The High Price of Exclusivity: Driving the Fastest Comes With a Price, But Are You Willing To Pay the Premium?

The High Price of Exclusivity: Driving the Fastest Comes With a Price, But Are You Willing To Pay the Premium?
Cars have always been a passion of mine.  My tastes have always leaned to the faster, sometime even exotic cars when I would rattle off a list of cars I wished I owned or drove.

Recently I have been looking at the Lamborghini Countach, a wicked piece of engineering from the “independent” days of Lamborghini.  Cars like this came with a price above and beyond the sticker price; it was the cost to keep these cars going, as they weren’t terribly reliable.  I love reading the “for sale” listings for these cars that include lines like, “…new clutch…” or “…complete service including all belts…” and the car has less than 5000 miles.

Things have changed since Audi took over at Lamborghini; we have seen advancements in quality and reliability turning a once questionable driving experience into one that can be taken with confidence knowing the car will get you to where you are going and back without incident.

Or have they…

As I prepared to leave the house for a meeting several weeks ago, I was greeted with a horrible sound when I attempted to start my 2008 BMW M3.

A sickly sounding noise greeted me.  I again attempted to start the car, and the same sound accompanied by a whirling of electric noises.  If the third time is the charm, for me it at least allowed the car to turn over, but it was smoking.  The display on the iDrive screen displayed “Engine Malfunction” while a red exclamation point flashed on the instrument cluster.  There was no need to stop the car as it stalled by itself, and the strong odor of a fuel rich exhaust filled the garage.

I promptly called the dealer who advised me not to drive the car, but have it towed.  They requested I call BMW roadside assistance to arrange the tow truck, and stated they would have a loaner vehicle for me upon arrival at the dealer.

To make a long story short, the M3 spent over a week at the dealer while they waited and eventually installed an idle sensor that had gone bad.  The service advisor was genuinely concerned about this situation calling almost daily to update me on the progress.  The biggest hurdle they had was the part was not in stock in the USA, instead having to wait for it to come from Germany.

After a week, I picked up the car and within minutes of leaving the dealership, the check engine light came on and stayed on resulting in a second trip to the dealership to have them clear the codes and bring my M3 back to 100%.

I was impressed by the way in which the dealership handled this situation.  BMW roadside assistance was great as well dispatching a tow truck to my house within 30 minutes of the initial phone call.  Aside from the inconvenience of not having my car, the experience was fine.

Which got me thinking…

News of the Nissan GT-R and various service related issues have been prominent on AutoSpies.com in recent weeks.  Earlier this year there were several stories surrounding the DCT transmission in 2008 BMW M3’s. 

The very thing that made the Lamborghini Countach unreliable as a daily driver is the thing we celebrate with our new cars. 

Technology coupled with reliability.

But that technology can certainly work against us as well.  When I purchased the M3 in March, the salesman made a big deal about the break-in period.  He admonished running the engine above 5500 RPM for the first 1000 miles stating that he had seen both M3 and M5/M6 with engines that had been damaged or destroyed during the initial period, and that BMW would not replace them under warranty if the break-in had not been completed.  The engine computer (a.k.a. the black box) would be the witness to actual driving behavior, so there would be no deniability should something catastrophic happens.

 But BMW is not the only party at play here; Nissan is selling cars that the computer knowingly allows to destroy itself via the launch control systems.  In other words you can have one of the fastest cars in the land, but to be able to prove it, you will need to place the car in to “self-destruct” mode.

And owners are not happy.  Nissan is using the “black box” of the GT-R to evaluate the driving habits of the owners to determine eligibility for warranty claims.

Like a bad 80’s movie where the villain always had a self-destruct button, the GT-R is built to be fast, but at what cost.  Owners are being asked to fork over big bucks to keep their super cars on the road.

All the bragging rights, just make sure you read the fine print in the GT-R owner’s manual.

I don’t know about you, but stories like these would certainly make me think twice about purchasing cars that will knowingly allow you to destroy them while trying to extract the performance the manufacturers like to brag about.

Sure, Nissan has graciously offered Porsche driving lessons at the Nurburgring, but for how many laps before the GT-R needs a new transmission or other major components. 

So in the end, for as well as I was treated during the down time with my M3, I know for a fact I would not be happy having to write a check to cover a new transmission, engine or other major component.

Tell me I am wrong, but I think that if you were going to buy a car like the GT-R, I would expect it to last for a very long time, even if every start is done using the launch control system to extract maximum performance.  You don’t hear about Porsche owners dealing with issues like this.

