New Nissan 370 Beats 135 In Comparo. USELESS Comparison?

New Nissan 370 Beats 135 In Comparo. USELESS Comparison?
Our friend Chris over at Edmunds just did a comparo of the new 370z against the 135i and picked the Nissan as the winner over the BMW.

Here is his final analysis::

"Thinking of the Z-car as a sports car is one thing, but we can honestly say that there's not another sport coupe that can touch the new Z. Dare to compare."

No question in my mind the new Nissan 370z is big improvement over the model it replaces (I REALLY like it!), but is a 'Z' shopper really comparing it against a 135i in their buying research?

I highly doubt it.

I personally love the new Z but I think the two buyers that shop these cars are like comparing guys who will pay whatever it takes to get the Bell & Ross, Rolex or Panerai, to the guy that spends the whole lunch hour showing you the features of his Citizen ECO-Drive watch.

And 3 years down the road is the 'Z' going to be within 15k of resale value to the 1?

By the way, before you blast me, I own one of all of those brands and I love them all, including the Citizen.

But the Citizen is virtually worthless if I had to resell it.

But the Bell & Ross, Rolex or Panerai's will bring the money, even in bad times.

In the end, I love reading these hypothetical comparo's and we love writing them ourselves and seeing the comments, but these cars will probably NEVER be cross-shopped.

Two different customers in our opinions.

Definitely, a USELESS comparison, but we love it all the same!

How do you feel?

Are these customers the same and do they cross shop these two models against each other or are these two buyers as different as Palin vs. Biden?

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ghosthunterghosthunter - 12/15/2008 4:09:06 AM
+38 Boost
same performance, less price, isn't this is what a good business decision is all about?

sorry, but not everyone needs a car to show off or to prove themselves to others (whatever that is, manhood?) i will use the 15k do something else that is more meaningful, like travel.




350zdon17350zdon17 - 12/15/2008 10:08:48 AM
+17 Boost
his comment about 3 years down the road the z will be worth 15k...who cares most people lease so why would you care, if you had a better car to drive in those 3 years...BMW fans hate to see there cars beat by less expensive ones...GO NISSAN


dlindlin - 12/15/2008 11:26:24 AM
+6 Boost
Exactly 350zdon17. Somehow 001 just really dig the little fat 135. He's got something for that. For me BMW bottoms at 3 series. For good reason 1 series is maybe created for those european, not for american(for what?) For bad reason.... you guess.

I also cross shop Z and 335, so why not a 135? People like me do exist and I don't want something that's neither practical, nor sexy. If you haven't had a bimmer and got to have it, then get another 5K and BE A MAN!


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/15/2008 12:53:48 PM
-3 Boost
If all you care about is price and performance then of course this is the better decision.


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/16/2008 9:06:34 AM
0 Boost
LMFAO!...Welcome to DEBOOSTING HELL! I've never seen so many demerits in one week. HAAA!! It would actually mean something if we all had respect for one another...but since we don't Lets have a deboosting party...Let's see how low we can go!...the person with the lowest score wins!!!


Agent004Agent004 - 12/16/2008 11:59:57 AM
+1 Boost
"his comment about 3 years down the road the z will be worth 15k...who cares most people lease so why would you care"
It's important because lease payments are based off the depreciation of the car. The less the car depreciates, the less you have to pay.

Did I miss any mention of fuel economy between the two cars? Owning an Infiniti FX35 I can say it is quite possibly the least fuel efficient SUV out there and easily the least fuel efficient car I've owned.


Agent004Agent004 - 12/16/2008 12:00:05 PM
+1 Boost
"his comment about 3 years down the road the z will be worth 15k...who cares most people lease so why would you care"
It's important because lease payments are based off the depreciation of the car. The less the car depreciates, the less you have to pay.

Did I miss any mention of fuel economy between the two cars? Owning an Infiniti FX35 I can say it is quite possibly the least fuel efficient SUV out there and easily the least fuel efficient car I've owned.


