VW ahead of BMW in resale value rankings

i am a big VW/Audi fan but this news shocked me. go VW!

VW has always had high resale levels, but the top of the list is a surprise.

I'll fill this one for you amazinignorance.

VWs are for unknowledgeable people blah blah blah they have fwd blah blah blah and its crap, etc. There.

This article is from Nov 2007.

obviously.

Who cares about prestige. Most BMW's are leased anyway. It's a matter of economic truth. Poor amazingidiot and bmwdrv. The fanboy bubble just burst.

You can't single out BMW like that. Lexus cars are leased as well. I lease my LS460 for financial benefits of tax breaks that's why I do it.. It seems like you look down on people for leasing but do you know how many people on the road are leasing their cars? Probably not. Leasing doesn't ruin a brands prestige.

I can't tell if this was tongue in cheek.

This is quite a surprise. I don't mean to be biased or anything, but come on...everyone has to agree that this is unexpected.

But yes...as Options mentioned, this article is almost a year old.

Besides that, should I also be surprised that Lexus is above Mercedes, which isn't on the list...
Even though I'm a Lexus fan, I have to admit that Lexus' rank above Merc is a very big shock.

No suprise ..
On my commute to work in the mornings, I've seen Mercedes breaking down, VWs, and even Audi.. what's the connection, they're all German.. I've yet to see nay Japanese cars.. Thus btw, is on a busy 12 mile part of a Motoway i take each morning..

On my morning commutes, breakdowns are equal. Actually I see more American cars breaking down than anything else (just saw a new PT Cruiser on the blink just yesterday) Still however, not too many cars today just totally breakdown like engines blowing up or something. It usually dumb stupid things that cause breakdowns and usually computer related.

mpls,

You are simply LYING. I never seen a German car that is less than 25 years old broken down the road but I see every single day fairly new Lexus, Toyota and Honda cars broken down on the side of the road. It's a promise ...the Japanese car WILL fail you.

Star , you probably don`t have any experience with German cars if you`re saying such a nonsense , or you have a luck . I live in europe and from my own experience I can tell you that some German cars breakdown quite often , especially compared to Japanese cars . And if you want some proof , from German weekly magazine autobild . Autobild is testing cars reliability on 100000 km distance and after every test they are disassembling tested car to search defects . They are publishing that tests in their magazines and on website . Two the most unreliable cars they`ve tested are VW Polo and VW Touran , other cars from VW Group have also bad positions :

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/100.000-km-dauertest-vw-touran_58765.html

Here is also their the newest reliability test of mazda 5 and latest update of summary table at the bottom :
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/dauertest-mazda5-2.0-mzr-cd-top_766433.html

Their summary table ( 1st-most reliable --> last-most unreliable ) with penal points and rating :
1. Mazda6 Sport 1.8 MZR Comfort 1+
2. Mazda5 2.0 MZR-CD Top 1 1
2. Toyota Prius HSD 1 1
3. BMW 320 i touring 3 1
4. Skoda Octavia II 5Combi 1.6 FSI 5 1
5. Mercedes-Benz E 320 CDI T Elegance 6 2+
6. Ford Focus 1.6i Turnier 8 2
7. Ford Mondeo 1.8/Opel Vectra 2.2 9 2
8. BMW 745i 10 2
9. Honda Jazz/Renault Clio 1.4 12 2-
10. Fiat Panda 1.1 8V Active 13 2-
11. Hyundai Getz/BMW 318i 14 2-
12. Toyota Avensis 2.0 D-Cat/VW T5 2.5 TDI Multivan 15 2-
13. VW Lupo 1.4 TDI 16 3+
14. Audi A6 Avant 2.7 TDI/Opel Meriva Cosmo 1.7 CDTI 17 3+
15. Mini Cooper 18 3
16. Hyundai Elantra 1.6 21 3
17. Renault Kangoo 1,9 dTi 22 3
18. Alfa 147 2.0 T.S./BMW X3 2.0d/BMW X5 3.0d 23 3
19. Mercedes-Benz A 170 CDI/C 220 CDI T 24 3-
20. Opel Zafira 1.8/Volvo XC 90 D5 25 3-
21. VW Golf V 1.4 26 4+
22. Opel Astra (H) 1.9 CDTI 28 4
23. Opel Astra (G) 1.6/Mercedes-Benz ML 270 CDI 29 4
24. Ford Fusion1.6/C-Max 2.0 TDCi 30 4
25. Skoda Fabia 1.4 16V 31 4
26. Skoda Octavia Combi 1.9 TDI 32 4
27. Fiat Punto 1.2/Jaguar S-Type 3.0/Renault Mégane 1.6/Laguna 1.9 dCi 33 4
28. Citroën C8 2.2 HDi SX FAP 45 5-
29. Peugeot 307 HDi 110 FAP 46 6
30. VW Polo 1.2 Comfort 56 6
31. VW Touran 2.0 TDI Trendline 77 6

