Is YOUR New GT-R Going to Spend More Time In The Shop Or On The Road?

If I had one for real, I would barely be going fast... the traffic here is just redicilous so I think mine would last... Except if I decided to use launch control in every stop and go situation :P

Don't disable it, that could void the warranty!

What's RIDICULOUS is that grown people don't know how to spell.

you should also know more than one person drives that GT-R btw. you should also know people drive cars abusively when its not theirs. unless i see hardcore evidence that the GT-R isnt reliable, i plan on buying it over anything else in its class and whooping the competitions @$$ as well

its a auto blog words are spelled wrong just to speed up the typing process...this is not a spelling bee or a college report people are typing... u kno wat im sayin right!

you should be called, "The Linguistic"

Thank you TheSailor. The problem is, it's not like I was trying to piss anyone off. I guess some people just like to act smart. Oh well..

and here, even if there was NO SPACE AT ALL on the roads people would still buy SUVs and big cars.. Thats why small luxury cars dont sell that well here. I think the 7 series sells almost twice as much as the 3 series!!! People like showing off, and not every road is perfectly made. So when you're in some areas around Dubai, like Sharjah and Ajman, you'll regret driving a small car because of the tough road conditions... And if you have a super expensive car, it'll break your heart everytime you have to drive on sand or rough surfaces :P

There is no real answer to anything that is man made really that reliable...But I think Nissan has proven themselve as a contender to building the ULtimate Machine. And that you can have Joe the Plummer drive it just as fast a PROFESSIONAL race car driver. Now if they Abuse what they hold dear, than it will come out in the wash....I.E..The data recorder.

Unfortunately people want performance and reliability now a days...who would have thought that?

Add to that they want the car to do all the work...go figure!

there shouldn't be any problems as long as you drive the delicate flower gently. and, by all means, DO NOT try to achieve any of the manufacturers performance claims.

hahaha you're so angry because it wiped the porche

pathetic

blah blah blah...blah. More baiting GT-R fodder.

This was posted by hater Agent009, of course. 009, don't hate cuz' your fav brand Audi can't produce anything close to what Nissan did. If you read carefully you'll see that Edmunds is obviously beating their GTR and not driving it like most people drive supercars (very slow). There's a few thousand GTRs on the road now and you focus on the five that reported that they broke theirs after driving like a maniac on each stop and go; then you go and advertise to the world that the GTRs are unreliable.

By the way the number of R8 crashed and totaled for undependable handling exceeds that of the claimed unreliable GTRs. Save your life 009 and don't attempt to drive an R8 on the rain, buy a reliable Nissan instead.

"If you read carefully you'll see that Edmunds is obviously beating their GTR and not driving it like most people drive supercars (very slow)"

ok, then what is the point of getting one at all? So at a stoplight you can brag to the guy in the Ferrari next to you that your car COULD beat his car, but you're not going to because you're afraid it'll break?

Sorry, but if I'm buying an $80k sports car, I expect to be able to drive it like a sports car. Look, if I buy a Lexus LS and break it because I'm autocrossing it (i.e. doing something the car was never intended to do), that's one thing. But a sports car is SUPPOSED to be able to be driven hard and fast, and Nissan voiding people's warranties because they used a feature Nissan put on the car in the first place (launch control) is absolute crap. If you don't want people using it, don't have the feature on the car. You put it there, then stand behind your product.

I hope you didn't graduate from USC because you're giving it a bad name.

You just don't get it. Talk to any real racer and ask them how many engines and transmissions they go through in order to keep their machines performing their best. If you treat your street car like a racer, than you better have a lot of cash because it's going to cost you. And that is why you only see Ferraris cruising on PCH and not hauling ass all the time because if they did then they would have to spend extensive time at the shop.