AmericaAmerica - 12/16/2008 2:23:31 PM
0 Boost
You can easily get gas mileage in the mid 30's in the 135i on the highway. It's performance on paper is virtually identical to the very course, loud, and rough 370Z AND the BMW has seats real back seats and a rear trunk. In addition to being more pleasurable to drive while delivering better fuel mileage, the BMW is infinitely more safe. The Bimmer is clearly a better value unless you like to be punished daily.

"...VQ-Series V6 drones a bit, and it gets pretty tiresome with time. Speaking of tiresome, the same goes for the roar generated by the Z's huge Bridgestones, emphasis on stones."

Nissan makes cars to market them and doesn't care about what the driver has to experience afterward - that's the difference.




AmericaAmerica - 12/16/2008 2:28:40 PM
0 Boost
And, how about Nissan's blatant copying of the BMW Z4's logo side marker light?

I'll take the multiple International Engine of the Year winner and Autospies Car of the Year - the 135i.




dlindlin - 12/16/2008 3:24:16 PM
+1 Boost
I think you are blind. Where's the 'real back seats'? For whom? Midget?

I agree that Bimmer will get better MPG, but I'll bet you cannot get 35MPG cruising 70 mph on highway from 135. My 325 cannot do that so how can a turboed one?


AdHominemAdHominem - 12/16/2008 4:59:38 PM
+2 Boost
My 335i coupe 6 speed manual just got 32.2 MPG on a 3 hour road trip and I have a photo of the BC to prove it. There is a reason this engine wins so many awards!!!



TopGearTopGear - 12/15/2008 6:56:42 AM
+10 Boost
This is hilarious. If 135 beat 370, it would have been useful comparison. Go BMW fanbois.


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 12/15/2008 12:24:24 PM
+5 Boost
Seats 4 if 2 of them have no legs.


Agent001Agent001 - 12/15/2008 10:53:42 AM
-13 Boost
Not uselesss because it won.

I just don't think it's the same buyer looking at these cars so what difference does it make if it won.

Great, but does the customer care?

001


AudiA6DrvrAudiA6Drvr - 12/15/2008 12:01:00 PM
-5 Boost
this should be compared to:
Mazda RX8
Honda S2000
Ford Mustang (Maybe)

These are the cars that enthusiasts usually compare themselves to.


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/15/2008 12:58:07 PM
+8 Boost
OMG!!! THE Z IS CHEAPER AND IT GOES AROUND THE SKIDPAD WITH .07 MORE G'S THAN A 135.....THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ALL MY LIFE!


BlakuraTLSBlakuraTLS - 12/15/2008 8:11:08 AM
+16 Boost
Congrats to Nissan for fixing what was wrong with the 350Z (too fat!) The 135i is overpriced and looks like a giant bug. I think BMW was a little cocky witht he pricing on this one.


AudiA6DrvrAudiA6Drvr - 12/15/2008 12:05:05 PM
+1 Boost
I'll just say this ahead of time but when i become CEO of BMW, my first order of business will be to stop producing the 1-series.


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/15/2008 1:05:57 PM
-3 Boost
Other than the fact that it cost more to build a car in Germany...what else makes the BMW so much more overpriced?


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/15/2008 6:09:05 PM
+2 Boost
"I'll just say this ahead of time but when i become CEO of BMW, my first order of business will be to stop producing the 1-series."

Now why is that? If I were CEO of BMW I would make it a bit lighter and a bit less expensive, with there only being one US engine choice: 130i with 260hp. This would make it more balanced and more fuel efficient without losing anything in straight line speed to the heavier 135i. I would also make it more proportionate--the hood and rear deck are too short, while the mid-section is too fat.


BlakuraTLSBlakuraTLS - 12/15/2008 8:12:31 AM
+14 Boost
Oh yeah, why is there always an excuse when a BMW loses in a comparo? Journalists and magazines' credibility go into question; anything except the fact that the BMW lost?


Agent00JAgent00J - 12/15/2008 8:38:13 AM
-14 Boost
Don't miss the point of what 001 is saying, it has nothing to do with which car one, it is the point that the 2 cars in almost all cases WOULDN'T be cross shopped.