So tell us, wouldn’t you expect your super car to last for more than a few maximum performance launches?



kasperweisskasperweiss - 10/19/2008 11:27:18 PM
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Before you take any stock in this article, maybe you should check out j.d. power reliability rankings and see where porsche stands (address at bottom). You'll see that as a brand they are average (same as nissan and many other cars that outperform them for half the price). Powertrain dependability is just average, seems strange since they've been using the same basic design for 30+ years. I thought german engineering was supposed to be better. http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-brand


kasperweisskasperweiss - 10/20/2008 1:08:00 PM
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That's absolutely ridiculous turbo spyder. Don't mislead people. I just went to that site and sorted by overall dependability and guess what, Porsche still only has 3 bars out of 5 and that's the same as Nissan. For that matter, nissan's armada and titan pull their rating down.


kasperweisskasperweiss - 10/20/2008 1:24:17 PM
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What these ratings don't take into perspective is that, on average, a porsche will be much better taken care of than a nissan, yet dependability is not any better. I don't dislike porsche's, I'd love to have one of the air-cooled 993's, they're gorgeous, but to bash Nissan cars, which I've owned and which were all very dependable cars, is ridiculous and unfounded.


Transit77Transit77 - 10/19/2008 3:37:34 AM
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I agree completely! Sad how things work when you read the fine print!


rtramey2rtramey2 - 10/19/2008 4:23:18 AM
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I cancelled my GTR order last week because of the transmission and black box issues. I wont have to worry about that with my new Porsche. Nissan's loss, Porsche's gain. I am wondering if Porsche will be kind enough to Nissan's engineers to tech school for a transmission design class?


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/19/2008 2:57:44 PM
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^^^ LMAO!!!


ualluall - 10/19/2008 7:54:43 AM
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I somehow like the styling of the GT-R, but seriously..Porsche plays in another class


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/19/2008 2:58:40 PM
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Yeah, Porsche plays in the slower class.


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/19/2008 7:20:57 PM
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^^^ And what does this have to do with production cars?


kasperweisskasperweiss - 10/19/2008 11:33:33 PM
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Porsche also puts three times as many cars in those series as the other manufacturers. It used to be that lots and lots of manufacturers put cars out for the purpose of these series, but it's not so anymore, Porsche is virtually the only one so big deal, they had 3 times as many entries and ended up winning alot. I'm not bashing their cars, but the sheer number of vehicles they support is larger than anyone else, so the odds are with them to win more races. Anyone who watches any of these series can attest to that.


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/21/2008 12:14:05 PM
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Nissan's racing history:

http://www.datsunhistory.com


Yonder7Yonder7 - 10/19/2008 8:54:25 AM
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I like the GTR but as adamsaf723 said: You get what you pay for



AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 10/19/2008 9:20:51 AM
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With North American freeway speed limits, cars which go 0 - 60 in 3 seconds and can fly along at 400 mph are a waste of money - unless you regularly track your car or you want the bragging rights to having the fastest car on your block.


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/19/2008 3:01:00 PM
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When you ABUSE any car you will have problems, period.


KZ258KZ258 - 10/19/2008 10:25:29 AM
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I've been keeping a look-out on edmunds inside lane page about the GT-R and all i've seen is trips going back to the dealer about "If the vehicle is refueled when the vehicle is hot, the fuel pump may automatically shut off before the tank is full. This does not indicate that there is a malfunction. This will not happen after the vehicle has cooled." and moisture in the driveline parts. I didn't see anything concerning a failed transmission or anything along that line


SSP350SSP350 - 10/19/2008 11:24:16 AM
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Wow, I was actually more concerned about his M3 cosidering the fact that the car doesn't even have launch control.
Aside from that, I don't think this story makes any logical sense. You ALWAYS pay a premium for faster cars. The point of the matter is Nissan made this vehicle with the capability of going extremely fast with no limiter. They could've, just like any other cars, equipped the car with one. I can list a whole bunch of supercars that has serious unreliable issues, and Dodge Viper being a major one. There is only thing when someone purchases a 'supercar' and that thing is BRAGGING RIGHTS. Whomever can afford one, should also be able to fix one. Also, in light of AgentOrange statement above - makes me think he's not a real auto enthusiast. The cars that AgentOrange mentioned, they don't need to make sense, its not what its about, anyway. And this goes without saying - there is always a compromise regardless of what car you buy.


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/19/2008 3:06:37 PM
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What people here fail to realize is that if you ABUSE any car, you will run into problems. Try dumping the clutch at 6000 rpm every time you accelerate at the traffic lights and see how long your clutch or transmission will last.


schechtyschechty - 10/19/2008 11:48:41 AM
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In the words of Tom Cruise in Risky Business "Porsche, there is no substitute"...


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/19/2008 3:03:18 PM
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Yeah, no substitute for slower cars.


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/21/2008 12:15:27 PM
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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI


ghosthunterghosthunter - 10/19/2008 3:34:38 PM
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kinna funny when agent 00J has no idea that Ferrari has the same launch control in Europe, but only warrant your transmission for the first FIVE times. and what really made me laugh is agent 00J thought only Nissan uses black box data.




