Volkswagen Outstrips Toyota To Be Worlds Biggest Market Value Automaker

Volkswagen Outstrips Toyota To Be Worlds Biggest Market Value Automaker
Volkswagen AG today surpassed Toyota Motor Corp. to become the world's biggest automaker by market value as the shares benefit from hedge-fund trading strategies and the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.

Volkswagen is up 190 percent in 2008 after surging as much as 55 percent today. The owner of the Audi brand was one of only four stocks in the Dow Jones Stoxx 600 Index that rose yesterday in the European gauge's worst decline since October 1987, making the carmaker this year's best performer on the continent.

With analysts forecasting profit growth will slow to 1 percent in 2009 from 17 percent this year, the Wolfsburg, Germany-based car producer's earnings outlook isn't boosting its price. Instead traders who shorted the shares on expectations they would decline on Porsche SE's bid for a majority stake were forced to close their positions, according to three people in the securities-lending business who declined to be identified. The failure of Lehman, which lent Volkswagen shares to short-sellers, probably helped trigger a so-called short-squeeze, they said.

2008 Paris Auto Show

2009 BMW 7-Series


Read Article

Agent009Agent009 - 10/7/2008 12:46:28 PM
+1 Boost
A freakin crazy world right now.. I bet 6 months from now it will be different, yet again.


_43LE_43LE - 10/7/2008 4:38:13 PM
0 Boost
As I mentioned in another post, it's very sad when someone takes pleasure in the misfortunes of someone else. You gotta know that TurboSpyder is chuckling with an evil grin on his face right now.


_43LE_43LE - 10/8/2008 10:00:54 AM
0 Boost
Isn't that what we all think? Reality check for you, based on your past posts I find that hard to believe. You may think that your one of the good guys but to most of us you are on of the "good ol' boys" if you know what I mean.


Agent009Agent009 - 10/7/2008 3:13:59 PM
+5 Boost
Funny how "some" fanboys jump on sales, value, or reliability as the reason they are better. And as soon as that benchmark is eclipsed by a competitor they immediately say "that doesn't mean anything".


sectorsector - 10/7/2008 1:14:51 PM
-11 Boost
No worries, Toyota will realign themselves to get back on track with less gas guzzlers and more sensible offerings. This is like getting the news that Billy Gates lost a few million at the poker table.


0to600to60 - 10/7/2008 1:20:11 PM
+3 Boost
More like he lost the title of the richest person in the world...which he did. Im sure that took a bite out of his ego at least.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/7/2008 1:39:45 PM
+9 Boost
You mean more of the same old, boring, stagnet, soul less and uninspired designs?

Toyota:

T- Totally
O- Old,
Y- Yawn,
O- Overrated
T- Trucks &
A- Automobiles


LemonadeLemonade - 10/7/2008 2:21:54 PM
-10 Boost
QueerMatrix,

Right... Kinda like..

B-Bitch
M-Mobile for
W-Women


0to600to60 - 10/7/2008 3:10:40 PM
+1 Boost
I was speaking of bill gates in my post.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/7/2008 7:18:32 PM
+3 Boost
LemonTurd,

I'm sure all the women that drive BMW's will thank you for that compliment, because everyone knows BMW kicks "ALL" the competitions Ass'...

So on behalf of the fairer sex, I humbly accept your compliment and endorsement of BMW as a KICKASS RIDE..



LemonadeLemonade - 10/7/2008 7:42:48 PM
-3 Boost
QueefMatrix,

It must suck to live in that little bubble you're in because you really are a true example of a LOSER and you know exactly what I'm talking about.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/7/2008 8:20:59 PM
+3 Boost
Sorry LemonFart,

I don't socialize with lowlife's like yourself and as for the LOSER term, judging from all of your previous posts your taste and comments define the term LOSER!

And YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!

I'm very open minded, just can't stand the RICERS on this site that claim Asian Cars are as well engineered as the German Makes. Time and time again they aim at the Germans and miss the target. Always a decade or more behind..

So go eat your Lemon Tarts and drink your Hot Saki and have nice little nap.



LemonadeLemonade - 10/7/2008 8:58:48 PM
-4 Boost
WOW QueefMatrix.. Looks like I hit a nerve..haha


Well you keep posting your stupid little post', which by the way you probably didn't notice how you contradict yourself in each of your post'. German makes are pieces of crap like the people who drive them. If B-Boring M-Mobile for W-Women fell off the map nobody would notice.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/7/2008 11:27:05 PM
+5 Boost
LemonFart,

No, you didn't hit a nerve, you actually made me laugh at your lack of any intelligence whatsoever.

No contradictions on my part, but you might want to look in the mirror.

