Is Buying A Smart Car Smart - Or Simply A Knee Jerk Reaction to a Diminishing Problem?

Is Buying A Smart Car Smart - Or Simply A Knee Jerk Reaction to a Diminishing Problem?
No one has been immune this summer to the high price of gas and diesel.  Every segment of the US economy has been affected in some way shape or form due to the rapid increase in the price of fuel.  People across our nation were forced to stop and evaluate their way of life, mainly cheap fuel, and decide on a course of action to evoke change.

My sister in Florida is a good example of action.  Currently driving a Honda Element, she along with her husband carpool to work and combine necessary stops as part of the trip home from work to avoid having to take additional trips.  Even though the Element they drive is a fairly efficient vehicle, the high price of fuel compelled them to buy scooters.  Since purchasing the scooters, the Element spends a lot more time in the driveway as 3-4 days per week they now commute via scooters.

Of course they are not alone, a recent article on the local news station reported a massive increase in scooter and motorcycle registrations as people look for more efficient ways to get to and from the places they need to be.  Apparently $4.00 a gallon gasoline was enough of a stimulus to compel people to change the way they live.

But something interesting is happening, the price of gas is starting to fall again.  During one overnight period a week ago, the price went from $3.99 a gallon to $3.79 (for the cheap stuff) and last night I paid $3.69.  It seems as though the price is falling in larger chunks than what it rose in, and therein lies the several questions.

First off, in making the drastic change from car to scooter, was this a knee jerk reaction to a short term dilemma, or is it really a long term solution to a problem we only got a small taste of?  In the case of my sister, the 2 scooters cost a little over $4,000 plus tax and interest (I assume she is making payments as opposed to having paid cash) on the scooters, at what point does break even occur justifying the additional expense of the scooters.

Secondly at what price does gas need to be at to again feel confidence in buying big SUV's and other high consumption vehicles?  After Hurricane Katrina we saw the price of gas soar to over $3.00 a gallon and large vehicle sales slowed down, but as the price dropped sales increased almost immediately.

Let's be honest here, we as Americans like our big cars.  We as a majority really don't want to be driving Smart Cars and Toyota Yaris like vehicles.  We like our big SUV's and pickup trucks and as such as fuel continues to drop again, I think people will start to buy again.

Or am I wrong?  Did this spike in fuel truly spark a change in attitude, or will gas priced at $3.39 a gallon suddenly seem cheap and the move back to large cars and trucks resume?

What changes did you make in your driving habits this past summer, and are those changes permanent or will you resort to your old ways as fuel drops, or at least backs off the highs we saw this summer.  I would be surprised to see a lot of drastic changes amongst the readers here, based on the amount of excitement news of a new super car or big engined sedan creates, I know we aren't all driving little economy cars.

But some of you may have made drastic changes, like buying a scooter or parking the car to take advantage of public transportation?  And if gas drops below $3.00 again, will you simply go back to your old ways?

My hat is off to you if you truly did make drastic changes in lifestyle to deal with the summers high gas prices.  I for one really didn't do anything differently except complain a little to the other drivers at the gas station when it came time to fill up again.  I suspect we will go back to our old ways as gas prices drop, but perhaps this past summer was exactly the wake up call we as a nation needed.

So enlighten us as to what things you have done to change, or lifestyle changes you have made which would be viewed by others as drastic.  We may actually learn a little something here today.


C63AMGC63AMG - 8/3/2008 12:39:54 AM
+7 Boost
Not everyone needs to drive a smart for two but the less Gas Guzzling SUVs on the road the better.


KZ258KZ258 - 8/3/2008 12:55:04 AM
+3 Boost
i dont think i'll ever buy a SUV/pickup truck/SAV/tourings. its either 4 doors or 2 with the third pedal


nozferatunozferatu - 8/3/2008 1:10:11 AM
-5 Boost
Anyone who doesn't need a 4 passenger car will be fine with this car...it's absolutely retarded to have even a compact car like a Toyota Corolla if all you are going to be doing 80% of the time is sitting in traffic.


aarononymousaarononymous - 8/3/2008 3:26:39 PM
+1 Boost
So the 20% of the time you need more than a smart you rent a bigger car or truck?


nozferatunozferatu - 8/4/2008 2:42:07 AM
0 Boost
Yeah sure...why not?

