Sarah Palin Opens A Can Of Alaskan Whoop-Ass On Obama And Democrats-But What Does She Drive?

How can someone who cannot even keep her own 17 Year old Daughter from getting knocked up run a country? I know single moms in the projects that did a better job brining up their daughters.

How can a guy getting oral sex in the oval office from a woman who is not his wife run a country?

STUPID point on either side...has NOTHING to do with capabilities politically.

001

What about her lack of experience? Zero international experience? Her husband being a member of a separatist group (if that were Michelle Obama she would be ostracized)? Her views on abortion (even in rape cases!)?

You think that she is fit to run the country? I don't

And I really do not care what she drives.

what the HELL is wrong with you people??? Does no one else but me & 001 realize that Palin kicked ass with her speech last night? Qualifications smalifcations I say. I'm ashamed to say I participate in this board when all of you are equating things like keeping a child from getting pregnant to the ability (or lack therof) to govern our country. Maybe we need a socialist president and agenda-- is that what you guys want??? As soon as that happens, try having the FREEDOM and ability (let alone the disposable income that will vanish to taxes) to OWN & DRIVE THE CARS WE ALL CARE SO MUCH ABOUT!!!!! Look at Denmark, average trade cycle there for car ownership is almost 8 years, whereas here in the US its still less than 3 years. SOCIALISM = BAD THINGS FOR THE US.

Shame on you ALL if you deboost this- you are truly UN-American in your spirit if you feel we need to move in such a direction.

I believe her speech was KICK ASS!!!

McCain - Palin 08

How can anyone that believes, the earth was created in 6 days and we are all descendants from Adam and Eve, be allowed to have so much control over a great country?

I used to believe that until I started reading Michael Taylor's comments and I KNOW HE is NOT one of their descendants ;)

001

LexSucks, this election has nothing to do with a teen girl with a normal sex drive -- the only reason she became pregnant is because of silly politicians like her mother who are against sex education in schools and probably against birth control in general. I can't believe that there are so many gullible people who have been brainwashed by the religious right into believing that abstinence is realistic. I guess I should not be too surprised since these dupes also believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

LexSucks-

The age of consent is 16 years old in Alaska.

Stop being such a twit!

It figures that a Country who elected (TWICE) into the Highest Office a man who was famous for his Amazing Ability to Screwup every thing he comes into contact with, Will say Forget Qualifications when deciding who to vote for this November

And i have noticed the Fanatics are always the ones who use words such as " Liberals" and " Lefties"

EL34,

Doy you want the parent of a dysfunctional family running the Country? LOL!!

If McCain gets elected (and god forbid) something happens to him. That's what we will get as a president.

And Oh yeah, Teenage pregnancy isn't a good thing. Whether it is censensual or not.

LexSucks- I may agree with you about "car" matters, but you're way off base- how can you expect even the best parent to keep their kids from doing something like this & getting pregnant? What would you say to a person who had bad parents turning out "right"? Last time I checked, Sen. Obama was raised by his grandparents because his parents were AWOL/dysfunctional/whatever. Because his parents may have made bad decisions are we supposed to not trust him? It's the same sort of argument you're making in my opinion. And it doesn't hold water. We need to look at these people for their records- that is what shows what they are really about. Candidates can and do say all kinds of things in campains, rarely do the things they promise. I contend to you- what has Sen. Obama promised and delivered on through his career? Likewise what has Sen. McCain promised and delivered on in his career? And Gov. Palin? I look at facts and records- promises from politicians mean less than the paper they are printed on.

MichaelTaylor- Well I am least glad to see you actually grew some.

LOL MT. After that comment, your alright with me! LOL

Colmfarl, what are you? .... The descendent of an ape? MT and her daughters "big bang" is the only thing Im laughing about!

Funny,

I don't know any parent that were able to keep their kids from getting pregnant!

Funny,

I don't know any parent that were able to keep their kids from getting pregnant!

Michael Taylor,

LOL

0to60 - Funny guy. I just hope you're being a cynic. But you maybe right. We're not descended from apes and Adam and Eve might have been from the deep south. That would explain how we got a 2nd generation at least!

LexSucks, what really sucks here is YOU. Your comments are unbelievably uneducated and low class.

You've always proved yourself being an idiot that's why you've chosen the most stupid nickname for yourself.

ALL the candidates left running in this election are great and capable in my opinion.

They have different philosophies and ideas but any of them can do the job.

001

Great point, Teknik, as opposed to Obama's vast foreign policy experience. That's right, he did just give a speech over in Europe last month, so I guess that counts. And by the way, he's on the top of the ticket with little to no foreign policy experience whereas Palin is #2.

Nevertheless, I really can't stand either ticket, but I'll be damned if I'm voting to give the Dems complete control over our Federal Gov't with the WH and Congress. Last time that happened we got the "New Deal" and "Great Society" disasters.

cktoo, I think that it's pretty obvious from the uproarious response in Germany that Obama will have no problem connecting with other parts of the world. A helluva lot better than who's doing it now, anyway.

What does that have to do with her capability to be VP? Remember, Obama was born to a 18 or 19 year old. It happens all over the country, and all over the world. Let is go, it's not a campaign issue, AND this article was about what her cars are.

If she cannot protect her own teenage daughter from getting pregnant, then how is she supposed to protect a Country?

Lexsux... Bush has been running (or supposedly running) this country now for 8 years and his daughters were uncontrollable at one point too! You obviously do not have children, they will do what they want when they are teens, I was one once and no power or authority my Air Force father could give me would stop me from doing what I wanted...call that the rise of an American spirit. It is that independent thought that has made this country what it is. I am not all about McCain or Obama, but can either of them run it, why not? Bush was elected twice and I disliked him as governor of Texas, did a lousy job in my opinion (family lives out there and didn't like him either)but our country still moves forward. I think Palin seems alright... she has as much experience as Baby Bush...he had no foreign experience and I am sure he called Daddy constantly for aid and answers to many of his questions....