This is not a BMW losing issue, MT ran an article last year comparing the 135i to a Mitsubishi Evo, the 135i won that test, but who cares. Aside from the almost $15k price difference in models (and equipment) tested, most buyers don't cross shop those cars.

-00J


222max222max - 12/15/2008 9:02:58 AM
+11 Boost
And the point of the Edmunds comparison was to test the capability of the two cars. Not their brand caché. It was a performance, design, engineering comparison.

So which is it now? BMW: "the ultimate driving machine" or BMW: "the ultimate fashion accessory"?


golfer38golfer38 - 12/15/2008 10:19:37 AM
+7 Boost
00J, "don't miss the point of what 001 is saying...", I didn't. He's crying the blues because his beloved BMW lost another comparison test.


Agent001Agent001 - 12/15/2008 12:31:15 PM
-13 Boost
Not at all. I LOVE the new 370z and think it's great that there is so much choice in the marketplace.

But I do think my watch customer analogy is valid here.

001


xlr8xlr8 - 12/15/2008 9:04:04 AM
+5 Boost
lol this article is hilarious...my father who owns 3 toyotas by the way is a big watch nut. He owns a rolex gmt coke bezel, a panerai gmt, a dozen omegas and tags, and breguet. Not everyone shares your opinions agent001...this site lives in a fantasy land.


Agent001Agent001 - 12/15/2008 11:58:21 AM
-9 Boost
But your Dad is an exception to the rule.

Most people who appreciate and own those watch brands CARE about the brand message and heritage and will pay more to own it.

My Citizen ECO-drive watch keeps better time than my fine watches but in my mind it's a throw away appliance.

If I lost it it wouldn't even bother me because it has NO soul.

001


BremboBrembo - 12/15/2008 1:03:36 PM
+5 Boost
When was the last time your car contemplated the meaning of life and what happen when it dies?!

Come on now! What does "soul" have to do with a car? The driver has soul.


xlr8xlr8 - 12/15/2008 9:05:22 AM
+6 Boost
oh and I would cross shop these two cars...they are in the same price range and performance screw badge whores.


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/15/2008 1:02:23 PM
-2 Boost
So what exactly do you look for when you cross shop?


0to600to60 - 12/15/2008 11:53:58 AM
+11 Boost
If I could throw 2 shoes at Chuck and Turbo I would!!! Chuck, I love Infiniti all day everyday, but you make me hate the fact that I do. You are as bad as the overly Lexus/BMW fans on this site. Turbo, just go away!


jpighettijpighetti - 12/15/2008 11:58:29 AM
-6 Boost
Chuck, seriously. Here's some recommended reading on your beloved G37

Automobile Magazine January 09 issue - Four Seasons Fleet Updates - Infiniti G37
21,958 miles - More complaints about the G37's clunky manual transmission and rough engine. "The G37 just doesn't seem as well thought out as its German competitors", pens DeMatio. "It's as if the hardware is all there , but it's not tuned as well. There's a mechanical coarseness that lies just beneath the surface of the engine sound, the steering feel, and the chassis responses. This car is no ballet dancer."

You fail.


0to600to60 - 12/15/2008 1:45:29 PM
-7 Boost
The BMW inline 6 is still better.


Agent63Agent63 - 12/15/2008 3:58:49 PM
+2 Boost
Wow a passionate Infiniti fan, hard to believe. Passionate Nissan fan because of the GT-R I completely understand. Even a Nissan fan can give the constant VQ this and that a break every now and then. Even a Nissan fan can admit other cars can be better in terms of luxury because it's no where near Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Jaguar, and Lexus in quality, brand image, and prestige.

Infiniti is just a Nissan anywhere else in the world. Just admit it, you know nothing about Nissan's but is just a bandwagoner because Mommy and Daddy bought you a G37 LOL.