Stop making excuses GTR35. I drive my 964 like I stole it, every time I get behind the wheel and it's getting on 20 years old. Now I've burned lots of tires, lots of brakes and a few clutches but I've never busted a transmission, nor has anyone in my pcar club with all forms of Porsches. In my opinion, the clutch and tires should always go first and I think Nissan knows this. They just wanted to have top numbers in the mags, so they ignored conventional wisdom and built a car with a transmission as the weak link. Great for a show-and-go at a low price point but not so great for real, long term owners. I wonder how many transmissions an average GTR will have gone through after it gets to be as old as my 964? Surely in 20 years, plenty of owners will use the launch control as many times as these overzealous owners have in the first few months?

^^^Does your 964 have launch control? Enough said.

GTR35- Hey I like the GTR, just it is extremely hard to make a high performance machine perform reliably. They tend to be abused. Almost anyone can make a car reliable if is is coddled, but the real test is when it is actually used for the intended purpose.

This may be where Inside Line has found a weakness. If it is pushed to the limits they seem to be easy to break.

Regarding "R8 crashing due to unreliable handling". You can't put idiot drivers wrecking their R8s as an unreliable car characteristic. In fact, in the latest TOP GEAR Australia episode, the Stig (example of a good driver) drove the R8 around the track in absolutely drenched conditions with water flying everywhere and they were astounded at the unbelievable performance in the rain. In fact, it even beat the new M3's dry track track time, which is a terrific handling car with similar power.

Most magazines also state the benign nature of the R8 at the limit. Although the GTR may have better traction, they say when it loses control, it would be much less likely for the average driver to control. Besides, the more R8's the true idiots wreck, the more rare the R8's become, rather than the normal production GTR's. Don't get me wrong, I like the GTR, and most recently had a problem-free M45 Sport, but the R8 has had numerous handling accolades including best handling car by major publications so one would be outright wrong in claiming unreliable handling. We will have to await the longer-term data to render judgment on both cars' reliability.

"The R8 also has a weight distribution of 44/56 front to rear which is very close to the 45/55 that Ferrari determined is the optimum for a performance car.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0406_ferrari_612_scaglietti/weight_distribution.html"

Yea , Audi know from who take technical ideas for their sport car . But can`t they be more creative ? I think they`ve done the R8 to similar to the Italian sport cars , especially Lamborghini , they should do it their own way .

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If you want GT-R transmission to be reliable simply don`t use the launch control to many times ( in other cars with twin-clutch transmission you also can`t use launch control excessively ) , it will still be very fast on track , it will be only two or three tenths of second slower to 60 mph , so probably acceleration will be similar to 911 turbo tiptronic . We will see how many times we can use launch control in 911 Turbo with PDK .

I doubt Audi copied anything from the Porsche 914 and I don`t know how weight distribution can be copied , many cars have similar weight distributions .

I wanted to say that Audi should build sport car their own way using their experience from Le Mans or other own ideas . Audi only bought the Lamborghini and use Lamborghini`s experience in builing supercars to base Audi`s supercar on the Lamborghini Gallardo chassis and other components - sources say it`s only 15% of parts based on Lamborghini`s but that 15% include major parts like the chassis and transmission . Why didn`t they it their own way using experience from Le Mans or using conceptions of Audi`s engineers ? Like for example Kazutoshi Mizuno who used their own experiences from designing some group C race cars to design its Nissan gt-r .

"Today, the Chinese say that when they copy others' designs they're just doing what the Japanese did when they copied western products to catch up. It's no secret that the Japanese copied a lot."

So , you`re taking words of some Chinese guy who is coping ( stealing intelectual property ) as credible .

"So now you're going to find one legitimate example of a German company copying someone else"

Are you saying that you finally accepted that VW beatle and later rear engined Porsches ( the same conception as Beatle ) are copies of Tatra cars ?

"and a handful of laughably absurd examples where you claim that they copied"

Becouse they copied , Porsche 924 for example .


"then you're going to declare "See everyone copies equally". ...
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4450/2001lexusls430slipperysjz6.jpg"

I`ve never said something like that and I never will . Yes , Lexus ls430 is a imitation of the S class , though more reliable its still a imitation .