I have a 19 Year old daughter in her 2nd year of college. Not all teens are reckless and crazy.

Not all teens are 100% obedient either.

It is part of growing up, and making mistakes. It is a growing experience that some times is learned the hard way. Some of the wildest kids I knew growing up, came for the most conservative and respected families.

In your case your are lucky, you have obviously done something right and your daughter is on the right track.

They interviewed her a few months ago asking her if she would ever want to work in the big office and she replied "me? in washington?? No way, I'm a hockey mom and on my kids PTA." Great news right?

Think of this, average life expectancy of an american male is 73.6 years of age. McCain is 72, in a year and half we could have Palin as president? No thanks, look I love hockey mom's but not running this country, especially not after what bush is leaving us with.

McCain has ensured that he will lose the election choosing Palin as a running mate.

She doesn't seem like a soccer/hockey mom to me. You name me one soccer/hockey mom that has ran any type of government whatsoever. Despite the pressure and critism she has had, she has managed to go through as a VP nominee no problem. Although I was not able to watch the speech last night, I know and we all know that her speech was amazing. She has been a mayor and a governer and that should be enough experience to start as Vice President. You name me one woman or man that is willing to express and admit all of her mistakes. The two people able to run in this election is McCain and Palin because they put Country First. As McCain said, "I would rather lose an election, than see this election lose a war."



McCain - Palin 2008

Have you learned nothing from the last 8 years? Honestly if McCain wins it won't be because of what he's going to do, or the things he promises to fix It's going to be because the majority of Americans are actually retarded. New rule, you need to be educated before you vote, it's not fair for us smart people.

First of all, I cannot vote because I am only thirteen. Second of all, what you said is something Obama would do.

MB King,

Are you familiar with the National Center for Research in Economic Education and Gallup Organization study of American economic literacy?

You may find their results interesting.

"Think of this, average life expectancy of an american male is 73.6 years of age. McCain is 72"

Just because I feel like being a bit precise- that is called a fallacy of division. Those are abstractions of the population. Your life-span so long as your death is natural, is correlated more with genetics and telomeres than the population average.

I cant believe you made this comment when Obama doesn't have jack sh** against her. He has barely enough days in government to call himself a governer. Id rather have an older more experienced man as our president than one who promises "change" with no experience or support to back him up. All his so called "change" is gonna do is raise our taxes higher than ever. We'll see who the real winner is when Palin goes up against Biden 1 on 1. We already know whose aggressiveness is gonna win.

McCain - Palin '08

Palin should be on top of the ticket!

Ok MBKing, educate us on exactly what Obama is going to do besides raise taxes and bring us even more babysitting from the Federal Gov't? And the last time I checked the Dems have been controlling Congress since 2006. Since then gas prices have gone through the roof and the economy has sputtered. How is that Bush's fault? Heck, I'll even give you that it's not necessarily Congress's/Dems fault either, just an economic cycle, but all this back and forth is ridiculous and you certainly aren't going to fix an economy or the energy problem with higher taxes and more gov't regulation, the exact prescription the Dems have been proposing for every economic downturn for almost the last 75 years.

And I can sure as hell tell you I'm better off than I was 8 years ago, but I am now considered "rich" according to the Dems and they had nothing to do with my going to school, working hard, and making some good choices. In fact, Bush didn't either. I wish people would quit thinking the gov't is their "parent" to whine to at every problem and "hope" they fix it.

"Ok MBKing, educate us on exactly what Obama is going to do besides raise taxes "

You know, people are constantly whining about this, but it needs to be done. If our tremendous and sufficiently terrifying debt continues to increase, we will doubtless be living a very different life in this country by the middle of the century. We may face a crappy immediate future in order to fix it, but IMO that's far better than sitting on it and letting it destroy our country's actual future.

we all know how soccer moms and hockey moms are...

cdoke,
can you please post any links for the studies that you mentioned? I am very interested in reading this.
thanks in advance.

Phoenix,

I actually tried to find them online, and was unable to. However, some of the results are cited in Marilyn Vos Savant's book "The Power of Logical Thinking". She is probably privy to it because she was on the board of the National Council of Economic Education at one point.

I wish I had a better answer for you.

This election is now about the distraction of liking Sarah Palin, it is about 4 more years of Bush policies and soliders dying in Iraq?? Sarah Palin is great now go vote for Mccain??

I think with Palin on the seat its a big boost for the Republican party. She had BALLS though laying the smack down on the media and on the democratic party. Much props to her.

Anyone who's dumb enough to smoke won't even get a second look from me...

http://www.thetechlounge.com/files/news/images/1173145916_obamasmokingit6.jpg

Something extreme with no performance and a poor track record. Maybe a Pontiac Aztek.

I wish I didn't have to sleep early for school and that's why I couldn't watch it last night.

You may want to check and see if it's on that fly by night site called YouTube ;)

001

please tell me you're old enough to vote....I'm going to die laughing if you're not.

You have to be bed by 10PM, wow, I don't he is old enough to vote yet.... R U ole enough to drive yet???

I'm 13.

I'm 13.

I'm 13.

She lost amazinBS's vote.....

LOL

this women isnt qualified to run a PTA meeting, let alone the country.

she "kicked ass" by spewing inaccuracies from her pie hole. the mocking tone of the entire republican convention is a shame.

moreover, i think by the democrats pushing the alternative energy agenda it could lead to america possibly becoming a front runner in new automotive technologies...and wouldnt that be a nice change of pace.

the band-aid that is off-shore drilling is nothing more of a fat ass working its groove in the couch of mediocrity that the American auto industry has nestled its self into all to nicely.

this women should drive her jetta tdi off that bridge to nowhere.

god bless freedom of speech

"by spewing inaccuracies"

As a matter of curiosity and open respectuful and rational discussion, could you please be a bit more specific about those inaccuracies?

