Which GM Vehicle Models Do YOU Think Are Worth Saving?

I don't think the Pontiac G8 is all that bad...

Actually, highway MPG is a bit poor, but other than that, probably Pontiac's best looker. Then again, do we really need Pontiac at all?

Corvette.......

01 - Cadillac CTS
02 - Chevrolet Corvette
03 - Chevrolet Cruze
04 - Pontiac G8
05 - Chevrolet Traverse
06 - Chevrolet Volt
07 - Cadillac STS (successor)
08 - Chevrolet Truck Division (throughly revamped)
09 - Pontiac Solstice Coupe/Convertible (with a newly redesigned ragtop)
10 - Cadillac SRX (Smaller/Leaner/More Efficient)

Affirmative. But they need something to compete with The Ford Fusions, Altimas and Accords, The Cruze is not that bad but it seems more Entry level to me, The list is quite good but the question is, is it too much?!!!!

Correction...

I forgot the Chevrolet Malibu (with a more powerful/efficient base engine).

Yes, the Malibu is their best volume product.
But don't forget the Acadia ... it gets way better mileage than an 8-seater ever should. If they marketed it against mini-vans they'd eat Chrysler's lunch! (not that they actually have any lunch left ... its mostly BBQ'd roach & a pine-float)

Aveo....

I say Malibu, Tahoe Hybrid, Escalade Hybrid, CTS, Acadia, Enclave, Pickups, Traverse, Corvette

Everything else...clean sheet of paper

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Sorry, forgot Volt.

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Can't have the hybrid without the non-hybrid.

Hybrids / EV's are the future.. no one will disagree but they're HUGE loss makers right now.

Gotta sell the pickups, SUV's and (as of recently) mid-sized cars to make money to invest in all these future projects.

Buick:
Enclave

Cadillac:
CTS
Escalade (I don't like it but it sells)
New SRX

Chevrolet:
Corvette
Cruz
Traverse (make it more efficient)
Malibu (wouldn't have said THIS two years ago!)
Tahoe/Suburban (but rely less on their sales)
Silverado

GMC:
Not quite sure. It's a very redundant brand but also very popular. If I kept it:
Acadia
Yukon
Sierra

HUMMER:
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Pontiac:
G8
Vibe
Solstice (redesign for better dynamics and storage)

SAAB:
9-3
9-5 (REDESIGN NOW)
9-4X

Saturn:
Sky (X2 for Solstice's changes)
Aura (redesign along with the Insignia very soon)
VUE (shed some pounds off this one)
Outlook would be totally redundant, so I'm hesitant to keep it.

Sounds like a good list, when you say Hummer do you mean the H-1 and the H-3? I would get rid of the H-2. The H-3 need some help! I would get rid of there pickup trucks, Ford is too hard to compete with there.

Good list!

I would add the Pontiac G6. It just needs a new design direction, but the size and the concept it represents is good.

truckman, I'd get rid of Hummer entirely.

M53R, I'm not saying that these brands would only be able to have the cars I mentioned. I'd have all the cars I didn't mention completely scrapped--some of them would go away entirely and some of them would be re-named and redesigned from scratch.

That's an awesome list.
Just add the Impala ... its popular, a decent car, and would keep GM in the Police-car business.

truckman..

As a pragmatic domestic supporter... we need to realize the realities that are at hand.

GM - Drop hummer completely, absorb Chrysler and use Jeep to replace Hummer. Jeep has a massive following, even in the trendy, snooty toyota-honda communities across the country. Even the smaller Hummer H3, as a direct competitor to the Grand Cherokee, has a stigma of gas-guzzling poor quality (even though its very well built and has its own (yet smaller) following). The Grand Cherokee doesn't have this stigma... appealing to those who buy foreign SUV's like the Lexus RX or Toyota Highlander.