BlakuraTLSBlakuraTLS - 12/15/2008 9:51:08 AM
+3 Boost
Xlr8, I agreed, I could buy the 135 or the 370Z, I'm not in that market, but I would more than likely buy the nissan and spend the extra money on somehthing that means something to me, not waste it on a car that says I have money come rob me, or I can still spend frivolously while everyone else deals with the recession.


AmazonPrinceIS350AmazonPrinceIS350 - 12/15/2008 9:57:47 AM
+1 Boost
Nissan give us some stock 19" deep dish staggered wheels with a nice design and finish and the 370z would be set :)


Yonder7Yonder7 - 12/15/2008 10:16:09 AM
+4 Boost
It depends on the way you think. I do not care about Brand, Performance is my first value and in that case I do not want to be in the car that will be seeing the dust of the one in front. If I am looking for the brand, then for sure I´ll buy a SLK350 cause the new engine will have 306 HP and it have more prestige. But again, if the Benz fall behind the 370Z I won´t buy it. At the end, the Nissan have almost the same warranty.


S30GTRS30GTR - 12/15/2008 11:12:00 AM
+6 Boost
ha! first thing that came to mind when i read the post was 001 crying. i knew you were all about the bmw bagde but you will not admit it. that said i would go with the 370z for its better performance. after all i'm a performance car fan, not a badge whore.


SpeedoholicSpeedoholic - 12/15/2008 12:15:08 PM
-11 Boost
Sell the 370Z and 135i after 3 years of use ...
Which one will have more value? I'll go for the 135i anytime. And it's not all about performance, there's quality and equipments you forgot about.


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/15/2008 1:10:36 PM
-7 Boost
It's sensless to try and convince people who have been mindwashed into believing that the only thing that matters is performance and price! Which is why TIMEX watches and the sort are so popular!


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 12/15/2008 12:15:41 PM
-6 Boost
The Z car is very impressive to me it makes much more sense than the G37 because it nails its purpose as a sports car extremely well, while the G37seems to be lost in transition from sports car to luxury coupe. Either of these cars would be a good choice, while the 1 series by no means a sports car, but more a high powered luxury sports coupe with its as tested price being only 2,000 more than the Z for 2 extra seats, among other things, it would appear that the 135i makes more sense, especially when comparing the G37 and the 135i at that price point. Either way 2 different cars for, 2 different audiences all together, but i didnt think the comparison was pointless, kinda gives you in my opinion 2 best options/interpretations for sport coupes in that price range


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 12/15/2008 6:19:17 PM
0 Boost
i always love these kind of post, because if you have BMW, or anything else in your name or dont completely trash BMW on these type of post your goign to get deboosted, lmao, its sad, but you have idiotic comments about BMW that dont even make sense that get boosted.....I didnt trash the car, but the point never left that the 1 series is a great car, simply putting a more powerful engine in BMW's economy car has addedup to a car that blurs segment lines, and is in its own niche as a value to performance and luxury formula its hard to beat. I said the Z was a good car I guess me saying how good it was, just didnt cut it. Nevertheless the 135i is an all rounder, luxury, performance with space even with its small size and to me a car that can run with the best of them while still being as good in other areas as the 135i i say awesome car


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 12/15/2008 6:20:59 PM
0 Boost
and with all the work that went into the Z, to topple the Cayman, the 1 series was never destined to be BMW's sports car, simply a faster version of its entry car that has been around for years


klossfamklossfam - 12/15/2008 12:26:14 PM
+3 Boost
Useless comparison in this sense:

370Z = guy car
135i = chic car

and rear seat or no rear seat means nothing...you can use a 1-Series rear seat over the age of 3...

Plus the 135 looks like a cute little pot-bellied pig...and the Z is badass...

I guess it was a useless comparison...


klossfamklossfam - 12/15/2008 12:28:16 PM
+3 Boost
TYPO - meant "you CAN'T use a 1-Series rear seat over the age of 3..." Heck, or the rear seat of the 3-Series either...


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/15/2008 12:55:39 PM
-2 Boost
Refinement has no friends here at autospies...it's all about how fast can you go for the least amount of money!