***the band-aid that is off-shore drilling is nothing more than a fat ass working its groove in the couch of mediocrity that the American auto industry has nestled its self into all to nicely.

for example she stated obama never wrote any substantial legislation during his term in senate....however he was influential in drafting many changes in lobbyist interaction with members of congress. now lobbyists cant buy them dinner, cars, or give them money.

It's one thing to WRITE the law, it's a whole nother thing to just sign your name to it. Did he actually vote FOR the law or did he do like he did back in IL and just say he was present?

And all this international experience Obama is suppose to have...he was in the US Senate for all of 143 days before announcing his campaign for the Presidency. 143 days.

Someone emailed me this...don't know if it's true but interesting if it is.

001,

See his voting record in the Illinois senate. He voted "present" on the touchy issues so he wouldn't be held accountable one way or the other. In Illinois the senate is allowed to vote present, rather than yes or no. his excuse. "I didn't like parts of the bill". Well if you don't like it vote NO, if you like it vote yes.

Well, I went to the Senate page and looked up the rules.

"Members, officers and employees of the House and the Senate have since 1995 [S.Res. 158, 104thCong. (July 28, 1995]; H.Res. 250, 104thCong. (November 16, 1995))been under restrictive rules on gifts and travel reimbursements somewhat similar to the current rules put in place in 2007[(H.Res. 9, 106thCong., January 6, 1999, providing for de minimis exception, H.Res. 6, 110thCongress (January 4, 2007), and the Senate gift rules by P.L. 110-81, Title V (Sept. 14, 2007)]. The 2007 changes implemented further restrictions on the interaction of registered lobbyists or their clients with Members and staff of Congress, particularly with reference to de minimis gifts (gifts under $50)."

Your statement about cars at least is inaccurate.


So, I looked up the latter, erm, the sponsor and list of co-sponsors:

Sen Reid, Harry [NV]
Sen Bennett, Robert F. [UT] - 1/4/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] - 1/8/2007
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] - 1/4/2007
Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] - 1/4/2007
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] - 1/4/2007
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 1/4/2007
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] - 1/4/2007
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] - 1/4/2007
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 1/4/2007
Sen Lott, Trent [MS] - 1/4/2007
Sen McConnell, Mitch [KY] - 1/4/2007
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ] - 1/4/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 1/4/2007
Sen Salazar, Ken [CO] - 1/9/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 1/4/2007
Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] - 1/4/2007
Sen Webb, Jim [VA] - 1/4/2007

Library of Congress identified two similar bills, S.192, and S.230. Co-sponsor of the latter: Sen Obama, Barack [IL] - 1/9/2007. But this is what is said for its status: Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

As an interesting note, S.192's major sponsor: Sen McCain, John [AZ] (introduced 1/4/2007)

Is S.230 the one you are talking about?

001, this is correct information RE voting "present". Makes it hard to say what one's record really is when they don't really take a stance one way or the other on the record.

I think the term some freinds of mine who know more about poliics than I do is political expediency.

And one question that has not been asked of Palin that needs to be asked to ALL HockeyMom's (I have a little experience during my lifetime on the small town Hockey circuit as a player), is that are those her REAL teeth! ;)

001

all politicians pander; pop their head in wherever they can to get attention. and sign what they have to for attention

let me say that i am not please with either option in this election, or the state of American politics in general.

obama spearheaded and drafted the legislation. i wasnt sitting next to the computer when he wrote it, but its something hockey mom failed to acknowledge.

im honored to get a 001 response.

im just not impressed with palin. the prospect of her maybe taking office scares me; that being said i respect mcain and would still consider voting for him.

and im sure her suburban stinks like smelly hockey equipment

Having a MILF for VP (and Commander-in-Chief in waiting), can't be a bad thing, can it?

Yank John McCain out and replace him with Cindy. The complete MILF ticket.

Definitely the wrong site for political commentary. But since you entioned Palins speech I must comment. I think she did a very good job of delivering a speech writers very well written speech that didn't really say anything. Her speech said nothing about why she'd be a good vice president. It was full of punch lines that go against what the party said they would do. For McCain to be running for the country and to be such a cross aisle co-operator her speech was quite dirty. None of the real campaign issues were touched. She will prove to have more skeletons in her closet and in the end will end up costing McCain the election.
All that being said, I dont want another hillbilly republican in office to ruin the economy for 4-8 more years.
T

All of the above comments are purely academic as far as I am concerned. I am convinced that Obama will win anyway because of his natural charismatic leadership skills and because Americans see him as the only candidate who can restore America's moral leadership around the world. Obama will not only unite Americans but will eventually unite the world.

The U.S. is already number one militarily but the current administration has squandered America's moral currency through bad strategies and questionable diplomacy.

You don't know really know politics if you are looking for policy direction VP or VP candidates; that's for the presidents/presidential candidates debate. VPs are always responsible for dishing out the dirty and calling the other party out. Punclines and one-liners are what being a VP candidate are all about!! Biden is no different. They sling the mud so the ticket leads can claim clean hands. Always has been; always will be. Give Palin props -- she can dish it as well as she takes it. She didn't buckle, sweat, wince, or whine last night. And that was a huge, national stage. That girl rocks. She is the future of the GOP. Even if McCain doesn't win, she's a part of the American conscious now. Just like Obama's 2004 speech. Face it, she is here to stay. She will go back to Alaska, clean it up some more, and be half way through the next election cycle, or better yet, on her third/fourth in 8 years. Nice and seasoned. I say Palin/Jindal in 2016...!

