2010 Audi RS5 Meets 2010 BMW M3 CSL

 2010 Audi RS5 Meets 2010 BMW M3 CSL
The rivalry between Audi and BMW is a clash of industry heavyweights, a battle for the hearts and minds of the most demanding, tough-minded car enthusiasts in the world between two adventurous, successful car companies. And it's all coming down to the 2010 Audi RS5 and the 2010 BMW M3 CSL.

These cars are coming down the production pipeline, major statements of automotive performance by two companies that care more about excellence than profit. (They're German, after all.) If you're a car enthusiast, the prospect of these two super coupes will be all you're going to be talking about for the next year.

And yet both Audi and BMW want the other to win the race to market. Why? Because the output of the V8-powered 2010 Audi RS5 and 2010 BMW CSL will both hover around 450 horsepower, and whichever arrives first allows the enemy to gazump it on peak power.

That is, if these cars arrive at all.

Supercharged V6 or Brawny V8?
The 2010 Audi RS5 will be measuring itself against the current BMW M3 with its high-revving 4.0-liter V8. There have been mutterings about a supercharged V6 in the new Audi, and indeed the 2009 Audi S4 sedan that arrives this autumn will feature this unnaturally aspirated 350-hp V6.

But not so the RS5. The RS5 coupe will be a flagship, so Audi will be giving a one-fingered salute to the demands of environmentalists for downsized engines. The RS5 will feature a twin-turbo version of the corporate Audi 4.2-liter V8 and it'll deliver 450 hp and 332 pound-feet of torque, a substantial boost above the 414-hp output of the normally aspirated 4.2-liter V8 we remember from the Audi RS4.

At the same time, this 4.2-liter V8 will incorporate direct injection to improve fuel economy and it will meet the new, stricter European air emissions standards that will come into effect in 2009.

Supercar Power and Shifting
As you revved the RS4's V8 beyond 8,000 rpm, the engine and exhaust bellowed thunderously in unison, and you felt your heart pierced by the arrow of some petrolhead Cupid. And there will be much more of the same in the new RS5's V8. The red-rimmed tachometer will encourage you to seek the redline, and even in turbocharged form this will be a free-revving engine. In a world of politically correct anti-smoking regulations, this will be a Montecristo cigar.

Never fear. A slick manual gearbox will be part of the mix, but Audi also plans to offer an upgraded version of its dual-clutch transmission for the RS5, a matter of some difficulty considering the power output involved. Engineers have been readying the S tronic system for its longitudinal V6 engines, an ambition finally realized this year for the A4 and Q5, and the next development is the DL7Q transmission.

This dual-clutch setup uses wet clutches instead of dry units like the S tronic, a measure to improve durability under a heavy torque load, and indeed Audi hopes to use this transmission for the V10-powered S6 and RS6 as well as the RS5. The shift action will probably be fractionally slower than that of a dry-clutch unit, though.

Regardless, the RS5's dual-clutch DL7Q will swap cogs quicker than a six-speed manual, and the automatic mode will save fuel, too. You'll be able to fire through the gears like a driver in the DTM racing series using shift paddles mounted behind the steering wheel, and the transmission will also feature a launch-control mode.

High-Performance Quattro
The RS5 will feature Audi's customary all-wheel-drive system, but it has added a new, secret ingredient — a special rear differential to enhance the car's handling. It's a development of the active sport diff now available on A4 Quattro models, which eradicates understeer, Audi claims. In a corner, the new diff shifts torque laterally across the rear wheels to the outside tire, delivering more grip. The result is a car that turns in sharper and then doesn't plow across the apex in understeer mode. Time will tell if the RS5 will match the M3's tail-happy slideability, but it's another example of Audi making an effort to measure up to the performance standard set by the M3.

