do with this problem and until they get their service depts in order--which I doubt they ever will--NO GM


bestofallcadbestofallcad - 7/12/2008 2:20:15 AM
+1 Boost
pnsb24a, I am so glad I do not own a foriegn car any longer I owned 2 BMW's the 325i and 525i both where the worst cars I ever owned. They where in the shop every 3 to 4 months longest time out of the shop was the 525 it went a whole 6 months one time.

I have owned 6 Cadillacs none have ever been in the shop other than a oil changes, and maybe a battery or tires, since I drive about 25,000 + a year my car has to be relieble, I am so happy with my Cadillac's. I have also owned Buicks all have been Great and I have owned a ponitac another GREAT Car.

My Mom has owned many Buicks all have been great problem free cars, infact she gave my niece her Buick Leserbra to have for college, which when my Mom gave her the Buick had over a 100,000 miles on it with no problems. My neice had my Moms Buick all the way through college and my neice gave it to her friend with almost 200,000 miles on it when she gave it to her again with no problems. Now that 1991 Buick is still with my neices friend still with no problems and it has almost 300,000 miles on it again troube free.

I have owned 2 imports which both imports where in for service about every 3 to 4 months, and both of those cars where 24mos leases when we turned them in they had less than 40,000 miles on them. Which I have owned many many many GM cars which all have been trouble free so I will never own a import again.

I hope the writer has had his problem fixed with his CTS I do hate to hear that especially since I owned a 2003 cts with no problems, since cars are mechanicle and made by man there are lemons in every make and model. There are lemons in domestics and imports. and no one can dispute that.......

Infact check this out. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/lexus.html


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