It's funny... I don't recall anyone saying what a great job Obama's speech writer did during the DNC. I'll keep looking though.

Seems clear to me after seeing Obamas "performance" at Saddleback shows that he needs the speech writer. He's great at expressing others ideas.

As far as Sarah Palin, I understand that her teleprompter was not working properly, and the second half of the speech was part from memory and part ad lib. Like her politics or don't- in that envoronment, under that pressure... that was impressive.

I'm just glad to see a thread without the usual Lexus vs BMW drivel.

Enough of this political tripe! This is an auto enthusiast website, not Crossfire!

Back to things automotive. I can forgive her for driving a Suburban because she lives in Alaska (lots of snow), hunts/fishes/camps (lots of off-road driving), and has a large family. People like that have very good reasons for driving huge gas-guzzling SUVs. That Suburban might also do double duty as the governor's limo.

She probably uses the fuel-efficient Jetta TDI wagon for commuting and running errands. (I could say that diesels have small carbon footprints as well, but I'm skeptical about anthropogenic global warning theories.) Sounds like a sensible lady when it comes to choosing cars.

O.K., how do yah think Sarah would look in a 135i Cabrio?

LOL - she would look hot!

She came across as little more than a bitter b_itch... and I don't care one iota what the hell she drives!

I can’t wait for the debates (which will be the deciding factor for me), especially when they discuss their energy policies. While Obama and McCain have similar views on energy policies, they differ a lot on their methods. Hopefully, the debates will clear up both of their nebulous stances on their methods. Impressively, Palin is the only one of the four who has actually executed on alternative energy resources instead of just talking about it, and she drives a diesel! Is the Suburban a diesel, also?

anyone that votes for O-Bummer and wants their money to go to the gov rather than their kids either is on welfare or is brain-dead

"I figured she'd be an SUV woman, Alaska weather is like where I live"

That and she has 5 kids.

oh dear god, I'm agreeing with huu.... I think that means it's time to turn off the computer.

Mscott, I thought the same thing. Probably the first time I've boosted huu ever. That being said, he is spot on. McCain-Palin 2008!

I just want to say that Dems lie and cheat too. Need I mention Bill Clinton, he lied under oath about his cheating. It is sad that people can be so partisan, especially when this article was about CARS. Not any of them are perfect, but I want experience in the #1 spot over someone who sounds like a preacher.

OMG , Speach doesn't mean SH*T, that speach was made a long time ago , It's so funny how we Americans just bealive every word we hear, I'm not saying she's a bad woman , and i wont acuse her of not being a good parent , etc. But McCane is going to bring this country to a lot of new wars , with Iran , Russia , Sirya etc etc , McCane and DICK are the biggest mafia and a lot of people are going to die if he becomes a president on the other hand Obama is not experienced , lets face the reality he is not , and maybe in the first few years he'll be a shi**y president but he'll get up there if he's going to try hard , I wouldn't vote for neither , and it's a shame there is no good condidate for president of US , but if it had to be one of the condidates i had to vote for McCane deff. wouldn't be one , because if GOD forbids he becomes a president thats COLD WAR with russia , worse than it ever was , it's again missles in Cuba , Venezuela , Necaragua ETC , so AMERICANS when you hear a condidate giving a speach with big promises it means NOTHING.

Basically until you got to the last part. God is the only person that can save america. Funny how McCain focused on Change. Isnt that what Obama's been preaching? Sounds like he did a Lexus since you guys claim they copy the Germans. And although Palin's speech was a great attack on Obama, what about her stance on the issues. Did her or McCain focus any of their attention on Iraq, Healthcare, the Economy, etc... The demo's at least did a better job at that although it too wasnt but should have been the focus of their speech as well.

The Chevy is a government vehicle.

I saw a Black GT-R 2day being driven on Northern Blvd. and blk&wht one already for sale at an exotic used car shop on Hillside Ave - Those of u from NY know these roads.

I enjoy reading the site for auto news not politics. Less rants imo.

Blame 001, he posted this and had to have known such a hot political issue wasn't gonna stay completely on topic.

still agreeing with huu, and it's even another day.... I'm beginning to wonder if someone slipped me a mickey.


huu- I may disagree with you about all things "CAR", but regarding things "COUNTRY", I must agree with you. The Progressive movement is all about this seeking to be more like European socialist nations. It really puzzles me how so many people in our country are happy about moving in that direction just as a lot of European countries are coming full-circle and going more and more toward democracy and capitalism.

Family Values...what a joke! She cant even instill family values in her OWN backwoods family. Parading her unwed knocked-up daughter's boyfriend on stage and calling him her "future fiance"...how pathetic! I bet he bolts unless Palin is paying him to keep still and quiet.

The current Liberal congress approval rating is the lowest in history at 9%.

What say you :-?

Hell, then I'll buy her plane ticket!!! lol

Teknik...be careful

She could just break your heart on 11/4

Karma...

001

I have more faith in Obamas energy plan for wind farms and electric cars. No more 18 BILLION dollar oil subsidies. Subsidies instead the 200 million dollar battery and electric car startups. Move automitive history and the nations auto industry forward. It would take 10 years to see 1% of relief from new drilling. In that time wind farms would pay for themselfves. Compared to oil wind and solar is perpetual energy (AbstractLogic).

Car people consider this. What will you be driving in 8 years and how will it be powered if one party or the other is elected. LOL I can hear the sarcasm already...

Agreed.

"No more 18 BILLION dollar oil subsidies."

Be more specific if you would please.

cdoke if you google HR5351 theres more info on the 18 Billion figure.

