WEB RAGE FRIDAY-Tell The World What's On Your Mind-GOOD or BAD!

Ok,

So I'll kick this off with the first rant.

WHEN are the executives of these large auto companies going to FINALLY admit THEY were a part of the failure and that they won't be taking bonuses, salary, stock and whatever until it's fixed!

What a bunch of overrated WEASELS!

001

i agree

I hate how people aren't buying cars because they THINK they can't get financing. YOU CAN! At good rates too! Stop listening to GMAC, they have an agenda.

this is similar to what i was saying to on oo9's lame topic about the president fixing the domestic auto industry. im glad you agree with my point oo1

They all need to be fired from the top-down.
They are all accountable for their poor management and the downfall of thier company.
The Free Lunch Program Is Over!

You are right on the Money and Managment.
They are all accountable.
The Free Lunch Program Is Over!
No more Bail Outs!

Right on!
They fail, poor people pay the price? How fair is that????

I'm so sick and tired of reading thread after thread, and post after post in here about how the American auto industry has failed in this way or that, when these very dips posting this crap are the same ones who never/seldom have a positive thing to post regarding American products one way or another.... No Matter How Competitive or Good Those Products Might Be.

All this Euro/Nippo-Fan-Boi BS has done nothing but inculcated into readers minds that everything American is inherantly inferior.

Yes, the American auto industry coud be more competitive in some ways, but they still offer much that is to be desried, and it's high time it was recognized.

+ 10 ...if I could ...I'd also like to add how 'BS**T' everyone is if they think that all 3 automakers should be allowed to fail. Yes, there are management problems and the Unions are about as greedy as greedy can get. But why should the American economy and the millions of hard working individuals who are basically caught in the middle suffer for their failures!! There are those that are doing there best to turn things around. There are also many hard working individuals who only want do their best and only want a good paycheck and benefits like the rest of us in America. Somehow the Union has become the face of the American auto worker and that is an unfair label. If you had someone at your job who was fighting to get you %10 raises every year and basically strong arming management for free healthcare on your behalf, you wouldn't want to throw this person out on their a$$ because your the one benefiting. My take is help the big 3 to survive but toss out the Management and Unions on their collective a$$es because they bare 99% of the responsibility for what wrong with the American auto industry.

I'll play devils advocate here (how appropriate).

I was a Detroit customer through out the 80's and 90's and I have to say the edge they may have had then is long gone. There are only a paltry few models that Detroit makes that come close to their competition. I'm not talking about the very few standouts like the ZR-1, CTS-V, or even the Malibu. I am talking about bread an butter cars in general.

I travel quite a bit and when choosing a rental car I try to sample a bit of everyone's wares. These are generally good examples of what people on the street buy not just the top of the line models. I have to say I am horrified on many occasions at the lack of competence I see.

From the quality of the materials to the level of competence the car has in everyday driving we the Detroit 3 are still lagging way behind.

I'll give you just the latest example of my trip to Colorado this week.

I rented a Dodge Journey EXT. The SUV had a whopping 1500 miles on it when I got it and still had the paper plates. I did like the taught styling, much better job than other Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep derivatives.

The engine (V6) was way under powered though it was silky smooth. A Honda Pilot would eat this cars lunch getting on the highway. The transmission could never figure out what gear to stay in on the hills of Colorado Springs, making around town driving a constant symphony of rpm changes as the transmission selected different gears. The four wheels discs were adequate in general, but really faded coming back down from Pike’s Peak. However fast slow downs from 90 to 65MPH seemed to be no problem. Gas mileage was a surprising 21 MPG with miles and miles of highways driving over 85 MPH.

Right window never worked stuck in the up position. Better stuck up than down I guess, with 30 degree nights. The interior overall looked fine for right now, but the cheap plastic finishes would not wear well after 3 years of use. You could see this in the first month of ownership.

