2010 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT First Drive - it beats S4 and 335 on track

2010 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT First Drive - it beats S4 and 335 on track
The unceasing risk inherent to benchmarking your competition is that they have smart, creative folks all working just as hard to improve their products. The brass ring on the sport sedan ride is one of the most highly coveted in the world, and it's also the fastest-moving ride there is.

A Day of Reckoning

We are compelled to admit that this was an Acura event that took place at a facility owned by Honda (overseen by the Transportation Research Center) with all the test cars supplied and prepped by Acura R&D. It's not exactly our usual comparison format, in other words. This was our opportunity to drive a prototype of the 2010 Acura TL Super Handling All-Wheel Drive six-speed manual transmission (SH-AWD 6MT), so Acura arranged some track time at its test facility near its U.S. engineering facility in Ohio, and a competitive set of sport sedans.

The competitor cars each featured a manual transmission, the sportiest configuration currently available, and aftermarket brake pads that would stand up to an afternoon on the racetrack. The cars included a 2008 Audi S4 Quattro manual; 2008 BMW 335i Sport; 2008 BMW 335xi Sport and a 2008 Infiniti G35s.

We'd go out, run one lap, two hot laps and one cool-down in lap. Then we'd come in and switch cars with our press colleagues and repeat until all five cars were sufficiently flogged. We repeated the round robin twice and were given the opportunity to revisit any two or three cars we thought we hadn't had enough time in.

The 2010 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT kicked serious butt. And we're not talking tenths of a second on a 1.6-mile racetrack, but instead 2 seconds (a light-year on a short racetrack like this) separated the TL from the next quickest sedan, the Audi S4 Quattro, on the challenging Dynamics Handling Course. This Alan Wilson-designed, 13-corner course is a laboratory instrument, and it dissected the strengths and weaknesses of these five cars with an array of fast/slow, compressed/unweighted, opening/closing corners.

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lakerfan213lakerfan213 - 9/26/2008 10:01:25 AM
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Of all the new Acura's that have been released so far, the TL is the best looking.


AudiNewEnglandAudiNewEngland - 9/26/2008 12:40:42 PM
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I "like" the RL...sorta


hao420hao420 - 9/26/2008 2:08:17 PM
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Basically wont be as fun as RL....


MeanVulcanMeanVulcan - 9/26/2008 2:09:59 PM
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too bad it compared it with the 'old' S4, because the new one already obsoletes it. The new A4 platform will have much better weight distribution, a more dynamic AWD system, a more responsive engine and improved suspension. I test drove the new model and it rocks.

Sorry, Ugly-ra, but you are already obsolete... at least compared to the Audi. It seems that BMW still has work to do - which I'm sure will quickly surpass the ugly TL.


PorschinatorPorschinator - 9/26/2008 9:31:04 PM
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#1 in UGLY too! Too bad though. I liked the TL.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 9/26/2008 10:05:31 AM
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wow, an acura that didnt get last place, very impressive especially given this cars size.....im loving all the great competition that means the next generation cars of everything will have to be that much better to keep pace, and keep their position in the segment especially the current top car the 3 series . Its an amazing time to shop in this segment for those that are looking. I say bring on more tough competition


06TLDude06TLDude - 9/26/2008 12:20:46 PM
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When has an Acura ever come in last in any review?


ghosthunterghosthunter - 9/26/2008 2:39:01 PM
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in BMW fanboy reviews.
in fact, bmw fanboy ranks every non-FR car not worthy execpt their mini brand.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 9/26/2008 2:46:59 PM
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please get away from my post.....im complementing this TL and you people are acting as if im tearing it apart...instead of crying and wining, about my post....go find somewhere else to give idiotic responses........i mean seriously


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 9/26/2008 2:52:42 PM
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and im pretty sure you dont want me to show proof of an Acura getting last place ........because they have NEVER been the end all be all for anything...and never have been in best in class in ANY segment let alone this one and if you honestly believe otherwise your the one with the rediculous BIAS.......hence me complementing such a great job they did in this test....


blackbrblackbr - 9/26/2008 10:07:13 AM
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LOL at all the people who will still feel compelled to comment on the car's styling.