BlakuraTLSBlakuraTLS - 12/15/2008 12:57:44 PM
0 Boost
Well put klossfam!


222max222max - 12/15/2008 1:15:22 PM
+3 Boost
BMWs are great cars but the 135 has absolutely NO appeal to me. Especially with cars like the 370 around. It's not pretty, and not really a hard score sports car.

The Nissan is just more pure as an expression of a sports car. Those who follow the Z (And yes, it does have a rich heritage of its own whether you want to recognize it or not) are looking for that kind of purity. For those that aren't there's always the 135.


PerformanceGuyPerformanceGuy - 12/15/2008 1:16:24 PM
+2 Boost
Very impressive and useful comparison. Awesome to see the 370Z take down the 1-series. This Z is shaping up to be an amazing car. Nissan/Infiniti seems to be on a role with their coupes these days!! Keep up the good work!! I can easily see these two cars being cross shopped and there is no doubt that I would take the Z, as it out performs and looks awesome!!


LexSucksLexSucks - 12/15/2008 2:22:42 PM
+1 Boost
Why don't you tell us what you really think


AmazonPrinceIS350AmazonPrinceIS350 - 12/15/2008 2:10:04 PM
-6 Boost
GroundChuckG37 my car is faster than yours :)


LexSucksLexSucks - 12/15/2008 2:25:37 PM
-12 Boost
I'd pick the 135 over the 370z any day of the week.


LexSucksLexSucks - 12/15/2008 2:57:14 PM
-5 Boost
Can you explain how does prefering a 135 over a 370z make me metrosexual?


BlakuraTLSBlakuraTLS - 12/15/2008 7:22:53 PM
+1 Boost
IS3, whats so luxurious about the 135i? Maybe you know something I'm not aware of.


Designer1Designer1 - 12/15/2008 3:12:29 PM
+2 Boost
I wouldn't compare the i135 to a Civic, as it is one of the ugliest cars ever made, and seriously I'm tired of this German car designs, the same car smaller or larger than the others.

I would take the Z370 over a TT, SLK, and the Z4. Now these are the ones to be compared against.


synxsynx - 12/15/2008 3:15:00 PM
-1 Boost
001, i'm confused. which car corresponds to the citizen eco-drive and which corresponds to the rolex? i think that i know, but i just want confirmation.

btw, the nissan looks great except for the headlights and tail-lights, which just look odd


Agent63Agent63 - 12/15/2008 3:43:15 PM
-3 Boost
370Z the better buy if you're not looking for luxury. At the same time the 135 isn't a turtle either so you get pros and cons from each. I'd say if you can afford both buy both!. I've driven the 135 and it's quite potent. And I assume the 370Z is as well!.

Tough choice. Bury all the hate towards BMW or Nissan and get both.


Agent63Agent63 - 12/15/2008 3:54:46 PM
-5 Boost
370Z the better buy if you're not looking for luxury. At the same time the 135 isn't a turtle either so you get pros and cons from each. I'd say if you can afford both buy both!. I've driven the 135 and it's quite potent. And I assume the 370Z is as well!.

Tough choice. Bury all the hate towards BMW or Nissan and get both.


LexuriousLexurious - 12/15/2008 11:45:59 PM
+2 Boost
lolz...kaner...he aint arrogant. thats an excuse for a person who cant afford a premium car. its gettin old now so move on with it. all those of u who cant afford something real expensive always blames people for arrogance but should blame yoself for not working harder in life. get education and find a real job. quit callin ppl arrogant or whatever LOL!!!!! it makes you look 100X cheap and 1000X envious


sectorsector - 12/15/2008 4:02:59 PM
+9 Boost
"3 years down the road is the 'Z' going to be within 15k of resale value to the 1"

Yeah right buddy, more like 1er will be worth 15k less in about that time when the TT in the N54 fails and you have to spend $10k or more to get the stealership to lift the engine to replace those POS turbos...