UPDATE
The newest ( 26 Sept 2008 ) long-distance test of VW Passat Variant 2.0 TDI from Autobild and another "great" result :

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/dauertest-vw-passat-variant-2.0-tdi_785569.html

UPDATE of summary table :
Their summary table ( 1st-most reliable --> last-most unreliable ) with penal points and rating :
1. Mazda6 Sport 1.8 MZR Comfort 1+
2. Mazda5 2.0 MZR-CD Top 1 1
2. Toyota Prius HSD 1 1
3. BMW 320 i touring 3 1
4. Skoda Octavia II 5Combi 1.6 FSI 5 1
5. Mercedes-Benz E 320 CDI T Elegance 6 2+
6. Ford Focus 1.6i Turnier 8 2
7. Ford Mondeo 1.8/Opel Vectra 2.2 9 2
8. BMW 745i 10 2
9. Honda Jazz/Renault Clio 1.4 12 2-
10. Fiat Panda 1.1 8V Active 13 2-
11. Hyundai Getz/BMW 318i 14 2-
12. Toyota Avensis 2.0 D-Cat/VW T5 2.5 TDI Multivan 15 2-
13. VW Lupo 1.4 TDI 16 3+
14. Audi A6 Avant 2.7 TDI/Opel Meriva Cosmo 1.7 CDTI 17 3+
15. Mini Cooper 18 3
16. Hyundai Elantra 1.6 21 3
17. Renault Kangoo 1,9 dTi 22 3
18. Alfa 147 2.0 T.S./BMW X3 2.0d/BMW X5 3.0d 23 3
19. Mercedes-Benz A 170 CDI/C 220 CDI T 24 3-
20. Opel Zafira 1.8/Volvo XC 90 D5 25 3-
21. VW Golf V 1.4 26 4+
22. Opel Astra (H) 1.9 CDTI 28 4
23. Opel Astra (G) 1.6/Mercedes-Benz ML 270 CDI 29 4
24. Ford Fusion1.6/C-Max 2.0 TDCi 30 4
25. Skoda Fabia 1.4 16V 31 4
26. Skoda Octavia Combi 1.9 TDI 32 4
27. Fiat Punto 1.2/Jaguar S-Type 3.0/Renault Mégane 1.6/Laguna 1.9 dCi 33 4
28. VW Passat Variant 2.0 TDI Comfortline 41 5
29. Citroën C8 2.2 HDi SX FAP 45 5-
30. Peugeot 307 HDi 110 FAP 46 6
31. VW Polo 1.2 Comfort 56 6
32. VW Touran 2.0 TDI Trendline 77 6

TurboSpyder , TÜV , DEKRA , ADAC are not credible source of cars reliability becouse first of all they take into account cars which were inspecioned in some minimum quantity . And another reasons:

ADAC:
They only reporting cars that breakdown on the road and ride couldn`t be continued . So they would only report from latest VW passat long-distance test one breakdown .
Oddly, the most frequent source of breakdowns/call for assistance is a car’s battery. Second most frequent problem is tires… Obviously, not exactly brand-specific matters. Ignition and electric problems follow. Difficulties with the engine amount to about 8%, fuel injection about 7%, cooling and heating 6%, fuel system also about 6%.
90 models from the past 6 years were included in the statistics. Cars could only be included that were manufactured three years in a principally unchanged fashion, and registered sales of at least 10,000 units per year.
What about manufacturer’s roadside assistance programs?ADAC says that since basically all makers offer these, statistics are not influenced by them.

