Taking One For The Home Team - How To Save The Big Three And Perhaps Even The US Economy

Taking One For The Home Team - How To Save The Big Three And Perhaps Even The US Economy
Thirteen years. 

Thirteen long years ago.

May 13, 1995 was a very long time ago.  But it is a date that stands as a benchmark that bears significant importance for me.

A lot of you out there have your significant date, for me it is the date of the last domestic car purchase.  In my case a 1995 Ford Contour SE.  Funny thing is I still remember the payment amount, $367.66.  I have a good head for numbers, I remember a lot of non-important numbers that have been part of my life.

Why reminisce about a car bought 13 years ago you might ask?

I'll tell you, because currently the United States is at a crossroad.  The economy is falling apart daily, and the long slow decay of the domestic auto industry has turned into a collapsing giant that will take down many other companies in the process.

Companies who rely on in part or whole customers named General Motors, Ford and Chrysler. 

So I got thinking, and I want to propose an idea that just might be crazy enough to work.  Well, it would work but it would take everyone's participation - and that means you.

What if we all bought American.

I'll give you a minute to recover.

What if we all bought an American car.  A GM, Ford or Chrysler.

Maybe not today or tomorrow, but what if we collectively decided to make a statement and start to buy domestic vehicles.

Imagine the impact that would have on our economy.

I mean, lets look at the facts.

Currently the Big Three are begging Congress for loans and other bailouts.

Who do you think that money comes from?

If you said you and I, you would be correct.

Congress is loaning our money, our hard earned money to the Big Three (and banks, and insurance companies, and just about anyone else able to get an audience with Congress) in an attempt to head off bankruptcy or worse.

Wouldn't it make more sense that if we are going to give money to the Big Three, we at least get a little enjoyment or use out of it.

Where I live a lot of people depend on the auto industry for work.  Located within a 50 mile radius from my house is the Saturn factory (which is churning out the new Chevy Traverse), a Nissan factory, and Honda factory and a Toyota factory.  Expand that radius to 200 miles and you pick up another Nissan factory, a Hyundai factory, the forthcoming VW plant as well as Mercedes-Benz.

The economic impact from any manufacturer tanking is huge and widespread, for General Motors and the 200,000 employees the impact would be devastating.  Job losses as the impact trickles down through vendors and suppliers is immense.  No matter where you live in the country, odds are that someone you know would be impacted by a shutdown.

So why not take a leap of faith, and invest money back into the Big Three by purchasing your next vehicle at a GM, Ford or Chrysler dealer.

I for one cannot cast judgment, for while the car purchase in 1995 was domestic, cars since then have been mainly German.

But what if that were to change.

What kind of impact would that have on the US economy along with the Big Three?

I can hear some of you thoughts as you argue that cars like the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry and others are made here in the US.

You are right, and cars like those and many others do have a positive impact on our economy, however Honda, Toyota, Nissan and others aren't lining up at the doorstep of Congress to beg for money.

We as a country are experiencing a downturn like none of us have ever known.  Stories from our parents and grandparents about the Great Depression truly have very little impact on us as we never actually experienced such times, and as such we have difficulty comprehending such times.

But while we are optimistic that things can't get much worse, the fact is NONE of know that for sure.  Because of that, I propose a pro-active game plan that will help to strengthen our economy by buying American

And there are a lot of options that I think fit the bill pretty well.  Cars like the Cadillac CTS, Dodge Challenger, Chevrolet Camaro, Ford Flex and many others show tremendous promise.

I'm going to do my part, my wife and I have already agreed that our next car will be from the Big Three.  Does that mean we won't ever go back to an import, probably not.  But if choosing the Big Three can have a positive impact on our economy and help to get things back on track, I am willing to help.  Multiply this decision by a large portion of our population, and we the consumer can fast track the recovery of the economy, and help friends and neighbors keep jobs that currently are on the line.

Tell me I am crazy, but I think making this bold decision is one that guarantees we all win, and ultimately isn't that what it is all about.  Making us winners.

Are you willing to do your part to help the US economy?


EL34EL34 - 11/7/2008 11:15:17 PM
-17 Boost
Let the big 3 die and that will be the end on the Unions.

bye bye UAW :-D

Hey people don't worry, Obama will create more jobs by playing basketball.


bestofallcadbestofallcad - 11/8/2008 12:15:38 AM
+2 Boost
You know what is wrong and why AMERICA IS IN Touble?? It is because of dumb people like you that do not even attemp to support your own Country's compnany's. Who the hell do you think you all are. You sure as hell are not fellow American's to me. You should be ashamed of yourselfs. I know Canandian's that supports our countrys company's. You make me sick!!!!!!!!!

The Goverment has to bail them out or our country will lose 2+ MILLION jobs the big three did not survive. Do you know how this would impact our country's economy?, if this the big three went out of business the other auto makers in other country's would soon fail as well because since stupid un loyal Americans that buy their JUNK wont have the money to buy. Crazy America is the only place in the World Lexus is even sold, every other place in the world there is not a Lexus name plate it is just Toyoto.
So are you really sure you want the big three to go under???

WAKE UP!!! THIS COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE!! Which as you if you watch the news since our country has been in trouble it as affected the Worlds economy has well.