BMW = Blasphemous Motorized Wrecks


sectorsector - 12/15/2008 4:06:30 PM
+5 Boost
Haha, look at "TurboSpyder" goin' all crazy once again to defend his German marque... looks like Nissan not only spanked the 135i but also did more damage to Cayman S, which costs over $20k more! lol.


E36erE36er - 12/15/2008 5:40:44 PM
+1 Boost
Typical Turbospyder.


kut17kut17 - 12/15/2008 6:09:24 PM
-4 Boost
I nearly forgot about the 300ZX. That car is a classic. What happened to the Japanese entry sport cars? RX-7? Supra? 300ZX? All were great cars. In fact, I wouldn't mind owning any of those nowadays.

Anyway, back to the 370Z vs. the 135. I've never seen a 370Z nor have I driven one, so I really can't say which is better. Both seem like excellent cars, but not really ones you'd compare to each other. Even with the small and cramped back seat, the 135i is still technically a family car. The Z isn't. That's why I don't like this comparison: they're not really in the same league. It's like when everyone was comparing the Hyundai Genesis to Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW. But that's a different story.


kut17kut17 - 12/16/2008 1:09:13 AM
0 Boost
I don't understand what you're trying to say. I never said that these were facts.


kut17kut17 - 12/16/2008 1:17:16 AM
+1 Boost
Oh, I get what you're saying now. Hey, I've driven the Genesis. It is pure CRAP. I wouldn't pay $25,000 for it and the price was $42,000. Plus, I was saying that this comparison was useless because they're comparing two different classes of cars. On one side, you've got a small, luxury sport sedan. On the other, you've got an entry level sport car. And I used the Hyundai as an example because on one hand, you've got an amateur, sorry excuse for a luxury car and on the other hand, you've got cars that are globally known for luxury. Gee. People on AutoSpies are sensitive and whiny.


kut17kut17 - 12/16/2008 11:41:17 PM
+1 Boost
Ugh, yes. I did put it as a sedan. Sorry. BMW usually makes sedans, it's just habit.


mini22mini22 - 12/15/2008 7:05:54 PM
0 Boost
Of course the more real comparison should be with the new Z4 roadster but it will end up being more expensive then the 135I I presume. Thing is a reasonably loaded 135I will be pushing 40 grand still being about 5 grand more then a reasonably loaded premium Z. Further I don't buy this crap that you can't compare them. To sit in the back seat of the Bimmer you practicaly need to be a dwarf.Many people will shop them both. Clearly the Z has slightly better handling and less refinement. Overall it's the better bang for the buck. However for those who crave a BMW and need more space for their luggage and can afford the additional price the BMW is the good compromise. It offers 98% of what the Z has for slightly more room and refinement.Further it's probably more relaxing to drive and easier to see out of.However for those on the tighter budget and want sports car looks the Z looks unbeatable for the price(especially the base model with the track option.


kablaamkablaam - 12/16/2008 5:48:42 AM
-1 Boost
Ehm.... aren't we digging pretty deep to find a comparison here.

I thought Nissan created Infiniti to compete against BMW and other premium luxury brands ala Audi, Lexus, Acura, MB etc.

Why are we comparing price points between Nissan and BMW? Of course a Nissan is going to be cheaper than a BMW, Nissan's compete against Honda and Toyota.

I think the Christmas season has made everyone insane.


bluedartbluedart - 12/15/2008 10:08:47 PM
+4 Boost
OMG! the 135 just got raped


ucla95ucla95 - 12/15/2008 10:36:15 PM
+3 Boost
1) BR watches are so wannabe - go buy a plane.
2) I'm shopping between the two cars.


rumnycrumnyc - 12/16/2008 3:08:33 AM
+1 Boost
interesting--what r u leaning towards?


ucla95ucla95 - 12/15/2008 10:42:59 PM
-4 Boost
Two very important ways in which the 135 smokes the 370z.
1) You can pick it up in Germany and run it on the Nurburgring (really that's #1,2, and 3)
2) I've read a lot of negative comments on the NVH of the VQ engine over 4000 RPMs. Seems like it doesn't like being at the limit which is bad for a track car..


ucla95ucla95 - 12/16/2008 8:25:28 AM
+2 Boost
Well I like the idea of the Synchro-mesh tranny and I think Nissan's have had tighter handling than BMWs recently (BMW has gone a little soft except with the M's which I can't afford), so I'm leaning 370z but of course I need to drive one first, esp at the limit to test this engine vibration I keep reading about.