Theres a lot of numbers out there for oil subsidies but this was a solid number with a bill thats not going anywhere.

I lean right but the party has been dragging its teet like a failing corporation waiting on a government bailout.

Thank you,

"H.R. 5351- This bill would repeal roughly $18 billion in manufacturing tax credits for oil and gas companies while extending and increasing tax credits for a wide range of renewable energy programs."

The reason I asked for clarification is that I often see the word "subsidy" misused in application to some programs. The royalty relief program is not a subsidy for example. The royalty relief program was instituted by the MMS under Clinton (those who denigrate it seem to think Bush instituted it) in order to persuade corporations to bid for high-risk leases in the Gulf of Mexico. The GOM is not only capital intensive but inherenly high-risk, which is reflected in the ROR there. Most businesses have a ROR for around 13%, GOM projects have ROR of just 6%. The reason that it isn't a subsidy is that the government hasn't waived any income. Without the program the leases theoretically would have generated no income for the government, yet with the program the government not only gets the bid, but also, at least more recently, some income at a later date and then for the perpetuity of the well(s) if they are productive.

It would be rational to state that the no income statement is rather theoretical given that the rise in oil prices should cause some of those leases to become more attractive, however, it needs to be remembered that oil companies do not invest in short-term projects, nor do they modify their economics to reflect spot prices. They are far more careful than that, as they learned their lesson in the 80's.

Of course I forget the important parts; I couldn't find a breakdown of the the figure, but it seems less likely to call the RRP a credit.

Weird, a good looking young hockey player having sex with a girl and getting her pregnant...SHOCKING ;)

001

In my opinion America will be better if either candidates win...

They're both great!

And I'm glad it will be exciting and go down to the wire.

001

"...as well as tax breaks for billionaires."

Could you be more specific as to exactly which tax breaks those are?

De-boost away- I am not asking anything that someone who makes such statements shouldn't know.

From the looks of things this blog is populated by a lot of conservatives. Maybe we should take a pole on what type of cars conservatives drive. I bet Porsche and Mercs are on top of the list. Not that there's nothing wrong with Porsche's and Mercs.

Can't believe all you Spies (including me) NEVER picked up on the fact that NONE of them touched the immigration issue at either convention....hmmmmm

Focus groups/advisors must have told them no matter what side they take is a can't win scenario...

001

Hey bimmerfan25, I live in America and unlike you we don't need ANY handouts from our government.We don't need a nanny! We are a completely self reliant and independent thinking people! I don't want there Nazi health care or education systems. We take care of ourselves. I guess that's something YOU don't get or understand! Big government is like a babie's alimentary canal, a ferocious appetite at one end and NO responsebility or accountability at the other!!

Since we have been headed toward a cliff at 100mph with the Republicans in charge for the last 8 yrs... best thing to do is elect them for another 4 years and go right on off... maybe we can hit 150mph before we get to the edge! All this qualification talk if off point to some extent. You will never really know how someone will do in office during difficult situations. It really is the policies in this election that make the difference.

Can a Jetta tdi or Suburban go 150mph? I know my M5 can!

bimmerfan25, If you German's like Obama so much then that should scare the hell out of us and keep him away from runnin' our country! If you want him so bad, you can have him and then you can get all the Socialistic, Fascist things you want till your heart's content. Enjoy your Koolaid!!

M5, Nice!

Not sure Germany is running all that bad. They are the worlds largest exporter and have a pretty darn good economy! http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/search/article/560241/why-germany-worlds-biggest-exporter/

They should think of building cars there ;)

001

...and in this forum we have (at least) one arrogant, pompous, ignorant chump posting German superiority nonsense all the time --- and that would be YOU!

But hey I am still all for 150mph off the cliff! Sometimes you gotta hit rock bottom (literally) before you see the light.

I'm a "fiscal" republican. I could care less about the stupid social issues such as gay marriage, abortion, etc.

I care about where my tax dollars are going, and the last place they should be is special interest groups.

McCain/Palin '08

Funny ALL your tax dollars are going to special interest groups, they are the billionairs, the huge corporations and the military industrial complex. They are going to support the "Empire" How this econonmy could go from one extreme to the other in one presidents tenure is almost unbelievable. Just this week we are giving a small country (Georgia) $1 BILLION dollars, why? For 1 reason oil/gas.

That is how this government spends your tax dollars.

Securing oil supply is crucial, what dont you understand about that?

Its not about securing a supply of oil, its about CONTROLLING the supply of oil. Go an read the "Project for a New American Century" documents that were published in the late 1990's. The USA wants to be able to control the supply of oil to China and India and others. (The PNAC also advocated war against Iraq for the purpose of reshaping the middle east).

If it bankrupts this country they are hell bent on it. Not for your or my benefit, its for the big oil corporations and the "Empire". Dont forget where these guys running the show came from, the Oil business. Thats where they will be going back after this next election. They will be very, very rich, thanks to......oh yes, thanks to themselves.

Cheney has just visited 3 countries that would seem to have nothing to do with the USA:- Georgia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan. They all have one thing in common, a new gas pipline.

The majority of Ukrainians do not want to join Nato, their president has about a 10% approval ratings and the government just voted NOT to condem Russia for its actions in Georgia.

Remember the USA does not get much of its oil from this region, but it wants to CONTROL this through US oil companies.

GET REAL none of this is about democracy.

That reference to creationism came up in a debate during her gubernatorial campaign.

After the debate she further elaborated with the following statement:

In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

“I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.

Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.

“I won’t have religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism,” Palin said.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but Barack Obama is the current governor of Illinois, which is far larger than Alaska...

S4...I hate to point this out...Obama is a SENATOR for Illinois. The governor is Rod Blagojevich. Don't you live there? Correct me if I am wrong.