And has for Bush the housing market and banking problems where not caused by him, it was all the liberals at Freddie and Fannie Mae that made this happen. Lenders where giving loans like money was water, then they tighten up so much that they have made it so diffecult to get a loan for Homes, to cars to small business loans. Infact even since the Goverment gave them the 700 Billion they still have not losened up and the banks are hording the money and some of these bigger banks are buying other banks with the money that is our tax money. The white House has come out many times telling the Banks losen up we did not give the money to have the banks keep under lock and key.

And as for the UAW the big Three need to break them since the UAW is killing the big three.

The UAW needs to be GONE!!!! and GM, Ford, And Chrysler would be profitable again.

SO WAKE UP!! IF YOU DON'T MEXICO WILL BE THE PLACE TO LIVE AND AMERICAN'S WILL BE FIGHTING TO GET INTO THEIR COUNTRY VS THEM TRYING TO GET INTO OURS!!!!!!!!




EL34EL34 - 11/8/2008 12:46:29 AM
-10 Boost
bestofallcad-

I supported my country for the past 8 years and I said buy American.

The Democrats refused to support the USA, but now that they have Obama boy they want everyone to buy American.

I say, I don't think so!

If Democrats want to buy American then go for it, but it's the Republicans turn to buy import cars :-)


Agent004Agent004 - 11/8/2008 1:12:15 AM
+8 Boost
Why is it *unamerican* to want to purchase a GOOD product. Why can't the big three spend more time on quality control, look and feel, and passion like practically every other manufacturer out there? Because it's cheaper to NOT do those things! How is THAT American?

Who is getting ripped off when you buy an American car? How is THAT American?

This country isn't in trouble because America can't produce a quality car. It's in trouble because we can't produce a quality government.


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 11/8/2008 7:31:19 AM
+1 Boost
Agree with EL34's position on the unions. They shoot themselves in the foot all the time and shoot holes in the economy when they miss a shot in the foot. First they priced themselves out of the market by blackmailing the industry into ridiculous labor contracts (which the industry was stupid enough to accept), and now they oppose the proposed GM/Chrysler merger -- I guess they would rather see both companies go under and have the unions lose all the corresponding jobs in the process.


enp83enp83 - 11/8/2008 7:58:21 AM
+3 Boost
I wouldn't even begin to think about buying a car from the big 3 just for the sake of helping them out until they start to help themselves out by kicking out the unions and drastically reducing the benefit costs to retired workers. Kick the union out, if the union members strike trust me there will be plenty of people lined out the door to take those fine jobs, high wages and good benefits.


EL34EL34 - 11/8/2008 10:00:24 AM
+1 Boost
bimmerfan25-

I've got a question for you. What kind of puppy should Obama get for his daughters?

It's the big issue of the day.


EL34EL34 - 11/8/2008 10:06:15 AM
-2 Boost
Badgewhore-

That's what the Viet Cong did to the South Vietnamese after the war.

Here come the judge, Obama gonna save the world.

lmao


Designer1Designer1 - 11/8/2008 12:35:47 PM
-1 Boost
I truly don't want to see America go into recession, I truly don't want to see America hurting, but I do want to see those who caused America pain to suffer. And my proposal is for the garbage 3 to go to hell. Yes, we'll lose 2+ millions jobs, but I hope Barack Husain Obama can fix that as he claims. If the garbage 3 true American companies they would've cared about the repuration of the American product, but they chose to screw Americans like me and you and pucket as much money as possible, and now since they saw the government is bailing out banks, they made up these new lies that they're bankrupting if they're not saved. They've been like this for the past 20 years and they didn't learn to fix their shit, and now they want to steal more money? I say let them go to hell.

The problem is very simple, people do not buy shit.


KZ258KZ258 - 11/8/2008 8:28:11 PM
+1 Boost
trade in your M3 for an american car ooj than post something like this up and i cant bring my girlfriend into this either; i do not buy her cars for her so if you trade in your M3, i'll give away my maxima for some chevy or whatever


Agent00JAgent00J - 11/9/2008 8:45:15 AM
-1 Boost
KZ258 - I ordered a 2010 Chevy Camaro SS this past week with an anticipated delivery of mid to late April 2009.

My only contingent on this purchase is, as I told the dealer, that the quality has to be on par with other recent GM offerings like the CTS. As such (and because of my affiliation here) I have a fully refundable deposit on the car I ordered, however I hope that it is as good as it appears to be.

With that being said, I was very critical of the Camaro early on, however it has really grown on me thereby causing the about face. So all of you who remember the story I wrote months ago critical of GM for their failure to bring the Camaro to market, refer back to here when questioning why the switch from me.

I am excited by the prospect of having the new Camaro, and will document it all for you as the time draws closer.

