The New BMW 7 series DOES NOT copy the Lexus LS!

The New BMW 7 series DOES NOT copy the Lexus LS!
Lately, everyone is talking about how the new BMW 7 series shares design cues with the Lexus LS. I just wanted to provide pictures for those of you who cannot be bothered to find and compare pictures, along with showing you the REAL inspiration (evolution) of the new 7 series. Check the pictures.

As you can see from the pictures, the LS actually shares design cues from the current BMW 5 series' side view. The new 7 series is a pretictable evolution of the current BMW designs. The rear lights are very similar to the BMW X6 (L shaped), believe it or not, mixed with the current 5 series. A similar design was shown on the BMW CS concept.

So after comparing the pictures of the 7 series' rear lights, and the LS' rear lights, do they have a similar shape? Not really. The only similarity is the size of the tail lights.

What about the integrated exhaust? Well, you can give Lexus credit for starting this trend, but the BMW has it's very own design of the integrated exhausts along with a more stylish rear bumper.

And just for a joke, check out the pictures of the Honda Oddessy's rear lights. This is a 2004 model if I can remember correctly. Now take a look at the Lexus LS...

The purpose of this topic is NOT to start a childish flame war. It's just clarification.

tattedtwicetattedtwice - 7/9/2008 8:37:31 AM
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Finally, a voice of reason and a bit of common sense. I've said the same thing since day one; toyota copied BMW in the first place, while BMW just evolved their design. Simple as that.


0to600to60 - 7/9/2008 8:50:40 AM
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Surprisingly, I would take the Lexus...


KingerKinger - 7/9/2008 9:37:23 AM
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Why am I not surprised...


0to600to60 - 7/9/2008 10:59:55 AM
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Why would you not be? You must think I am a Lexus fanboy. Naw... I just call it all like it is!


dlindlin - 7/9/2008 9:00:18 PM
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Another victim of Bangle.

BMW will probably be better off copying Lexus in the rear. The side profile is good though.


tattedtwicetattedtwice - 7/10/2008 4:36:25 AM
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The 7 looks NOTHING like the toyota ls.

And that is coming from a BMW fan who lives on planet earth.

The toyota ls has many elements from the BMW though. Can't deny reality.



zorbeezezorbeeze - 7/10/2008 8:50:30 AM
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"The 7 looks NOTHING like the toyota ls."
Yes it does. But then again there's nothing wrong with that.
Open your eyes.


graviteeeegraviteeee - 7/11/2008 9:26:04 PM
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i only see resemblance in the inner part of the tail lights and the integrated exhaust. as far as profile,, seriously guys these car companies are competing within dimensions, and when you consider appeal and practicality, there are only so many ways you can go.

love bmw design, but i gotta say, i wish they copied more from the ls. ls may be boring, but its beautiful.
havent seen the new 7 in person, but so far im dissapointed

i can't believe no one mentioned the resemblance between the 7's headlights and new C benz





SSP350SSP350 - 7/9/2008 9:07:57 AM
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And your point is? The fact of the matter is that the rear of the new 7 series, still, closely resembles the rear of the LS. Your comparison with the 5 series proves just that and another thing, if you take away the sharklike antenna from the LS it looks nothing like the 5 series and the lines of the panels don't even come close. For a fair comparison, you should've also posted pictures of the side profile for the 7 series, which in my opinion, does look a little like the LS. Don't want to start a flame war, but I'm just pointing out that your logic is flawed.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 12:55:21 PM
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WHAT?!? How can you look at those pictures and just lie like that?

The LS profile is nearly identical to the 5 series, just like the LS430 was identical to the old (1992-2000)S-class. Just like the LS400 was a rip-off of the S-Class before it.

The LS has NEVER been an original design. Lexus purposely apes the most popular luxury sedan's looks every time.

The similarity to MB and BMW is Lexus entire marketing scheme: you get the look and luxury of a german car in a package that is cheaper, easier to use, and more reliable.

You guys should just go away from autospies. You clearly know nothing about cars.


answeranswer - 7/9/2008 1:49:04 PM
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Whoa!

Pushrod doesn't like Lexus?

Shocker!!!!


lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 7/9/2008 2:48:58 PM
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whats wrong with being cheaper, easier to use, and more reliability?

and all this 7 series "news" is making me sick. i think i'll stay away from autospies until this 7 series nonsense fades away....