OK, we get it, you don't like the beak.

Move on, please.


sectorsector - 9/26/2008 10:11:32 AM
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Oh my god Acura absolutely destroyed the competition!

1st Place: Acura TL - not the most powerful in the group but carves corners like it's on rails. Beats everybody else by 2 seconds on a short track!

2nd Place: Audi S4 Quattro - most powerful but nose heavy, lots of understeer, bad weight distribution.

3rd Place: Feels surprisingly slow compared to TL and A4. The throttle response was snappy only in the rpm range, steering feels indirect and slow. Lazy reaction time.

4th Place: BMW 335xi - heavier and worse than the standard 335i. Even slower response to throttle input. Steering even less direct, more understeer.

5th Place: G35 - mediocre effort, tail happy and bit twitchy on the track, shifter should be improved to help put down better numbers.


KZ258KZ258 - 9/26/2008 10:27:03 AM
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why did you write a summery of what the article was about?

anyway, the TL sounds awesome but i cant get use to the design of it. waiting for the next generation for this class is a better choice


HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 9/26/2008 10:17:45 AM
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If Acura is topping the 3 and G35 on the track, maybe its not dead yet (styling is a whole other story). But will buyers be looking at track reviews or the hideous grill?

I wish they had published full lap times and performance charts for the cars. I'm also a little skeptical that a FWD based AWD car with 58% of its weight over the front wheels could outhandle the near perfect 50/50 335i.


scoobysnaxscoobysnax - 9/26/2008 1:01:41 PM
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I'd like to see results on a neutral track instead one owned by Honda.


SHOWTIMESHOWTIME - 9/26/2008 1:19:24 PM
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Exactly! All of a sudden the steering feel and whatever else is no good on the 335i? since when?? Give me a break!


ks34ks34 - 9/26/2008 5:14:53 PM
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2010 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT (305hp, 273lb-ft, ~3800lb curb weight. Best Lap: 1:43.2)
2008 BMW 335i (300hp, 300lb-ft, FR, ~3600lb. Best Lap: 1:44.5)
2008 Audi S4 6MT (340hp, 302lb-ft, 3990lb curb weight. Best Lap: 1:44.8)
2008 Infiniti G35S 6MT (306hp, 268lb-ft, 3532lb curb weight. Best Lap: 1:44.9)
2008 BMW 335xi (300hp, 300lb-ft, AWD, ~3814lb curb weight. Best Lap: 1:46.2)




S430S430 - 9/26/2008 5:27:05 PM
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Noticeably absent is the C350... Hmmmmm...



StarStar - 9/26/2008 11:27:48 AM
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The car mags are getting better and better with their reviews(sarcasm).

I said it many times before, if you want the truth go and test drive the cars you are interested in yourself. The American car mags especially are the ultimate joke.

And this trend that completely leaves aside all the other characteristics of the cars compared, by only focusing on the numbers obtained on a track, is absurd.

Even if you buy a car with the intent to use it on the track(which very, very few people do), the actual lap time is less important then the amount of fun you have while driving a certain car.

This Acura TL is just another painfully boring sedan made by Honda that is over-hyped by some tools who write whatever they are told to in their reviews.
The commentary on each car are so vague that is hard to believe that something like this gets published.
Edmunds completely SUCKS!


answeranswer - 9/26/2008 1:25:26 PM
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And yet, when brands like Lexus build cars that are very capable for it's buyers' needs, you same people deride it for not having track-performing attributes.