Agent00JAgent00J - 10/19/2008 4:47:35 PM
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Agent 00J is well aware that there are a lot of "black boxes" out there in modern cars, the point is when the information is used against you. If you can't incriminate yourself in court, how then can a car you OWN testify against you?

-00J


HyundaiHyundai - 10/19/2008 7:36:35 PM
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Hyundai thinks talking in 3rd person is very cool.


makkystylemakkystyle - 10/19/2008 3:06:43 PM
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Well it seems to me that at ~$75k you can afford to replace your transmission four times before you have spent as much as it would cost to buy a worthy competitor.

This story is just dumb. Every race car is entirely rebuilt after each race. If you want race car performance you are going to have to accept that the car will require more regular maintenance and endure much more wear and tear. Anyone who thinks they can buy a supercar and expect the reliability of a Honda Accord doesn't deserve to own it. If you can't afford the cost of maintenance, then you can't afford the car. As another poster on here quite clearly pointed out, Nissan themselves TELL YOU that the transmission is going to wear out eventually, so don't act surprised when it does. If you launch control the car at every stoplight, you would be a total moron to expect that you wouldn't wreck the tranny over time.

And just a note 00J... when you are "greeted with a horrible sound" when you start your car up, it's generally not a good idea to continue cranking away on that key like a rat trying to get a pellet.


Agent00JAgent00J - 10/19/2008 4:50:06 PM
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Funny how you mention a supercar with the reliability of a Honda Accord, but isn't that exactly what Acura did with the NSX thereby causing Ferrari and others to invest heavily in systems which made their cars everyday vehicles.

In terms of the horrible sound, the first 2 times it was an extensive whirling of electronics, the third time the engine turned over, but as I stated stalled almost immediately at which point a tow truck was ordered.

-00J


kasperweisskasperweiss - 10/19/2008 11:37:56 PM
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wait to go makkystyle, that's exactly right.


kasperweisskasperweiss - 10/19/2008 11:48:36 PM
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BTW, the NSX was a joke. 65-70k and all I get is 270hp(initially at launch, 290hp now, "wow"). Give me a break, at a time when the NSX was a somewhat relevant car, 35k 300zx's and supra's were outperforming it with the same amount of reliability, if not more. The NSX did nothing to force other manufacturer's hands in reliability. Look above at Porsche's reliability now. That was the simple cause and effect of advances in electronics (ecu, fuel injection, valve timing). And don't try to compare a lame performing 270hp NSX to supercars that actually perform. When a Nissan Altima can hang with a car(NSX), it's not a supercar. This article is a joke and I can't believe I wasted time reading it.


kasperweisskasperweiss - 10/20/2008 1:20:04 PM
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I went a little overboard, my intent was not to bash the nsx, all I meant to say is that general electronics advances and performance increases in many cars led to supercars becoming better not a specific car pushing the mfg's, but I still don't see how you can rate the American NSX as a supercar, atleast not in today's time. It is light and many tuners have made them quick, (saw a video of a modified one outrunning a gt-r around a track the other day), but stock they are not that fast and in today's time they are seriously outdated. I am not a proponent of tricked out civics over an NSX. The NSX is an excellent sports car, but it doesn't have supercar credentials.


kazuya369kazuya369 - 10/19/2008 3:20:57 PM
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hmm you working for Porsche? Auf Wiedershen


TauronB2GTauronB2G - 10/19/2008 11:50:02 PM
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Really doesn't surprise me about BMW or Nissan. I have a buddy that had a BMW 540i that went through engine failure just as the warranty ended. But in BMW's defense they replaced the engine for free but made him pay for labor. That was still expensive but not as expensive as the engine.
Funny thing I never had any of those problems with my Benz :)
T


montyz81montyz81 - 10/20/2008 8:11:01 AM
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I wonder if the launch control system and the black box were put in place as a CYA mechanism that keeps Nissan from being sued?


M35MTM35MT - 10/20/2008 8:39:37 AM
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Has every single transmission failed on the GT-R? No? Thought so.


M35MTM35MT - 10/20/2008 12:15:35 PM
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Give what time, your coming of age? Ha...


VISOVISO - 10/21/2008 1:17:19 AM
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What's the point of your article? So, your car had a problem. Happens to many cars whether they are premium or volume. You act so surprised?! Why? This post has to be the most nonsignificant post yet on Autospies.com


VISOVISO - 10/21/2008 1:18:00 AM
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Oh, by the way, an M3 nor any BMW qualifies as a supercar. Try an R8 for that.


528i528i - 10/22/2008 3:57:37 AM
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Stop the audi BS..


sectorsector - 10/22/2008 3:44:42 PM
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Moral of the story?

BMW = Big Money Wasted


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 10/22/2008 8:33:30 PM
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BMW = Bring My Wallet (so you can get assf*cked)


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