BMW Ties Lexus In Latest Customer Satisfaction Survey

Lexus remained the top auto brand in a customer satisfaction survey joined by BMW while Buick and Cadillac and Lincoln Mercury fell.

Lexus again scored 87 of 100 points in the study released today by the University of Michigan's National Quality Research Center. BMW's 1-point gain from a year ago tied it with Toyota's luxury division. Toyota's main brand and Honda Motor Co.'s Honda were next, as both rose 2 points to 86 in the survey of buyers who've owned their vehicles between 6 months and 3 years.

``For GM, Ford and Chrysler the uphill struggle becomes more uphill,'' said Claes Fornell, who oversees the American Customer Satisfaction Index for the Ann Arbor, Michigan-based university. The slip for U.S. brands was partly the result of higher gasoline prices, he said in an interview yesterday.

2008 American Customer Satisfaction Index

Rank Make             2008   2007
 1   Lexus             87     87
 1   BMW               87     86
 2   Toyota            86     84
 2   Honda             86     84
 3   Buick             85     86
 3   Cadillac          85     86
 3   Saturn            85     81
 4   Lincoln-Mercury   83     86
 4   Hyundai           83     83
 4   GMC               83     82
 5   Mercedes-Benz     82     83
 5   Nissan            82     80
 6   Volkswagen        81     80
 7   Pontiac           80     80
 7   Ford              80     80
 7   Chrysler          80     79
 7   Mazda             80     78
 7   Kia               80     78
 8   Chevrolet         79     82
 9   Dodge             78     80
10   Jeep              76     75

Industry average       82     82

Source: University of Michigan's National Quality Research Center

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BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 8:52:10 AM

+13 Boost

OK Lexus bois, you have lost this bragging right now..

BMW="The Ultimate Driving Machine" and "The Ultimate Satisfaction Machine"

BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 9:09:37 AM

+26 Boost

Homer, I was 26 in 1989 and barely felt a tremor.

Funny statement about the "bois" when you use Homer Simpson as your avatar and profile name..

BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 9:20:36 AM

+15 Boost

Well, I just gave you a compliment, and now I see you have trashed me..

I was beginning to think you might be different, but now I see you are just like most others on here.

So fire with fire...

Agent63 - 8/19/2008 9:24:48 AM

+20 Boost

Homer,

Lexus fans have nothing to brag about besides their beloved Hybrid technology. There's nothing exciting about the LS I purchased but it does its job very well. I doesn't have the curb appeal of my S550 but then again an S-Class has always been a marquee name.

Another phrase used by kids.

"You've just been POWNED!".

silver1 - 8/19/2008 10:13:33 AM

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how has the Lexus fans loss the bragging rights? This study was done by a university and not a reliable source like consumer reports and JD Power. It probably was done by some students who is 17yrs who loves to drive fast.....and that's satisfication to them....therefore ranking BMW tied with Lexus with this unreliable source......

The worlds knows no one comes close to Lexus when satisfing there customers. Lexus treat their customers like a GOD. Self parking for example....

WorldofLuxury - 8/19/2008 11:43:31 AM

+15 Boost

ahahha...BMWnumber1, I like how you said "The Ultimate Satisfaction Machine" :D

lol...I don't care, really. Like I've said before, I'm a big fan and proud owner of BOTH a Sensual Bimmer and a couple of Sexy Lexy's!

AudiNewEngland - 8/19/2008 9:03:44 AM

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That's what I was thinking Homer007,

BMW drivers are only happy with their cars as now they can show off their new bimmers as if they are luxurious and well built.

...And Lexus owners are too old to form a valid opinion.

BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 9:18:12 AM

+18 Boost

Homer, I would like to thank you for being gracious in your statement "These 4 are the gold medalists, Job well done!"

Thanks for making intelligent comments. This site does need more "intelligent" posts and less ignorance.

Agent009 - 8/19/2008 9:34:58 AM

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Homer I assume Audi and Infiniti are not on there for either too small of a sample size or they are included in with the parent overall for some reason.

hao420 - 8/19/2008 11:18:44 AM

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Acura not on the list?

bmwman1963 - 8/19/2008 9:05:23 AM

+17 Boost

It is hilarious how Toyota doesn't seperate Lexus' bottom line figures when it posts it's profit margins BUT...... When it comes to Customer Satisfaction it happily seperate itself from Toyota.