Curious.


ghosthunterghosthunter - 9/26/2008 2:40:22 PM
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they also praise highly about 335 when it was out, what was your comment at that time?


bigmotovbigmotov - 9/26/2008 11:17:36 AM
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Very impressive! I rather like the look of the TL and I bet I'll like it even more when I see it in person. Sometimes it seems like people just repeat what they hear...beak, blah blah. The same things were said when Audi added the "gaping mouth" to their design.


topneurotopneuro - 9/26/2008 11:22:32 AM
+1 Boost
Boo Moo Woo, BMW got its butt kicked, again.
Yes we get it, looks like Mater the truck or Ultraman, your choice, but I want one, with a power retractable hardtop.



michal1980michal1980 - 9/26/2008 11:36:50 AM
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funny, Acura brought the 200 8 (EIGHT) S4? why not the 2009 a4, (or s4 if its out), given that the A4 for 2009 is heads and tails above the old A4


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 9/26/2008 12:09:27 PM
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maybe because as of right now the most powerful 2009 A4 only has 265hp and isn't in the same league performance-wise as these 300hp+ vehicles. When the NEW S4 comes out that will change, but until then the 2008 S4 is the closest thing in the lineup.


JUGNUJUGNU - 9/26/2008 11:37:44 AM
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First of all great work Honda, seems like SH-AWD is the best AWD in the market now. Too bad we don't get Acura here in middle East, not even the Honda badged/versions.
SH-AWD is only aviable in the Honda Legend here and that car is nearly 5 years old(till now we haven't got the all new Legend/RL) and it's competitor like 5 series, GS looks better and are more powerful.

can't wait for Honda to bring more models from Acura line-up here in Middle East.

JUNGU


MeanVulcanMeanVulcan - 9/26/2008 2:19:11 PM
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sure thing bud... When you're comparing 2 RWDs and 2 AWD in a biased facility its not an official test, much less and AWD test.

Yeah, Big Hurray for Acura, they are the Best! (Fine Print: I'm an Acura Employee) ... NOT.


B7FANB7FAN - 9/26/2008 11:42:22 AM
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Acura has always been known fortheir VTEC engines and this car is a fine example of it. Good job Acura FINALLY!!!! but the American Eagle beak grille needs to go


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 9/26/2008 11:54:03 AM
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Let me state...no manufacturer has built or can build a rear wheel drive sedan or coupe that can outperform a 335 without having to rely on super-sophisticated electronics and all-wheel drive systems. While I give a high thumbs up for the sophistication in their Engineering, I'm still impressed on what many German cars can accomplish without resorting to such tactics. In the end there is nothing we can do however...that is simply the nature of the game. Soon there will be no arguments about who has the better handling car as it will be about who has the better software. When all that matters is seconds on a clock...then it really doesn't matter what you drive...as long as it gets you there first. R.I.P Auto Enthusiast...your days are numbered. Soon every car will be equipped with an R2D2 like device to do the driving for you so you can get that 1/10th of second advantage!...whoopee!


Bmw8terBmw8ter - 9/26/2008 12:03:09 PM
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You're right. The Mazda RX7 and the Toyota Supra never amounted to anything as RWD Turbo Coupes. Same with the Lotus Omega.


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 9/26/2008 12:44:00 PM
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Those cars no longer exist or is available in the states!...and they were never direct competitors to any 3 series product. I don't remeber any RX-7 or stock Supra doing what the GT-R did to Porsche (et al) so lets not get ahead of ourselves. And, I might add that if BMW, Audi, Mercedes and Porsche were to apply "super-sophisticated" handling systems to their already great handling cars then there probably will be another bechmark set that will bring us closer to cars that take most of the driving away from the driver! One thing I've noticed about the Japanese is that they don't care about the connection between car and driver...they just care about winning. I guess in most people's eyes that's all that matters


M35MTM35MT - 9/26/2008 1:26:21 PM
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Maybe you havent heard that BMW (xdrive) Audi (quattro) and Mercedes (4Matic) all have advanced AWD systems, along with Infiniti (Attesa). So, what you are saying is, you're an idiot with your foot in your mouth.


Bmw8terBmw8ter - 9/26/2008 1:29:14 PM
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Need4Speed....your proclamation seemed to be a little ambiguous, so I figured I'd throw a few cars out there that could match your "invincible" 335, by todays standards.


Bmw8terBmw8ter - 9/26/2008 11:56:17 AM
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I bet if they used the same tires across the board, the results would have been different.