-00J


KZ258KZ258 - 11/9/2008 7:33:20 PM
0 Boost
what about the M3?


dumpstydumpsty - 11/7/2008 11:39:39 PM
0 Boost
no. in that same era; gm, ford, and chrys all basically laughed at toyota, hyundai, and honda. there was no way foreign cars were better than those from the Big3. then bmw, m-b, porsche, etc. reminded everybody that european vehicles were the real benchmarks. since then, the big3 has been trying to convince consumers that they're "as good as, but really better than" any of the top foreign auto makers in just about every category.

ok. we've have some serious events that seemed to have piled on to one another which has brought us to this "dire" situation we have today. Trucks & SUVs were the biggest profit-machines (how much does it really cost to make an Escalade? probably not much more than a Tahoe --- but consumers pay 2x the cost of a basic Tahoe to drive, not own, an Escalade) with limitless market reach. Hur. Katrina increased petrol prices so fast and so high, that people's heads were spinning like the popular chrome spinners of 2 years ago. along with that, mortgage rates were resetting to higher monthly premiums such that many people couldn't even afford the home they really shouldn't have bought anyway. There was a time when it was --- either buy a new house or a new car, not both --- not people were buying homes, then taking out 2nd mortgages to buy the new SUV. Sense & sensibility was lost a few years ago, now reality sets in.

I can not imagine a US auto industry w/o any of the the Big3, but i can see consolidation with the help of the govt. Just like the govt gave banks cheap loans to such up weaker financial institutions to help soften/prevent global economical downturns, the US govt must consider lending a more viable automaker funds to "swallow" a weaker competitor.

I don't think Ford should own either of the other 2 big3, so either Chrys buys GM or GM buys Chrys. No matter what, they should consolidate their divisions, models, supply chains, and workforces to take advantage of their combined market share. But in doing so, they must commit to more hybrid models and let their halo "brands" (Corvette, Viper, Caravan, 300, Camero, etc) operate to dominate their perspective categories.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 11/8/2008 1:24:18 AM
+5 Boost
I just hope regardless of Obama or any president will do his full part in bringing back the US economy and the auto industry as well as create more jobs.


BossBoss - 11/8/2008 3:31:20 AM
+1 Boost
I'm gonna clarify some things that I am very aware of but i would like everybody willing to verify.About a year ago I got all patriotic and said to myself what ever i buy from now on its gonna be made in the USA iam not no redneck iam actually 1st generation american from europe but i seen where we were headed and said ill do my little part to help out.went to home depote one afternoon because i had to buy some material for work i looked up and down the whole store looking for made in the USA the closest i got was designed in the USA and made in china,And i thought to myself wow they must thing iam some sort of an idiot.1 guy designs it in the usa and a full factory in china making this item for the american market.1 designer 20 chinese workers hows that even up.but what was most noticable was that the designed in the USA was in bold lettering and the made in china was tiny bearly even noticed it.i left home depot dissappointed that day but kept that goal in my head and always kept my eyes open for made in the USA as of yet i have not found it.Now lets fast foward to the big 3.if you are looking to purchase their cars to support your country like i was you might find it interesting that most of their cars are'nt even produced here in the USA BUT INSTEAD IN MEXICO OR CANADA.I plan on purchasing an american made car but not from the big unless they are made here and designed nicely.other wise it will be german or japanese plants with american workers being paid thats where i'll be spending my money at.


Agent00JAgent00J - 11/8/2008 8:07:40 AM
+4 Boost
Damikco - Weather here in TN is perfect right now. The leaves on the trees have changed creating an expanse of color that excites the eye. This is by far my favorite time of year.

Where do you live?

-00J


EL34EL34 - 11/8/2008 10:10:39 AM
0 Boost
damikco-

You say for the last 8 years the Republicans have run this country into the ground.

Did you know right there are 17 million more poeple that own their home than when Clinton was President and they are not in foreclosure.

I guess you don't remember Jimmy Carter when home loans were 15% to 18%, car loans were 18% and credit card rates were 22%.


VISOVISO - 11/8/2008 1:10:43 PM
-1 Boost
We all have to work together as Americans to solve the current problem, but you democrats do need to get grip! Congress has been controlled by the dems since 2006. They have as much blame for the current mess as do the Repbulicans. Don't finger point and stop hating because it will not solve anything except hurt Americans. Plus it comes off as ignorance.


EL34EL34 - 11/8/2008 10:11:43 PM
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bimmerfan25-

Your brain has been washed by ABC, CBS, NBC CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post, Michael Moore, MoveOn.Org and the Daily Kos and you're still going thru the spin cycle.

Time to put down the begging big 3/UAW kool-aid and wake up to reality in the morning.


Agent00JAgent00J - 11/8/2008 8:05:47 AM
+3 Boost
Badgewhore - You raise some very valid points, and I do appreciate your perspective.

Do you remember when it used to be said, that what was good for GM was good the US. That may not apply as strongly today as it did in times past, but there still is an element of truth to that statement.

GM used to be the largest US employer, now that role is filled by Wal-Mart. Consider the quality of jobs between GM versus Wal-Mart (and before all of you jump on me for criticizing Wal-Mart, let me state my first job was at Wal-Mart so there is a special place in my heart for them). The job market in the US has shifted from manufacturing to service, this transition has had a negative impact on all of us.

While my plan won't save the US overnight, it is a good first effort. I think if we all spent a little more time consuming items that were made here by our friends and neighbors, a statement would be sent throughout the world the US still is the greatest country ever.