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-yatoi_gaikokujin"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_revolution#Continental_Europe

"Often the technology was purchased from Britain or British engineers and entrepreneurs moved abroad in search of new opportunities. By 1809 part of the Ruhr Valley in Westphalia were being called Miniature England because of its similarities to the industrial areas of England."

This one didn´t have tranny isseus if you bothered to read the articles.
This one had a shitload of other problems and at one time spend upto 13 days in the shop. An all that in only 6k miles.

This wasn't because of abusive driving, this was because of moisture in the drive-train. It's in an earlier part of the article. The whole replacement cost 13.4k

JRobUSC:
I couldn't agree with you more. BMW M's have launch control - you don't see them voiding the warranty if it is used, and you don't see those cars breaking... And, must I say, BMW's are not the most reliable cars in the industry (I may get attacked on here for saying that hahaha). But they have a product and they stand by it, and it WORKS - over and over again.

GTR35:
I agree that cars of that nature should be driven with care and caution - if I had a $80k sports car, believe me I would drive extra carefully. But, there are times when you want to have FUN in a car that is built for this thing called FUN. Take this GT-R; a monster of an engine, a great chassis, and then you are told you will void the warranty if you drive it the way it was built to be driven?? That's a bunch of BS. Again, great car, excellent dynamics, but all goes down the toilet. Shame.

Thing is, when an owner of a 250k Ferrari/Lamborghini needs to do 10k repairs to his car it isn't to much of a problem.
But when owners of an 80K car, who say can just afford it, need to do 10k repairs to their cars, it might be a problem.

This must have been a dull place before the GT-R because at least twice daily there's controversy over this car.

More of the typical nonsense from trolls (TurboSpyder being a prime example).

The only abused cars which are known to have broken have been driven by Billy Bob and Cletus, who wouldn't know what to do if they saw a road which had a corner. Find another powerful AWD car which can be launched, hard, time after time without risk of damage - there isn't one in existence.

BMW aren't stupid - the SMG launch control for the US is limp-wristed because of this, and Ferrari are smart enough not to even offer it in redneck-land.

Exactly the same warranty conditions were imposed on the SMG E46 M3 in Europe, and Ferrari won't cover transmission damage if you use launch control - this hasn't been picked up by the anti-GT-R fanboys for some reason ...

Hmm, funny you should say that. I've never heard of any transmission problems with Bugatti and they repeatedly floor the thing whenever I see it tested.

No mistaking the GT-R as a great car and elevated the some-what obtainable sports car to new levels. Smacked the uppity supercar folks across the forehead.

I take blogs with a lose sense of reality and will wait for official reliability reports when available.

Makes complete sense to me.

Wait at least a year to talk about reliability. In the same way that I can not accept that the M3 is a lemon for some transmision problems , I do not think the GTR is a bad car just for a few problems ...wait and the time will give us the best answer...

This is always a touchy subject. However it's not the GT-R against the world. If you guys have watched the Nissan documentary on this car their marketer clearly mentioned the company makes mass produced economy cars. With that said it mainly targets people outside the realm of a Porsche and the Italian stallions.

Take me for example, I own a 997 TT *as the name probably suggests* but has put a down payment on a GT-R. I don't buy it because it's great quality (because it wasn't the greatest) but rather for what it is. It's an extremely fast car that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and it's expendable. Meaning I won't be babying it like how I would a Porsche, Ferrari, or Lamborghini. It won't win awards for being the best looking car and will never be an iconic look like a 911 but that's not what I am buying it for. I just want to have fun and from what I gather it's an ease to drive because it's a flappy paddle (DSG) type set up. I CAN'T WAIT to take it on to a track.

In the end of the day, cars are cars. 997TT is fast and the GT-R is fast. We're just in for a thrill that's all. The Nissan is just a cheaper thrill than others.

If I were to get one...hmmm probably more on the Road