The new active sport differential complements the Quattro system's torque-sensing center differential, and apparently the torque split of 40 percent front/60 percent rear will remain. Audi is working toward an even more rear-biased split, as the change from the former 50/50 split to a 40/60 split proved instrumental in giving the RS4 the steering crispness real drivers prefer.

The RS5 will also benefit from the new A4-based platform, with a wheelbase that's 4.1 inches longer than before thanks to relocating the front differential ahead of the clutch. The front wheels are carried by an aluminum five-link suspension, while the rack-and-pinion steering assembly is closer to the centerline of the front wheels. The result is 5 inches less front overhang, so there's less mass leading the front tires down the road plus a more even weight distribution (although it's still markedly biased to the front).

Compared to the familiar Audi S5, the RS5 will have a wider track thanks to 20-inch tires, and the bodywork will have fender blisters to enclose the wider rubber. Audi also plans to shed 110 pounds from the 3,594-pound S5 by using even more aluminum up front as well as plenty of aluminum and carbon-fiber trim.

Looking Good
The design of the 2010 Audi RS5 is typical ballistic Audi, with a grille that looks like it's smashed through a chicken coop at speed, a deep front bumper and airdam and those trademark oval tailpipes. There's a real focus on aerodynamics, too, as the body sits a few millimeters lower, and Audi is experimenting with some active aerodynamic devices that might involve not only the rear spoiler but also the front air splitter changing position according to speed.

Meanwhile, you'll be sitting in the usual ergonomically excellent driving position surrounded by sleek napa leather upholstery and you'll be holding the flat-bottom sport steering wheel Audi has recently adopted. And just as in the 2009 Audi RS6, you'll have the option of adjusting the responses of the suspension, steering and throttle in case you're lapping the Nürburgring Nordschleife instead of cruising the neighborhood.

Expect the 2010 Audi RS5 super coupe to appear in 2009 and then begin full production in Quattro GmbH's Neckarsulm factory (the former site of NSU, the company that developed the rotary engine before Audi took it over) in the sixth week of 2010. It should be capable of accelerating to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 4.5 seconds, our sources tell us — naturally, a couple tenths quicker than a BMW M3.

Is the BMW CSL Still in the Game?
In fact, BMW may have already folded in this poker game. Ludwig Willisch, the new chief executive of BMW's M Division, noted that there's not enough demand to justify the expense of developing the limited-edition CSL, confirming comments made earlier this past summer by Klaus Draeger, the M division's development chief.

Our sources say that the hard-core CSL — uprated to 450 hp and slimmed down by 220 pounds compared to the standard M3 — had been just 12 months away from production after numerous sightings during development at the Nürburgring. But Willisch has burst our expectant bubble. "Based on current numbers, there is most likely insufficient demand for the M3 CSL," he recently told a representative from a German automotive Web site.

Willisch also ruled out an M3 Touring and an M version of the new 7 Series, although he has confirmed a high-performance X6 and X5 with a 460-hp version of the twin-turbo V8. It's deeply ironic that BMW is passing on the lightweight CSL for heavyweight crossovers.

What We're Missing
The M Division engineers had prepared an extensive diet of carbon-fiber parts for the 2010 BMW M3 CSL, we're told. The checklist featured a carbon-fiber hood with the same exposed (and UV-ray proofed) weave as the M3's roof, a new front bumper with a larger air intake, and a new rear aero diffuser. The strip show was completed by the substitution of manually adjusted seats for electric ones, thinner rear glass, a cardboard floor for the trunk, and the deletion of the audio and air-conditioning systems.

Meanwhile, the CSL's 4.0-liter V8 had been breathing deep through the big grille intake, a carbon-fiber airbox and new valves to deliver as much as 470 hp. Insiders predicted a top speed of 186 mph, and the use of sticky tires and an M Track mode for the stability control would have made the CSL ideal for track-day heroics.

The M engineers had also widened the M3's front track, stiffened its spring and damper rates and then revised the suspension geometry to make the steering noticeably more direct.