TÜV:
These are reporting only defects while periodical reviews of a cars to allow them for public roads . They for example would note VW passat breakdown on the road or cracked cylinder head ... And from my uncle experience , they couldn`t find hidden rust hole , car passed .

DEKRA:
These are only investigating car on someone request , if he want to buy some car for example . Also wouldn`t affirm many of passat`s defects .

Long-distance AutoBild is the most credible source what went wrong on 100000km distance , they will note every breakdown and even disassemble car after this distance and note this cracked cylinder head in this VW Passat .

"Right. <-- Sarcasm."

Yes , right . These aren`t my opinions but facts .

If you refer to some reliability statictics it would be good to know how they were done . Don`t only watch if Germans cars have good position becouse this haven`t any sense .

Autobild long-distance tests can directly tell you what went wrong . Of course if one VW would be in the bottom , then that could be incident but it is in opposite way .

"Face it, abcd"

I don`t have any problem facing anything , only one condition - it should be true .

So what , are you doubting in credibility of Autobild long-distance tests ?

"Your uncle shouldn't be in Germany."

Germans are happy becouse they have problems with quantity of engineering staff .

Yes , the statistics that you posted are facts , but you haven`t said on what rules they were done .

All statistics are useful if you know on what rules they were done and can interpret they correctly . As I posted the most frequent source of breakdowns/call for ADAC assistance is a car’s battery so for example that rather show which cars owners have the worst memory and leave their car on parking with lights on . ADAC statistics don`t show for example freaquent problem of 2.0 tdi engine - cylinder head crack .
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Immer noch nicht abgestellt: Rissbildungen im Zylinderkopf sind ein bekanntes Problem bei VW-TDI-Motoren.
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http://www.autobild.de/artikel/dauertest-vw-passat-variant-2.0-tdi_785569.html

After translation in google translate ( I don`t know German language ) :
"Still not off: crack in the cylinder head is a known problem with VW's TDI engines."

If you have any more meticulous reliability test give a link . This Autobild strip-down test have only one disadvantage - sample size . In my opinion this are one of the best tests . Reliability isn`t only about blind fate which copy of some model you get , I think one copy of some model can`t differ from another very much . But even so that autobild test clearly show some trends .

"I think one copy of some model can`t differ from another very much ."

And if it differ , it`s also not good .

"A sample size of one is generally considered useless"

Think this way , if they didn`t buy this copy of passat but you . As I said if you have better reliability tests that cover whole reliability history of some models give a link .

"And you didn't answer my question about what changed since Japanese cars dominated ADAC's list of most reliable cars.Are you saying that owners of Japanese cars leave their lights on and drain the battery more often than owners of German cars that now dominate the list? The fact that there are two million service calls takes care of any such variation."

I don`t know I only can have some thoughts . About draining batteries - this is only the example , not state , I can also think up other reasons but this have no sense , drained battery is very rare fault if someone is operating car properly , and in the ADAC this is the most frequent reason for service call , that shows something is not right here , for someone who`s thinking objectively at least .

Yea , I know something about statistics , you needn`t be so detailed .
So what you try to say is basically that you agree with ADAC and we should watch which cars are the most reliable basing mainly on their service calls for drained batteries and flat tires , what`s more if you have car on the warranty , if your car breakdown you generally call for car dealer , and cars that are unpopular in Germany like honda accord , aren`t even included in statistic .
But best off all : Why there are so big differences beetwen TUV , DEKRA and ADAC ? ***They have so big sample size that they should be almost identical like you said in your explain ***. I tell you - becouse none of that statistics cover whole reliability history and they are little useful . None of that statistics would note passat repeating breakdown of injector from autobild long distance test becouse that was repaired at dealer . Look how big diffrences there are ( ADAC from 2007 becouse I couldn`t find 2008 ):
TUV:
http://data.idnes.cz/g/auto/autobild/tuv_report.html
ADAC:
http://www.adac.de/images/Pannenstatistik%202007_tcm8-214903.pdf

NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT . Or you don`t understand that every statistic has some rules and TUV , DEKRA , ADAC rules don`t show whole reliability of models . That`s reason why they differ so much , they can show some trends if you know how read them ( then you need to have them detailed , not overall ) .