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 3:15:46 PM
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The SC430 isn't my only car, poptart. It's my summertime convertible. The interior is one of the best on the market, and women love it, so i enjoy myself a great deal with my SC430.

Also, it proves that i'm not biased against Lexus. I like Lexus. They make a fine product. But the truth is the truth. And the truth is that no one can copy the LS, because the LS is not original, at all.


RupertRupert - 7/9/2008 8:16:36 PM
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The SC? I thought you liked cars, pushrod, not boats.


zorbeezezorbeeze - 7/10/2008 8:55:05 AM
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"WHAT?!? How can you look at those pictures and just lie like that?"
Your the onle one that is lying.
What's deceiving here is that the 5series and LS are identical colors, whereas the 7series is a completely different color. Your eyes are playing games with you and are being pushed to think one thing mainly because the author (mister deceiver) chose to use the same color for two cars to try to prove his point a different color for the other.
Next time before you bullshit everyone m53r try using a different color for each car or the same for all of them.
Nice try but you've failed.


qckshftrqckshftr - 7/9/2008 9:08:09 AM
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Good post, M53R... But could you or someone post some more side-by-side, or top-over-bottom photos of different angles of the cars in comparison? Also, some photos of the 750i/Li instead of the 730d, as the 750i/Li have integrated exhausts similar to the Lexus in question? Finally, I think the '09 7 has tail lights that look as much like the 1, as they do the X6 (good or bad). Cheers!


M53RM53R - 7/9/2008 4:16:14 PM
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Thanks. I would have done that, but there are no pictures of the BMW 7 series that fit your description. So I had to use the 2nd best pictures available.


_43LE_43LE - 7/9/2008 9:37:21 AM
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This post kind of sounds like grasping at straws.


cdokecdoke - 7/9/2008 12:02:50 PM
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Frankly, I think that a fair number of people have become rather defensive on this subject, but I am not so sure that the real reason for it is what others have said. It is as if, deep down, they are themselves a little dissapointed with it.


EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 9:38:04 AM
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"The New BMW 7 series DOES NOT copy the Lexus LS!"

That would be correct, the BMW crushes the Lexus like a Coke can.


_43LE_43LE - 7/9/2008 11:47:12 AM
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Only if it's driven off of a cliff.


KingerKinger - 7/9/2008 9:40:42 AM
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The current LS resembles the e65 7-series, now the F01 7-series comes out which is largely an evolution of the e65 and somehow the 7-series is ripping off the LS? Nice logic guys...


Agent004Agent004 - 7/9/2008 12:11:59 PM
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Was going to write the same thing.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 12:57:24 PM
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Exactly.


mramezanimramezani - 7/9/2008 10:02:27 AM
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ouh adaptive this and electric that... where does that driver factor in all of this?
'Ultimate Driving Simulator'.


mramezanimramezani - 7/9/2008 10:05:07 AM
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When was the last time BMW made something really interesting? Honestly these days you'll have more fun at a McDonald's than a BMW showroom. Limitless supply of pointless and mediocre cars X3 X5 X6 and soon even X1. Even M3 underwhelms


Agent004Agent004 - 7/9/2008 12:12:29 PM
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Have you driven the 135?


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 1:02:21 PM
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Interesting BMWs:
M5, M6, M3, 335i, 760Li, CS concept, X6, 850Ci, M1

Interesting Lexus cars:
LF-A...

It's not even close.


SpeedoholicSpeedoholic - 7/9/2008 10:08:25 AM
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I submitted an article comparing the two, but nobody posted it on the home page.
Lexus are copying BMW actually, Look at the 5 Series and LS, they have the same profile. BMW ain't copying no one, they are extracting some queues of the 5 Series and putting them on the 7 Series, so people thought that they are imitating Lexus. As we all know the 5 Series came out in 2003, while the LS in 2006 ...


EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 10:18:36 AM
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Everybody knows Asia is the copy capital of the world.

CDs, DVDs Books, clothes and car designs are constantly being ripped off.

Originality is everything and way to go BMW :-)


_43LE_43LE - 7/9/2008 11:43:13 AM
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Right, like Europe never copied anything from Asia and benefitted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO4-Gu5Ov34

You need a history lesson! Your ignorance is shining through.




Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/9/2008 1:28:41 PM
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"Everybody knows Asia is the copy capital of the world.

CDs, DVDs Books, clothes and car designs are constantly being ripped off."

not quite.


apple copied the LG's prada (don't get me wrong I love apple products)
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/340/C11730/

alpine made the 1st navigation system in '81, along with other inventions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_...d_technologies

and the same guys who developed the nav system will also do this to the new 7-series:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/technical/new-%e2%80%98dual-view%e2%80%99-displays-coming-to-production-cars/




pioneer made the 1st CD player
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Corporation#History





Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/9/2008 1:30:39 PM
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and they also have certain electronics that aren't available in the western world due to radio frequiencies.


EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 10:56:07 PM
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43LE, who was that woman talking on the video?

Was it Tokyo Rose?


_43LE_43LE - 7/10/2008 9:34:42 AM
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Maybe it was some KKK member.


EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 10:39:14 AM
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Not only does the Lexus LS360 look like the BMW 5-Series, but the new Honda Accord looks like the BMW 5-Series as well.


0to600to60 - 7/9/2008 11:12:01 AM
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EL, are you blind!?! how dare you compare the AWFUL Accord to the 5 series! This is a new low even for you! And your ratings were already at rock bttm!


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 1:04:17 PM
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bulldogz... you are either going to hell for being such a liar, or going to heaven for being so helplessly stupid.


answeranswer - 7/9/2008 1:51:44 PM
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pushrod,

Purgatory is filled with biased fools.

Be careful.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 3:18:26 PM
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Is there even any point for a car magazine to mention that Lexus styling is unoriginal? It's an established fact, a moot point.

I own a Lexus. I have nothing against Lexus. I have a problem with lies and fools.


EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 10:41:56 AM
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Looktit!

The Lexus looks like that big squarehead Honda Van from the rear!

LOL :-D


_43LE_43LE - 7/9/2008 11:44:25 AM
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And the new 7 looks even worse.




F1_DriverF1_Driver - 7/9/2008 10:43:56 AM
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The only things the new 7-series copied from Lexus were the C-pillars from the current Lexus GS and the integrated tailpipes from the current Lexus LS. Too bad they couldn't copy Lexus LS's sales.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 1:06:11 PM
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Honda has been imitating BMW for years. Check the 1992 Honda/Acura Legend and the 7 series from that era.


audirevolutionaudirevolution - 7/9/2008 11:17:28 PM
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You speak Engrish almost as well as Hao.
Conglaturation!


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 1:08:11 PM
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It's difficult to remain composed when people are telling outright lies, and no one checks them.

It's how sensible folks feel every time G.W. Bush opens his stupid mouth.


chinojkchinojk - 7/9/2008 10:50:17 AM
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great, just what this site needs another bmw fanboy blog.

"The purpose of this topic is NOT to start a childish flame war. It's just clarification."


maybe there is some truth in what everyone says about bmw copying or else there would be no need for this defensive sumbission



answeranswer - 7/9/2008 11:00:02 AM
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All your supporting "evidence" only goes to support your opinion. It does nothing to change the facts.

The new 7 series has some resemblance to the LS.

Big F'n deal.

The LS is a kick ass, well built car and I'm sure the new 7 will be no different.

Who gives a crap if they look slightly similar?


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 1:10:06 PM
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fine, but how can you comment on the new 7's resemblance to an LS without acknowledging the fact that the LS was clearly inspired by an earlier BMW design?


answeranswer - 7/9/2008 1:53:07 PM
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Um...cause it wasn't.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 3:19:15 PM
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you're lying.


answeranswer - 7/9/2008 4:02:58 PM
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Funny. My pants aren't on fire.


EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 11:01:48 AM
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This hot new BMW 7 is as good as a delicious bratwurst with mustard, onions and Sauerkraut with a pint of ice cold Spaten.

:-D


chinojkchinojk - 7/9/2008 11:15:36 AM
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mmmm spaten


_43LE_43LE - 7/9/2008 11:46:38 AM
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Yes, gourmet at it's finest, yuck.


M53RM53R - 7/9/2008 11:22:53 AM
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Dont kill me people. I just wanted to start an adult's arguement over the issue. And yes I wanted to be heard, and everyone is free to have their own opinion.