You keep coming back for more so I must be the one that hit a nerve, oh small minded one..


LemonadeLemonade - 10/8/2008 1:35:18 AM
-5 Boost
Oh Really?!?!


"I'm very open minded, just can't stand the RICERS" You're NOT that open minded, Queefer! Only those with very little to no initelligence would understand any logic coming out of your tiny bubble. I find it very amusing how you try to belittle me with total non-sense, oh Queefing Queer One.



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 8:05:47 AM
+7 Boost
LemonPus,

You need to play with someone in your own league, like maybe a pre-schooler with ADD..

You must have a thing for Gay guys cause you seem to love the slang terminology, which is usually an indicator of one's own suppressed sexuality coming to the forefront.




LemonadeLemonade - 10/8/2008 11:26:11 AM
-5 Boost
You know what? You're right Queefer! What was I thinking trying to reason with a TOTAL Loser like you? At least we can agree to one thing which is the fact that I should have never went DOWN to your level. Keep taking your One-A-Day and maybe, just maybe you may regain what very little sense you had.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 12:22:24 PM
+6 Boost
Dear LemonPus,

Keep trying to convince yourself and everyone else on this site that you have at most the intelligence of an amoeba, who knows, at least you might even begin to believe it..

But, then again, you would need more than one brain synapse to form a single coherent thought and I highly doubt you have even one.




LemonadeLemonade - 10/8/2008 1:54:01 PM
-3 Boost
Your idiotic comments speak volumes about yourself. You consistently queef away about how much smarter you are than I am, yet you keep responding back. Once again, your personal attacks are very amusing (haha) yet lame. I find getting under your skin makes this thread more enjoyable and don't deny it because you keep coming back for more. Asian makes are on par with the German makes, if not BETTER! Now before you reply make sure you take an aspirin, it's good for the heart. I wouldn't want you to bust an artery trying to think of another "brainless" personal attack, LOSER!


BigShow50BigShow50 - 10/7/2008 2:21:30 PM
-9 Boost
LMAO!!!...you Toyota haters are a joke. It's funny how the market works in the most mysterious ways. But at the end of the day whether it's a win or loose for Toyota, their cash reserve of $45 Billion plus, (which no other auto corporation in the world has that in their shoe box), remains to be untouched for Toyota. So VW regardless, still has alot to prove, and they know for a fact the high tides they are riding will no last very long! If VW knows any better then Porche should not need to buyout Audi let alone VW(is this a cry for help from VW?)...Well, enjoy the spot light and its' artificial success!!! LMAO!!!


StarStar - 10/7/2008 3:56:39 PM
+4 Boost
VW > Toyota. End of story.


_43LE_43LE - 10/7/2008 4:39:39 PM
-4 Boost
Everyone else's opinion >> Star


StarStar - 10/7/2008 5:03:34 PM
+3 Boost
Look at the geeks crying...ha, ha, ha,.. Toyota is DOWN. With cars that fall apart in a few months and shady reliability Toyota cannot fool anybody anymore. Say hello to the only refined and fun to drive car in its price range....VW. Now the Germans dominate EVERY SINGLE SEGMENT. BRAVO!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!


ualluall - 10/7/2008 4:08:15 PM
+2 Boost
BigShow50: You obviously don't have a clue...VW is trying to prevent this move of Porsche with a vengeance.


abcdabcd - 10/8/2008 3:21:42 PM
-4 Boost
Yea , Toyota ( Lexus ) makes better cars and the Germans know that :

Auto 1 Innovation Prize 2007 . Lexus LS 460 , Auto Bild "Auto 1" awards (2007) . The German automotive magazine selected the LS 460's Advanced Pre-Crash Safety System for the innovation award , mentioning specifically its infrared cameras , front and rear radar sensors , and pedestrian / driver detection systems .

http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=192479


abcdabcd - 10/9/2008 3:15:27 AM
-1 Boost
"that if a student who got 60% on a final exam answered a question correctly that another student who got 95% on the exam missed, then the 60% student is equal to the 95% student. You gotta look at the big picture."

Democracy . Western way , so the best way . You said that many times and now you questioning that ?
Though you`re right , democracy isn`t credible .