I don`t said it`s common problem becouse I don`t know this but even if it is common problem TUV , DEKRA , ADAC statistics wouldn`t show this becouse they can`t ( becouse of rules in accordance to which they`re done ) . Even if this autobild strip-down test aren`t good ( one copy inspection ) they are telling more about reliability than TUV , DEKRA , ADAC . If you have better reliability tests give a link , than I will be very happy , doesn`t matter how my favorite brands will do .

"TUV , DEKRA , ADAC statistics wouldn`t show this becouse they can`t"

"Show" isn`t good word , they wouldn`t REPORT that breakdown .

Maybe you should get a new handle - SoreLoser!

lmao

Resale Values: I would expect smaller, lower end cars to become more valuable in economic times such as this. Ata time when gas prices are soaring, there is a high unemployment rate; these are tough economic times. I think all Luxury cars will take a hit because of the times we are living in right now.

This shouldnt be taken as a hit on BMW's ego fanboys! Its just the times we are living in! Grow up!

The title of this thread is MISLEADING.
Why would this be a hit for BMW? VW is the leader in resale value is its segment and the same goes for BMW in its own segment. Is only normal for a car like BMW that belongs to the luxury segment to lose more value, but the BMW is STILL the leader in its segment with resale values way superior to the Japanese pseudo-luxury trash.

Now going back to VW. The reality is that VW does not have real competition especially in US. Their cars are hardly a step down from an Audi so obviously they are way superior than what lowly brands like Honda, Toyota, Nissan or Mazda produce. If you don't have the money for a premium car the only brand that offers you a premium package for an economy price is VW.
VW is by far the leader in its segment and having the best resale value in the industry is just a confirmation of that.

Hard to believe that smaller fuel efficient cars have proportionately higher resale values in times of high gas prices and tough economic times then larger cars..
Who'da thunk it?

Denial is NOT a river in Africa, amazinBuffoon!

LOL

"amazinBimmer - 9/27/2008 1:15:06 PM-7 Boost
audiphile.. thanks for the suggestion...

so, new one for you would be ??

Audi_loseseverycompetition?

or

Audi_lies_in_engineering?

or

Audi_slowest_in_every_class?"

If you're going to comment please try to add something useful and factual?

What does that have to do with anything? The fact that you can "afford" these cars (VWs, very impressive) means that you are more knowledgeable? Judging by your posts I would say that's a bit far off.

Starsearch/bulldogz stop whining and act like an adult. Constantly bashing other people because they happen to have different opinions than you is wrong.

I agree, who is this STAR buffoon? He makes an ass out of himself on practically every post. He argued on another post that the Infiniti G35 has no low end power or torque. What? The Nissan VQ engine in the G35 is world renowned for its low end grunt and power. That is what the G35 is known for. Some writers complain that the G35 has too much low end torque making it squirrely and this jackass STAR claims, against all evidence, that the G35 has no torque below 5,000 RPM. Please go away jackass.

Whipe your tears midget and face the reality. The G35 is a torqueless econobox.

"TurboSpyder , TÜV , DEKRA , ADAC are not credible source of cars reliabilit" Huh?

Some of these are considered to be the most impartial testers available. I would trust these figures more than anything produced by GB or US sources.

At any rate the statistics seem to indicate that VW makes some very reliable and some not so reliable cars, but overall they are doing well. Keeping in mind that most of us will never drive a VW Polo (smaller than a Golf/Rabbit) in the US we should be pretty safe with the VW brand.

In regards to leasing the more expensive cars, we all know that cars depreciate the most when they're first driven off the showroom floor. We are stuck with this cost if we bought the car. We can avoid this by two methods, either by buying used or by leasing. If you're buying a car in the upper end of affordability, in a few years (or sooner) there will be a newer model of the same car around making yours less desireable to own. (Look at model changes withing the BMW line as an example.) If you're going to replace your car in 3-4 years anyway you may want to consider leasing instead. Just be careful to note the terms of the leasing contract and try not to go over in mileage use. Leasing contracts are negotiable in many cases just like new car prices are. It's not for everyone but it is an option to consider.