Toyota,Lexus= Spin it the way it looks best on paper!

QuantumMatrix - 8/19/2008 9:58:19 AM

+16 Boost

Toyota seperated itself from Lexus on this report because it looked good. Notice how Nissan (Infiniti), Volkswagen (Audi,Porsche), Honda (Acura) did not seperate themselves from their children.

M35MT - 8/19/2008 11:23:24 AM

+5 Boost

from a business standpoint it makes sense...that's why they make money.

Targa - 8/19/2008 12:13:44 PM

0 Boost

VW is a child of Porsche, not the other way around, so I don't know what is up with this survey

Agent009 - 8/19/2008 2:06:24 PM

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Actually they call term the "Spin" as "proper representation". They just want to be very clear.

_43LE - 8/19/2008 9:24:31 AM

+21 Boost

Congrats to BMW and Lexus!

bmwman1963 - 8/19/2008 9:48:16 AM

+23 Boost

Typical comment from you huu... Do you ever get tired of repeating the same old lease garbage?

I guess that is the weapon you have to use.

Funny, how you never talk about how Toyota doesn't seperate Lexus from itself when reporting financial data..

enthusiastx11 - 8/19/2008 2:26:42 PM

+6 Boost

you're so smart huu.

with regard to lexus, let's just be clear that they're probably not profitable since toyota releases no financial data for the brand. let us know when they have the guts.

sstainba - 8/19/2008 10:03:31 AM

+18 Boost

who cares about leases? what on EARTH does that have to do with the performance or quality of a car? it sounds like you are saying that people buy lexus because they're cheaper. incidentally, i'm about to BUY (not lease) a second BMW this week - to make a grand total of 4 currently-owned BMWs.

sstainba - 8/19/2008 10:13:50 AM

+17 Boost

you didn't bother answering the question.... what does a lease have to do with the quality/performance of the car? millions of others also bought big houses they couldn't afford and look where that got us. if all you can afford is the lease payment, you probably shouldn't be driving that car.

SixxFive - 8/19/2008 10:03:40 AM

+17 Boost

Way to go BMW!

_43LE - 8/19/2008 11:10:53 AM

-3 Boost

I find it funny how every comment that has a pro Lexus feel here is boosted way low and every pro BMW comment is boosted really high. Looks like the fanboys are using their multiple log-ins again to hide their insecurities. Honestly, within 2 hours that many boosts and deboosts?

silver1 - 8/19/2008 11:13:14 AM

-1 Boost

Your Right...

The Screen Name "Star" has about 15 different log ins

audirevolution - 8/19/2008 11:16:07 PM

+2 Boost

Silver1:

Funny how you don't think you're a troll yourself.
Same can be said about you..

bmwman1963 - 8/21/2008 9:30:41 AM

+1 Boost

That's about 1500 less screen names than you have silver1 aka prancinghorse aka teknik aka auto001

M35MT - 8/19/2008 11:16:37 AM

+4 Boost

You gotta love how 43LE was the only one to congratulate both...and his boost hasnt been touched.

When is www.bmwvslexus.com starting up?

silver1 - 8/19/2008 11:25:22 AM

-21 Boost

It's actually www.Lexus-VS-Theworld.com

STJ88 - 8/19/2008 11:21:42 AM

+17 Boost

Why hate lexus or BMW, it looks like i'm one of the few non haters on this site.

cckw - 8/19/2008 11:22:33 AM

-17 Boost

There are lies, dam lies and statistic! The fact the BMWs are infamous for electronic problems and reliability problems, BMW owners are liars when filling out the questioner! LOL!

STJ88 - 8/19/2008 11:23:34 AM

+13 Boost

People with multiple login's need to get a life. Autospies should log you IP adress so you can only have one.

LexSucks - 8/19/2008 11:56:18 AM

+4 Boost

What if you have more than one machine? I have a desktop, laptop, and a work PC all with different IP addreses. Even if Autospies did limit on IPs there are still folks that could create multiple accounts anyway

0to60 - 8/19/2008 12:14:26 PM

+4 Boost

In that case, they have WAY To much time on their hands. Like how does Star comment on stuff so frequently. He cant have a job although I am typing this at work as we speak now, lol.