BTW, After a friend took me around in his 2009 Grand Cherokee with the new Hemi 5.7L, I'm SOLD!! Great interior, great exterior (although LED taillights would be cool!!) and the new HEMI is awesome.

CTS and CTS-V...worthy competitors to Euro offerings.

Corvette and full-sized trucks/SUV's. End of message.

Cars:
-Cobalt
-Malibu
-Corvette (it's an American icon)
-Camaro (they should START making this, rather. What has it been, 3 years?)

Trucks:
-Silverado

SUVs:
-Traverse (it just barely came out. In all honesty, I don't think they should even offer this, but it's not likely to be discontinued in the next year)
-Suburban
-Tahoe


The most important list is the cars they definitely need to discontinue. Atop that list is the HHR. It's uglier than an unshaven French woman's butt. They also need to quit making the Express. I don't think they sell enough vans to even bother making this. And the Avalanche needs to go. It's hardly a utility vehicle.

^That was just the Chevy list. I hit submit before I remembered the rest of the GM cars. They need to discontinue SAAB, HUMMER, Buick, and Saturn all together. SAABs aren't worth the extra $10,000 when you can get the same thing from Chevy or Pontiac. Does anyone even buy HUMMERs anymore? GM already has a luxury brand (Cadillac) so there's really no point to Buick. And Saturns are just a waste of space. They're literally Chevys with the Saturn logo.

Cadillac needs to stop making the Escalade EXT for the same reasons Chevy needs to stop making the Avalanche. Other than that, Cadillac has a decent lineup.

GMC needs to stop making the Canyon and the Savannah. They're both not necessary, especially when GM is in financial trouble.

Pontiac needs to quit the Torrent. Honestly, who would buy one of those?

Kut17, saying what you said about the HHR is an insult to unshaven French women's butts everywhere. Please take it back in the name of Sarkozy!! To call that car ugly is wrong, simply because it leaves "hideous" on the bench.

I don't mind the Escalade in hybrid. Remember that the Escalade was one of the main reasons for the comeback of Caddy.

"-Cobalt"

No you wouldn't, because it's being replaced by the far superior Cruz next year.

beetee, in my country there's a thing called freedom of speech. i'm not going to apologize.

s4-
it's cruzE, not cruz.

My GM Profile:

CHEVY:
Cruz
Volt
Malibu (keep the improvements coming)
Impala (keep it FWD and redesign)
Silverado(beautiful truck; make more fuel efficient)
Traverse (shed pounds; make more fuel efficient)
Suburban (Move to extended and wider Traverse platfm)
Corvette (just keep it coming)

PONTIAC:
G8 (improve fuel economy...awesome design)
G6 (smaller, RWD; improve interior quality)
Solstice

SATURN:(hybrids/clean diesels)
Aura (already beautiful; redesign via Insignia)
Astra (awesome car; PROMOTE IT ALREADY GM!!!!!)
VUE (shed pounds; otherwise, winner)
Sky

BUICK:
Enclave(don't rest on laurels; keep improving)
LaCrosse (NEW)
Lucerne (Redesign; slighly smaller, more MPG)

GMC:DELETE
We need GMC, why? Chevy can do everything that GMC can do.

HUMMER:DELETE

SAAB:
9-2 (small mini competitor)
9-3 (redesign smaller, sportier)
9-5) (new one needed yesterday)

CADILLAC:
BTS (wagon, conv.,coupe)
CTS (wagon, coupe, sedan)
FLAGSHIP (ok,GM, we need this one already!)
Escalade (gorgeous, but switch to Lamda platform)
SRX (NEW)
XLR (HALO ONLY; smaller & lighter platform, more MPG)

"G6 (smaller, RWD; improve interior quality)"

Now THAT would be interesting. Never thought about it but Pontiac could truly be a sporty car company for the masses if all of its products were RWD.

Actually, GMC is very successful. I agree that anything GMC can do, Chevy can also do, but why get rid of something that sells well?