06TLDude06TLDude - 9/26/2008 12:48:48 PM
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From TOV's review:
"Every vehicle in the competitive set was equipped with a 6-speed manual transmission, sport suspension package, and the most aggressive tires offered by each manufacturer. In order to cope with the hours of track abuse that these cars would be facing during our event, Acura's engineers equipped each vehicle with upgraded brake pads, all using the identical compound."
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=789695&page_number=2


HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 9/26/2008 12:55:33 PM
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06TLDUDE, how about comparing same model years cars to each other instead of Acura providing an 2010 version of their own product and then providing '08 competitors to the press?


ghosthunterghosthunter - 9/26/2008 2:43:27 PM
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because it is a manual.


chewychewy - 9/26/2008 1:44:08 PM
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are facts getting in your way once again??????


JanizaryJanizary - 9/26/2008 12:00:08 PM
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I'll take one in "CL"-S SHAWD flavor, just chop off the damn nose.


HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 9/26/2008 12:05:30 PM
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Edmunds fails to mention that the BMW's were both fitted with the active steering option (which pretty much every review says to skip).

An interesting quote on this from C&D:
"Another revelation was that the BMWs, both equipped with optional active steering, have less than satisfactory steering feel. Perhaps Acura is using those cars for their benchmark, because the TL’s electric power steering has better weight but is notable for its distinct lack of communication with the driver.

Compared to the TL, the BMW is still the benchmark for balanced handling. At almost every point on the track, either 3-series is perfectly neutral and very responsive to driver inputs. But—surprise, surprise—the TL is quicker around the track than any of the other cars."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/honda_acura_central/2010_acura_tl_sh_awd_manual_first_drive_review+t-row_your_own+page-2.html




M316M316 - 9/26/2008 12:16:06 PM
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Good job Acura I actually like Honda but enough with the FWD same to you Audi.


abcdabcd - 9/26/2008 12:37:21 PM
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Torque-vectoring SH-AWD rules


AudiNewEnglandAudiNewEngland - 9/26/2008 12:42:48 PM
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By the time this is released the 2010 B8 S4 will smoke it, considering they tested the B7 which blows in comparison to the B8.


HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 9/26/2008 12:50:11 PM
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Pretty great comparison: comparing '08 models to the '10 Acura.


AudiNewEnglandAudiNewEngland - 9/26/2008 2:15:50 PM
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Yeah and with the new 335, that will smoke it as well.

Gotta catch up Acura...


E36erE36er - 9/26/2008 2:55:48 PM
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Let's hope so, the 3 series is not mechanically different from last years model. It's just a facelift.


answeranswer - 9/26/2008 1:28:23 PM
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Nice article.

Funny how the thing it proves most is how desperate some people's arguements here can truly be.



BMW995BMW995 - 9/26/2008 1:40:28 PM
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Why didn't they include the Lexus IS350? The IS350 is a main competitor to these sport sedans. A major goof up in my opinion. Especially since the IS for '09 has a major redesign in their suspension setup.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 9/26/2008 2:30:10 PM
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so does the 09 3-Series


goochgooch - 9/26/2008 2:22:28 PM
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I think the TL's styling will grow on a lot of people once they see it in the flesh. The TSX has grown on me. I'm willing to give it a shot when it comes out.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/27/2008 12:25:40 PM
+1 Boost
The TL and TSX are on completely different levels. The TSX looks positively mundane next to the new TL. While the TSX


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/27/2008 12:26:23 PM
+1 Boost
While the TSX only has a new grille, the body styling is very similar to the last-generation model. On the other hand the new TL looks completely different from every angle.


sectorsector - 9/26/2008 2:39:27 PM
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LOL, this thread has more conspiracy theories than the movie "Loose Change" aka 9/11 never happened :)

TL beat the competition fair and square.