Lemonade - 8/19/2008 1:14:55 PM

+6 Boost

Lexsucks,

I can really appreciate your honesty on how you're able to log on to different aliases simultaneously to help deboost all these Lexus fan boys. WOW! You're amazingly SAD!

sector - 8/19/2008 2:49:23 PM

-2 Boost

Star will comment less when summer is over and school's in session. I think he's getting ready to pick up some back to school supplies as we speak.

LexSucks - 8/20/2008 11:22:17 AM

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Lemonade,

I only have one account. What I was explaining was an example. I guess reading comprehension failed you in school. LOL!!

LexSucks - 8/20/2008 11:22:25 AM

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Lemonade,

I only have one account. What I was explaining was an example. I guess reading comprehension failed you in school. LOL!!

Lemonade - 8/20/2008 4:02:27 PM

+1 Boost

right.... sure you were buddy...

LexSucks - 8/22/2008 12:14:22 PM

+1 Boost

What is this? Guilty until proven innocent? Puhleeze!

Lemonade - 8/22/2008 3:11:31 PM

+1 Boost

Well, maybe you shouldn't leave yourself WIDE open next time.

sstainba - 8/19/2008 11:30:17 AM

+16 Boost

hm... an ip can easily be changed. and if someone really has that much time on their hands to use multiple accounts to try to boost themselves on a website - which i think is pathetic - they probably wouldn't mind dropping/renewing their ip lease.

sector - 8/19/2008 11:46:58 AM

-18 Boost

Haha, this is about as believable as the M3 beating the GT-R in the Car & Driver comparison test :)

Besides over 65% of BMW sales are leases, while less than 40% of Lexus' sales are Leases, these people will not experience first hand the true cost of ownership of BMW as all the costs are covered. Do a satisfaction survey "after" the lease term and what the result will be like. BMW repair garages are usually busier than a emergency room, a lot of broken down cars in there :)

BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 12:13:35 PM

+14 Boost

If your figures are indeed correct, it might be because BMW has the highest residual of any luxury car maker in the world.

If you check consumer reports it recommends the 3, 5 and 7 series.

As far as BMW repair garages go I find you way off base.. My BMW's have been flawless. I only see the dealership once a year for an oil change and service, which by the way is paid for by BMW. The one Lexus I owned screwed me every time I took it in for service. $$$$$$$$$$$$ everytime for the recommended oil change on the Lex.. Soon traded it for another BMW.

My father has a 2000 BMW with over 100,000 miles on it and the only problem he ever had with it was a power window rotor that was replaced free of charge.

So I guess that blows your repair conspiracy theory out of the water.

0to60 - 8/19/2008 12:30:50 PM

-8 Boost

Consumer reports recommmends the 7 series? This is news to me

0to60 - 8/19/2008 12:33:44 PM

-7 Boost

I thought infiniti had the highest residual award?
http://www.infiniti.com/about/news-events.html?articleID=AlgLuxury&v=all&y=all&intcmp=ALG_Award.Promo.About.Vision.P3

0to60 - 8/19/2008 12:35:12 PM

-6 Boost

I had issues with BMW's. The 3 series hold up very well and should be recommended. I have noticed trouble with the X5 and the 7 series. A lot of trouble with the X5's but I still love them!

BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 12:38:35 PM

+7 Boost

Yes, consumer reports recommends the 7 series.

As a whole, BMW has the highest residual value of any luxury car maker.

sector - 8/19/2008 12:47:15 PM

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BMWnumber1, it's good thing your father didn't have to go through the "no reverse" transmission(ZF5HP19) failures on 3/5 series, X3 and X5 from 1999 model years; that could have been costly.

BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 12:52:01 PM

+8 Boost

Almost as costly as the transmission failure of my 2002 Lexus ES300 that plagued Lexus for years.

sector - 8/19/2008 1:39:54 PM

-9 Boost

That "lazy transmission and hesitation" issue was resolved by Lexus using a new chip (engine computer). It was fixed by Lexus at "no cost" both parts and labor. Problem solved.