S4CabrioFoxone,

A RWD G6 would essentially be based on a solstice (minus some of the expensive body panels, etc). It would be awesome to have, unfortunately I don't personally think anyone would buy a G6 RWD/AWD performance sedan. Even me, an all-out GM'er can't really think of the G6 as anything but a pretty damn good everyday (FWD) car. I'd like to be proven wrong however.

Kind of refreshing to see positive comments for once rahter than all the GM bashing There is enough sadness right now . A little sarcasim now and then but the visious commets as of late are better kept as a thought

GM actually has a lot of cars worth saving. The do get some of the blame but, they have always had good fuel efficient cars but, we have not been interested.

GM, FORD and Chrysler need to spend some money to premote there efficient vehicles. GM has a good comercial out now promoting their cars.

Anyway here is my list.

CHEVY:
Cruz
Malibu
Impala
Silverado(We will always have a need for big trucks just, make them more fuel efficient)
Traverse (needs to be more fuel efficient)
Suburban
Corvette (Perfect sports car. GM needs to work on interior. It still looks inexpensive compaired to competition)

PONTIAC:
G6
Solstice(Change the convertable top design)

SATURN:(The group is on the right track)
Aura
Astra
VUE (Great SUV we own one. It is too heavy though)
Sky (Improve TOP operation)

BUICK:

LaCrosse (These cars are the same as other vehicles but, they should be kept as upmarked versions of the Chevy cars that they match)
Lucerne

SAAB: There vehicles are great. Just get rid of the SUV (a rebadged Trail Blazer) And the 9-2 a rebadged Subaru)

CADILLAC:(The need to match luxury German brands in their lineup. That actually looks like what they are doing now. Keep it up!)
BTS
CTS
STS
SRX (The new SRX will match the midsize competition like the Lexus RX 350. That will be perfect.)

Cadillac needs a big luxury sedan beyond the STS to compete with the S class, 7 Series and A8. Cadillac makes some great cars, with a little improvement in interior quality they would be on par or better that the competition. They already match or surpass them in performance.

Finaly they need a ultra performace car. The Corvette ZR1 is great but, GM needs to sell a Hyperperformance car to compete with AMG, R, S and RS Audis, Aston Martin and Ferrari. The have the capability it would really help them longterm.

Hybrids still seem like a fad to me. They will not be a longterm solution. GM already has several Hybrids out but, they do not promote them. For now they should premote them and remind everyone that they have been building them for years now.

FIRST THINGS FIRST. IM A BIG FAN OF GM. THEY REALLY HAVE IMPROVED THEIR IMAGE ALL AROUND AND HOPE THEY ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE. WITH THAT SAID TO HELP GM THE NEED TO GET RID OF SATURN SABB AND GMC. EVERYONE SAYS GET RID OF HUMMER BUT WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IS INCORPORATE THEM IN CHEVY BUT SCALE DOWN PRODUCTION. WITH PONTIAC SO THE SAME OR SCALE PRODUCTION DOWN AND REMOVE THE RE-BADGES IN THE MAKE OR BLEED THEM INTO CHEVY AS WELL. CHEVY SEEMS TO BE DOING THE RIGHT THING ESPICIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO COMBATING ITS COMPETITION IN THE FUTURE. BUT CHEVY DOES NEED TO IMPROVE THE IMPALA TO MAKE IT A MORE OF A TRUE COMPETITOR WITH THE AVALON AND MAXIMA. BUICK SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME AS MODELS THAT ARE NOT RE-BADGED. IM HOPING WHATEVER HAPPENEDS THAT GM IS ABLE TO SURRIVE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE GREAT TRUCKS AND CARS.

Let's start with the realization that some significant changes will be required to have a long-term sustainable company that is profitable and can employ as many US citizens as possible.

Some areas of opportunity for restructuring include:

- Consolidate the brands. It makes sense to have one premium brand (Cadillac), one mainstream brand (Chevrolet or Pontiac), one economy brand (Saturn), and one truck brand (GMC).