I thought this site was about Cars, not Politics! Should political discussions be moved to the forums at CNN.com?

That speech was perfectly matched to its speaker: all surface, no content.

Why do you think they hired her?

A Senator from Alaska, yeah I would say thay are a little desperate. Don't worry, after the initial excitment, people will see through her.

Sorry, worse "Governer and former mayor of 7,000" lol

Who cares what she drives....

Her speech was entertaining, but the truth is she bounces the needle on the right side of the spectrum to hard. Here are some reasons to question why you would want here in the #2 seat:
* Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."
* Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"
* Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.
* Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade."
* Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.
* Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.
* Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches. (this could have helped in her house!!)
* As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor."
* She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

02chuck, thank you. palin really is bad news she is scariest MILF in the world

Palin does look HOT...

MT has found something other than Lexus to spout off on. Sarah Palin and her daughter!! Not sure which is worse?

bimmerfan, apparently we aren't too dumb since of the top 11 countries in the world we have more millionaires and billionaires then all the others combined! I guess we still are the land of opportunity and freedom!

You can't rape the willing.

Barack Obama's promises have been set so high that he has deemed himself to underperform.

You want a president that will talk down to you? An egotistical man who believes he is the solution to every problem in America? Not to sound Racist, WHICH IM NOT and a Republican WHICH IM ALSO NOT, but he has offered all rhetoric and NO substance until this point.

You hear ALL this talk about those who wont vote for him because of his skin color, but whats rarely mentioned is that there are even more who will because of it (he has over 90% of the African American vote (reported on CNN)

Then you hear about racism in America??? That really gets to me, it seems to be the scapegoat for those who victimize themselves. Why doesnt the media say that there is something racial about him having that extravagantly high percentage of the black vote? I surely think there is. VERY SAD

Its about time more people start thinking for themselves and make educated decisions, not decisions based on bias, racism, or fanaticism.

Oprah Winfrey says no to Sarah Palin until after the election, even though Obama has been on and Biden will be on soon.

It's called not fair and balanced.

BTW, did you hear about the 1000 plus misfit Libs arrested outside the RNC convention?

Minnesota will have to wash St. Paul down with bleach to get rid of the stench!

Land of the Free ? not anymore.

Land of the Free ? not anymore.

Obama promises higher taxes, weaker military, bigger government, more free hand outs

McCain = same or lower taxes, strong military, less government

Think about it, you are on the board of directors of a fortune 100 company and you are hiring a CEO and you get 2 applications. The resumes do not indicate what political party or skin color the applicants are. Which person would you hire out of the 2? You would want the person with the experience proven record to be the leader of your company, not a newbie with little to no life experience and ZERO executive experience.

McCain-Palin 2008
Palin 2012

The Republicans haven't practiced less government in years. They must have changed their motto to more government, less freedom and bigger deficits. Oh, I'm a Libertarian in case you're wondering.

Let's see, I guess your point of "strong military" is keep borrowing money to keep from foreign countries to fight a war with no end.

People like you is why US is such a S***hole.

I can't wait till McCain and Palin get ripped apart at the debate.

McCain = less govt. yeah sure, is that not what Bush said? I would not believe that statement. Bush has almost bankrupted the country with his spending, and there is no reason to believe McCain would not continue the same. WAR is the most expensive of endeavors and the "Bomb Bomb Bomb" man shows no sign of reigning in the crazies on the right.

*Numerous lines in Gov. Sarah Palin's speech at the GOP convention Wednesday night have been exposed as lies by various media outlets. But one of her quips struck a nerve that has galvanized grassroots organizations across the country to respond en masse.


During the convention on Wednesday, the former mayor of Wasilla (population 7,000) took a jab at Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama with the line: “I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities.”


Her sentiments were reinforced in two earlier speeches on the convention floor Wednesday in St. Paul.


• Former Governor George Pataki said: “[Barack Obama] was a community organizer. What in God’s name is a community organizer? I don’t even know if that’s a job.”

• Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani said: “On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What? [Laughter]…I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume.”


In the wee hours of the following morning, Obama's campaign sent an e-mail to supporters objecting – among other things – to the attacks against community organizers. It read:

Let's clarify something for them right now.


Community organizing is how ordinary people respond to out-of-touch politicians and their failed policies.


And it's no surprise that, after eight years of George Bush, millions of people have found that by coming together in their local communities they can change the course of history. That promise is what our campaign has been about from the beginning.


Throughout our history, ordinary people have made good on America's promise by organizing for change from the bottom up. Community organizing is the foundation of the civil rights movement, the women's suffrage movement, labor rights, and the 40-hour workweek. And it's happening today in church basements and community centers and living rooms across America.


Also on Thursday, a coalition of community organizers across the country launched the Web site OrganizersFightBack. (http://organizersfightback.wordpress.com) to demand an apology from Gov. Palin and to "defend their work organizing Americans who have been left behind by unemployment, lack of health insurance and the national housing crisis."


• “Community organizers work in neighborhoods that have been hit hardest by the failing economy,” said John Raskin, founder of Community Organizers of America and a community organizer on the West Side of Manhattan. “The last thing we need is for Republican officials to mock us on television when we’re trying to rebuild the neighborhoods they have destroyed. Maybe if everyone had more houses than they can count, we wouldn’t need community organizers. But I work with people who are getting evicted from their only home. If John McCain and the Republicans understood that, mayb

Try to dress it up as much as you want, but there is no There - There ,when it comes to B.O.s resume and any substance of accomplishment. He is running on thin air and gossamer threads of speeches and prose.

I am astonished that so many people are drinking the Koolaide of this gifted but very inexperienced politician whose entire adult life has been "designed" to run for office.