But what we're missing most is the opportunity to see Audi and BMW go head-to-head in the same arena, a real match of engineering excellence with no excuses. Though the times are fraught with financial risk, we'll see if BMW can hold back the 2010 BMW M3 CSL once the 2010 Audi RS5 sees the light of day a year from now.
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HyundaiHyundai - 10/7/2008 9:58:35 AM
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Isn't the 2010 M3 CSL canceled?


Agent63Agent63 - 10/7/2008 10:25:45 AM
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that's what I thought.


SHOWTIMESHOWTIME - 10/7/2008 10:27:25 AM
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Read the whole article.


VISOVISO - 10/7/2008 1:40:57 PM
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Yes, that is what the article states in CAR


Agent63Agent63 - 10/7/2008 10:25:26 AM
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RS5 = sexy beast

RS5 > M3 (or M3 CSL)


B7FANB7FAN - 10/7/2008 1:38:13 PM
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I agree StarSearch...I smell a WANKSTER. He just described himself perfectly thats what he does. Thanks amazinBimmer for that description of yourself at least your being honest now your a "a pimple faced geek that lives in moms basement" and your "trying to get a job and save for your first fwd VW" so what was all that big talk for these past couple of months did you need something to WACK too...lollololl....I bet your favorite base ball team is the YANKEES....lolol....your comments are still useless keep trying MOMMA's boy.


DutchmanDutchman - 10/7/2008 5:22:48 PM
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Amazinbinner=Idiot.


Agent63Agent63 - 10/7/2008 10:19:53 PM
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You're just upset I'm not supporting your M3. What's with the harsh words little man? trying to make yourself seem bigger?.

Like I said:

RS5 = sexy beast

RS5 > M3 (or M3 CSL)

WHAT?




Bighead255Bighead255 - 11/21/2008 9:26:04 AM
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lmao TAKEDOWN


2ndbimmer2ndbimmer - 10/7/2008 11:35:03 AM
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The audi is nice. I would like to drive the RS5 before I can make any assumptions. I have driven the S5 and was dissapointed because of the softness of the drive and steering. it does have a good look and was comfortable and shifted nice, but driving the M3, it was lightyears ahead. especially on the track at speeds above 100.
I would love to see teh CSL M3, but i feel that they overproduced the new M3 and were not hitting their goals in sales. they should have not produced too many and then they would have no problem releasing the M3 CSL.


JaybrnJaybrn - 10/7/2008 1:19:35 PM
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I agree 2ndbimmer,I was lucky to drive both, but separated in time by months in everyday situations. The S5 is a nice car for the commute, but soft when pushed a little like you said. The M3 reminded me of some aspects of why I still put up with my EVO IX, nice direct feel, speed-wise were similar, but of course outrageously more luxurious in terms of comfort, materials, noise and cache. I do wonder about a lighter, faster car given that experience. In terms of M3 production, there is a dealer near me with 15+ M3's in all forms on the lot.


1dott81dott8 - 10/7/2008 1:52:27 PM
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why compare a grand tourer to a sport tuned coupe?


MeanVulcanMeanVulcan - 10/8/2008 12:47:01 AM
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I attended Audi's drive event and they had the S5 and claimed the S5 is meant to be a cruiser and not a sports car, thus the softness and the different engine. The RS5 is meant to represent the sports car.

I think this is an excellent approach. You can reach two different crowds with the same platform. I loved the look of the S5 but I can't wait to see the wider and more aggressive RS5.


JaybrnJaybrn - 10/7/2008 1:24:41 PM
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I mean cachet!


B7FANB7FAN - 10/7/2008 1:39:31 PM
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three rockin bimmers your look at the way you talk your definitely a mommas basement boy...lololol


VISOVISO - 10/7/2008 1:40:36 PM
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A 10 year old M5? Ok, you're rockin in your mom's basement alright. Enjoy your mullet!