-00J


91z4me91z4me - 11/8/2008 9:39:16 PM
+1 Boost
J,

You have actually just used a common misquote. This is what was actually said sourced from wikipedia:

At one point GM had become the largest corporation registered in the United States, in terms of its revenues as a percent of GDP. In 1953, Charles Erwin Wilson, then GM president, was named by Eisenhower as Secretary of Defense. When he was asked during the hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee if as secretary of defense he could make a decision adverse to the interests of General Motors, Wilson answered affirmatively but added that he could not conceive of such a situation "because for years I thought what was good for the country was good for General Motors and vice versa". Later this statement was often misquoted, suggesting that Wilson had said simply, "What's good for General Motors is good for the country."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_General_Motors


ualluall - 11/8/2008 6:09:45 AM
+2 Boost
Agent00j, you probably don't know, but your economy and your wealth is based on a free market. Only the best have a chance to stay alive; thats called competition. This is a normal process in a free market.


Agent00JAgent00J - 11/8/2008 8:01:27 AM
+1 Boost
Uall - I understand how the economy and wealth work. I also know that with Congress essentially printing money to bailout, what I have is worth a lot less thant what it was.

Since the likelihood of me moving out of this country is ZERO, the prospect of investing back in our country seems to be the next best alternative to simply throwing in the towel and waiting for a handout of my own.

-00J


ualluall - 11/8/2008 6:23:33 AM
+4 Boost
By the way: Ford Germany (There is a plant in Cologne)has alway done pretty good and they are well excepted. They have some decent models here, why don't they bring some models to the USA. They are actually able to compete with VW.


91z4me91z4me - 11/8/2008 9:41:48 PM
+1 Boost
Ford is bringing the Fiesta and Transit to the states by 2010. The factories are being retooled as we speak. By 2012 all Ford US models (save perhaps the F150, fullsize SUVs, and some crossovers) will be Global models.


ualluall - 11/8/2008 6:51:30 AM
+2 Boost
I meant to write accepted. English is not my mother tongue ;)


0to600to60 - 11/8/2008 9:27:39 AM
+5 Boost
Can we vote to ban this nut now?


DieselRulesDieselRules - 11/11/2008 1:43:19 AM
+1 Boost
I'm Canadian, and I was in the UAW many years ago. Back then, we made top dollar. Nowadays, Buzz Hargrave (the leader of the UAW in Canada) practically dictates to the provincial gov't of Ontario (where all your police cars come from: Crown Vics from Ford of Oakville, most of North America's minivans from Chrysler, and the GM plant in Oshawa, where the hybrid Tahoe will be built, and the Camaro production was planned at one time).
The UAW is still strong in Canada, and I believe that wages are still high.
And they're much lower here than in Germany, yet VW is the 2nd most profitable auto-maker behind Toyota.

Its just not that simple!


schinboneschinbone - 11/8/2008 9:13:06 AM
+2 Boost
bestofallcad,
I do not disagree with all you said, you made some valid points but you are off the mark talking about with the UAW. Im not UAW but they are not breaking them, maybe not helping them, but its the years of poorly designed and executed vehicles that lead to the start of this. I will not argue about work rules that need to be changed and things of that nature but that being said, you have idiots such as Wagner and Lutz approving cars i.e. G8, although very good, are market irrelevant. I forget how much but they loose money on each of them. These two deserve as much of the blame as the UAW does. Putting anything on the burner in front of the Cruze for this country is just poor common sense, let alone the iffy Volt. They need the Volt, but the Cruze is real, mostly ready and needs to be in this country like yesterday. It may not be a world beater but anything is an improvement over the Cobalt. Point is, the top brass seem to have no damn idea what the priorities are. Sorry volt is great for the future, but to push back the Cruze for it, is the epitome of ignorance. They should be lobbying the hell out of congress and Obama and his camp again to try and get them to ok the saftey standards moratorium. The perfect storm that has befallen them was not of their doing but if they built a competitive product and had a good product mix it would certainly be hurting less. Hopefully the board and share holders take a machete and cut the strings of those two dolts golden parachutes.


mercuryguymercuryguy - 11/8/2008 10:00:09 AM
+5 Boost
Win Win Rescue:
The US Government needs to re-enact the interest tax-deductions for auto-loans. Additionally the government needs to allow people to deduct the cost of their new American car purchase from Federal Income Tax, similar to the tax breaks business owners get for their cars. Depreciation of the auto every year would also help.

Everyone wins in this model, Detroit, Working People, everybody.

Japan has government healthcare for all. America simply cannot compete with such a model. The US Government needs to put national healthcare in place to relive the healthcare burden to the US Auto industry.

Pension cost are killing Detroit as well, so the US government should instead Tipple the allowable limit for IRA contributions so people can fund their own retirements to supplement Social Security. Adjustments for inflation to Social Security will also need to be done.

Bailouts won’t work. Yes it worked for Chrysler in 1980, but we didn’t have a Healthcare, Energy, Bankruptcy, Mortgage and Trade crisis at that time. The only elements that were similar was the high unemployment coupled with an energy crisis, but people were in their homes and solvent. Things are far different today.

I know people don't want to believe that America produces goods anymore, but the US Steel and Glass industries will topple next if the Autos go. We need to start building monorail systems as a supplemental transportation system now, if we plan to phase out autoworkers in the future.

We can't just be a nation that sells services, there are only so many insurance policies you can write. If we continue down the cheap path eventually we will have to bring in Chinese Labor to replace our teachers and road repair people.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/8/2008 5:09:59 PM
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And just who do you think will be paying for Nationalized healthcare? Corporations like GM! Only far less efficiently as the money GM pays will go through the bureaucracy filter of the federal gov't on it's way to the end consumer, thus costing 20-40% more than it should.