BMW on the other hand denied their transmission problem (complete loss of reverse gear) and customers had to foot the bill at the tune of $3500!

sstainba - 8/19/2008 12:26:42 PM

+13 Boost

The biggest problem I've had with my 02 e46 is a leaking windshield washer fluid tank.

sstainba - 8/19/2008 12:43:55 PM

+13 Boost

i assume that is a joke since i can't imagine anyone taking that comment seriously.

BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 12:47:36 PM

+14 Boost

And now you have met MichaelTaylor.. LOL

sstainba - 8/19/2008 1:41:39 PM

+10 Boost

oddly enough, i always see the germans (usually bmw) winning the performance tests. many of the articles i've read in the recent months have only had one "negative" thing to say about bimmers and that was the idrive. and while i think it could be improved, it's not that difficult to use. my only complaint with that system is that the processor could be faster.

i know a guy who had a 325i for hiw wife and an m3 for him. he traded them and got a lx470 and he does like it very much. though, as much as he likes the lexus, he still says his bimmer was more fun and he liked it better. he is looking to get an m5 in the future. (need room for the kids, ya know)

answer - 8/19/2008 12:46:51 PM

0 Boost

What's a fanboy to do?

Do you trash the list because Lexus is at number one, or do you embrace it and brag because BMW is also at number one?

sector - 8/19/2008 12:51:51 PM

-12 Boost

Lexus is always #1 in customer satisfaction, that's a given for the last 10yrs.

BMW being #1 is about as believable as O.J Simpson being innocent :)

ICON - 8/19/2008 1:58:06 PM

+7 Boost

"Every Lexus owner I know loves his Lexus and will only consider Lexus until the day they die."

Given the demographics for Lexus buyers that is usually a matter of days. :}

BMWnumber1 - 8/19/2008 3:19:31 PM

+7 Boost

ICON, I have to hand it to you, that is damn funny and true at the same time.. CLASSIC ONE LINER!!!

Thumbs WAY UP!!!

delan - 8/19/2008 1:34:41 PM

+4 Boost

Good for BMW. Given the economic climate, as a car enthusiast I am glad to see any brand do well.

audirevolution - 8/19/2008 2:55:57 PM

+5 Boost

You do know that BMW's are very reliable right?
Consumer reports recommends most of the BMW models, including the 5. JD-powers consistently gives them high marks. Sure, Lexus tops the reliability charts, but just because BMW is lower doesn't mean reliability is horrendous. BMW ranked higher than HONDA, Infiniti, and Nissan according to the latest 2008 J.D. power dependability rating.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-j-d-power-vehicle-dependability-study/964226/

You are a troll. No better than Silver1

Alec - 8/19/2008 1:52:49 PM

+6 Boost

Congrats to BMW and Lexus. And to all the haters, i dont know what you see in both these companies, but theyre doing a pretty good job to be ranked high.

E36er - 8/19/2008 1:53:49 PM

-6 Boost

Here we go again, I don't like Lexus but I can tell you that BMW's have a luke-warm rep for reliability. I should know, I own a couple of BMW's myself. As I said before, Germans cannot build great cars inexpensively. They cut corners where they shouldn't i.e. the coolant system. I won't even go into the utter lack of build quality of BMW's Mini. Bmw Mini = Trabant.

steve27t - 8/19/2008 10:20:41 PM

+2 Boost

You obviously do not know what you are talking about. The mini is one of the best engineered high quality cars of our time, and overbuilt. It is an expensive car to build because of this, if you read anything vaguely related to the mini you would know this.

enthusiastx11 - 8/19/2008 2:11:46 PM

+6 Boost

now there's truly NO REASON to buy a lexus.

bmw offers equal quality and tons more fun in one car. no wonder lexus sales are down so massively.

sector - 8/19/2008 3:36:55 PM

-6 Boost

Anyone who doesn't have a money tree in their backyard has a reason to buy Lexus, as it won't dry up your wallet.

People buy Lexuses but people lease BMWs. What this means is that BMW = continuous income stream

and

Lexus = periodic purchase. And since Lexus lasts so long, they don't have high turnover as BMW, and this is reflected in the sales numbers.

BMW3forMe - 8/19/2008 4:01:12 PM

+11 Boost

I have bought and paid for every BMW and other luxury car I have owned.

Not everyone leases their car.

I see many BMW and MB's from the 1960's and 70's still on the road, longer than Lexus has been in existence.

