Nissan answers to Porsche, defending its Nurburgring lap time

So the company that makes the car saying "Yes we can!" and a company that doesn't make the car says "No you can't!".... um, got any independent test numbers yet?

I just want to know why is Porsche is so concerned about the GTR, if they are so much better they should have nothing to worry about...Porsche > Nissan...or not! First 370z will be sold to a Porsche rep because they know that will be there next thorn in their side

Let's put it this way.

If somebody would come every day in front of your house with an inscription saying: I'm so much smarter and more successful than the guy inside the house(referring at you)and the story will even make it to newspapers and TV after a while you will eventually try to do something about it.

Even if the guy is a homeless person(Nissan) and you are a successful professional(Porsche)his FALSE CLAIMS will still get to you eventually. And just because you take some action it doesn't mean you actually think that the homeless guy(Nissan)is better than you.

Nissan is nothing more but an annoyance. An annoyance not because of the econoboxes they built, but because of the effect their false claims have over the weaker part of the population.

Speaking of being an annoyance....

"Even if the guy is a homeless person(Nissan) and you are a successful professional(Porsche)his FALSE CLAIMS will still get to you eventually.."

Just look at it this way Star,

...story will even make it to newspapers and TV...
so then the reporters (i.e., independent road tests done by every magazine, TV etc) with help of law enforcement and the local Bank do a background check on this supposed "homeless guy".. and what do they find? his bank account has more money than the "successful guy"! what he was saying was true!

... but the lowly home owner still refuses to believe the homeless guy despite the fact that independent sources verified it.

watch top gear people

porsche is just a whinny b**** which is quite pathetic

So Porsche is calling Nissan's bluff...basically challenging them...Nissan doesn't want a fight so they drop a few sentences and leave it as it may. If I were Nissan...I would have sent my driver to the ring...and offered to reproduce the same time using an off the showroom floor GT-R. This would have had several debilitating wounds to Porsche's image...1) Your driver can't drive 2) Your car is not as good as ours and we proved it. 3)We don't need to lie...maybe you need a better car. 4)Quit making excuses...baby!

But instead of taking the opportunity to really rub salt in Porsche's wound...THEY DECLINE!!!....ARE YOU F*****G KIDDING ME!

Nissan spent how many months trying to build a Porsche 911 beater and when it comes time for a showdown THEY F*****G DECLINE!!!

"Reeve added that it’s flattering that Porsche bought a GT-R and took it on the ring"

Nissan accomplished what they wanted... putting some fear and insecurity into Porsche.

Remember when the original record was beaten it was on a semi-wet track!

The GT-R never beat any record.

not the track record, I meant the 997 record around the ring.

"Reeve added that it’s flattering that Porsche bought a GT-R and took it on the ring"
That is EXACTLY what NISSAN wanted Porsche to do for them!!! Free Marketing by Porsche.

Looks like the car that a lot of people seay to be really easy to drive, is not that easy to drive after all. It may take a real race car driver to accomplish a better lap time than the one that porsche driver accomplished. get back to work porsche.

yeah, I guess the Porsche driver was just overwhelmed how good GT-R and forgot all about the "task" on hand :)

Just watch the Fifth Gear comparison. Independent and unbiased by a real race car driver!

http://lethistorylive.com/2008/09/nissan-gt-r-vs-porsche-911-turbo-by.html

Nissan continues to lie and cheat. It is after all a Japanese car brand.

Good thing you aren't biased.

Now, why would you say that about Japanese. They are one of the nicest, respectful group of people you can find. For example, in the hospitality industry Japanese tourists rate #1 in the world because they are polite, considerate, and good tippers.

Tokyo is the largest city in the world with 35 million in the Greater Tokyo Metropolitan Area. It's almost amazing they don't kill each other due to over crowing and hectic lifestyle, and do you know why? it's because they respect each other and are considerate... now does that sound like a bunch of cheaters and liars?

I'm not saying that about Japanese people, I'm saying that about their horrible car companies.

Exactly, the same Japanese companies that built econoboxes, rebadged them and sell them after as premium cars. The same Japanese companies that copy and steal from the Germans. The same Japanese companies that build cheap imitations of the real German masterpieces. Yup, those ones.