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it’s free!?- P.J. O’Rourke


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 12:07:58 AM
+1 Boost
1995e34, not to be disparaging, but it's hard to take your posts seriously. The fact is, government involvement in health care increases the prices, decreases innovation, and diminishes accessibility. Just look at inefficiency of Medicare and Medicaid.

I challenge you to show me one example of something the gov't does more efficiently than the private sector. Education? No. Transportation such as Amtrak? No. Helping the poor? No. Bureaucratic red tape and costs burn up 70 cents for every dollar intended for the poor and needy. Contrast this with organizations like the United Way and the Salvation Army, where over 85 percent of the donated dollar gets down to the intended beneficiaries.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 6:19:45 PM
+1 Boost
1995e34,

Yours is a fallacious argument. You're begging the question when you falsely suggest I oppose any gov't involvement. Of course we should pay taxes for the construction of infrastructure, national defense, etc. No where did I ever suggest otherwise. We can't have a constructive debate if you insist on being intellectually dishonest in your arguments.

Now back to the actual debate regarding nationalized healthcare. Consider Claude Castonguay, the father of the Quebec universal health-care system, later adopted by the whole of Canada. Castonguay recently pronounced his country's system a failure, and now urges American-style competition and pushes for a greater role by the private sector. Why? Because it's highly inefficient (not a surprise given the inefficiency of every gov't endeavor) and delivers inferior care. Germany, the United Kingdom and even Canada are increasingly turning to the private sector in order to relieve the financial burden on government and solve serious delivery problems, most notably “rationing by queue,” the prolonged wait times for many services, including cancer treatment and cardiac surgery. Compared to the private sector, government programs are inefficient and the higher costs have to be paid for with higher taxes or spending cuts in other areas such as defense, education, or even medical research and development.

Your link to expenditures of other nations is overly simplistic, useless and cannot be extrapolated to predict healthcare expenditures and expected results here for the same reasons that education expenses per student and their corresponding results can't exported either. For example, many countries spend far less per pupil than the US and yet achieve better results. Certainly it isn't as simple as importing their education system to achieve the same results. There are many other factors to consider.

But there's no need to ponder the theoretical. There are plenty of case studies to analyze. Socialism, including universal healthcare, has already been implemented in many countries, and resulted in less competitive economies, higher unemployment and generally poor results.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/8/2008 5:15:05 PM
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A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.?- George Bernard Shaw

And Paul just voted Barack Obama into office. Barack Obama is the equivalent of the country taking out a zero down ARM. Big promises that cost nothing now (for "Paul" that is) but will absolutely screw us over several years down the road. These people never learn.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/8/2008 11:31:13 PM
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Don't be silly. Paul (the 40% that don't pay income tax) has no job if the businesses Barack wants to raise taxes on decide to relocate overseas. And the businesses that do stay will pass the additional costs onto consumers in the form of higher prices. C'mon people, this is econ 101.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 5:50:04 PM
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I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.?-Winston Churchill

But what does Churchill know. 1995e34 is much smarter than Churchill, JFK and Reagan, all of whom understood that lower taxes equate to increased investment and thus higher revenue.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 8:00:25 PM
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Smarter than Reagan? And that's why he served two terms as President while you're sitting in your mother's basement listening to Insane Clown Posse. What you mouth breathers give up in intelligent, substantive debate you certainly make up in pure amusement. Too funny.


schinboneschinbone - 11/8/2008 10:16:59 AM
+2 Boost
Actually Mercuryguy, I have been saying the same thing about a non traditional (read not Amtrack) high speed rail system. I dont know if it would work, but Ive been saying it. Most certainly we could use it.


mercuryguymercuryguy - 11/8/2008 10:24:00 AM
+4 Boost
I have saved a ton of money over the years buying new Mercury Grand Marquis, as it is a lot of car for the money, These cars have held up extremely well for me, they give you well over 100,000 Miles, and are very quite and comfortable on the interstate. My Ford Aerostar gave me 250,000 miles with only simple maintenance.

Maybee these cars don't have the precision of a Lexus, but who cares, when driving rough potholed roads and severe winter driving, I just need something cheap, dependable and heavy duty. My new car is paid for, I'm solvent, and have savings in the bank, not many Americans can say that! Ford saves me a ton of money.

I walked into a Toyota Dealer in July of 2008, they told me I had to pay sticker because of the Gas Crisis, I walked out and never looked back. Ford gave me a Ton of incentives to help my budget, I like that!


wooodwoood - 11/8/2008 10:27:19 AM
+2 Boost
Back to discussing American cars, I don't mind buying them to help them survive, as long as the big 3 do their share by doing what needs to be done and not just rely on others to help them survive. There must be a clear cut plan on how to be profitable again and address all major issues like UAW, quality, tax cuts, etc. The government has to step in and sort of dictate rules on sensitive issues like labor and wages and benefits that will favor the companies survival as a whole. Cut executive privilege and salaries, spend on technology and environment concerns, and many other stuff. Labor laws governing Foreign companies producing cars in the US must be the same with the Big 3.




mercuryguymercuryguy - 11/8/2008 11:23:46 AM
+1 Boost
I like the big 3, I'm just mad at them because they lobbied against trains, and tore up the tracks in many cities.