It's akin to saying I'll wear dress shoes all the time instead of when I need them.


aarononymousaarononymous - 8/4/2008 10:38:45 PM
+2 Boost
renting a car say 10% of the time is going to cut you fuel savings big time


WorldofLuxuryWorldofLuxury - 8/3/2008 1:13:31 AM
-2 Boost
I like SUVs. I feel like I can do everything in them...nearly. lol
It feels safe in them besides the fact that your head is shining like a gun target. I'd buy the Range Rover if it weren't for it's poor quality, so that leaves me the Lexus LX...but its looks are nothing to fancy.

I guess I'm gonna have to wait for the next generation :(


nozferatunozferatu - 8/3/2008 1:14:49 AM
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Plus...this whole thing about "life is too short to drive boring cars..."

LOL....I think that guy (whoever he is on this site) who has all those M3's, etc....it would have been cheaper and more useful for him to have just gotten a penile enlargement...alot cheaper.

Anyone who's driven some fantastic cars in Europe would understand the meaning of exciting, small, efficient cars. Those who haven't...well...go around saying the life is too short crap.


Agent00JAgent00J - 8/3/2008 8:35:30 AM
+1 Boost
"LOL....I think that guy (whoever he is on this site) who has all those M3's, etc....it would have been cheaper and more useful for him to have just gotten a penile enlargement...alot cheaper."

I am that guy, and yes I have an M3, and I have tried penile enlargement and it just doesn't seem to want to work for me.

With that out of the way, most of us have not driven exciting small cars, we are used to large cars. Small cars are not the preferred method of travel in the US, we have a lot more open expanse instead of the crowded city traffic Europe is used too.

This is why I poised the question as to whether true change would come from this summers gas crisis.

-00J


nozferatunozferatu - 8/4/2008 2:44:06 AM
+2 Boost
"This is why I poised the question as to whether true change would come from this summers gas crisis."

Sorry that the penile enlargements haven't worked out...I hear the doctor who does it makes a HUGE difference...no pun intended.

And let's hope the summer fuel prices go through the roof to make a difference.


truckmentruckmen - 8/3/2008 4:43:51 AM
+2 Boost
I will be buying a suv or a truck next summer to haul my future toys around in. And it will be a few years old so it will be half price and I will not drive it that much, my civic will be the commuter and the larger gas guzzler to haul the growing family around in. Why doesn't anyone make an efficient hybrids in a suv? And this smart car is the last car in the world that I would buy! My civic achieves comparable gas mileage and it carries 5!


truckmentruckmen - 8/7/2008 2:54:12 PM
+1 Boost
Unfortunately you are right, they are the only large hybrids available. I can't wait until the next generation of high powered electric cars become available, Torque on electric motors is 100% at 0 RPM.


likeitalllikeitall - 8/3/2008 8:56:31 AM
+2 Boost
I bought a 500cc Scooter (Aprilia Scarabeo) to go to work. I can afford a big SUV (actually my other daily ride is an F150) and went through Audi, Mercedes and my last one an M3, but there is something about riding on 2 wheels that makes my commute much more exciting! Besides I'll probably be insulted by many but I think that gasoline should be even more expensive to limit SUV use to what they were intended for: hauling stuff (and family). Commuting in an SUV is non sense...


aarononymousaarononymous - 8/3/2008 9:32:57 AM
+2 Boost
A smart diesel makes sense, but the mpg of the gas Smart isn't impressive enough to give up passanger & luggage space, especially for the price. Any real world numbers?

We get 36-38mpg hwy in our Mazda3 2.0 which isn't far of the Smart published numbers.