At the end of the day, they are all good cars.
I tried my best not to bash any of them (maybe except the Honda Oddessy joke :P ), and to be fair, yes the profile of the 5 series doesnt look similar to the LS, but the design of the tail lights ( and how the bend to the sides ) is VERY similar. This is also something found on the new 7 series.

Oh, and I actually like the new Lexus LS' design, as it looks very subtle. Nothing new, but a nice contender in this segment.

Fact is, do not insult the one with a different opinion. This makes you looks like a fool. Try proving them wrong, and Im very open to arguements.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 1:11:07 PM
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Don't let these Lexus idiots make you back off. You were right the first time. Screw them.


EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 11:27:25 AM
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The Lexus to me anyway looks a lot like Bart Simpson.

Look at his head and look at the Lexus and you will see similar lines.

:-/


_43LE_43LE - 7/9/2008 11:45:22 AM
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Well then, that makes the 7 series look like Lisa.


ICONICON - 7/9/2008 12:20:32 PM
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I'll say it again...Definitely not seeing the LS in this design. You people are stretching the bounds of credulity. The 7er has an overall appearance of a masculine aggressive presence with the back end clearly an evolution of previous designs. The aggressive cut line that extends the entire length of the car gives it and impressive stretched out presence that the slab sided LS can't even get out the way fast enough-boring and predictable.

You can nit pick and stomp your little feet all you want,(this tail light,that exhaust pipe,on and on) but no one will ever confuse the 7er for a Toyota Camry/Avalon or an ES like you do with the LS which is a nice evolution of a Toyota.

Wait until you see it in person. Day and night. But don't believe me, look at the demographics that end up buying each car.(septuagenarians buy the LS , people in their 40's-50's buy the 7er)

Nice post M35R, thanks.



EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 12:27:05 PM
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Of course one of the best reviews on the LS was in Blimp & Driver.


_43LE_43LE - 7/9/2008 1:45:37 PM
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Funny, I've never heard of that publication or website. Maybe because your full of sh!t?


CLK63BlackSeriesCLK63BlackSeries - 7/9/2008 12:39:24 PM
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Yes. It did.


CLK63BlackSeriesCLK63BlackSeries - 7/9/2008 12:42:23 PM
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...and whoever doesn't think so should be ashamed to have such a horrible eyesight that they can't see the uncanny resemblence. Go take your eyes out with a fork, they are not doing you any good!


kut17kut17 - 7/9/2008 12:44:29 PM
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What the...? First off, the first car is a 5-Series, not a 7-Series. Second, why is the Odyssey and X6 a part of these pictures? Third, I see strong resemblance between the LS and 7-Series so this was a waste of time.


M53RM53R - 7/9/2008 4:13:02 PM
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Maybe you should read the post 1st.


sectorsector - 7/9/2008 12:50:50 PM
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The only thing this proved is that both 7 and LS come with 4 wheels and 4 doors... oh and 7 is a bad attempt at copying the LS, especially the the tail lights and integrated exhausts.

I see right through what BMW is trying to do... since LS is such a looker and a success, BMW is trying to steal some thunder and attention from LS by pretending it's a Lexus but with a different badge.

It's like labeling a tv set with "soni" in the corner... from a distance, it may look like a "sony" tv, but you'll get a rude awakening if you look closer :)


ICONICON - 7/9/2008 1:22:55 PM
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"They create designs with flare and emotion "??????

You are either out of your mind, or the ultimate sarcastic satirist.....either way your act is as old and tired as your favorite SC430 is.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/9/2008 2:35:36 PM
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the current sc is just as fun as burnt bread.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 3:23:53 PM
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I have nothing against Lexus. Like i said before, i love my SC. The polished wood and stitched leather on the interior are top-notch, it rides smooth, it looks good with the top down, it's reliable, it was cheap, and chicks dig it. If you have ever owned a luxurious convertible, then you would understand the SC's appeal. The folding hardtop is great, too.

Although, the braking and handling leave much to be desired. I'm looking to replace it with a Corvette convertible by next summer. I want the Vette's performance, but i am in love with the Lexus seats - they are good for my back. The Vette's interior will be a major step down, but the performance and fun factor will be a major step up.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/9/2008 3:30:34 PM
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if you order the 3LT in the corvette, you can get a full leather interior and having been in the new one, its quite nice.


mpwrmpwr - 7/9/2008 5:44:02 PM
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i love my SC. The polished wood and stitched leather on the interior are top-notch, it rides smooth, it looks good with the top down, it's reliable, it was cheap, and chicks dig it.