No executive experience of ANY kind, afraid to take positions while State Senator so he would not have to go ON record-so he votes "present". And claims to have the judgment necessary when he has shown continuously a lack of it (whether in his choice of personal/professional relations or in his weak responses to national security issues.)

Forget the race issue- Obama is to green to be hired for anything more than a middle management position at a Fortune 500 company.

If he loses this election it will be because of his lack of resume and experience, as it should be. He is not ready and people need to wake up and stop making him something he isn't - especially now.

Let me make all of your Fridays a happy one...maybe your all of 2008

I have permanently banned Michael Taylor for his comments on rape and his lack of iq.

We will not stand for these types of comments about ANYONE.

001

ITS ABOUT TIME!!!! :)

Good for you. Now will you please do something about amazinBimmer?

It doesn't even matter cause he'll be back. He's like an incurable disease.

Good.

Looks like i went to the wrong website. Is this politicsandparenting.com or autospies.com?

I though about it for awhile (after reading some replies) and came to the conclusion that her daughter getting knocked up shouldn't effect her ability to do her job. But that just Palin. I've personally have seen a teenage pregnancy effect not only the grandmother’s performance at her job but her whole entire life.

Thank you for re-stating this and clarifying.

More people sould be able to admit something when they realize what they said or thought was wrong/not correct. Look at Obama for example- he lost a lot of people's respect by refusing to admit he was wrong about voting for the surge. O'Reilly can be a blabbermouth sometimes, but it seemed pretty clear to me in his Obama interview that Sen. Obama is not capable of admitting he was wrong. He came pretty close to admitting it, but wouldn't go all the way. For the record, I agree with O'Reilly on this one- we shouldn't have gone to war in the first place in Iraq, but not voting for the surge and standing by that decision just doesn't make sense. The surge worked- Obama even admitted that.

ANYWAYS..... I think it's about time for this thread to die. 001- have you ever closed a thread to extra replies? This one has to be one of the biggest/longest ones I've seen here since I started participating over a year ago. I think most would agree with me that all sides of this thing have been aired one way or another.

She's just more of the same old republican do-nothing nonsense, only this time with a bigger mouth, more annoying voice and boobs!

Do you know how Sarah Palin takes care of her young kids while she is Vice President of the USA?

She hires a nanny just like Alice in the Brady Bunch.

Got it?

:-/

I'm so glad that i'm an aussie

Both sides have pros and cons to them so who you pick is your choice and if they get in your the one that will have to put up with them for the next 4-8 years

Agent001

Since you're so good in starting flame wars, even at politics, why dont you start another website called "Politicalspies.com"... Im pretty sure it'll make loads of money ;)

Hey, this idea is copyrighted ;p

Why is the experience factor so important? If you are hiring a driver and one with a ton of experience says I will drive us off the cliff we have been heading for over the last 8 years and the other says I will stop the car turn it around and get it back on the road... who do you hire?

Huu. "turn America into a bitch" ?????

The Republicans did this without any help. Just a different sort of bitch.

Open your eyes, America is an Empire with over 700 military bases around the world (why the hell are they still in Germany and Japan?). Rome went bust because they overstretched themselves and what little democracy Rome had was swept away, guess what history repeats itelf. McPain will continue the same disastrous policies we have been following for the last 8 years.

If you are a business owner or a farmer and expect your Corporate Welfare Check or Farm subsidy check, then the republicans are your ticket,

If you loose your manufacturing Job and need unemployment, or you live in crime and poverty in the city then the Democrats are your ticket.

The Farmers and Corporate America think of the Working Middle Class, or the poverty city dwellers as a different group of Americans. People who don’t matter because they live far far away from the peaceful rural areas, or the luxury gated communities.
When the cities fall into poverty and crime, we all suffer. American cities are becoming third world nations and war-zones. Every night I keep hearing on the news of people being shot, and killed, car jacking, hold-ups and so on. These occurrences are on a step rise. This is a barometer of how our nation is really doing. Top it off with a war, historic record highs for bankruptcies, home foreclosures, high inflation, high unemployment, and an Energy crisis, and you can see how far we have come in eight years.

The difference today, is that inflation and unemployment gets swept under the rug, and people are somewhat insulated because of the availability of credit.

If we had these same factors in the 1970s, we would have surely been doomed as credit wasn’t as widely available then. Nowadays, we postpone the inevitable by barrowing against barrowed time.

The Republican National Convention seemed like a tale out of A Tale of Two Cities, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times”

It was an utter pep-rally. People patting their selves on the back. I admit Sara Palin had a nice speech, but it lacked sustenance. Sure she gave a powerful and clear speech, I don’t deny that, but she was telling people what they want to hear, and that is always music to your ears.

Listen to that speech, and then drive into the City of Niagara Falls in broad daylight. Look at the thousands of homeless people wandering the streets, pushing carts. City blocks of vacant lots where houses once stood, all burned to the ground, the remaining ones condemned to crack houses, decaying streets riddle with holes. It looks worse than Beruit Lebonon. It is enough to turn your stomach and realize we are headed for tough times indeed. I guess McCain was right, Change is coming. The Winds of Change.

Last night a young lady was shot in the gut while driving her car, she didn’t make it, last week a 14 year old girl was gunned down, last month a cabby was shot in the head during a hold-up. I guess the republican’s War on Drugs that we spent billions on was yet another failed war.

people, somebody in the Whitehouse screwed this country, and he was elected for 2 terms, does that mean something?

Well, you can call European stupid, but if we are not, how come our economy is screwed?