Bmw8terBmw8ter - 8/3/2008 10:31:45 AM
+1 Boost
If i'm going to attempt to save fuel and risk serious bodily injury at the same time, I'm gonna go with one of these:

http://www.boom-trikes-usa.com/products/fighter.htm

I'm almost positive it uses the same I4 that's in your Mazda3 2.0L, and gets pretty much the same mpgs.




aarononymousaarononymous - 8/3/2008 12:02:40 PM
+2 Boost
If you're refering to the Mazda I think I'll stick with it & take my chances. If you're are refering to to the SMART then yes you're probably better off. At least you'll be ejected away from the crash instead of being trapped in the "safety cell" ;^)


Bmw8terBmw8ter - 8/3/2008 5:43:35 PM
+2 Boost
I was referring to the Smart. After seeing that 70mph crash into a concrete Jersey barrier, i'd rather take my chances with an ejection from a motorcycle, than with a Smart Car.

Very few people take into consideration the inertia of their organs in an accident; their body has stopped, but the organs are still moving. I knew a guy that survived a head-on collision in a Dodge Dakota 5.9L, but died a few weeks later because he bruised his heart really bad in the accident.


Threepoint1415926Threepoint1415926 - 8/3/2008 9:25:55 PM
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I dont understand your argument BMW8ter, any car ramming into a wall would pose the same health risks associated with sudden acceleration. The video demonstration showed the smart car to be a success, not a failure. Further, as an avid motorcycle rider, not the MSF nor any other motorcycle safety group believes that ditching is a safe alternative to staying on the bike. You are far more likely to be killed after being ejected than you would be remaining on the bike.


Bmw8terBmw8ter - 8/3/2008 10:48:51 PM
+1 Boost
Here's my logic: the average vehicle in the U.S. is a midsized car. You have a higher likelihood of entering into a collision with a midsized car than you do any other kind of car. The Smart has less mass than a midsized car(less mass than most any car in the U.S.). And even though it will maintain it's rigidity for the most part, the passengers will be pingponged on the inside, more than likely getting all kinds of massive internal injuries.

So I have a choice here, get wrecked like hell in a Smart, or go flying off a trike and die. Neither sound at all inviting but, I'll take my chances with a trike.


atomicbriatomicbri - 8/3/2008 10:10:07 AM
+2 Boost
I have no use for a large SUV or truck so I would never buy one. I think it is silly when I see 1 person drive around in a truck or SUV and they never do anything other than drive in it. I do think that is a total waste. The dropping fuel cost I suspect is due to the fact of Bush saying he lifts the ban on offshore drilling, so I am sure that caused a knee jerk reaction in the oil industry, but I think it will creep back up before long. I drive a BMW 335i and a VW Golf (Rabbit) and I get decent mileage in both of them. I thought about a scooter myself. More for the fact of less congestion (live in NYC here)and the smart I think would be smart here in NYC, not so sure about in a small town where the nearest Wally World is like 20 miles away. I understand our country is large, but I think that is no excuse to be wasteful. It is a waste to drive a huge car if it is only 2 people or 1 person in a family unless you actually use the vehicle for its intended purpose. I think you can have a decent size car and have good efficiency.


nozferatunozferatu - 8/4/2008 2:49:20 AM
+2 Boost
And what are those benefits you speak of that you can't have with an ordinary car?? What are these benefits that your life just can't do without?

Utahkid...obviously you have no understanding regarding the consequences of using oil...abundant or not. It's bad news...and it's going to get worse.

Just because something is abundant, it doesn't mean you have to gorge it or use it to the point of excess. Just because you have a freaking apple pie sitting in front of your face, does it mean you have to shove the whole thing down your throat?? And since when did you think it's your's to use anyway?

I just realized the apple pie analogy is pointless in this society as we have one of the world's worst obesity problems...lol.


MadibaPMadibaP - 8/4/2008 6:17:22 AM
+1 Boost
utahnkid you have NO idea of what is happening in the world do you?