Loved the handy storage below the seat cushion and the refrigerated storage area for drinks was nice too, just wish it wasn't dependent on the AC to work. As thoughtful as these items were I wouldn’t buy a car based on these options. The handy little 110 Volt AC plug is a great idea if it actually worked in the car (second car I have had with this option, and neither worked). Sadly these features were the only thing that stood out on the whole car.

Overall the car was merely ok, but the Japanese have much better features for the same price. This car would be a 3rd or 4th choice at best.

So there you have it. A new design but still far short of the competition.

So for now I haven't seen a reason to move back to a Detroit based product.

I'm sick of the American Big Three who lose money because of incompetancy. If you produce junk and reproduce it/rebadge it 4, 5, 6 times, your gonna get a bad rep. wish i coulda said that years ago.

I'm SOOOOO over the GEICO cavemen!

But I'm lovin' the Mercury girl!

001

Mutha-F that caveman!

And I find it quite humorous that Sarah Palin is getting MORE press than Obama since the election ended...How can that be?

001

she's awesome

palin for president!!!

Im tired of seeing Sarah Palin, and she is on drugs if she thinks she has any chance of being the next president, I would vote for Tina Fey before her.

Wow! Where to begin! So, I'll stick to the auto industry. Detroit did this to themselves. Along with the help of the UAW. But what NO ONE AT ANY LEVEL of the Govt is willing to really talk about is: that a HUGE part of the problem is the ridiculous and unregulated increase in the cost of healthcare! It is one of the core issues that Detroit (as well as almost every level of our society) is suffering from. Every month, millions have to be spent just to keep up. So, will any politician ever have the guts to say this in public? Yes, they give lip service talk about reforming the healthcare system. But so did Clinton 16 years ago and what did he accomplish? Nothing. Until we get healthcare truly under control and actually get the escalation in costs down, bailouts of any kind are simply a partial band aid at best. Then there is the management of the Auto companies themselves: Some of these guys should go to jail. Period. The writing has been on the walls for years that the SUV & Truck lifestyle that Detroit kept living off of and focusing on was going to blow up. Did they pay attention, NO! Why; because in America; our big companies tend to focus on Profit 1st, Product 2nd. In a way, this had to be done just to keep up with the escalating costs mentioned above. Meanwhile, the rest of the worlds car companies, the Koreans and Japanese in particular, (with a few exceptions) have continued the course, kept there eye on what mattered; product, and kept building more efficient, higher quality, customer focused vehicles. Many of these other guys have factories here and there employees are happy, without the union, and even with healthcare cost issues. So, what gives? Well this would require more time and writing space than I have here right now. Overall, the situation is disgraceful and it could have been avoided.

Most Comprehensive analysis of the Situation the USA Auto MAnufacturers are in.

Self Inflicted

This BS about innocent people caught up in the middle means nothing to me, if you were comfy with Benefits you know are way better than you should have, then you should prepare yourself for early unemployment as the gravy train can not go on forever.

So long as people {CEO's or Line Workers} place themselves first and company second, the result will always be an Inneficient and Bankrupt Business.

So please enough of this Emotional BS on Innocent People in the Middle

Let them go to the wall, When the dust settles, others will buy up the scraps and set up (Hopefully) more profitable Auto Companies.

I think the people "caught in the middle" are the ones that run a restaurant near the factory, or a store or anybody who relied on the money that having a auto factory brings to an area. Those people have little to do with the auto unions and even less to do with the management of the companies. Yet they will be seriously affected as well.

We're encouraging both good and bad rage...I can't make personal decisions for people...What is this? East Berlin?

This world needs more talking and global bonding and less fighting.

Just ask the SpyGirls, I'm a LOVER, not a FIGHTER ;)

001

I'm tired of waiting for Agent Spygirl to reappear! It's been a century since we last seen of her! I'm tired of holding my breathe. I'm about to pass out!

I hate people hugging the left lane, it's a passing lane!!

Aarrggghhhh.....

Especially NY driver in Jersey or worse, PA drivers in NJ. Basically, because the whole state of PA has only two lanes, they are not even conscious of the passing lane!