Go Trabby Go!!

I will admit that I am guilty for choosing the 911 Turbo over the GTR if I had a choice...simply for the fact that it has the name Porsche...but the GTR looks so much tougher in person! It is big! and it looks wide! but can still get the job done better than any smaller car out there.

Actually the GT-R looks like a bigger 350Z. And that means it looks cheap. You should go see one before claiming that it looks good.

if you go back and read my comment, you will realize that I said it looks tougher in person...therefore, I saw it!

Well he's not very good at basic sentence comprehension obviously

actually STAR, it looks bad ass. it looks like it's leaving porsches behind just by standing still. the car is amazing on the road and on the track as well. it totally drives like a porsche killer to me. but don,t take my word for it. go get you're self one and try it, i asure you it will be fun.

Enough about low-life-Porsche. I will take my GTR on black please!

I'll take a Porsche 911 in Gray. There is no substitute.

STAR
there is now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, now I can see where the German fan boys got their whining from, it seems like the German auto companies do that. Get over it, Porsche's ass has always been kicked by the GT-R and with this new one Porsche's ass got blown up, so stop your whining please and accept it.

vman1013 - you're very wrong I'm afraid, which makes this even more amazing. FG has been bigging-up Porsche forever and continues to do so, despite this outcome.

The GT-R looks great from that angle. If I had a balcony overlooking my driveway I'd park it just like that and smile at it over a drink each night.

What was this article about again? ;)

The exaust ports are not physically attached to the exhaust pipes. I saw one in person back in April.

Good response by Nissan. Other independent magazines have backed Nissan up and the GT-R wins, end of story. There is no reason for Nissan to get into a battle, because it is already over with and the GT-R came out on top!! Congratulations Nissan!!

HEY NISSAN you got a hot product dont lie about something stupid like this if you cant do it the same time the porsche does then get your game up dont lie for the customers because they will look stupid because that lie will become a reality as porsche explained

So Porsche is calling Nissan's bluff...basically challenging them...Nissan doesn't want a fight so they drop a few sentences and leave it as it may. If I were Nissan...I would have sent my driver to the ring...and offered to reproduce the same time using an off the showroom floor GT-R. This would have had several debilitating wounds to Porsche's image...1) Your driver can't drive 2) Your car is not as good as ours and we proved it. 3)We don't need to lie...maybe you need a better car. 4)Quit making excuses...baby!

But instead of taking the opportunity to really rub salt in Porsche's wound...THEY DECLINE!!!....ARE YOU F*****G KIDDING ME!

Nissan spent how many months trying to build a Porsche 911 beater and when it comes time for a showdown THEY F*****G DECLINE!!!

Porsche test driver TIMO kluck set a new 7 min 18 sec production car lap record for the historic 150-turn circuit in the ultimate 911, turbocharged gt2 rs..http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/nissan-and-porsche-at-war-again-20101006-166uj.html..here's the link..now keep ur mouth shut for a while datsun fan boy..:P

This is not relevant. Nice waste of your time.

This is NOT about professional racing.
NOT about any company record on the race circuit or any of the above. NONE of that has anything to do with the topic which is about street-legal cars running the ring.

If you ask me Porsche sounds threatened.

TurboSpyder = one SourKraut (pun intended!)

TurboSpyder is right , Nissan hasn`t such a racing heritage like Porsche .
But simultaneously I have never seen him complaining about small BMW racing heritage in major international races . I`m curious why .

Porsche at the 24 Hours of Le Mans since it took the overall win in 1998.


1999 - Porsche (Manthey Racing) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-R.

2000 - Porsche (Team Taisan Advan) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-R.

2001 - Porsche (Seikel Motorsport) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2002 - Porsche (The Racer's Group) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2003 - Porsche (Alex Job Racing - Petersen Motorsports) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2004 - Porsche (White Lightning Racing) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2005 - Porsche (Alex Job Racing - BAM! Motorsport) wins the (renamed) GT2 category with a 911 GT3-RSR.

2007 - Porsche (IMSA Performance Matmut) wins the GT2 category with a 911 GT3-RSR.