YA CHICKS DIG IT BECUASE THEY WANT OT DRIVE IT, ITS A CHICK CAR


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 7:17:50 PM
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I know that. But i really wanted a convertible for the summer, the Lexus was cheap, and the interior really is nice. Sit in it and see before you judge or comment.

On a sunny day, i enjoy myself a great deal with the SC, but like i said, i'm looking to get into a drop top Vette next summer.


BoredBored - 7/9/2008 10:19:13 PM
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@ the troll MT,
You were doing so well when you wrote the following:

"Actually, looking at the photos of the new 7er I see a lot of Maserati Quattroporte in the side profile. Shame on BMW for not being very original with their desgins."

But you couldn't stop yourself, could you? You just had to write more troll crap.

Anyway, I could care less who copied who. The Lexus LS is a good looking car, and MT excluded, somebody is going to love driving this over the BMW and vice versa.
The new BMW 7-series is a good looking car as well. I just don't think it has enough of a "BMW look" to it. IMO, it strays too far from the CS concept. And no matter how many photos appear on the web with improved angles of the vehicle, the car that comes to mind first is the Hyundai Genesis, then the Lexus LS. I just can't explain that any better.

Hey, I remember when the photos leaked of the then new 6-series coupe. I hated it. I see them a lot these days. Still hate the look. It's like a fat bottomed girl (and that goes to the Lexus SC430 as well).

But guess what? A lot of other people like them both and they both sell well. The new 7-series will do the same.

Can't please everyone.


mpwrmpwr - 7/10/2008 12:50:56 PM
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I try not to make uninformed comments, my roomate has a 2006 sc 430, black with carmel leather, nice and luxurious car.
HOWEVER HE EVEN SAYS ITS A CHICK CAR. AND IF YOU LOOK AT MOST WHO DRIVE IT THOSE CHICKS TEND TO BE COUGARS, ie 40-50somethings glammed up and on the prowl.


OBieOBie - 7/9/2008 1:13:37 PM
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Nope... they copied the Hyundai Genesis (esp. in the rear).


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 1:14:31 PM
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kut17, auto001, MichaelTaylor,

I don't have the time or energy to get into specifics. Just know this:

you are all lying idiots and i sincerely hope that you all bleed, burn, suffer, and drop dead. ASAP.


0to600to60 - 7/9/2008 6:26:02 PM
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pushrod, I think the only thing you have proven here is that you are an idiot. Additionally, you might just need counseling in anger management or something.

p.s. you lost this battle when you said you own a SC430!?! WTF! Dont they come stadard with run flat tires? Ive driven the car and it does not meet the description you provided.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 7:14:40 PM
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Suck a fat one and die. I'm glad you've driven an SC, but I actually own one, so i'll stick to my own conclusions. No roadster rides smoother, even with the run-flats.

I know all about the run flats, i just spent $850 replacing two of them a few weeks ago.


pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 7:27:06 PM
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Additionally, i don't need anger management. I'm cool. I have a .40 S&W, a shovel in my trunk, a pocket full of cash, and a good lawyer. Such being the case, i say whatever i want, wherever and whenever i like.


RupertRupert - 7/9/2008 8:22:19 PM
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Actually Lexus had to change the whole suspension set-up and ditch the run-flats in Britain after many complaints about the ride quality - crashy was a word often used. Maybe the set-up is different in the US.


0to600to60 - 7/9/2008 9:44:45 PM
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LOL! And yes Rupert, the run flats makes the SC feel as if your driving a school bus in the US as well.


kut17kut17 - 7/10/2008 4:58:24 PM
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pushrod-
"kut17, auto001, MichaelTaylor,

I don't have the time or energy to get into specifics. Just know this:

you are all lying idiots and i sincerely hope that you all bleed, burn, suffer, and drop dead. ASAP."




WTF?!?! What did I do to you? I don't believe I've even spoken to you before. You have some nerve. Excuse me for getting sick and tired of "the new 7-Series" posts. I'm sure you'd stop reading the specifics, too, if you hear the same thing every day. You need to grow up.