I can make an intelligent observation based on the fact that Lexus = Toyota. I don't see many Toyota's 40 to 50 years old still running and on the road.

QuantumMatrix - 8/19/2008 4:13:35 PM

+9 Boost

lease, lease, lease

That must have been the first word you ever spoke in life.

Is that all you know how to post in order to defend your precious Lexus/Toyota?

QuantumMatrix - 8/19/2008 4:16:35 PM

+9 Boost

There really is no intelligent answer to such a dumb, stupid comment as the one just posted by you...

david999 - 8/19/2008 4:38:03 PM

-5 Boost

Why do you attack huu76 for stating the facts?

enthusiastx11 - 8/19/2008 6:19:46 PM

+4 Boost

and why does all this matter huu?

bmw is immensely profitable (who knows if lexus is...still waiting for financials).

and bmw has the highest residual values of any brand.

and, guess what, people pay top dollar for those bmws coming off leases. and those are purchases huu. purchases.

fyi--i have always leased my bmws. i could easily afford to buy them. but leasing makes good business sense as it's TAX-DEDUCTIBLE and i want a new car every 2 or 3 years anyone. for me, buying would be STUPID.

QuantumMatrix - 8/19/2008 4:10:20 PM

+6 Boost

Huu, do you really want to go into the recall issues??

Because I can promise you Toyota and Lexus have had more than there fair share over the couple years.

enthusiastx11 - 8/19/2008 6:23:41 PM

+4 Boost

and what if your brakes didn't work properly? (the LS) a little more important in day-to-day than an airbag.

and what if the steering in your car was so numb that you really couldn't maneuver as well to avoid accidents? (every lexus except the ISF).

and what if driving your car was so quiet and boring that you might actually fall asleep? (every lexus except the ISF)

etc. etc.

there's a reason the average lexus buyer is a 60 year old woman.

david999 - 8/19/2008 4:40:58 PM

-1 Boost

Hyundai ahead of Mercedes for satisfaction! The badge whores must be
jumping off cliffs.

enthusiastx11 - 8/19/2008 6:29:59 PM

0 Boost

yes, every mercedes driver is going to trade in their car for a hyundai and then leap off the terrace of their home.

you have such a profound understanding of consumer behavior. it's startling.

david999 - 8/19/2008 8:35:48 PM

+1 Boost

Don't where a helmet when you jump.

david999 - 8/19/2008 8:36:20 PM

+1 Boost

Correction "wear"

noname00 - 8/19/2008 7:03:07 PM

+1 Boost

Not only Audi and Land Rover/Range Rover are missing. Where are Jaguar, Subaru, Volvo? Porsche could be on this list also, they sold ~100.000 cars last year.

quizz - 8/19/2008 7:16:06 PM

+5 Boost

Actually, the University of Michigan National Quality Research Center is one of the most accurate and respected measures of "consumer satisfaction". As a matter of fact, they have licensed their proprietary data processes to investment companies and hedge funds for quant analysis when picking stocks.

JD Powers is a distant second when compared to the Michigan data. Ask anybody in Wall Street which info is more accurate or has more leverage. JD Powers is for marketing purposes (think Motor Trend or Popular Science), but the Michigan analysis is what Fortune 500 companies use when they need "real" data (think The Economist or Scientific American).

audirevolution - 8/19/2008 10:38:16 PM

+3 Boost

I've noticed that whenever you have nothing to say, you spew out comments that have no relavence and make no sense.

enthusiastx11 - 8/19/2008 9:47:16 PM

+6 Boost

yes, we were all really to kill ourselves last year when lexus scored 87 and bmw scored only 86. i mean, any reasonable person can see the MASSIVE statistically significant difference between 86 and 87.

bmw scoring well on these satisfaction surveys is nothing new.

enthusiastx11 - 8/19/2008 9:48:33 PM

+5 Boost

how many bmws have you and your family owned? we haven't had any problems with ours. thanks!

audirevolution - 8/19/2008 10:36:50 PM

+4 Boost

Hey HondaJap:

Since you think BMWs are unreliable, I'll give you this. BMW ranked above HONDA, above Nissan, and above Infiniti in the latest vehicle dependability survey done by JD powers. In fact, even Audi and Benz were higher than Nissan. If you don't own the cars, you have no right to say they're unreliable. My BMW 335i and Audi Q7 have been flawless. BMWs are highly recommended by consumer reports as well. Drive/own a BMW first before speaking again.