I don't like it when Corporate America says:

"You want to be mobile? You can only do so by buying more of our cars"

The State says:

"You want to be Mobile? " You can only do so by coughing up $3,000- 5,000 in sales tax."
"You can only do so by paying gasoline Tax, and an arbitrary registration Fee, and Inspection Fee"

Insurance companies saying "You can only do so by paying us as well"

If you dont want to pay us, then your only other alternative is to ride a bus through a poverty stricken neighborhood where you will be mugged or get caught in the crossfire of drive-by shootings.



t_sotellot_sotello - 11/8/2008 2:00:17 PM
+5 Boost
LETS JUST GET BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THIS ARTICLE. WE ALL JUST NEED TO BUY AN AMERICAN CAR THE NEXT TIME WE BUY A CAR. AND BEFORE ANYONE JUDGES A NEW CAR FROM GM CHRYSLER OR FORD, GO AND CHECK ONE OUT YOURSELF AND TEST DRIVE IT AT THE VERY LEAST. AND BE HONEST. DONT BE THE PERSON WHO CAN AFFORD A BMW 550I AND GOES AND TEST DRIVES A CHEVY AVEO. CHECK OUT A CAR THAT IS COMPARABLE TO A CAR YOU WOULD BUY THAT IS FOREIGN.
THANK YOU.


olscuulolscuul - 11/8/2008 10:04:09 PM
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the most foreign vehicle i own is a ford fusion(built in mexico). the others were built in dearborn, kansas city and st louis.
my mother is a german native, but she will only buy a usa domestic vehicle. my dad only bought domestics. i still remember the day he showed me the tbird v8 in his 56 fairlane. i guess it's just a family tradition passed onto me.
my sister won't ever buy a domestic.


jt716jt716 - 11/8/2008 2:07:45 PM
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I bought an american car 3 years ago which is a Ford Fusion. The first one ever on St. Maarten and right now the car has given me absolutely no problems. The dealer does some great service but is a bit pricey. I would buy another Ford maybe GM but never a Chrysler.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/8/2008 5:28:55 PM
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You're confusing correlation for causation. Sure Republicans were in power for 6 years (2000-2006), but who was running Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—the snowball that got this avalanche going? Democrats! People like Franklin Raines and Obama's new chief of staff Rahm Emmaneul who gave Obama more campaign contributions than any other politician while they were running Fannie/Freddie. Of course, there were countless other dems like Barney Frank and Maxine Waters that blocked republican attempts to regulate Fannie/Freddie and insisted that nothing were no problems on the horizon. In fact, Bush tried 17 times to regulate these democrat controlled organizations. Don't take my word for it. Watch the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/8/2008 8:14:01 PM
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The anonymous deboost is the refuge of the weak of mind and argument. Why not step up and explain where you think I'm wrong?


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 12:41:04 AM
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1995e34,

"only 25%" can be directly attributed to the democrats Community Reinvestment Act?! That 25% accounts for billions and billions of dollars in defaulted loans. And the democrats controlling Fannie/Freddie essentially allowed for the creation of the markets that traded these securities. As Bloomberg says, "Take away Fannie and Freddie, or regulate them more wisely (as the republicans tried to do), and it's hard to imagine how these highly liquid markets would ever have emerged. This whole mess would never have happened." Again, show me which facts I have wrong.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0&refer=columnist_hassett



fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 8:08:08 PM
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There it is. The last ditch fallacious argument of a man who knows he' lost. Right up there with the popular "Well everyone is entitled to their opinion" argument.

I've never said Republicans haven't made any mistakes. Bush has increased spending far too much and failed to take decisive action to properly deal with illegal immigration and school choice, among other things. But that doesn't mean you can conveniently saddle him with the financial crisis just because he was in office. As I pointed out earlier, it's indisputable that democrats started and perpetuated that avalanche and blocked numerous republican efforts to deal with it.


BimmerFanBimmerFan - 11/8/2008 4:54:52 PM
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I have actually thought of going to look @ a Cadillac CTS. The more I see them, the more I think that they are pretty hot. The economy has definitely made me rethink my purchases and question where my money is really going. While I prefer European brands, I think I will @ least give an American brand a chance with my next car purchase. I want to see that Cadillac CTS-V!


THESCOOTERTHESCOOTER - 11/8/2008 6:55:43 PM
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Great post to start with! I must say I have to agree with the general sentiment that the time is now to buy American. Looking objectively at the quality reports it is those publications that have become enamored with themselves and their opinions about who is actually producing the highest quality vehicles. Yes, Honda makes great vehicles with good QRD, but the styling has become atrocious. Take a gander at the Pilot, that thing would be crucified if produced by any of the Big 3. Toyota, akin to the Empire from Star Wars, has struggled with their new vehicles, plants and vehicle quality which is a mathematical certainty when you increase the number of vehicles sold. How long can Toyota survive on a legacy reputation of quality. The Camry & Tundra are VERY average in terms of quality. Now take a look at some of the things the Big 3 are doing and doing well, like new and innovative styling and becoming competitive with quality. They certainly have an image barrier to overcome, but is it really insurmountable? I have a Porsche purchased new in '05 that has had major challenges including a new fuel pump at 3k miles. But I am willing to live with this from that cool a vehicle. I have also purchased 3 brand new Fords and still have the '01 Escape w/ 118k miles on it. I drive it everyday and have replaced the brakes once. None of these vehicles gave me headaches and the 1999 Contour SVT is a vehicle that I wish I still owned. Domestic manufacturers can do it people! My next vehicle will be a Chevy Tahoe or Yukon, not to replace the Escape which I will keep, but to add to my vehicle fleet. Take a look, Tahoe vs. Armada vs. Sequoia? No contest. GM has this segment nailed.