M35MTM35MT - 7/9/2008 1:35:22 PM
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I am now convinced that 90% of the users on this site as well as the agents are 14 years old.




TalliTalli - 7/9/2008 2:02:22 PM
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it does...very clearly.


ghosthunterghosthunter - 7/9/2008 2:33:26 PM
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seriously. the fact that you need to have this post answers everything


Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 7/9/2008 2:48:33 PM
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How many more BMW 7-series articles do we really need here?

It's getting ridiculous.

The 7-series sold 14,773 units in 2007, which is less than .09% of the US Market.

Who really cares? Either you like the design or you don't. End of story.




MercedesBenz00ZMercedesBenz00Z - 7/9/2008 3:35:46 PM
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I just really do not see Lexus on that. Only the ricerboys think that looks like Lexus.


chonneschonnes - 7/10/2008 2:09:06 PM
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Really? http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2653523325_2387432d8f.jpg


chonneschonnes - 7/10/2008 2:09:49 PM
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Really? http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2653523325_2387432d8f.jpg


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 7/9/2008 4:21:38 PM
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are you kidding?

the new 7 is a clear evolution of the last generation...which debuted in 2001--years before the LS came out in 2006.

and they really don't look AT ALL alike anyway.



pushrod27pushrod27 - 7/9/2008 7:21:20 PM
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these guys are idiots. i guess you can't make them see. half of these chumps making comments have probably never owned a BMW or a Lexus. They probably drive used Corollas.

They feel an emotional connection to Lexus because every Lexus has the same gated shifter, radio, turn signal stalks, window switches, and cruise control switches as their mom's Avalon.


DenaliDenali - 7/9/2008 5:18:37 PM
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these pic are useless without the 740il intergraded pipes


xlr8xlr8 - 7/9/2008 5:57:47 PM
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well Im not sure about the rest of the car but bmw sure did copy the exhaust ports of the ls. Look at the 740li it has the same style. I could be wrong however...did lexus copy bmw concerning the exhaust? And which bmw model had it first?


M53RM53R - 7/9/2008 6:07:29 PM
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Well it might be Lexus who put it up in this way 1st, but if you check the BMW X5/X6, both of them have exhausts similar to those on the new 7 series.


SpeedoholicSpeedoholic - 7/9/2008 6:12:10 PM
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2007 Lexus sales worldwide: 500,000 units
2007 BMW sales worldwide: 1,276,793 (Without Mini and Rolls Royce)

How about that?


answeranswer - 7/9/2008 7:21:51 PM
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When you consider that BMW has been around for about 60 years more than Lexus, the sales edge doesn't sound as impressive.

Lexus and BMW both kick ass. The manner in which they do so is what varies. It just depends on how you like your ass to be kicked.






sectorsector - 7/9/2008 8:36:26 PM
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How about BMW(as a brand) having over 70yrs head start.


answeranswer - 7/10/2008 10:51:54 AM
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Kthor is the groundhog of BMW posts.

When he pops up and says something dumb, this crap will go on for 30 more posts.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 7/10/2008 4:01:39 PM
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answer:

toyota (lexus) has been around just as long as bmw. why did it take the japanese 40 years just to make their first 'luxury' car in 1990?


chonneschonnes - 7/9/2008 7:50:15 PM
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Thank God someone informed me that BMW didn't copy Lexus. Up until I read the words all I had to go by was PICTURES!!

BMW doesn't copy Lexus, they MIRROR them: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2653523325_2387432d8f.jpg


sectorsector - 7/9/2008 8:38:51 PM
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doesn't "MIRROR" mean copying?


Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/9/2008 8:40:37 PM
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I've said this many times and here it goes: its not something breathtaking or extraordinary, but worlds better than the current one its replacing.


EL34EL34 - 7/9/2008 10:20:57 PM
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The Lexus is not in the same league as BMW.

So stop tryin'!


zorbeezezorbeeze - 7/10/2008 8:57:05 AM
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Mouahaahahaha
the minivan driving soccer mom has spoken


LexusLexus - 7/10/2008 12:15:14 AM
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And this is coming for a BMW fanboi? Every automaker copy each other design and add some of their own flavors to it.

But this new BMW is really Ugly and Bland when compare to the Lexus LS, MB S-class, and Audi A8. I am just stating fact, but you German fanboi will cry foul.