"Krauts" build some of the worlds best cars. They are the overall benchmark in performance, prestige, luxury, and design. But then again, you wouldn't know what good design is (you like Hondas..) This is one fact though. The Japanese are the benchmark in electronics/technology.

If "Krauts" don't know how to build cars, then the "Jap Hirohito loving war-criminal monkeys" don't even know what a car is. SCION, Mazda, Subaru, Suzuki, and Izuzu performed MUCH MUCH worse than MBenz and Audi.

2008 Dependability Survey:

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008115

bmwman1963 - 8/19/2008 8:53:18 PM

+6 Boost

Hey Jerk HondaJapan, we know who you are, we thought you had been deleted but sadly you are back.

My cousin has a 2006 BMW 7 series and it has never been back to the dealership other than oil changes and routine maint.

He is very satisfied with it too, in fact his father has a LEXUS that has been crappy and is considering trading it in on a new 7 series when they come out in the fall.

BMW makes reliable cars, just read any report. You are the freakin' JapBadgeWhore....

My 3 series has been flawless too.

So how about stating facts instead of your delusional fictitous statements.

xj13 - 8/19/2008 11:49:51 PM

+2 Boost

GO BM!

MPowerDK - 8/20/2008 2:55:32 AM

+2 Boost

I own a BMW 316i live en Denmark.

I have had no problems at all, only oil changes have been done at my car.

The only thing/problem i have is that i would like more hp, but my car costed me around USD 67.000,00 cars are so expensive here.

A BMW 335 sedan cost here in Denmark USD 140.000,00 standard. USD 2000 for metallic paint and so it goes on.

QuantumMatrix - 8/20/2008 10:19:37 AM

+7 Boost

Huu,

No chance of me quitting and starting a new user account bacause of your petty, lame and uneducated statements.

You've embarassed yourself quite enough already.

I've read some of your other posts on here:

You said the Lexus IS350 is not a direct competitor to the BMW 335i, because the Lexus did not have turbos.. How stupid is that. The BMW 335i has a smaller engine 3.0L and the Lexus IS350 has a 3.5L..

Now who is embarassed!!!

You just can't stand it because BMW is always the benchmark and slays everything that is pitted against it..

Oh and by the way did you read the title of this thread??? Now you can't say BMW customers are not satisfied with their cars because BMW now is top dog along with Lexus.

Oh, and consumer reports recommends the 3 series, the 5 series and the 7 series too.

Unbiased Facts for you Huu...

enthusiastx11 - 8/20/2008 11:08:23 AM

+6 Boost

"lame rehashes"

wow. that's the pot calling the kettle black.

all we hear from you is:

1. how your brother/neighbor/friend is paying 8.5% interest to finance a lexus.
2. that all bmws are leased
3. that all bmws fall apart
etc. etc.

talk about rehash.

sector - 8/20/2008 3:32:46 PM

-4 Boost

Facts are facts fellas. Huu is right.

QuantumMatrix - 8/21/2008 12:27:02 PM

+1 Boost

Attention Sales Alert for auto001 and Huu76:

Infiniti is offering ZERO percent financing on some of their models for up to 72 months.

On all other models it is 0.9% and 1.9% for up to 60 months.

I guess they are giving their cars away, because they can't sell them..

That's been your excuse for BMW, please let me know your "SPIN" on this subject.

darzav - 8/22/2008 1:22:20 AM

+2 Boost

Hey people. BMW's are awsome vehicles and are truely make the best cars in the market. However closely hunted by all the other German car makers. Lexus arent entertaining. In fact they are dead boring.

Anyway. I would like to know if the BMW X5's were ever built in Germany? Or were they always built in the States? As far as i know, the engines are built in Germany then shiped to the states. Someone please tell me asap. Cheers.

darzav - 8/22/2008 1:22:24 AM

+2 Boost

darzav - 8/22/2008 9:39:52 PM

+1 Boost

Im just wondering. A friend of mine owns a 4.4i from 2005 and he says it was built in Germany. Im aware that they were always built in the States while the engines are built in Germany. Please tell me. Cheers.