Agent63Agent63 - 10/7/2008 10:20:52 PM
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Digging yourself a deep hole there. Your rocking bimmers? Well I wouldn't be proud of what I have if my parents bought it for me. But you! you're definitely a proud one.


AutoSuppliesAutoSupplies - 10/8/2008 12:33:55 AM
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take a picture and upload it to any picture dump website so we all can check it out. Remember to hold up a sign that says "im a gay douche" so that we can confirm authenticity.


B7FANB7FAN - 10/7/2008 4:02:25 PM
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you should just say you actually own a saab.....PERIOD....lolololol


VISOVISO - 10/7/2008 2:10:12 PM
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What so rockin about a 750Li (don't they give those away) and xi=imitation quattro at best.


AudiNewEnglandAudiNewEngland - 10/7/2008 2:42:52 PM
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AmazinBimmer needs to get laid, once of course he's done going through puberty.

BMWs=Cheap. Try buying an Audi/Mercedes, and shut up. Seriously, who let this child on the internet. This kid contributes minimal to the discussions.

The RS5 will be spectacular, but for now it will remain speculation as to how well it'll preform. Isn't this an old article anyways?


MeanVulcanMeanVulcan - 10/8/2008 12:52:57 AM
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NOTHING is free. You pay it up front in the price of the car or you pay it when you take the car for service. It's a psychological gimmick... if you fall for those things.

Some people like to think they get things for free. Its a free country after all.


Germancar_fan01Germancar_fan01 - 10/7/2008 7:13:20 PM
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seems like the comments are about this bimmer guy.<What so rockin about a 750Li (don't they give those away) and xi=imitation quattro at best.>ouch wat about 4 matic ...so ur telling me that Bmw stole the idea from a VW? And the 7 series boring? buddy this isnt a A8 that is driven by 80 year olds with 2 hands on the stearing.I guess a beetle lover like u would say stuff like that.




VISOVISO - 10/7/2008 8:44:25 PM
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Yes, I am beetle lover. Another tool joins the forum. Audi has one of the youngest demographics and I am sure more 80 year olds drive your precious little 7-series that never wins a comparison against the A8L or the S-Class. At least my Beetle will have a better residual value than your little 7-series. Spare me your BMW fanboism. We have enough of that here with amazing idiot. State something logical next time.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2008 10:46:45 PM
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We have a new troll! Time for a celebration!!!


MeanVulcanMeanVulcan - 10/8/2008 12:55:35 AM
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better check your demographics. Audi has one of the lowest average buyer age among luxury makes. BMW, Lexus have the highest.

Lets refrain from flat out lying and start using facts, like them or not.


Germancar_fan01Germancar_fan01 - 10/7/2008 7:14:03 PM
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sorry i used <> instead of ''


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2008 10:47:27 PM
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I was excited when I first saw this A MONTH AGO, but it's fake. I hope the RS5 looks that good, box flares and all.

The CSL isn't happening, unfortunately.


DenaliDenali - 10/7/2008 11:28:32 PM
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ill take the VW-S coupe anyday over the M3...is there an CSL for 2008-9??????


GermanNutGermanNut - 10/8/2008 5:48:55 PM
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a 7-year old M5? LOL what happened could you not gather up the funds to buy an E60.

amazinBimmer is Broke...just what I thought and how fitting that he is just like the rest of the BMW buyers when it comes to annual income.


M53RM53R - 10/9/2008 7:36:35 AM
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If there was a CSL, I would take it and drive in circles around the RS5..

and guys, grow up... this whole " my car is better than yours " is stupid. But at least we can tell why the economy has been horrible lately...


caixa2caixa2 - 10/10/2008 12:55:40 PM
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"and guys, grow up...this whole 'my car is better than your' is stupid." - DUDE, are you reading what you're writing??? You started the sentence saying that you wuold "drive in circles around the RS5" if you had the CSL! Trying to sound intelligent is a lot harder than it looks, huh?


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