This is more credible award :
"The annual Paul Pietsch Prize for Advanced Technology is one of Germany's most prestigious awards for automotive technology and which has been won by the Lexus GS 450h. The prize is awarded for advanced technology in production cars with the jury made up of the technical editors of Auto Motor Und Sport's group publications."
http://www.lexus.com.sg/about_lexus/news_and_events/cont_global_success.asp

So you see , it always isn`t so hard to find some award , since so many of them have been awarded .


abcdabcd - 10/9/2008 11:47:13 AM
0 Boost
"I don't think I once talked about democracy on this forum"

Yes , you were , one example , your discusion with Ingenieur :
http://www.autospies.com/news/Autoweek-s-Review-Of-The-New-Lexus-IS-F-22564/

Though your Midengine nick was deleted ( BTW , why :
http://www.autospies.com/news/Do-You-Agree-GM-s-Bob-Lutz-Calls-Global-Warming-A-Crock-Of-S-While-In-Dallas-26494/
" You are correct midengine is history.. too many warnings and not enough respect to others. " )
, there`s citation what you said :
"Why were the East Germans backwards compared to the West Germans? Mostly because they had a backwards system imposed on them ..."
--------------------
"Are you a communist?"
No .
--------------------
Here`s information about fuel economy reported by owners in Europe :

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/

Automotive journalist often are getting very different fuel economy .


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 8:13:36 AM
+8 Boost
huu76,

No need to defend your cheap love for the cheap Asian brands to me.

Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura have been trying to duplicate the German Premium brands since they started up in the late 80's and early 90's.

Every one of the models in their lineup have been a response to a German model.

No need to lease a near luxury German make when I own a 2008 BMW 335i Coupe.. Notice I stress the word "OWN" not lease.

But, then again if I wanted to get a really cheap interest rate on an economy, luxury wannabe brand I could always head to any Toyota dealership and find one at ZERO percent interest..

LMAO..

Sounds like you are the one that needs to grow up. How does it feel now that you have lost your only talking point on leases and BMW's?? Have you checked the current rates lately??




LemonadeLemonade - 10/8/2008 1:43:45 AM
-7 Boost
damnikco,

You're a GM guy, you're starting to sound like these German Fan Girls with all that "boring underpowered and uninspiring cars" talk. Nobody talks about Cadillac because they're pieces of sh*t. When someone mentions Cadillac I think fleetwood BOAT. Being Market Value King is no where near GM's sights right now. Boring, Uninspiring and Unreliable is why GM is where they're at today.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 8:34:23 AM
+7 Boost
The only reason that Toyota may be king of profit is because of all the cost cutting measures in materials used when producing cars.

Asian brands when compared to German brands lack any substance and the materials are always subpar to the Germans.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 9:04:41 AM
+5 Boost
Since you are good at posting links here is some news for you Huu:

Wednesday, October 01, 2008
Toyota U.S. September Sales Fall 32.3%
Recommend Email this Story | Respond to Editor | Print

SEND Wallace Witkowski
MarketWatch PulseBuzz up!Digg It StumbleUpon Reddit SAN FRANCISCO -- Toyota Motor Corp. said Wednesday that September U.S. sales fell 32.3% to 144,260 vehicles from 213,042 a year ago. U.S. Lexus sales in September fell 37.7% to 9,430 vehicles from a year ago. U.S. light truck sales dropped 38% to 55,918 vehicles in September.


Copyright © 2008 MarketWatch, Inc.




QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 9:27:02 AM
+4 Boost
Huu, is it you that is always saying that Lexus sells more cars in the USA than BMW??

Here are so more facts for you to digest:

The BMW Group in the US reported September sales of 18,506 vehicles, a decrease of 25.8 percent over the 24,932 vehicles sold in September 2007.

Now if my math is correct that means that BMW sold 9,076 more cars than Lexus did in the month of September.

Just some more facts for you to chew on Huey..


StarStar - 10/8/2008 3:05:11 PM
+5 Boost
Just stop talking and avoid further embarrassment.


olgunolgun - 10/8/2008 10:16:53 AM
-1 Boost
www.olgunkordal.com




QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 10:18:20 PM
+1 Boost
You spin the facts any way you want to Huu..

Any jerk, including you, can pull a rabbit out of his ass by going to various sites and claiming them to be facts, which you so frequently do.

You are one of the least credible posters on this site.




DieselRulesDieselRules - 10/11/2008 3:43:57 PM
+1 Boost
Wow! I've never seen so many off-topic postings on this site, ever.

Toyota is suffering an SUV hangover. They drove the SUV craze with the most models of any manufacturer for a while, and that's where most of their cash reserves come from.

Now everything is due for a correction. Fortunately for VW, the Touareg never did sell well, so a drop in that model's sales has virtually no effect on the big picture. However, having a product line comprised almost entirely of practical and efficient cars that are (mostly) fun to drive puts them in good stead. Even if it is more by luck than planning.

PS: Toyota will quickly adjust its product mix and flood the US market with micro-cars and scoop market share. While VW, who already have excellent micro-cars, will not bring anything to North America and miss yet another opportunity.

I think VW has better technology, but Toyota is better at business, even if they screwed up big-time this once.


Copyright 2026 AutoSpies.com, LLC