007vehispy1007vehispy1 - 9/26/2008 2:47:20 PM
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Anyone of you actually read the article? This was A HONDA SPONSORED EVENT. THEY DESIGNED/SET UP the track . They INVITE test drivers to come and drive out the cars in a scenario that will favor the car they are trying to market hence the TL. Great car YES . I love it. BUT, if this was a BMW/. Audi the results may have been different dont you think?


sectorsector - 9/26/2008 2:51:20 PM
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no, results will be the same, why you cryin'?


bigmotovbigmotov - 9/26/2008 3:24:14 PM
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Let me get this right....if the same vehicles, same setup, same everything were tested in a BMW sponsored event, the results would be different? Is someone in DENIAL???

"That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."


StarStar - 9/26/2008 3:28:05 PM
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Don't worry, nobody is crying. Anybody with a brain knows that this is a joke done at a Honda facility.

Acura TL is an abomination designed and produced only in America, that even Honda would be too embarrassed to sell outside US. Have you looked at this POS? Do you not see even in the picture how out of balance this cars looks on the track?

Who in the right mind would claim that a BMW 335i with 300 pounds of torque at 1400 RPM feels unresponsive vs a torque free Honda engine equipped car? These mag tools really need to stop with this bulls**t.
Not all of us are brainwashed idiots who are ready to believe whatever they publish. Boo...


007vehispy1007vehispy1 - 9/26/2008 3:05:28 PM
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How bout Audi does the same kind of event and sets up the track the way they want to. who will win? maybe audi?


LexSucksLexSucks - 9/26/2008 3:11:40 PM
+2 Boost
Was this an "Acura Event"? Nuff said.


E36erE36er - 9/26/2008 3:16:33 PM
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Yes, the Sam the Eagle beak on the TL needs to go somehow. Otherwise my hats off to Acura for a job well done. I don't see why it's bad for the automotive world if technology enhances the drivers ability to go faster. As a fan of German cars I will say this. The German car companies need to get back to work. Schnell!


topneurotopneuro - 9/26/2008 3:32:04 PM
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What does Honda sponsored events means?
Selective manipulation of the Laws of Physics and the Universe?
Comparable vehicles, multiple drivers, tested in same scenarios. The “ugly” Acura won, get over it.



LexusLexus - 9/26/2008 3:38:06 PM
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This new Acura TL beat the 2008 Audi S4 Quattro manual, BMW 335i Sport, 2008 BMW 335xi Sport, and a 2008 Infiniti G35s.

Nuff said. And the best part was it was beaten by Tin can from Japan right? right....

What bunch of freaking idiots, suck it up, Japan can make cars that is just as good or better than their German competitor. Nissan GT-R, Toyota Supra, and Acura NSX, get the point?




TimETimE - 9/26/2008 3:41:23 PM
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This disclaimer in the end of the article says it all:

"Edmunds attended a manufacturer-sponsored event, to which selected members of the press were invited, to facilitate this report."

When Lexus sponsored a similar even IS also beat the 3er.

Wait to some independent tests done by automotive mags.


StarStar - 9/26/2008 3:50:15 PM
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"Edmunds attended a manufacturer-sponsored event, to which selected members of the press were invited, to facilitate this report."

end thread.


BondMI6BondMI6 - 9/26/2008 3:45:58 PM
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And they didn't even mention the most obvious award the new TL has won yet-

"2010's Ugliest sedan of the Year Award."


007vehispy1007vehispy1 - 9/26/2008 3:49:05 PM
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finally some clarity to the debacle. listen to what TimeE HAS to say and what I have to say. know one seems to read into anything anymore. stack these three cars up on the Nurburgring. NOW WHO WILL WIN?
The track that was used has everything to do with it. I like the TL dont get me wrong , but dont let your Honda fanboymentality (to you honda lovers) overcome the logic of this event.


StarStar - 9/26/2008 3:58:32 PM
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"Edmunds attended a manufacturer-sponsored event, to which selected members of the press were invited, to facilitate this report."