PA Drivers Suck, But 933Turbo, The PA Turnpike (between Rt.1 & 476) is PERFECT to open up a car, there are afew speed traps, but for the most part, WIDE OPEN!!!

I get annoyed when people get on an on ramp and you're merging on the interstate and instead of merging they stop! It's a called a "merge" lane for a reason! :)

Yeah I love that stretch of PA TPK! I've opened up a 95 Elantra and 06 Explorer on that stretch. I've moved to lower DE and the PA people are moving down here! grrrr.

I'll took a second look at it, the title might have thrown us (we get several sales postings sent by ad agencies). I did approve it but it is one page back. But in general you see maybe 30% of what is submitted.

Thank you for the submission, I apologize for over looking it.

1UAW- Describe your bias concerns.. The couch is open

Longest...sentence...ever...!

Submit it to other media.

I'm tired of the left lane sitters on the highway.

The law and basic principle of keeping right except to pass isn't hard to comprehend or abide by. Are these people oblivious or do they have the self-righteous "I'm doing 60mph in a 55mph and that is fast enough for everybody" attitude going on?

It drives me nuts and makes the highways more dangerous by bottling up traffic and forcing other drivers to pass on the right.

ya probably my #2 driving pet peeve...#1 has got to be ppl having their high beams on w/o knowing it. it's amazing how many ppl do that. we need to make it harder to get a driver's license in this country. either that or somehow we gotta get thru to everybody that you have to be a cognizant, competent driver at all times...or i might as well realize that i just need to move to germany.

Budfrog, the highbeams are annoying and dangerous as well.

My #2 pet peeve would be people not using their turn signals. It isn't hard to push that little stalk on the left of the steering wheel up and down.

My #3 peeve would be women driving huge SUV's while talking on the phone (which is illegal here in CT).

Every few days, if not more often I pull up behind someone in the left lane, who notices I'm there and moves over (keep in mind the right lane had been clear the whole time, for hundreds of yards in each direction). Then immediately after I pass, they move right back into the left lane! WHY! Why do these people need to be in the left lane?! Do they just want to be in the way of the next person?

Oh and I truly despise people that don't use their turn signals. I hate it so much that if I see someone beginning to change lanes in front of of me and they aren't using their turn signal I will go out of my way to cut them off, blaring the horn as I pass.

Amen.

and Amen!

I would complain but it's hard. I am employed at a company that is doing well actually, job security is good for me at the moment. I make good salary. It only costs $24 to fill my tank from dead empty now that gas is down to $2.16. And I can still buy clothes and plan vacations for next year.

My only complaint would be my stock is down, but I'm 27 and have plenty of years left before that ends up being used. And by then the market will have surpassed the 20k mark, so I'm not worried.

Other than that, nope, no complaints. I get a raise next month and a promotion early next year to get an extra 10k a year in my pay. My gf is fantastic and we are happy together.

I try no to let the news bring me down although my big gripes are with Obama and his choices for staff and the fact that I agree with nothing that the man stands for. For me "Barack Obama is not my president."

TGIF

God bless you and people like you. We all need to whine less. I find myself in a similar situation as Whelan (substitute girlfriend with boyfriend). I realize I have it good, but people need to adjust their attitudes and think positively, be thankful for the good things they have.

Here's what really grinds my gears...each month at work they order a big sheet cake to celebrate the birthdays of the month. At least half the time, it's lemon. WHY????? WHY NOT CHOCOLATE? How can I be expected to work in such horrible conditions?

I've got half a mind to fill out a suggestion form and drop in the the box! Nah, I'd rather keep complaining.

Damn those lemon cake loving hippies! DAMN IT!

i agree, thats Bull!

i hate everybody that drives bmw's (except for myself) because they're jerks, audi as a company (too many interiors look the same, A4/S4, A5/S5, A6/S6/RS6, Q7), mercedes for building cars that look so damn good but handle like s**t, most american cars for the same reason as MB. Whew (wipes forhead)!