91z4me91z4me - 11/8/2008 9:44:54 PM
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fuelfool,

Would you rather funnel money through the bureaucracy of the Gov or to make profits for some health insurance company?


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 12:24:08 AM
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91z4me, Of course it's better that "some health insurance company" make profits than waste tax dollars through gov't inefficiency. Since when is it a sin to make profit? Without the motivation of profit, why would anyone ever start a business or innovate? And don't forget, the profits that a company makes are used to pay taxes, create additional jobs and attract investment. On the other hand, waste in the form of gov't bureaucracy accomplishes nothing productive. This is basic economics. It's disheartening to find so many people with so little understanding of how the economy works. I recommend reading one of Thomas Sowell's books for starters.




EL34EL34 - 11/8/2008 10:07:22 PM
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Move the big 3 to Mexico and if any of the Union workers want to relocate they can go.

Case closed :-/


olscuulolscuul - 11/8/2008 10:17:15 PM
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it's easy to forget the after 9-11, the country just shut down. gm came out with their 'get america rolling' campaign which i think injected some 'hope' back into OUR country. does that theme sound familiar?
now that they are in trouble, it's time for OUR country to reach out to help them out.


EL34EL34 - 11/8/2008 11:47:03 PM
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Let me tell you waht's gonna happen with Obama boys tax plan.

The owner of my company employees about 1,000 real estate agents and the owner is going to get slammed with Obama's tax plan. The owner will charage the agents a higher office fee for each transaction to get the money back.

So the money the little guy gets from Obama boys tax the rich plan will turn around and bite the little guy on the butt.

The price of food will go up because the tax the rich Obama plan will be passed onto the consumer.

If Obama wants to tax Ford more for building cars in Mexico he will help destroy Ford.

Obama, the change is coming :-D


delandelan - 11/9/2008 1:23:18 AM
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Obama boy?? I'm not sure I like your tone. And I may be a little sensitive since that I am ethnically a minority in this country. But from taking American History, calling African Americans "boy" is belittling to say the least. I have always thought your comments on this forum were asinine meaningless noise. But now I just downright don't respect you!


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 3:01:56 AM
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bimmerfan25,

You accuse others of being "bigots" and "racists", but then turn around and use a bigoted term like "redneck". Your blatant hypocrisy reveals you to be the "empty headed loser" you describe.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 3:09:48 AM
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Damiko,

Yes, Bush's tax plan did work to some degree. Lowering the tax burden on all Americans helped pull the country out of the recession that Bush inherited from Clinton—a recession that was only exacerbated by the 9/11 terrorist attacks. In addition to spurring the economy and increasing living standards, lowering taxes has also proven to increase tax revenue time and time again throughout history. http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/wm327.cfm


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 3:40:32 AM
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bimmerfan25,

Clearly you have a problem processing information. My comment wasn't just referring to you using the words "bigot" and "racist". It was accusing people of being those things while you use bigoted terms like "redneck" to describe someone else. That makes you both a hypocrite and a bigot.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 3:57:53 AM
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bimmerfan25,

I'll repeat it again. Lowering taxes has been proven to increase tax revenue. Increased revenue means less borrowing, not more. What part of increased revenue don't you understand? Read the link this time. C'mon bimmerfan25, you got to pay closer attention. http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/wm327.cfm

And if you think Bush and the democratic congress spent too much, you're right. But it's nothing compared to what Obama is going to spend.


BimmerFanBimmerFan - 11/9/2008 8:23:12 AM
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Moce to Canada if you dont like it, EL34. LOL! Or better yet, Iraq, since most of our tax dollars have been sent there during the Bush Regime instead of our own country.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 6:26:53 PM
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Damicko,

Again, you are wrong. The "rich" pay a higher proportion of the tax burden under Bush than they did under Clinton. As a percentage, the middle-class pays carries a smaller burden and millions of low-income earners no longer pay any income tax at all under Bush.

http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/bg2001.cfm



fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 3:36:18 AM
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bimmerfan25,

We all support the idea of eliminating our dependence on foreign oil. But until Obama figures out a way to harness the power of rainbows, we should be be doing everything we can to increase domestic energy production. That includes domestic drilling, natural gas, solar, wind, tidal, nuclear and new energy development.
And although the gov't is already investing millions of dollars into battery development, electric cars aren't necessarily the panacea you make them out to be, though they are a positive step.
Do you know where electricity comes from bimmerfan25? No, not from the outlet in your house. It comes, in large part from burning coal and oil. Obama has already expressed his willingness to bankrupt the coal industry and said "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/02/obama-ill-make-energy-prices-skyrocket/

My point is that the energy problem is a vital issue requiring more than just electric cars, but rather an all of the above approach to energy production.