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Porsche’s American Le Mans Series class wins since 1998


2000 - Porsche 911 GT3-R wins GT class

2002 - Porsche 911 GT3-RS wins GT class

2003 - Porsche 911 GT3-RS wins GT class

2004 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR wins GT class

2005 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR wins (renamed) GT2 class

2006 - Porsche RS Spyder Evo wins LMP2 class

2007 - Porsche RS Spyder Evo wins LMP2 class

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Nissan's major international race wins over the same period are listed below.





Tsk, tsk, what a waste of bandwith....

"Nissan's major international race wins over the same period are listed below."

http://www.datsunhistory.com

let's guess how old star is.....i say 15

Wrong! That's his/her IQ!!!

This is the most annoying topic in the world. Porsche sucks and nissan sucks, blah blah blah. Can we move on or just bicker like someone just broke-up?

I think the Prius article can be found elsewhere.

Can we talk intelligently about this? In a drag strip scenario the Porsche would probably have a leg up because it's a lighter car. Pure physics. However in a real world track scenario, like the ring, it's a totally different story...as so many comparisons have shown. Nissan said it would not get into a war of words. Enough said.

The key here is that the Nissan MRSP is significantly less than that for the Turbo Porsche, the Nissan weighs more, yet it performs on par with the Turbo. The GT-R is a direct ccompetitor with the Turbo from a performance aspect so Porsche decided to spend the USD 74k plus dealer's premium and shipping to see what made it so good. When they found what they were hoping to find they published their results, I supect in an attempt to gain or at least retain potential customer interest.
We all buy cars for various reasons. The GT-R in no way threatens Porsche's market position as a maker of premium sports cars. It just offers we consumers an additional choice and cometition between manufacturers is good for the consumer in most cases.

Give me a sledge hammer and I will make the GT-R look good.

:-)

TurboSpyder - Ultra Porche Fanboy....

haha

This is by far the most controversial topic of 2008 and probably will continue to be for years to come. I'm sick and tired of these articles. For the record the 997 is a very very quick car and so is the GT-R. There different classes of cars (911's being exotic-luxury sports cars) whereas the GT-R is a sports car that is only built to go fast and that's it.

Both are amazingly fast cars. I've test driven both cars (which are owned by an acquaintance of mine) and they are mighty quick.

We just have to end this and respect both cars and life moves on. Any 911 Turbo owner is sure as hell lucky to own one and the same goes to the GT-R owners. Different price, different market, different taste, different cars for different types of people all for one good reason, going fast.

Let's not hate on both there's no reason to realistically.

GT-R and Porsche suck!!!!

lexus lf-a is where its at .

7:54 seems to to be a correct lap time for the GT-R, based on its power-to-weight and hardware ratio. As I recall it, the Z06 ran a 7:56 in 2003, and had a similar power-to-weight ratio (using only 405hp, but it was 750 lbs. lighter), with similar braking and handling numbers.

The problem with these Nurburgring lap time claims is there is no "Sanctioning Body" to oversee, officially document, and test these cars and their times. It can be very easy. The GT-R that Nissan used could have had over 550hp none of us would even know it.

Regardless of Porsche’s allegations, which may very well be true, it will not change the fact that the GT-R is a very fast car offering similar if not better performance than some of Porsche’s best cars, for a lot less money. Perhaps Nissan can explain how they "really" got that time and Porsche can explain why they have been charging us so much (too much) for their cars?

DetectiveBA,

you meant to tell me that the GTR with all its uber handling and ability to maintain high apex speeds could only better the 2003 Z06 time by 2 miserable seconds!? I don't know about you but all of a sudden, 7:54 for a GTR on the nurb is beginning to look like a weak attempt.

“There is no way Nissan can beat Porsche”.

Sounds like …
“The 1969 Apollo Lunar landing was a hoax.”
“911 was a CIA plot, not a terrorist act.”

German Porsche engineers should pay more attention to their heritage.

"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are."

Bertolt Brecht
German Communist & dramatist (1898 - 1956)

For Brands that respect theirs customer they never say "I Can do it" when they know is not true. Now is worse for them. People don't thrust in theirs credibility anymore. People who has power and money never buy copies just the original because this thing was created for this purpose for a long time ago. Porche always was and is a very fast cars they prove it and everybody know it.

And the world is still flat.