I am SO SICK of the Audi interior design. It's like they forgot what the word "variety" means, because every new car they have released since the A6 (aside from the TT and R8) have had the exact same interior design. I am scared for what will happen to the A8.

Also, the quality of plastics seems to have gone down. Which is funny because it's not like Audi and VW are losing money or anything. They're only getting more profitable... maybe that's why.

...my girlfriend is on her period & went out'a town this weekend to see her mom... & im horny as F*ck! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Think of a happy place, dude!

LOL @ Brembo.

Time to punch the munchkin.

Here's one none of you mentioned and almost all would agree with......

I hate AmazinBimmer's stupid daily onslaught of FB flare against anything not BMW

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how slanted it might be.

i wish i could boost you numerous times for that one.

LOL- I have to protect the good, the bad and the ugly.

ok, since BMW keeps poppin up, soccer moms piss me off now, they ALL got rid of the SUVs & now they all Drive BM-5-Series... those damn 5-Series are all over the Place!

Oh & ShoutOut the Pretty Blond i saw riding thru Princeton in a New GT-R... Jesus, i damn near crashed lookin @ both. (true story)

The 535xi wagon with a 6MT would actually be kind of a cool car (as far as wagons go) to cart around the kids. 300hp wagon with stick = a great alternative to a heavy and slower SUV.

...Not for Nothin.... but the guy in this pic (above) looks like Groundskeeper Willie...

I HATE that when i try to post an article that is relevant like, spy photos of a car or actual car industry news that enthusiast would be interested in never gets posted......009. Instead 009 is busy posting his AUDI/vw group propaganda. Iv tried to post articles on the new 6 series spy photos that have recently come out,or the new merc e class coupe, yet they never get posted, but an article that is 100% speculation on something about AUDI gets posted in a heart beat. I cant believe PlatoA4 one of the most biased people on the site is now an agent(009) that is ridiculous.Thats like making Amazingbimmer,or any of the tens of audi Fanboys like germanut,viso, vulcan,s4,chewy,......as an agent its crazy, we need an unbiased regulator of the site.

I'm sorry that there is an Audi fan as an Agent, but there's also Agent 00J (drives an M3 sedan) and 001 of course (BMW/Porsche fan). The site is not really Audi biased. They just cover Audi as well as BMW and Lexus.

no don't be sorry. The thing is that 009 decides whats posted the majority of the time. OOJ usually only posts on weekends and OO1 is posts alot sometimes then you don't see him for awhile. The thing is on average, and I have been taking notice, 009 posts around 3 audi articles a day either his own or other peoples. Its way more then any other car maker.

and yes i do agree bmw and audi get alot of threads, but 009 usually only posts good news about audi, and not BMW. For example BMW recently won the OKOGLOBE award for efficient dynamics..never posted, Brand new 6 series spy photos are out... never posted, but yet every review of the new A4 is somehow news worthy!?

Also only Audi motorsport garbage is posted on here, you never see articles about Honda's,Nissan's,Ferrari's,Toyota's,astons,mercs,
porsches,or Mazda's motorsport efforts.

"The site is not really Audi biased. They just cover Audi as well as BMW and Lexus."

Thats the thing it shouldnt just be these 3.

And S4 you are one of the fanboys you are just as bad as amazingbimmer, amazing only posted his opinion, and if someone responded he would reply, but you, if someone dosent like Audi, its a crime, theres no way audi can do no good.
And dont deny it...b/c you just did it. i posted a comment that had Audi in it, and of course who comes along S4 the Shepard of Audi,and claims what i said cant be right.

Actually you have a point. The only one releasing any information at all.

Toyota and the others are very much dead right now is Audi and VW.

Actually I did a post on the revised IS and everyone ridiculed it. In that case that was actual Lexus information and no one considered it news.

So I challenge you to post anything I may have missed and I will gladly approve it. If you want to change the content then you by all means have the power to do so.

So take advantage of it.

"And S4 you are one of the fanboys you are just as bad as amazingbimmer, amazing only posted his opinion, and if someone responded he would reply, but you, if someone dosent like Audi, its a crime, theres no way audi can do no good.
And dont deny it...b/c you just did it. i posted a comment that had Audi in it, and of course who comes along S4 the Shepard of Audi,and claims what i said cant be right."