In other words Honda invited a few "members" to a party and told them. Hey guys, have some caviar, some Don Perignon and a few hookers and then tell us which car is better... the perfectly balanced BMW 335i rocket or our torqueless POS Mutant TL? But don't let the food, drinks, presents and the girls influence what you write in the article...


topneurotopneuro - 9/26/2008 3:59:25 PM
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Yes, everybody knows the earth magnetic field, gravity, pavement and air friction, inertia, and momentum is different in Nurburgring.


jselljsell - 9/26/2008 4:00:41 PM
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With the release of the AWD TL a month away, a 6 cyl TSX coming next year along with a 4 cyl deisel option, a big luxo cruiser for the RL, a new coupe (hopefully with conv. option), and a new X6 competitor, Acura seems ready to challenge a market they haven't really played in for a while (if ever). Most know that I sell Acuras for a comfortable living. With that said, I don't know what to think of this new grill design. Most of the clients I serve seem to have no issue with them. But I also know what MOST people are comparing my cars to and they are not the high end German products (once again,,, MOST people....not all). Camrys, Avalons, Maximas, and even Passats are what I hear the most. And with a Ford/LIncoln company right next door, even some of their products. Acura really has to step up the IMAGE of their brand, because as SOME of you who have seen and DRIVEN our products can attest, they do make some serious contenders in the market. With some dealers sending their BRAND NEW cars to their painters to paint the grill,,,,I think you have a serious design issue. The 6 speed has always been a hell of a driver's car (even with FWD) and has offered an exceptional value for the market. I just don't know if Acura has what it takes to take it to the next level what with that front end. I do have to admit that when I did see it in person, it was a lot less (what's the word I'm looking for....ah) overwhelming as in the picures. And seriously guys, get inside this thing because it has some state of the art features and one heck of a stereo.

sorry for the rant.....but when HONDA tries to pull a fast one as they did with this "TEST". Wow,,,,compare cars that won't even be knew when your car hits the streets....Cmon

V-10 NSX


7msynthetic7msynthetic - 9/26/2008 4:17:28 PM
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Not sure if this has come up yet but I really hope TOYOTA/LEXUS have read this article.


topneurotopneuro - 9/26/2008 4:36:29 PM
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It is not “a fast one”. There is not much lending of 2009 or 2010 model prototypes between car companies for testing going on in 2008, this prototype performance test can only be done against present or past comparable models. This practice is not exclusive to Honda; all car companies have done it and will continue to do it.


007vehispy1007vehispy1 - 9/26/2008 6:28:55 PM
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"Acura really has to step up the IMAGE of their brand, because as SOME of you who have seen and DRIVEN our products can attest, they do make some serious contenders in the market. With some dealers sending their BRAND NEW cars to their painters to paint the grill I think you have a serious design issue."

WOW ACURA DEALERS ARE SENDING CARS TO BE PAINTED, ARE U KIDDING ME! Post some pictures on autospies


007vehispy1007vehispy1 - 9/26/2008 6:40:06 PM
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i like the way the grill looks but if mom and country club dad are liking the styling, the sales are going to hurt big time


IhavearedS2000IhavearedS2000 - 9/26/2008 8:14:50 PM
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.96 on the skid pad is very good...still an ugly car but at least the performance is moving in the right direction. Everyone with their tighty whitey's in a bunch about an '10 car competing with cars on sale now...just remember, Acura has the same amount of time as its competitors to fanagle even MORE performance out of the TL before it is officially released...

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=791061&page_number=3



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/28/2008 2:27:07 AM
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Edmunds favored the S4 to both the 335i and 335xi on the track.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/29/2008 12:31:51 AM
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Of course it is. How dare I ever think any Audi could possibly do anything better than any BMW? Silly me.


wangawanga - 10/2/2008 8:36:56 PM
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Acura kick butts...and thebabies are cryiiiiiiiiiiiing


SportKSportK - 10/21/2008 11:53:17 AM
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True sports cars are NOT fwd and since I don't like torque steer I would never consider the Acura no matter what numbers they come up with in tests. I have a 335i (with the 6-MT) but would consider the Audi (or even a G8). It's the fun to drive quotient coupled with every day drivability and reliability that matters most to me. Not someone else's numbers and opinions.
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