1. The earth is not flat
2. There are other countries in the world besides America
3. These other countries also use oil
4. theses other countries are growing faster than the USA
5. Oil refineries are not in abundance and neither is the rate at which oil can be extracted
6. The energy cost of extraction is rising and has been since the first barrel of oil was extracted
7. This IS a serious factor; the world average USED to be 1 barrel of oil used per 100 extracted, it is now 1 barrel used per 5 extracted. So a larger and larger proportion of oil is being used to extract the remaining oil
8. because of this we will never recover all the oil, since an energy cost or 1 barrel for 1 barrel makes no sense!
9. This is not a temporary problem, it is permanent, current and future problem.
10. Education is not the same thing as wishful thinking



MadibaPMadibaP - 8/5/2008 8:18:57 AM
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utankid you are fuelling the perception that Americans are ignorant to the point of stupidity.

provide a single piece of evidence for your claim that oil is plentiful and that the current price of petrol is temporary! Just one shred of real evidence will do.

Here is a link from wikipedia on the world oil reserves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

Please note the total of top twelve reserves 'Reserve life' average is 65 years.

So tell me, as the population rises and reserves fall and the years count down, how is the current price temporary?


goochgooch - 8/5/2008 11:19:06 AM
+2 Boost
MadibaP, while I understand what you're trying to say, believe me, what is listed on Wiki is NOT true nor is it even accurate. Utahnkid is correct in saying there is plenty of oil. In fact, in the 1970s, many scientists were saying the same thing environmentalists are saying now: "We're going to run out of oil in XX number of years..."
Then Saudi Arabia will find another reserve that can supply the world's needs for another 250 years at the current rate of consumption.
None of the figures I've been able to find anywhere even contemplate oceanic deposits. Oil is out there.
And don't get me wrong -- I'm not advising that we just drill everywhere, but it is a fallacy to state we're going to run out of oil. Not in our lifetimes, nor our children's, nor their children's.


MadibaPMadibaP - 8/10/2008 6:32:49 AM
+1 Boost
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/the_money_programme/archive/1602335.stm

"The school of thought predicting early depletion is led by Dr. Campbell. In a 45-year career as an exploration geologist, working for BP, Texaco, Amoco and Fina, he has looked for oil all over the world.

Decline and fall

After studying data from the world's 18 thousand oil fields, Campbell concluded that the oil will begin to run short in five years time. He said: "From 2005 onwards, we see the beginning of the long term decline in conventional oil production. I think it will probably fall roughly 3% a year. "Demand, on the other hand is growing at 2% a year. That means there's a shortfall, and by about 2020, there will be a shortfall of something like 40%." Scarcity will drive up the price."


MadibaPMadibaP - 8/10/2008 7:06:04 AM
+1 Boost
I want you to understand something. Because you come from America, which is so inward looking, you very likely have little to no idea of what is really going on in the world, on just about any international topic you may care to pick. It is your nations national past time to say 'God bless America' and feel good, without actually finding out anything or asking any questions about what you have been told. try and get your head round this one:

You don't know, that you don't know!

every kind of institution, state or private, on earth, that has anything at all to do with oil, is looking at the looming oil shortage problem and wondering what the world is going to do.

Co2 caused climate change is a hoax, 911 was an inside job in which the US government played a very active role in both planning and executing, the African bees are a hoax as is the bird flu threat. But the oil shortage is real.

Your school libraries have books in them from the 70's. Wake up. The Brazil oil find, also reported on the BBC, forms 2.7 years of the output of Saudi output alone, or 372 days of the worlds current production of the top 5 oil producing countries. This is not a future saving massive find, its a top up!

The shale oil in Utah is slow to extract and as such can't be a replacement for the current light and heavy crude oil supply, because the rate of demand outstrips the rate of extraction. This can be seen in Canada, where sand oil is being extracted from a massive reserve, but at a fraction of the rate as from a light oil reserve of a similar size. And sand oil is both easier and faster to process than shale oil!


Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 8/3/2008 11:08:22 AM
+3 Boost
The smart gets 33 MPG City, 41 Highway, 36 combined.