Ah, really? Do you see me going to BMW threads and saying "omg pos shit what a crap car stupid idiots build them and only poor people buy them. haha watch your neighbors laugh at you when you pull up in your leased 328i."

No... because I love BMW. I can't wait for the new Z4 M, because this week I have realized it might be the perfect vert for me. I get more defensive when I talk about Audi because there are so many haters on this site. But whenever I say something positive about BMW, I'm boosted to +100000. I guess that balances it out--Audi is the most reported, but BMW is the most loved (by posters).

I don't care if someone doesn't like Audi, that's their decision. But if they say so for no good reason, or for a false reason, I get angry. The only person I was really frustrated with was amazinBimmer, and maybe one other fanboy who trolls every once in awhile.

I hate it when people automatically assume I have to sell a car at invoice just because the economy is going bad.

The fact that sales have slowed mean that I need to make as much of a profit as I can to survive. selling a car for $500 over invoice should not be so appauling for some folks

FBO

Keep the Change.

hey RaulT....dont sell them then....just stand around playin pocket pool.

GOOD-we have our freakin health, a roof over our heads and food to eat and access to the net so we can check out cars we cant afford

BAD-moms with one kid in a big SUV, dumb looking blutooth headsets, greasy peporoni, and chicks that appear to be hot who look the other direction when you come up to them on the freeway so you can't verify their hotness.

Just a couple of rants and raves here...

First off I am thrilled that 001 has kept me around for as long as he has.

Second - I miss MichaelTaylor. I hate the fact we had to ban him, but MT, if you are out there trolling, sign back up. This time keep it clean. I miss your constant Lexus babble.

Third - I respect the fact the 009 is so good at finding as much as he does. I have covered him a few times and I have tremendous respect for how hard he works to keep the news flowing on here.

Fourth - I hate the fact that while I am going to the LA Auto Show next week, I will miss the press days.

Fifth and finally, I am distressed that 001 isn't sending the AutoSpies.com corporate jet to fly me to California for the LA Auto Show. Agents aren't supposed to fly commercial!!!

Have a good weekend.

-00J

I HATE the fact that everyone blames traders for increasing their prices, while ignoring the fact that all RAW MATERIALS are much more expensive now!

I also hate stupid traffic over here! The idiots planned it for 10 years ahead, 20 years ago, and now it's unlivable!

Last thing I want to mention is, I want a Maserati GT asap!

I HATE that some people down here think that if a car is a toyota it must be great! OMG there so many better cars but all they buy are toyota and the dealer sucks balls and is fing $$$$ Also people who don't buy cars from here cuz to them its too expensive but end up going to the US buy the car and ship it down here with no warranty etc to only cost more. Also I hate the damn cement trucks and all other construction vehicles on the road.

i love web rage friday.

Seems like we're on to something here...LOVE passion and enthusiasm!!!!!

001

It's just refreshing not reading the usual Lexus vs. BMW drivel.

I love hating. LOL!

Just watching the Space Shuttle taking off...How about 37 MILLION Horsepower, 4900 Miles per Hour!!!!

Did I hear that right?

WooHoo!!!!!!

001

But we can't build cars people want!

The sad thing is we can do ANYTHING.

We just don't want to under the conventional wisdom because too many people at the top sold out the little guy for BIG BUCKS.

And the little guy LET it happen.

Equal blame all the way around.

001

2015 is around the corner and we're missing a lot of stuff featured on Back to the Future Part II!!!!! Where's my hydrator, power laces, and hover conversion?

I wish Mercedes would can John Boy Walton as the voice of their commercials...LAME!!!!

001

I hate when you go to a dealership to check out a car, and you know A LOT MORE about the car than the guy selling it!
Also when you ask a question about a certain feature on the car the guy says "oh yeah this model has that" when you know damn well it doesn't!

Wheres my cookie?