I know you put a lot of faith in gov't "bimmerfan25", but remember the words of Thomas Jefferson. "?A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.?"


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 4:04:01 AM
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Here's something to be hopeful about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/miniature-nuclear-reactors-los-alamos


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 5:36:36 PM
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The level of ignorance between bimmerfan25 and 1995e34 is astounding. Are you two in a competition to see who can make the most idiotic comment?

Within a year of Obama's presidency, energy prices and real unemployment WILL have increased. Feel free to say "I told you so" if I'm wrong, so long as you're prepared to eat crow when I'm correct. But in the meantime, please explain to me how that helps the middle-class.

Secondly, we can't just rely on solar and wind power as you so naively suggest. As many governments in Europe are already discovering, it's technologically and economically unfeasible to implement wind and solar power on a large enough scale to eliminate the need for oil/coal/nuclear. Which isn't to say that we shouldn't use as much green power as possible, only that we need to be realistic about what it can and can't accomplish.

It's irresponsible not to increase domestic oil production and nuclear capacity while we're waiting for as yet unavailable technology to come online. All it takes is an all too likely rise in hostility between a belligerent Iran and Israel for oil supplies to be disrupted and economies crippled, in which case willfully ignorant people like you should be held responsible for supporting such short-sighted positions. And spare me all your nonsense about oil and shrinking glaciers, because the glaciers are actually growing and global temperatures are cooling. You probably aren't even aware of that though, because it's been conveniently ignored by opportunistic politicians due to its incongruence with their agenda.

Lastly, I encourage you to educate yourself with sources other than MTV News and People Magazine. You'll be a better person for it.


fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 7:54:15 PM
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bimmer25,

"ther is not a single group of scientists in the world that thinks man made global warming is not real."

Oh really? You see, when you make patently false statements such as the above you jettison whatever shred of credibility you had left after "Sailor" destroyed your naive, misinformed and irresponsible arguments regarding your green energy or bust approach to energy production. In fact, many of the scientists cited by the IPCC in support of the AGW theory demanded their names be taken off that list.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64734

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=bee2f7de-cb35-4f3d-9652-48c97f8ae623



fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 7:54:27 PM
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bimmer25,

"ther is not a single group of scientists in the world that thinks man made global warming is not real."

Oh really? You see, when you make patently false statements such as the above you jettison whatever shred of credibility you had left after "Sailor" destroyed your naive, misinformed and irresponsible arguments regarding your green energy or bust approach to energy production. In fact, many of the scientists cited by the IPCC in support of the AGW theory demanded their names be taken off that list.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64734

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=bee2f7de-cb35-4f3d-9652-48c97f8ae623



fuelfoolfuelfool - 11/9/2008 8:28:21 PM
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bimmerfan25,

Your regressions to childish personal insults say less about me and more about your inability to put forth a coherent, factual argument. Nevertheless, I guarantee you wouldn't be brave enough to personally insult me without the protection of internet anonymity to hide behind.


BossBoss - 11/9/2008 5:10:00 AM
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firstly
I would say that the best thing that this country can do know is install solar panels on all single family homes and give them an electric car that has been built in the USA at a steep discount and that way we will reduce imports of oil and create jobs with service contractors to repair those solar panels.
secondly
higher the taxes on everything imported by an additional 30% for a ten year period so that we may rebuild or factories and keep these new factories on their toes knowing that in 10 years if they haven't made people happy they will be purchasing foreign items very soon or they wont wait and just pay the higher price now
thirdly
tax the hell out of companies that send out our jobs to other countries.i dont understand the logic behind this at all.where are americans gonna get the money to buy these things that these american companies are selling if their are'nt any jobs duh
fourtly
i read somewhere that the things we recycle get put on a boat and shipped to china recycled and shipped back.and because of this there are chinese men that are millionaires because of this.please someone tell me how is this helping the environment or our economy.
this needs to stop now let some fellow american get rich and employe americans so they can feed thier families and boost the economy all at the same time.

finally my final thoughts
what we need to do is become a country that is self dependent once again and if need be for the gov't to reinvest in its industries so that we have the best products in the world period and never let a country copy or imitate our hard work and if they do even for their own market we should ban all products from that country.overnight we will be a super power once again but with the restoration of our status in the world we should ad new laws in place so that when an elected officalls ratings drops below 50% they should be removed from their position because i dont know how to impeach someone but do know how to vote or answer yes or no on a survey this will keep everybody in check mate 99% of the time


Agent00JAgent00J - 11/9/2008 8:49:29 AM
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Just food for thought whether you are a Republican or a Democrat...

545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese –

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices – 545 human beings out of the 300 million – are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then


DieselRulesDieselRules - 11/11/2008 1:58:53 AM
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What a can of worms you opened, Agent00J!

Its too bad that none of these ideas could really save Detroit. The "big 3" (a big joke ... now that trucks aren't selling, if you look at car sales the big 3 are Toyota, VW, and then GM ... Chrysler isn't even in the big 10 globally) suckled at the SUV teat for too long.
Ignoring rising gas prices, they didn't have the right products for the market.
And now that the market is gone, anything will be too little too late.
Its sad, but its the end of an era.


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