I cannot belief BMW is the designer of this car, it look very ugly even compare to a Hyundai.


FreqreaderFreqreader - 7/10/2008 12:35:35 AM
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Bumper Exhaust design:
The truth of the matter is that neither Lexus nor BMW were the first one to come out with bumper integrated exhaust. I know my comment can infuriate some auto spies followers, but I need to mention to all of you that the first car on this segment to use this design cue on recent years was the VW Phateon. See more here http://vwvortex.com/gallery/generated//Volkswagen/Phaeton/Phaeton%20LWB/014__scaled_600.jpg

So, who copy from who?


JudasLeaseJudasLease - 7/10/2008 12:54:45 AM
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1. What kind of fanboy title/article and defense of BMW crap is this?
2. So its okay for other brands to copy BMW but BMW can't copy from other brands?

Awful write-up, should not even have been posted.


jonmartinjonmartin - 7/10/2008 1:40:03 AM
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BMW didn't copy Lexus. People are on some serious dope if they think so. That car is all Concept CS the Tails,Headlights,Grills,The way the front fenders flow into the door.C'mon let's get real.


chonneschonnes - 7/10/2008 2:05:59 PM
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Yep, I agree . . . BMW copied Hyundai


bclemansbclemans - 7/10/2008 2:59:48 AM
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Of course it didn't copied from the LS. The Bimmer has a 6-speed automatic whereas the LS has an 8-speed.

But I heard that the 7 series will eventually get an 8-speed (1 to 2 year after intro).


AutoknologistAutoknologist - 7/10/2008 3:08:35 AM
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When I first saw the car pics, I thought it was the new car from Amalgamated Motors called the the LexaInfiniGenisMWS7? Then I saw that it just the new BMW 7 series and new I had nothing to get excited about. By this time next year, once they hit the southern ca market, they will be everywhere. Meanwhile, I will pick up a new Genesis from Hyundai, remove the badges, put on some nice chrome accents to spruce it up and take in all the complements, (and dates)I get for my New BMW 7 series. And save a ton of cash in the process. It was bad enough that the worst example of the Chris Bangle look sold as well as it did here(But, it was clearly a BMW, love it or hate it), now comes the new one. Not only is it generic, but the old character that BMW's once had is now completely gone. Yes, it may be a bimmer under the skin, but the skin no longer clearly states that it is a BMW. Shame.


AutoknologistAutoknologist - 7/10/2008 3:21:19 AM
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Sad, that no matter who is copying who, the result is that certain car classes continue to become more and more homogenized, as they all try to compete more on a global level. Still, the car looks like a bigger 5 series first, then like a lexus LS second. Will it be enough to increase 7 series sales? Time will tell.



Dr550Dr550 - 7/10/2008 12:15:24 PM
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Look at style of BMW E32 7 series 1988-1994 if you want to know where L-shaped tail lights, silhouette, etc. evolved from. Even the dash has similar look. BMW genes are in new 7. Just look. You know Toyota has.


c36amgc36amg - 7/10/2008 12:51:58 PM
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what a sh^t rear light


Chaos29Chaos29 - 7/10/2008 7:04:03 PM
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I don't know?... it looks like a car to me.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 7/12/2008 12:59:37 PM
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you have no clue.
and your opinion really doesn't matter, since you are not the target market for any of these cars.

you don't own--nor can you afford--any of them.


iwantanS2000iwantanS2000 - 7/11/2008 10:39:11 AM
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As a life-long Toyota/Lexus fan, I hate to say the rear of the new LS is way too Honda Oddessyish. They could've done so much better there


mx5seriesmx5series - 7/11/2008 2:49:08 PM
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Interesting conclusion but your pictures do not support it.


tecnopolistecnopolis - 7/11/2008 6:29:07 PM
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One thing is for sure, Honda isn't shy about copying a few, (ok, most) of the design of the BMW 3 and 5 series. Just look at the accords body sides and dash if you doubt it.


Germancar_fan01Germancar_fan01 - 7/14/2008 5:50:38 AM
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the new 7 does not opy the lexus the everyone is complaining about the back lights .they kinda look like the 1 series concept and a bit of the x6 so its all bmw. i would buy this car...it looks much better ...more agressive!
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