222max222max - 12/16/2008 9:31:17 AM
-1 Boost
Oh gee. I get to go all the way to German to buy my car and then drive it on the ring. Now life is complete.


bmwpowerf1bmwpowerf1 - 12/16/2008 12:44:10 AM
-2 Boost
350Z = rice car


bmwpowerf1bmwpowerf1 - 12/16/2008 12:44:46 AM
-1 Boost
sorry 370z = rice car


LexSucksLexSucks - 12/16/2008 11:46:24 AM
-3 Boost
Here try this; BMW as a much stronger brand than Nissan. BMW's are better cars than Nissan. Only a fool (or a blind fanboy) would prefer a Nissan over a BMW.


LexSucksLexSucks - 12/16/2008 1:44:50 PM
-2 Boost
That is so true. Nissan is a much better brand than BMW. Yeah right. LOL!!


kablaamkablaam - 12/16/2008 1:01:09 AM
+4 Boost
370z = Rear wheel drive sports Car
135i = small luxury car
Z4 is BMW"s rear wheel drive sports car and the 370z should be compared to the new Z4.

None-the-less.... the 370z is a wonderful addition to Nissan. I'd like to see the Z4 vs Z comparison test!!


PPowerPPower - 12/16/2008 10:50:43 AM
+1 Boost
Exactly kablaam. 370Z compares to Z4. Because of THIS, there is validity to 001's questioning of the comparison's importance. It is his utterly useless comparison to watches that is causing the deboosting.

However, I don't think the comparison entirely wrong. Until the new Z4 comes out, the 135 would be the logical choice to get the best performing 300hp engine. Each loaded up, you will have close to a $10k difference ($200/month payment difference) which would make a persona cross shop if they didn't have a need for part time rear seat use. That would be offset possibly by higher "sports car" insurance on the Z.


LexSucksLexSucks - 12/16/2008 11:39:55 AM
0 Boost
Isn't this the opinion of just one individual? And just because something is "more affordable" doesn't make it better over-all.

What I find here is that some people believe that the cars they can afford, are better than the cars that they cannot afford. Its a false pride thing and i see it here in droves. Pathetic!


volnedanvolnedan - 12/16/2008 11:49:12 AM
+2 Boost
Hmmm interesting comments on this forum. As a BMW and Nissan fan, I would have to say I choose the Z over the 1 series. To me, the 1 is just a reason for someone to have a BMW that can't afford the extra 5k for a 3 series.

Unfortunately, 90% of BMW customers do not care about the handling, perfomance, or "soul" of a BMW. Only ppl on this forum (including myself) would consider these aspects when cross shopping.

When I chose my G37 coupe over 335 coupe, it was mostly a compromise of price. Similarly equipped, I leased my G coupe for about $190 LESS per month than the 3. The speed and handling differences to me did not make it worth the huge price difference. No one ever sits in my back seat, and if you're buying a coupe thats a sacrifice you make.

In this comparo, I can see it the other way around. Maybe the performance of the Z does not outweigh the practicality/comfort/luxury of the 1 series.


IngenieurIngenieur - 12/16/2008 12:00:35 PM
+2 Boost
Would this comparison be more "useful"?

http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature/versus/Motive_Versus_Nissan_370Z_vs_Porsche_Cayman_S.shtml




PPowerPPower - 12/16/2008 3:45:42 PM
+1 Boost
Yes it would, but that is in line with a Z4 comparison. They could have compared the 370Z to a current Z4 M coupe which is a lot closer in price than a Cayman S.


ktu01ktu01 - 12/18/2008 2:13:03 AM
+1 Boost
Journalism on this site is crap. Goodbye.


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