- For each narrow market segment that multiple GM divisions sell competing vehicles into, select one vehicle to target that segment and eliminate the others. I understand that the topic of this thread is "which cars should GM eliminate", but it is difficult for me to worry about that level of detail until it is apparent that GM has developed a viable strategy for survival. Decisions regarding the fate of specific models, brands, factories, dealerships, etc. will be easier to make once an overall strategy is in place to guide the necessary turnaround of this ship.

- The UAW has gotten too big, too strong, too burdensome. The costs for benefits and retirement plans has become a significant financial drag. It doesn't look like the UAW is willing to make the type of concessions and changes that will be required to get this freighter back on course. If Filing for Bankruptcy would allow GM to terminate the UAW contracts and negotiate new terms, then Bankruptcy sounds like a critical part of the recovery plan.

- The American people need to be given significant tax incentives to buy a Big3 vehicle in 2009 and 2010. This will drive demand for Big3 products and will help protect as many jobs in the auto industry as possible.

- New R&D is required for alternative energy vehicles, and the Big3 will be tempted to reduce R&D spending to focus on near-term tactical activities. As such, it will be critical that government loan dollars have requirements tied to them regarding an investment in the areas required to ensure long term competitiveness for US automakers.

- AGLAT

GM will keep when the smoke clears:

Cadillac
Chevrolet
Buick
Saturn

I'm pretty sure that they'll kill Saturn before they get rid of Pontiac.

"Saturn is a separate legal entity within GM and therefore declares bankruptcy, but only after GM transfers all the stuff it needs to get rid of over to that entity. For example if GM cannot sell Hummer it gets transferred to Saturn and bankrupt. "
Holy crap! That's brilliant!!
Of course, Saturn would hold over 1/2 the current GM before going under...

The issue at hand isn't what models to keep/axe. GM has already settled that issue out, long before this whole financial mess the country was thrown into. (Some model should have gone a while ago though **Trailblazer**)

The issue isn't fuel economy, GM has amongst the most efficient vehicles in the market. Don't take my word for it, go to www.fueleconomy.gov and compare. Big3 haters nationwide just used a period of weakness to lie about fuel economy, thus further driving mindless americans away from good domestics b/c of bad perceptions.

The issue isn't "vehicles people want". This... well this argument is B.S. that was pushed along by all the people who hate the Big3 (ie Michael Moore). GM makes tons of very desirable vehicles, you can't blame GM for un-regulated oil speculation. GM makes trucks that not only people "want", but that people NEED.

The issue isn't unions, contrary to Senators from former slave states, the unions/retirees have already worked out a deal that would put them in line with all other transplant automakers by 2010. The republicans in the Senate just made it an issue b/c organized labor is a massive democrat voting block, pure political B.S. getting in the way of national economic security.

The issue IS financial.... Sen. Corker was right in trying to get GM's debt to 1/3 of what it is. GM's debt is obviously a giant hurdle to overcome. However, GM needs cash NOW. All of the infighting and politics can happen later.

And although I've been sny towards the republicans, I have to thank Pres. Bush & the other republicans for standing strong against the California eco-nuts and opposing any more fuel economy or emissions regulations. The ability for each state to write its own emissions/economy laws is opposed by EVERY automaker. It would make cars un-profitable to sell, way too expensive to buy, and would add billions to the development and calibration process of each vehicle. You can't have un-realistic, non-technical, whimsidaisical environmentalists writing laws. (Hey Im an environmentalist myself, but a logical one. Autos are not the main battle to be fighting contrary to popular belief)

Plain & Simple -
1) Pres. Buch gives TARP money to GM on condition that Sen. Corker's debt restructuring happens now (hell, it was already agreed to). This will MASSIVELY help.