Wake up, huu76, you're the one who's still sleeping!

it looks like Palin is also the Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. I don't know why some people feel they need to diminish the accomplishments of women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OLtHdJ_gUk

Well, I will admit this, when reagan took office, my parents were lifted from just above the poverty line to building a new house and getting a motguage for it approved, while Regan was still in office. I will give the Republicans that. And Clinton was the only one to elliminate the deficit and build a surplus, which is a very sound thing to do, but even though the market soared under Clinton, and we suposedly had a great economy during the Clinton years, my wages were stagnant during the Clinton Era, and I seemed to be threatened on all fronts for being a white guy. And, I wasn't able to do the thing my parents did during Reagan. So I think Clintons economy was good for the soundness of our economy, but people just limped along.

But I really don't like how powerful the Republicans have become. Dictating wars, cheering wars on as if the people have no say in any of this anymore. If your not willing to follow the warriors into battle, your not American. Well I don't belive in going to War so Corporate America can secure thier over seas investments. I don't like the propaganga coming from the Republicans, and a president tat dictates to you how it is going to be. The president works for the people. When Jimmy Carter faced crisis, he faced the people and explained thing and de-briefed us as if we were the boss, no the tables have surely turned.

I'm a registered Republican, but I will be voting Obama, not because I now belive in the Democrats, but because we need a regime change, before the Henchmen get to be too powerful.

I don't like all the protectionist policies of the democrats, but it is better than the alternative.

The Republicans want to take away Unemployment at a time when Unemployment rate is nearly 6 percent. They want to Undo all the things that gave working people a chance. These were the changes that the New Deal brought us after the Great Depression. Now, when history is about to repeat itself, we are going to remove Social Security and Unemployment? and we don't even have healthcare yet.

We have seen the devastation that the Free-Market has brought to the Motguage Industry and Healthcare industries. These Industries need to be regulated and instep with inflation and peoples incomes. The Republicans will take this away and laugh about it.

Imagine if companies like Enron or Freddie Mac ran your Personal retirement Account. You would be in the poor house come retirement. Try to sue a billion dollar company that is in Chapter 11 and has the best team of Lawyers on thier team.

I don't understand why you Dems are here? You're Prius people because you're saving the planet and you hate oil.

You're not into cars, you hate cars.

Right on to Obama. The only candidate willing to move us FORWARD. You want the prairie woman do you? Are you kidding me? She is the devil in a dress. Take her and be burned in hell for eternity. Is that clear enough? PROGRESS FOLKS not empty rhetoric and BS from the marginialized right wing.

Right on to Obama. The only candidate willing to move us FORWARD. You want the prairie woman do you? Are you kidding me? She is the devil in a dress. Take her and be burned in hell for eternity. Is that clear enough? PROGRESS FOLKS not empty rhetoric and BS from the marginialized right wing.

bimmerfan for president!

I just want to point this out because it is an important distinction- when we talk about "reserves" we are NOT talking about the resource base.

That word has a very specific meaning. Reserves are the amount of the product availible ECONOMICALLY to the market. Meaning reserves are a function of price AND technology. Anyone who has ever taking a natural resource economics class will tell you that technology is not only not trivial it has won the race with depletion for the past 150 years.

The Green River Formation in Colorado, Utah and Whyoming contains approximatly 1.5 trillion barrels of oil- more oil than there is in all of the Middle East COMBINED. In fact this formation contains 62% of all oil shale on earth. These are not, or at least not yet, reserves because the technology does not yet exist to produce it cheaply and cleanly. Due to the fact that is is oil shale it is diffucult to extract. Presently the estimate for total recoverable is 800 billion barrels- still more equivalent oil volume than is in the Middle East.

...one more thing, that 1.5 trillion bbl estimate is the conservative estimate- some go as high as 2.6 trillion bbl.

bimmerfan25,

Hey don't worry about America. Just get on your environmentally friendly oil free two wheeler and pedal on.

hahahahaha i love democrats


your tears fuel me

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The Mid-East has been a target for many Decades now. Because it is a strategic region. The country that controls the mid-east controls the world because Wars require Oil. Wars consume vast amounts of energy. Warships burn Diesel not by the Gallon, but by the Ton. The US and Russia have been eying the mid-east for years, caling eachother's bluff as to who would be bold enough to invade.

I admit, there were plentiful mistakes during the Clinton Administration.

I saw the Dot com collapse coming in July befor the crisi hit in the fall. I was amazed at how Alan Greenspan simply didn't see this coming, but a common person like myself knew it was coming.

My friends would ask eachother, How can a company that is only a few moths old have a Market capitalization greater than Ford Motor and Genearl Motors combined?

In some of the stocks I owned, We saw the Off the "Balance Sheet Accounting" nonsense happening and no one said anything about it. Alan Greenspan saying incoherent things like "Inconspicious Consumption" and that other phrase I ca't recall right now, probably because it was too ridiculous to be worth remembering.

I love how all thes ivy-Lege people with supposedly a ton of experience be so inept and show up for work just to collect a paycheck.

Alan Greenspan waltzed off into the sunset without a care in the world even though he left a wake of distruction behind him. He only proved utter irresponsibility to everthing.

I love how easily Americans buy into an idea.

This woman is dumb. She said that she is proudly sending her son to war. No rational parent would ever do that.

Palin also said "God wants our me to go to War" so we should rally our support around what god wants.

I have a lot of trouble with this concept.

First, Killing is a sin. I accept going to war and killing is sometimes necessary, but we do so for the good of the people, but when we go to War, we turn away from god, because we no longer have viable resons to avoid war.

We know God's rules, we only break them when we have exhausted all means of diplomacy with the people of the earth.

Invading other countries and angrying half the world against our intents is not my idea of a worthy cause.

I'm not major religous, but I really hate when Born Agains mix religion with politics and use religion to Promote War, The Free Market, profits and Extreme Capitalism. i like Cpatilism, just not Capatilism at any price, and taking away peoples homes for the sake of market forces.