Lexus to build high-performance GS F! LS F also considered

What is the source for that sales claim? BMW and Mercedes publically release only overall 3-Series and C-Class sales. I have yet to see it broken down by model (C300, C350, C63 for example).

Since when is owning a Lexus being a badgewhore? Everyone hates them here.

It said it outsold the M3 sedan, not the M3 overall.

HSCenterconsole, read the article.

zorbreeze, I did read the article. I would like to know where Hirokazu Koga is getting his sales data from when Merc and BMW just release overall numbers. Just because he says the IS-F sedan outsells the M3 doesn't make it true.

Hey Chuck is a F430 a performance car??? Just checking what your description of a performance car is? J_ ck _ ss.

"Only the M3 and G37 are the real kings here in this class."

LOL why do you keep mentioning the G37 so randomly? You have one, big deal!

" The BMW 335i has a very hard time against it, automatic or manual."

O_o Yes, that's why the 335i won nearly every comparison.

I think we've discovered the replacement for Michael "Troll" Taylor. Anyone agree?

Can't believe this!

If it is true then blogs a little more respect is required for the IS-F keeping in mind this is their first attempt

who cares???

good news. GS-F with over 500BHP. but will it be based on the current car or the upcoming probably in 2010 all new GS? In any case it's only a year away.

JUGNU

i imagine they'd probably base it off the current model since creating the upper echelon car of the model is usually meant for boosting sales at the end of the design cycle.

Isn't the next GS supposed to be a 2012 car?

Toyota Century V12 = LS-F (hopefully produce over 560HP)...

Apparently they dont need luck, they're out selling BMW and MB.

Wow, sailor boy, i sense some jealousy.
Shish, look at these BMW and audi boys crying over sales figures.
It's funny how they always show how the 3series outsells the IS and now sales figures are not improtant.

like it or not, Lexus's first attempt to fight M3 and C63 AMG has been pretty good. It's not the best in the class, but it certainly create something attention and widened their customer groups. NOW, NO ONE EXCEPT the lexus' first try would outsold M3 or C63, especially with the king GTR at that price range, but it is holding its ground very well. give Lexus 10 more years, the IS-F will be a formidable player.

afterall, when Toyota launched Lexus, Benz and Bmw had been marking cars for more than 70 years, yet lexus outsold both of them in U.S. year after year after year. conclusion: they must be doing something right.

besides, my limited experience told me Mercedes usually give you the most discount without much effort (somehow they always have some sort of marking supports going one, just last week they are offering 10k off the sticker for E class), while BMW, you know, no one buys them anyway. Lexus, however, doesn't give huge discounts.

carp.. typos.
i mean "no one expect".

autospies, please add the edit function.

who cares! i've only seen 2 IS-F's in the NY area. lot's of M3's and C63's!

Like someone mentioned, the article says the IS-F outsold the M3 sedan and C63 sedan, not the coupe+sedan

who cares! i've only seen 2 C63s's in the NY area. lot's of C300's and C350's!

who cares i haven't seen any IS-F, C63 nor M3 in alabama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do they even have cars in alabama?

Lexus is technically copying Jaguar (started the current crop of big performance sedans), Audi and Mercedes (S8 and S55 came soon after).

StarSearch, I think you just answered your own question. Maybe they want to build a "halo GS" to get the trickle down sales. There are people who lust over the M3's and C63's but 'settle' for 355's and c350's, etc...

"where is the incentive to buy a more powerful version of a subpar selling vehicle"
I wasn't aware that you chose the vehicle you buy by looking at sales numbers. If that's the case then we should all have camry's.

"An M3 only costs $10k more than a 335i"

Don't delude yourself, any M3 you'd find on a dealer lot would cost around $65K. At the LEAST it would be about $10K more, unless you're comparing a fully loaded 335i sedan to a bare-bones M3 sedan.

Sweet!

More cars for the ignorant badgewhores to bitch about!!

As always, if you don't like Lexus it's best not to throw in your silly comments in every remotely Lexus story.

It gives readers the impression that you feel threatened by the Lexus brand, and/or you are lacking confidence in your own make of choice (MB/BMW etc.)

this is hysterical.

the GS and LS are numb-handling plush luxo cruisers. performance is largely irrelevant to their aged buyers.

"enthusiast",

Please remind us all once more exactly how many times you've driven a Lexus recently?

i try to avoid driving them as i find them unresponsive and removed from the road. but i have been in a GS, RX and LS recently.

when was the last time you drove a BMW M or mercedes AMG?

"It would be smarter for Infiniti to release a performance G, M and Q"

Your comment is absolutely useless. Enlighten me a little, who exactly is stopping Infiniti from building these cars?

Answer don't mind enthusiast, he's just upset his audi is in the shop again and again and again and again....

chuck: you're right. infiniti makes great performing cars...so even more hardcore version to compete with M and AMG would make sense.

zorbreeze: thanks for your concern. but i haven't had any problems with any of my 3 BMWs...just lots of fun driving them. what do you drive?

Infiniti is never mentioned when Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW are in the picture. Infiniti sales are nowhere near as great as lexus, and Lexus is the best selling luxury brand in the U.S. I think the GS-F and LS-F is what Lexus needs to attract younger buyers.

ChuckG37, can you possibly say anything here, just one phrase without mentioning infiniti?

Is that even possible?

I dont have anything agaisnt infiniti but your childish fanboyism is beginning to be unbearable. You come accross like you are 17 years old. I doubt you own an new G37, but if you do, sounds like daddy got it for you.

Just relax with the infiniti bull dude.

At the end, most people look at three main upscale brand: Merc, BWM, and Lexus. I still haven't seen any infinitis in rap vidoes or even on most TV shows or movies. But I do see a lot of Lexus, BMW and Merc. Go figure!!!!

Yep, believe it when I see it still waiting for the LF-A. Those sales numbers I’m sure are just U.S. sales numbers.

Why does lexus insist on making cars that no one is asking for?

same reason why you keep responding to these threads...

GS is the original 4 door coupe. I think its a pretty hot car. They just made the GS3 an old mans car, compared to the older GS. They need to go back to the roots of the original GS1. That this was sick. In Japan it had the Supra engine, so it was literally a turbo booster away from like 800 horse power. And it handled pretty well too.

That was a sick car.

that just looks soo funny. its like an A8L doing doughnuts, its not bad, but it'll take a while before i'll stop laughing at seeing it

The Car in the picture is the LS460L, not the LS-F.

i never knew the big Toyota can move like that...WOW

i know the GS/LS-F will be an hit, look how good the IS-F turn out...

the ISF DID NOT outsell the M3.

it outsold the M3 sedan.

add M3 coupe and sedan and the M3 still outsold ISF (not to mention the M3 convertible).