2) No more wanton oil speculation. Cut Wall St. Criminals out of the picture and return to REAL supply & demand. Strong arm Saudi arabia and other producers from a national level into REAL future contracts (guarantee a price & Volume 1 year at a time).

3) TAX GASOLINE to about $2.70/USgallon!! This is a REAL incentive for consumers to make good choices about what they drive. The ups & downs of energy pricing make Detroit's (and Toyota's) business models junk, and it de-stabilizes the world. Inudstry can't re-tool and re-design overnight b/c of some criminals on wall st..

4) Bush & Obama issue declaration about con

Almost no one will buy gas for recreational use if they knew about $1 of each gallon they bought went to the govt. It would be just work, school, grocery and appointments and thats about it.

No one would care about where the money is going. Like anyone cared when the money went to OPEC this past summer? Give me a break, people don't care where the money is going, gas is gas. With Regular unleaded from $2.70-$3.00, recreational vehicle owners could afford to run their SL550's & M6's, families could afford to fill-up their Town'n'Country's, workers could fuel their Silverados/F150s/Rams and the rest of us would be enticed to drive efficient everyday vehicles.

My daily driver will always be as efficient as possible. Next Car = Chevy Cruze. (lord knows I won't be able to get my hands on a volt...damnit)

just depends on what market you are in. If you are in the entry level luxury/performance, then the CTS is an incredible choice.

Midsize everyday car market.... Malibu/Aura/G6 is the way to go.

what the hell!!!

Goodbye engineering, hello cadillac exporting/importing

I'd get rid of certain brands like Buick, Saturn, GMC, and Pontiac and then just concentrate on Chevrolet, and Cadillac. I would move the G8 over to a chevy since its the only decent car at Pontiac and it wouldn't be hard to rename it a Chevy. GMC's are just clones of Chevies although maybe make a denali line for Chevrolet.

Keep Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and Saturn.
Chevrolet
1. Cruze
2. Malibu
3. Impala (former G8)
4. Camaro, can't believe you all forgot this one!!!
5. Traverse
6. Orlando, for family folks that can't swing 30k
7. Silverado
8. Suburban
9. Corvette

Cadillac
1. BTS, I know you will scream, but based on Cruze
2. CTS, sedan, coupe, wagon!!!
3. STS replacement, has to have a V8!!! and be bigger
4. XLR, keeps corvette viable
5. SRX, on CTS, STS mechanicals, smaller and sportier

Buick, you have to keep this name just for the china sales
1. Enclave
2. Lucerne, onto CTS platform, for the old folks
3. Riviera sports coupe, CTS platrom again
4. Sky, name still works, just change the badge.
5. One of the other products that the can continue to sell in China.

Just about all of these are built in state of the art factories that can easily handle multi model production.

All Chevys
All GMCs
Cadillac
1.CTS
2.CTS-V
3.All Escalade Models

I would save the one and only HUMMER H1..........






because it is more fuel effiecient then the toyota prius

H1 - about 4000kg (no armor), 11-12mpg
Prius - 1320kg, 48mpg

So the H1 is 3x the weight, much bigger, but gets 4x less mileage....

Call it a tradeoff. Military should have replaced the 6.5L with a brand new 6.6L duramax (no DPF). Gets 2-3x the mileage, massive gains in torque & HP, and in effect, saves lives.

sorry for mixing mpg with Kg's.

12mpg = 19.6L / 100KM
48mpg = 4.9L / 100KM

geo

Keep Cadillac and Chevrolet. That's it.

Simplify: Two nameplates - Regular and Premium.

So, Chevy and Cadillac. The top performers from other brands can be slotted in under their umbrella pending long term viability and realistic market distinction. From there, build a platform exchange strategy. I.e.: 3 engines, 2 drivetrains, and everything else is open for interpretation.

Sounds simple.

Source: Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan/Infiniti

It all went to Hell after they discontinued the Aztek. Bring that back, chrome it up to make a Caddy version, drop everything else, and I'm sure they'll be fine.

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