That, to me, is not a breakthrough figure that is going to attract a mainstream crowd.

To succeed beyond the look-at-how-green-I-am crowd, you need some functionality. Otherwise why else would you buy this?


BimmerFanBimmerFan - 8/3/2008 11:56:04 AM
+2 Boost
In my part of the country, SMART cars are considered accessories. I overheard a co-worker (female) having a hard time deciding what color to get. She wanted to make sure the color didnt clash with most of her outfits! Seriously! Women are treating SMART cars like jewelry. LOL. Its true!


Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 8/3/2008 12:57:53 PM
+1 Boost
Yes, that is true about it being a fashion accessory. In Los Angeles, Smart has a showroom on Abbot Kinney, which is a hotspot close to Venice Beach.


nozferatunozferatu - 8/4/2008 2:50:28 AM
+1 Boost
And a BMW isn't a fashion statement?


goochgooch - 8/5/2008 11:22:12 AM
+1 Boost
nozferatu, while many people may view a Bimmer as an "accessory" or "fashion statement," I can assure you there are many drivers who use them in the manner that built their reputation -- they drive them.
Some even drive them well.


BimmerFanBimmerFan - 8/3/2008 11:51:19 AM
+1 Boost
The gas prices gave me a huge excuse to buy that MiniCooper S Ive been wanting for a long time. I see it as an adult go-cart and will make my commutes to work really enjoyable and more economical. I will save my BMWs for weekends, nights out and special occasions. My M cars get an average of 16 to 18 mpg. I'm part of the huge July surge in Mini purchases!
I honestly dont think gas prices are going down anytime soon and we will all just get used to the high prices just as we did when it hit $3 a gallon. In fact, gas is down to around $4 now in Seattle and I consider it cheap. LOL!


AudiphileAudiphile - 8/3/2008 3:05:44 PM
+1 Boost
I'm with you, BimmerFan. I wasn't at all surprised at the strong Mini sales - relatively inexpensive, very good gas mileage, easy to park, a blast to drive. The perfect commuter car.

I am currently driving a big car (Audi A8L) because I have to, for a variety of reasons. Well, those reasons no longer exist. My next car will probably be an Audi A4, Cadillac CTS, or BMW 335i/335d. (The Jaguar XF and BMW M3 are "dark horse" candidates.)

Personally, I don't think a car smaller than the current Mini (on the inside) will ever sell well in the U.S. (Coincidentally, I can fit in a Mini without a sunroof!) The SmartCar, in addition to being too small, is too expensive for its size, and it sgas mileage is low for its size. Also, the Smart's automatic transmission is awful!

Enjoy your Mini Cooper. I'd buy one too, but I sometimes carry more than one adult passenger!


StarStar - 8/3/2008 2:08:03 PM
-1 Boost
"America, its all about Large, extra large"

You mean it use to be about that. Not anymore.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 8/3/2008 6:26:42 PM
+3 Boost
It's cultural arrogance of those to suggest that American's are somehow ignorant because they don't follow the example of Europeans who choose to drive sport compacts. Different continent, different roads, different culture. Funny how the same people who impune Americans for not adopting the habits of Europeans would be the first ones to complain if I, or someone else, were to suggest the inverse—that Europeans should adopt American preferences regardless of their own cultural factors.


SisterOf00JSisterOf00J - 8/3/2008 7:32:30 PM
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A minor correction: we bought the scooters because I crashed the Element. It was spring break season in Florida; renting a car for the two weeks the Element was laid up would have cost us $2K. That's one scooter right there. We paid cash for one scooter and financed the second.

I never thought I'd be the type to enjoy riding on two wheels, but, as you know 00J, I love it, and have started a blog just to write about the joy I get living <a href="http://my2wheeledlife.com">My2WheeledLife</a>. We can afford to drive the Element, but enjoy the scooters more. The money saved on gas is a bonus. $50 every five days for the Element to fill her versus $8 every five days (if you only factor in the work commute) for two scooters. Frankly, that's how we're able now to do weekend mini-vacations.


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